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01:49.34 dssl Anyone fixed the 'make install' problem on OS X?
01:58.16 dssl Anyone fixed the 'make install' problem on OS X?
02:44.10 brlcad dssl: yes
02:45.13 brlcad dssl: there will be a new source download perhaps as early as this weekend, as well as a mac binary install available
02:45.29 dssl from the sf site?
02:48.00 dssl a binary will be great....
02:49.13 brlcad dssl: yes, it will be posted to the sf site
02:49.32 brlcad if you'd like immediate notification, feel free to subscribe to the brlcad-news mailing list
02:49.44 brlcad a notice will be posted once it's available
02:51.19 jano bork
02:52.39 brlcad heya
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02:57.52 dssl I get:
02:57.52 dssl Making install in include make[2]: Nothing to be done for `install-exec-am'. /opt/brlcad70/include/brlcad make[2]: /opt/brlcad70/include/brlcad: Command not found make[2]: *** [install-brlcadincludeHEADERS] Error 127 make[1]: *** [install-am] Error 2 make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
02:58.01 dssl during make install
02:58.08 dssl is there a simple fix?
02:59.01 brlcad have you checked out the sources from CVS or are you using the source tarball?
02:59.31 dssl I got the source from source forge (not cvs)....
03:00.30 brlcad how did you try to compile?
03:00.41 brlcad ./configure && make && make install, I assume?
03:01.16 dssl I followed the direction on the scitech list...
03:01.33 brlcad hrm
03:01.33 dssl with an ./autoconfig in there
03:01.39 brlcad ./autogen.sh you mean
03:01.47 dssl yea...
03:02.08 brlcad hrm. I suggest you try CVS then.. a few fixes are already in place
03:02.19 dssl okay...
03:02.24 brlcad cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.sf.net:/cvsroot/brlcad login
03:02.32 brlcad cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.sf.net:/cvsroot/brlcad co -P brlcad
03:02.53 brlcad if you already have a brlcad dir.. move it out of the way
03:05.50 dssl I'm assuming the rm db/*.g is no longer necessary
03:05.57 brlcad correct
03:09.35 dssl still need the autogen?
03:09.40 brlcad yes
03:13.16 dssl FYI
03:13.18 dssl [dssl:/tmp/brlcad] eric% ./autogen.sh head: 1: No such file or directory ./autogen.sh: line 72: [: -lt: unary operator expected ./autogen.sh: line 74: [: -lt: unary operator expected Found GNU Autoconf version . tail: 1: No such file or directory Automatically preparing build ... done The BRL-CAD build system is now prepared. To build here, run: ./configure make
03:14.34 brlcad that's okay
03:15.00 dssl I figured since it finished.
03:17.06 brlcad recent change caused that
03:17.17 brlcad trying to accommodate more platforms
03:21.23 dssl just started the build
03:23.40 brlcad there have been lots of recent changes back and forth so cvs isn't exactly reliable just yet -- but hopefully enough for you ;)
03:23.59 brlcad if not, post the error.. getting the mac build is usally really easy
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03:47.32 dssl compiled and installed fine this time!
03:49.01 dssl Summary: Abs dssl.mne.psu.edu 235448.68 121407.71 105780.34 85302.61 116894.03 127437.84 132045.20 Thu Jan 13 22:48:29 EST 2005 *vgr dssl.mne.psu.edu 1718.47 1810.43 1886.57 1598.62 1653.61 8.59 1446.04
03:49.16 brlcad excellent
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03:49.54 brlcad not a bad benchmark number too
03:50.40 brlcad dssl, if you want even better performance, make clean and then ./configure --enable-optimized && make again
03:50.57 jerwin 'm having difficulty running brlcad on a mac. Something about XInputExtension...
03:51.16 brlcad jerwin: xinputextension is a warning
03:52.23 jerwin yeah? well, it crashes when I select "ogl" mode
03:53.08 brlcad crashes?? you have a crash log?
03:53.45 jerwin checking...
03:54.09 dssl it's a 2ghz dp g5
03:54.18 dssl trying the optimized...
03:54.42 dssl unfortunately my xlc trial expired
03:54.45 brlcad dssl: the last number of the vgr line is the one to pay attention to really
03:55.28 brlcad it's an average summary multipler of how much faster you are than the base metric
04:02.50 jerwin when I run mged -n, it asks "attach (nu|X|ogl)[nu]? "
04:03.16 jerwin the ogl option will crash X11.app
04:04.12 jerwin the X option will not.
04:04.52 brlcad which X11 do you have?
04:04.58 brlcad version-wise
04:05.53 jerwin 1.0: XFree86 4.3.0
04:06.00 brlcad ahh
04:06.07 brlcad that's why
04:06.36 brlcad if i'm not mistaken, apple released an update some time ago, no?
04:07.39 jerwin not quite sure. It came with Panther.
04:10.16 brlcad hrm..
04:10.38 brlcad would you send me your crash log?
04:10.52 brlcad should be in Library/Logs/CrashReporter/mged.log
04:10.56 brlcad or something similar
04:14.03 learner i take it back.. 1.0 should be fine
04:14.09 learner so crash log would be good..
04:14.14 learner what's your video card too?
04:14.29 jerwin brlcad, your sourceforge account?
04:22.45 jerwin ok, I've sent it off.
04:23.09 jerwin BTW, brlcad, what's your relationship with brl?
04:38.24 dssl Summary: Abs dssl.mne.psu.edu 461783.23 252706.49 218983.86 179788.52 243547.31 249737.74 267757.85 Thu Jan 13 23:38:08 EST 2005 *vgr dssl.mne.psu.edu 3370.43 3768.36 3905.54 3369.35 3445.28 16.84 2979.30
04:38.42 dssl doubled!
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05:30.39 dad hey, all!
05:50.02 dad anyone around to answer a question?
06:05.55 noyb hi dad
06:07.31 noyb if you ask the question there's a better chance of getting it answered... ;)
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06:30.12 dad_ nyob: i combuned several primitives, each one will show in a raytrace, but the object doesn't show up in a raytrace
06:30.30 dad_ howcome?
06:31.18 dad_ i've tried all sorts of things...
06:38.05 dad_ never mind, i think i found it
06:40.57 dad_ nope
06:41.05 dad_ puzzeling...
06:46.28 dad_ i have 6 rpc's from the build pattern tool (cyllinder) u a cylinder - another cylinder (the hole in the middle of a sprocket). each rpc shows in a raytrace, each cyllinder shows in a raytrace, but when i draw the object, and raytrace it, the screen is blank (even with default shaders and such)
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06:55.52 learner dad_; paste the l of the region
06:59.46 dad_ l?
06:59.56 learner type "who" :)
07:00.09 dad_ ok
07:00.27 learner should see the name(s) of the objects displayed
07:00.28 dad_ sprocket2.s
07:00.40 learner just the one?
07:00.49 dad_ it's a comb
07:01.03 learner .s is conventionally used to mean a primitive "solid" .. not a combination/region
07:01.13 dad_ oops
07:01.17 learner regardless.. "l sprocket2.s"
07:01.45 dad_ mged> l sprocket2.s
07:01.45 dad_ sprocket2.s: --
07:01.45 dad_ <PROTECTED>
07:01.45 dad_ <PROTECTED>
07:01.45 dad_ <PROTECTED>
07:01.46 dad_ <PROTECTED>
07:01.48 dad_ <PROTECTED>
07:01.52 dad_ <PROTECTED>
07:01.53 dad_ <PROTECTED>
07:01.55 dad_ <PROTECTED>
07:02.06 learner ah, :)
07:02.14 dad_ ah?
07:02.15 learner you're intersecting all those s0's
07:02.34 dad_ ok
07:02.43 learner what is s34?
07:02.52 dad_ actually each intersects with s34
07:02.58 dad_ a cyllinder
07:03.33 learner actually only s0_1 is if I recall the stack rules correctly
07:03.46 learner so the rest of the intersections are with the result of that first intersection
07:03.49 learner leaving you with nothing
07:04.50 learner i even continue to get the rules backwards, so I could be mistaken -- but that would explain your situation
07:05.22 learner so s34 is a large cylinder
07:06.08 learner and the s0's are smaller rpcs and s35 is the hole in the middle..
07:06.39 dad_ yes, well larger than the DI of the other items placed in a circle
07:06.58 dad_ yes
07:07.01 learner can you post your .g somewhere?
07:07.11 dad_ i can try to
07:07.12 learner perhaps ftp it up to ftp.brlcad.org
07:07.42 dad_ i'd be glad to. do i have access?
07:09.02 dad_ in incomming?
07:09.05 learner yes
07:10.03 dad_ that would be test6.g
07:10.08 learner k
07:11.57 dad_ there's an s0 and a s0_7 that i haven't killed, and a few other trys at the same thing, but the idea is a 6 tooth sprocket with a hole in the middle of it
07:12.57 dad_ do i need to union each s0 with the s34?
07:13.12 learner from what you describe, yes
07:13.19 learner they're unions, not intersections
07:13.23 dad_ K
07:13.28 learner i'll know here in a sec ;)
07:13.49 dad_ i thought i tried that
07:38.41 noyb see ya...
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07:39.01 dad_ noyb: laterz...
07:39.05 learner dad_, ooh, pretty :)
07:39.09 dad_ have a nice nite
07:39.14 dad_ :)
07:39.27 dad_ did it work for you?
07:39.51 learner yeah.. so that should be one solid component with a hole in it, yes?
07:39.58 dad_ yes
07:40.14 learner yeah, that's not intersections then
07:40.23 learner you shouldn't have any intersections with that geometry
07:40.42 dad_ ok
07:41.07 dad_ all unions and a subtraction
07:41.46 dad_ is there a diference between the c command and the comb command?
07:41.48 learner right
07:42.06 learner there's a slight syntactic difference, but otherwise no
07:42.44 dad_ ok
07:43.55 dad_ off i go, to work on more of it... (a 'hub' and a threaded hole :) once i get this part to work...
07:50.42 learner pretty nifty really
07:50.49 learner what are you building?
07:58.54 dad_ i'm just building parts for now. a sprocket here, a gear there
07:59.25 dad_ but haven't had a whole lot of success - there's a prety steep learning curve :)
08:00.29 learner it is a lot to get into and learn
08:00.33 learner large command set
08:00.55 dad_ and raytracing sometimes locks brlcad (i suspect thete's something wrong with my drawing :)
08:01.59 dad_ actually, i'm not a cad drafter by trade, but have done drafting on a small scale
08:02.23 learner it "shouldn't" .. if you have a .g that does it consistently from a certain view, feel free to run "saveview whatever.rt" and post the whatever.rt and the .g to sf.net bug tracker
08:28.26 dad_ K
08:28.34 dad_ i got it working ...
08:28.46 learner sweet!
08:28.57 dad_ hade a 'hub' with the 2 cyllinders
08:29.06 dad_ then you the teeth
08:29.13 dad_ oops 'u'
08:29.27 dad_ damned auto complete
08:29.56 learner :)
08:30.14 dad_ noe for a screw hole...
08:30.52 learner mm.. threads on a screw is getting into rather serious geometry quickly
08:31.01 learner have you read volume III any?
08:32.11 dad_ oh, yes i know... vol III i haven't even read vol I - just the html that builds with brlcad
08:32.28 learner ahh
08:32.52 dad_ where do i find these vol's?
08:32.58 learner html is fine, albeit older and not as thought out as the volumes
08:33.06 learner http://brlcad.org/
08:33.14 dad_ K
08:33.18 learner listed right there for now
08:33.28 dad_ will go there, read learn, apply, repete
08:33.49 learner the first link is the pieces of volume I that were relevant post-open-sourcing
08:34.13 learner vol II through IV are there in their entirety, though
08:34.37 dad_ oh! the big pdf's
08:35.26 learner vol II is the beginner's intro to mged.. slew of gruesome (albeit simple) tutorials
08:35.48 learner that do what they can to prepare you for the semblance of real csg modeling in volumes II and iV
08:35.52 learner er, III
08:36.20 learner real as in really complex, that is too :)
08:36.27 dad_ i should read them...
08:37.34 dad_ o noticed the complexity _> opened some of the included .g files (the tank, helecopter, etc...)
08:38.06 learner :)
08:38.33 dad_ oh, that's not too bad - 45 minuites for the good stuff
08:38.35 learner those are still relatively simple models
08:39.23 learner havoc.g is probably the most complicated included database
08:39.29 learner and it's "okay"
08:39.57 learner the walkie-talkie in volume III is a great model .. nice detail
08:40.16 learner nice and complicated with articulations even
08:40.44 dad_ who made all those?
08:40.57 learner various modelers
08:41.14 dad_ ok
08:41.18 learner the ones in db/ are a wide set of people over the years
08:42.14 learner there are a couple people that are pretty much the expert modelers that get involved in the more "real" geometries
08:43.12 learner I can get you in touch with one of them if there's a modeling question I can't answer
08:51.45 dad_ k, i'll muddle thru some of the stuff for now, and read/learn/repete
09:02.07 learner maybe you'll become our first open source brl-cad csg expert ;)
09:03.51 learner by the way, as you're going along .. if you care to keep track of things that are really confusing, buggy, frustrating, very unexpected, etc .. that's very useful for future interface planning
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09:07.25 smokin1 hi. anyone home?
09:11.27 dad_ learner - will do :)
09:11.36 learner =)
09:11.38 learner smokin1, nope :)
09:12.07 dad_ smokin1: i'm here as well, but i don't know much
09:12.26 smokin1 ok then, i'll just talk to the walls... usually works.
09:13.02 learner works for me
09:13.06 learner i like talking to myself too sometimes
09:13.18 smokin1 you two typing this on unix or did you actully get it to work on a win macnine?
09:13.38 learner i've run it on windows
09:13.45 learner but right now, I'm on os x
09:14.19 learner there are various windows efforts on-going right now -- the code is pretty much ported (at least for the major binaries)
09:14.53 smokin1 but i'm guessing you got to pice and hack it together to get it to compile?
09:15.55 learner actually there's an msdev studio project (not in cvs yet)
09:16.17 learner getting it to compile otherwise is painful (but one of the long-term routes)
09:16.31 learner e.g. msys/mingw/cygwin
09:17.03 learner i've heard of a couple people trying their hand at getting cygwin build to work
09:17.59 learner msdev studio files will likely get included down the road, but we'll need to pick up someone willing to keep them maintained
09:20.10 smokin1 probably not a task for someone whose c programming career consists of "hello world" ?
09:22.08 dad_ lol
09:23.31 smokin1 oh yeah, go ahead and laugh at the poor sap who hoped to magically find a binary lying around in the irc
09:25.04 dad_ heh! my machine is gasping for memory
09:25.44 dad_ @1/2 a gig, i maxed it out on the pattern tool! soo azmuths and 300 heights
09:26.14 dad_ oops s/soo/300
09:26.54 dad_ and then i ask to dosplay it in 'multi-plane view...
09:27.13 dad_ is that 900* 4?
09:27.55 dad_ ~900*4
09:27.56 ibot 3600
09:28.24 dad_ 3600 arb6's...
09:28.33 dad_ :)
09:28.58 smokin1 http://ftp.arl.mil/brlcad/downloads/Rel6.1DP/brlcad.exe
09:29.07 learner smokin1, heh, actually you might be able to get somewhere useful, but it's not simple to say the least
09:29.46 smokin1 anyone know about that address? it gives me a 404, but claims to contain a win 2000/NT binary
09:29.49 learner smokin1, yes, that's an early beta
09:29.59 smokin1 i'd take that
09:30.04 learner heh :)
09:30.04 smokin1 ain't pickey
09:30.09 learner i'm sure you would :)
09:30.25 learner I'll think about it
09:30.38 learner it's woefully bugged
09:31.08 learner I'd hate to see the same bug reports dozens of times over for things that were fixed almost two years ago
09:32.14 learner and it's missing a lot and is now quite out of date
09:32.47 learner if you can wait a couple weeks, there's a group tasked to solidify the windows port
09:33.29 learner course .. a couple of gov't weeks often are not merely a couple -- can't promise
09:34.13 learner almost as likely that someone will finish the msys port about the same time
09:39.30 smokin1 oh well, i guess i'll just wait.
09:40.15 smokin1 i'd like to get back into c, but i think i'll jump back in on a project with something less than 3/4 million lines of code.
09:40.27 learner you'll probably be may more interested in the other things this group is going for window regardless
09:40.56 learner porting a massive unix-based package to the windows environment is not probalby what you're used to
09:41.40 learner smokin1, don't let the size scare you off -- it's actually over 400 separate small projects really
09:42.12 learner most of those are really strait-forward to understand
09:42.59 learner the src/proc-db/ model generators, for example, are great computer graphics and programming exercises that are pretty darn easy to follow
09:43.22 learner easy to write a little bit of code that outputs a model procedurally
09:47.47 smokin1 are you one of the admins on the project?
09:48.15 learner yes
09:49.56 smokin1 ya don't say...
09:50.40 smokin1 i've seen that handle quite a bit on many a google search
09:50.55 learner heh
09:51.14 learner so you're looking for the answers to some of the same things I am? :)
09:51.41 smokin1 no, i'm looking for the answers to the stuff you already know ;)
09:53.25 learner heh, shame it doesn't feel like that most of the time :)
09:55.14 smokin1 i'm guessing you're military?
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11:02.28 dad_ nite. all!
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13:07.18 tjyang learner you here ?
14:02.43 learner yes although sleepy
14:12.56 tjyang new ETA on 7.0.3 realease ?
14:13.35 tjyang or 7.0.4 ?
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14:30.34 learner tjyang this weekend
14:30.40 learner 7.0.4
14:30.47 learner 7.0.3 is a CVS version
14:34.07 tjyang thanks, does 7.0.3 fix the compiling on solaris ?
14:40.00 learner there not commited yet
14:42.15 tjyang ok, I come back and check on Monday.
14:54.30 learner okie dokie
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20:15.40 stafa77 I am trying to compile BRL-CAD on Cygwin. I'm getting an error. Can anyone help me out?
20:31.09 a_b_normal http://www.apple.com/ipodshuffle/ <-- read the fine print, #2
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22:29.00 learner stafa77, what's the error, I can try to help
22:33.24 a_b_normal that's one major ping
22:33.28 a_b_normal :)
22:34.02 learner ;)
22:35.40 a_b_normal :(
22:36.12 learner ahh, i know that addy =)
22:54.19 starseeker learner: Any luck with the pro-engineer make files?
22:55.25 learner yeah, I think I have it fixed
22:59.24 starseeker cool :-)
22:59.30 starseeker is it in cvs?
22:59.39 learner not yet
22:59.46 learner later tonight hopefully
22:59.52 starseeker Cool. Thanks :-)
23:00.13 starseeker I dunno if I'll be able to test it this weekend (kinda busy) but ASAP I'll give it a whirl
23:00.19 starseeker what was it?
23:00.39 learner yeah.. this is a busy weekend :)
23:00.58 learner brl-cad pushed back bzflag's major release, which will likely happen this weekend
23:01.04 learner finally
23:01.07 starseeker :-)
23:01.25 starseeker yin and yang - productivity and anti-productivity ;-)
23:01.31 learner :)
23:04.09 starseeker Did it need some more $(DESTDIR) statements?
23:04.34 learner needed to be made non-deterministic via configure
23:04.41 learner so that destdir can be used
23:04.48 starseeker Ah. Harder :-)
23:05.00 learner just a slight reworking
23:05.16 starseeker Gentoo: finding make bugs no one else in the known universe cares about :-/
23:06.07 a_b_normal hahaha
23:06.59 starseeker I know of almost no other circumstance where this would matter - if the user installs it's not an issue, if it's a package it's already handled.
23:07.39 learner it's good to have it fixed, though
23:07.42 learner it was "wrong"
23:07.45 starseeker :-)
23:07.53 learner thanks for finding it
23:08.20 starseeker My pleasure :-). Just trying to add a great piece of software to gentoo
23:09.00 starseeker Heh - I wish I could have seen my face when I read that slashdot announcement
23:09.09 learner heh
23:09.49 starseeker It was one of the better places to announce, methinks
23:09.53 learner if you only knew what I had to go through to make it happen..
23:10.38 learner heck that announcement paragraph itself took almost two weeks to get approved
23:10.41 starseeker I can imagine. Bill Schelter had to do something similar, and Maxima is just a mathematics program. We have a label warning about export restrictions possibly applying he was asked to add
23:11.19 starseeker And Maxiam, AFAIK, hasn't been used to design tanks ;-)
23:12.12 starseeker You deserve some kind of award for making it happen
23:12.48 learner tanks are fun :)
23:13.19 starseeker Heh - you probably didn't see the response to my post about it in forums.gentoo.org?
23:13.36 learner I don't follow the gentoo forums
23:13.56 starseeker http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=141832&start=75
23:14.11 starseeker last couple posts on the page
23:15.31 starseeker Hmm - a new post. Does brl-cad work on 64 bit chips?
23:16.08 learner haha
23:16.20 starseeker thought you might ;-)
23:16.28 learner oh heck yes it does
23:16.44 starseeker Cool - someone's asking about it for 64 bit gentoo
23:16.51 starseeker too bad I can't test on that platform
23:18.06 learner yes, it would require testing to validate the 64-bitness, but brl-cad already runs and has been tested on 64-bit irix, aix, and irix's 64-bit linux
23:18.20 starseeker Nifty.
23:18.31 learner mm.. i'd love to get brl-cad going on the compile farm
23:18.47 learner we used to have internal compile farms running.. been a while
23:19.00 starseeker Hehe - if you become a debian package that's a lot of platforms right there
23:19.15 starseeker They had XFree86 running on more platforms than it was written for
23:21.18 learner debian's given me more headaches than any other platform
23:21.31 starseeker I can believe that too :-(
23:21.58 learner I believe woody is either misconfigured in regards to automake+libtool, or it's rather bugged
23:22.25 learner i've gotten a patch to review from a debian user that i'll check out before releas
23:22.42 learner brl-cad'
23:23.05 learner has always run on pretty much anything we could get our hands on..
23:23.33 learner officially, only a handful are "funded" for support
23:23.50 learner which are basically the ones needed internally
23:24.07 starseeker right - I was wondering if the Army actually needed so many platforms supported
23:24.11 learner getting it to run on the vax was tough -- cray too
23:24.50 learner those both predate me, though I've re-attempted to revive a vax build just a couple years ago
23:25.07 starseeker eeeeeeeeeeeekk Vax still lives?
23:25.34 learner we have a wide range of machines.. desktops/workstations.. supercomputers.. various flavors of unix
23:25.47 starseeker Sounds like a neat place to work
23:26.35 learner no, the vax was decommissioned several years ago, but the historic computing project has a complete software emulation that is the same
23:27.06 starseeker Cool.
23:27.21 starseeker Good way to learn about software that only survives as binaries
23:27.39 learner took the better part of a saturday, but I had the boot prom loaded, disks attached, and was installing bsd and brl-cad shortly thereafter
23:28.59 starseeker Wow.
23:30.12 starseeker Hmm, supper might be a good thing. Thanks learner! I'll let you know the results once the new pro-engineer stuff is tested on gentoo
23:30.27 learner okay :)
23:30.49 learner I'll let you have first dibs on testing 7.0.4 since working on gentoo is a priority
23:30.59 starseeker Thanks :-)
23:31.09 starseeker It's a priority?
23:31.49 learner yes, on my "must do" list
23:31.59 starseeker Hah! Take that Redhat! :-P
23:32.27 starseeker Or I guess it's Fedora Core now
23:32.33 learner i want to get it cleanly building on gentoo, debian, mac os x, rhlinux, freebsd, irix, and irix 64 this release
23:33.06 learner gentoo overtook redhat a long time ago (except in business)
23:33.26 learner perhaps even debian.. haven't seen the stats recently
23:33.44 learner debian maintainer is shooting the project in the head with this drawn out releases
23:33.58 starseeker The thing with gentoo is - because you build everything on the system, you have a VERY good development environment
23:34.06 starseeker Yes, Debian can be very annoying
23:34.31 learner then next release will probably activate the windows support .. or at least provide some test binaries
23:34.54 starseeker Heh - prepare for a whole new level of annoyance
23:35.14 starseeker Almost without exception, the most painful part of releasing for both Axiom and Maxima has been Windows
23:35.49 learner we've had windows betas for years now.. just no time to polish it up until recently
23:36.01 learner (funded time)
23:36.33 starseeker Well, that does help. But still... what a messed up environment. Especially if you want to support Win98-WinXP
23:36.35 learner and win* is so way low on my priority list to be on "my time" as most of this is
23:37.25 starseeker Yeah - all Windows gets you is users ;-P
23:37.54 starseeker Really - the Army didn't fund Windows development?
23:38.04 learner i'm quite comfortable only supporting xp for now -- let a windows dev step forward to pick up it's maintenance like you did to get brl-cad in gentoo
23:38.10 learner (which I still can't thank you enough)
23:38.37 starseeker My pleasure. There are several people who would like gentoo to become the "scientific linux" platform of choice
23:38.48 starseeker and we certainly can't be that without brl-cad ;-)
23:39.04 learner brl-cad's been a unix program nearly it's entire life -- the original architect was one of the bsd foundation architects
23:39.14 starseeker Wow.
23:39.30 a_b_normal the guy that invented ping, right? :(
23:39.37 learner yep
23:39.49 learner amazing man
23:39.55 a_b_normal yeah
23:40.36 starseeker Someday it would be interesting if Nova or somebody did an indepth series on the history of computer software
23:40.36 learner that's not even considering any classified work he may have worked on and made major impacts on
23:41.10 starseeker There's a rich human story behind the screen.
23:41.51 starseeker Or better yet, the history channel - they might actually take it seriously
23:43.31 starseeker Well, time to eat something besides valentines candy ;-)
23:43.36 starseeker later all!
23:43.42 learner cya

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