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dssl |
Anyone fixed the 'make install' problem on OS
X? |
01:58.16 |
dssl |
Anyone fixed the 'make install' problem on OS
X? |
02:44.10 |
brlcad |
dssl: yes |
02:45.13 |
brlcad |
dssl: there will be a new source download
perhaps as early as this weekend, as well as a mac binary install
available |
02:45.29 |
dssl |
from the sf site? |
02:48.00 |
dssl |
a binary will be great.... |
02:49.13 |
brlcad |
dssl: yes, it will be posted to the sf
site |
02:49.32 |
brlcad |
if you'd like immediate notification, feel
free to subscribe to the brlcad-news mailing list |
02:49.44 |
brlcad |
a notice will be posted once it's
available |
02:51.19 |
jano |
bork |
02:52.39 |
brlcad |
heya |
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02:57.52 |
dssl |
I get: |
02:57.52 |
dssl |
Making install in include make[2]: Nothing to
be done for `install-exec-am'. /opt/brlcad70/include/brlcad
make[2]: /opt/brlcad70/include/brlcad: Command not found make[2]:
*** [install-brlcadincludeHEADERS] Error 127 make[1]: ***
[install-am] Error 2 make: *** [install-recursive] Error
1 |
02:58.01 |
dssl |
during make install |
02:58.08 |
dssl |
is there a simple fix? |
02:59.01 |
brlcad |
have you checked out the sources from CVS or
are you using the source tarball? |
02:59.31 |
dssl |
I got the source from source forge (not
cvs).... |
03:00.30 |
brlcad |
how did you try to compile? |
03:00.41 |
brlcad |
./configure && make && make
install, I assume? |
03:01.16 |
dssl |
I followed the direction on the scitech
list... |
03:01.33 |
brlcad |
hrm |
03:01.33 |
dssl |
with an ./autoconfig in there |
03:01.39 |
brlcad |
./autogen.sh you mean |
03:01.47 |
dssl |
yea... |
03:02.08 |
brlcad |
hrm. I suggest you try CVS then.. a few fixes
are already in place |
03:02.19 |
dssl |
okay... |
03:02.24 |
brlcad |
cvs -d
:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sf.net:/cvsroot/brlcad login |
03:02.32 |
brlcad |
cvs -d
:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sf.net:/cvsroot/brlcad co -P
brlcad |
03:02.53 |
brlcad |
if you already have a brlcad dir.. move it out
of the way |
03:05.50 |
dssl |
I'm assuming the rm db/*.g is no longer
necessary |
03:05.57 |
brlcad |
correct |
03:09.35 |
dssl |
still need the autogen? |
03:09.40 |
brlcad |
yes |
03:13.16 |
dssl |
FYI |
03:13.18 |
dssl |
[dssl:/tmp/brlcad] eric% ./autogen.sh head: 1:
No such file or directory ./autogen.sh: line 72: [: -lt: unary
operator expected ./autogen.sh: line 74: [: -lt: unary operator
expected Found GNU Autoconf version . tail: 1: No such file or
directory Automatically preparing build ... done The BRL-CAD build
system is now prepared. To build here, run: ./configure
make |
03:14.34 |
brlcad |
that's okay |
03:15.00 |
dssl |
I figured since it finished. |
03:17.06 |
brlcad |
recent change caused that |
03:17.17 |
brlcad |
trying to accommodate more platforms |
03:21.23 |
dssl |
just started the build |
03:23.40 |
brlcad |
there have been lots of recent changes back
and forth so cvs isn't exactly reliable just yet -- but hopefully
enough for you ;) |
03:23.59 |
brlcad |
if not, post the error.. getting the mac build
is usally really easy |
03:36.19 |
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03:47.32 |
dssl |
compiled and installed fine this
time! |
03:49.01 |
dssl |
Summary: Abs dssl.mne.psu.edu
235448.68 121407.71 105780.34 85302.61 116894.03
127437.84 132045.20 Thu Jan 13 22:48:29 EST 2005
*vgr dssl.mne.psu.edu 1718.47 1810.43 1886.57 1598.62
1653.61 8.59 1446.04 |
03:49.16 |
brlcad |
excellent |
03:49.45 |
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03:49.54 |
brlcad |
not a bad benchmark number too |
03:50.40 |
brlcad |
dssl, if you want even better performance,
make clean and then ./configure --enable-optimized && make
again |
03:50.57 |
jerwin |
'm having difficulty running brlcad on a mac.
Something about XInputExtension... |
03:51.16 |
brlcad |
jerwin: xinputextension is a warning |
03:52.23 |
jerwin |
yeah? well, it crashes when I select "ogl"
mode |
03:53.08 |
brlcad |
crashes?? you have a crash log? |
03:53.45 |
jerwin |
checking... |
03:54.09 |
dssl |
it's a 2ghz dp g5 |
03:54.18 |
dssl |
trying the optimized... |
03:54.42 |
dssl |
unfortunately my xlc trial expired |
03:54.45 |
brlcad |
dssl: the last number of the vgr line is the
one to pay attention to really |
03:55.28 |
brlcad |
it's an average summary multipler of how much
faster you are than the base metric |
04:02.50 |
jerwin |
when I run mged -n, it asks "attach
(nu|X|ogl)[nu]? " |
04:03.16 |
jerwin |
the ogl option will crash X11.app |
04:04.12 |
jerwin |
the X option will not. |
04:04.52 |
brlcad |
which X11 do you have? |
04:04.58 |
brlcad |
version-wise |
04:05.53 |
jerwin |
1.0: XFree86 4.3.0 |
04:06.00 |
brlcad |
ahh |
04:06.07 |
brlcad |
that's why |
04:06.36 |
brlcad |
if i'm not mistaken, apple released an update
some time ago, no? |
04:07.39 |
jerwin |
not quite sure. It came with
Panther. |
04:10.16 |
brlcad |
hrm.. |
04:10.38 |
brlcad |
would you send me your crash log? |
04:10.52 |
brlcad |
should be in
Library/Logs/CrashReporter/mged.log |
04:10.56 |
brlcad |
or something similar |
04:14.03 |
learner |
i take it back.. 1.0 should be fine |
04:14.09 |
learner |
so crash log would be good.. |
04:14.14 |
learner |
what's your video card too? |
04:14.29 |
jerwin |
brlcad, your sourceforge account? |
04:22.45 |
jerwin |
ok, I've sent it off. |
04:23.09 |
jerwin |
BTW, brlcad, what's your relationship with
brl? |
04:38.24 |
dssl |
Summary: Abs dssl.mne.psu.edu
461783.23 252706.49 218983.86 179788.52
243547.31 249737.74 267757.85 Thu Jan 13 23:38:08
EST 2005 *vgr dssl.mne.psu.edu 3370.43 3768.36 3905.54
3369.35 3445.28 16.84 2979.30 |
04:38.42 |
dssl |
doubled! |
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dad |
hey, all! |
05:50.02 |
dad |
anyone around to answer a question? |
06:05.55 |
noyb |
hi dad |
06:07.31 |
noyb |
if you ask the question there's a better
chance of getting it answered... ;) |
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06:30.12 |
dad_ |
nyob: i combuned several primitives, each one
will show in a raytrace, but the object doesn't show up in a
raytrace |
06:30.30 |
dad_ |
howcome? |
06:31.18 |
dad_ |
i've tried all sorts of things... |
06:38.05 |
dad_ |
never mind, i think i found it |
06:40.57 |
dad_ |
nope |
06:41.05 |
dad_ |
puzzeling... |
06:46.28 |
dad_ |
i have 6 rpc's from the build pattern tool
(cyllinder) u a cylinder - another cylinder (the hole in the middle
of a sprocket). each rpc shows in a raytrace, each cyllinder shows
in a raytrace, but when i draw the object, and raytrace it, the
screen is blank (even with default shaders and such) |
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06:55.52 |
learner |
dad_; paste the l of the region |
06:59.46 |
dad_ |
l? |
06:59.56 |
learner |
type "who" :) |
07:00.09 |
dad_ |
ok |
07:00.27 |
learner |
should see the name(s) of the objects
displayed |
07:00.28 |
dad_ |
sprocket2.s |
07:00.40 |
learner |
just the one? |
07:00.49 |
dad_ |
it's a comb |
07:01.03 |
learner |
.s is conventionally used to mean a primitive
"solid" .. not a combination/region |
07:01.13 |
dad_ |
oops |
07:01.17 |
learner |
regardless.. "l sprocket2.s" |
07:01.45 |
dad_ |
mged> l sprocket2.s |
07:01.45 |
dad_ |
sprocket2.s: -- |
07:01.45 |
dad_ |
<PROTECTED> |
07:01.45 |
dad_ |
<PROTECTED> |
07:01.45 |
dad_ |
<PROTECTED> |
07:01.46 |
dad_ |
<PROTECTED> |
07:01.48 |
dad_ |
<PROTECTED> |
07:01.52 |
dad_ |
<PROTECTED> |
07:01.53 |
dad_ |
<PROTECTED> |
07:01.55 |
dad_ |
<PROTECTED> |
07:02.06 |
learner |
ah, :) |
07:02.14 |
dad_ |
ah? |
07:02.15 |
learner |
you're intersecting all those s0's |
07:02.34 |
dad_ |
ok |
07:02.43 |
learner |
what is s34? |
07:02.52 |
dad_ |
actually each intersects with s34 |
07:02.58 |
dad_ |
a cyllinder |
07:03.33 |
learner |
actually only s0_1 is if I recall the stack
rules correctly |
07:03.46 |
learner |
so the rest of the intersections are with the
result of that first intersection |
07:03.49 |
learner |
leaving you with nothing |
07:04.50 |
learner |
i even continue to get the rules backwards, so
I could be mistaken -- but that would explain your
situation |
07:05.22 |
learner |
so s34 is a large cylinder |
07:06.08 |
learner |
and the s0's are smaller rpcs and s35 is the
hole in the middle.. |
07:06.39 |
dad_ |
yes, well larger than the DI of the other
items placed in a circle |
07:06.58 |
dad_ |
yes |
07:07.01 |
learner |
can you post your .g somewhere? |
07:07.11 |
dad_ |
i can try to |
07:07.12 |
learner |
perhaps ftp it up to ftp.brlcad.org |
07:07.42 |
dad_ |
i'd be glad to. do i have access? |
07:09.02 |
dad_ |
in incomming? |
07:09.05 |
learner |
yes |
07:10.03 |
dad_ |
that would be test6.g |
07:10.08 |
learner |
k |
07:11.57 |
dad_ |
there's an s0 and a s0_7 that i haven't
killed, and a few other trys at the same thing, but the idea is a 6
tooth sprocket with a hole in the middle of it |
07:12.57 |
dad_ |
do i need to union each s0 with the
s34? |
07:13.12 |
learner |
from what you describe, yes |
07:13.19 |
learner |
they're unions, not intersections |
07:13.23 |
dad_ |
K |
07:13.28 |
learner |
i'll know here in a sec ;) |
07:13.49 |
dad_ |
i thought i tried that |
07:38.41 |
noyb |
see ya... |
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07:39.01 |
dad_ |
noyb: laterz... |
07:39.05 |
learner |
dad_, ooh, pretty :) |
07:39.09 |
dad_ |
have a nice nite |
07:39.14 |
dad_ |
:) |
07:39.27 |
dad_ |
did it work for you? |
07:39.51 |
learner |
yeah.. so that should be one solid component
with a hole in it, yes? |
07:39.58 |
dad_ |
yes |
07:40.14 |
learner |
yeah, that's not intersections then |
07:40.23 |
learner |
you shouldn't have any intersections with that
geometry |
07:40.42 |
dad_ |
ok |
07:41.07 |
dad_ |
all unions and a subtraction |
07:41.46 |
dad_ |
is there a diference between the c command and
the comb command? |
07:41.48 |
learner |
right |
07:42.06 |
learner |
there's a slight syntactic difference, but
otherwise no |
07:42.44 |
dad_ |
ok |
07:43.55 |
dad_ |
off i go, to work on more of it... (a 'hub'
and a threaded hole :) once i get this part to work... |
07:50.42 |
learner |
pretty nifty really |
07:50.49 |
learner |
what are you building? |
07:58.54 |
dad_ |
i'm just building parts for now. a sprocket
here, a gear there |
07:59.25 |
dad_ |
but haven't had a whole lot of success -
there's a prety steep learning curve :) |
08:00.29 |
learner |
it is a lot to get into and learn |
08:00.33 |
learner |
large command set |
08:00.55 |
dad_ |
and raytracing sometimes locks brlcad (i
suspect thete's something wrong with my drawing :) |
08:01.59 |
dad_ |
actually, i'm not a cad drafter by trade, but
have done drafting on a small scale |
08:02.23 |
learner |
it "shouldn't" .. if you have a .g that does
it consistently from a certain view, feel free to run "saveview
whatever.rt" and post the whatever.rt and the .g to sf.net bug
tracker |
08:28.26 |
dad_ |
K |
08:28.34 |
dad_ |
i got it working ... |
08:28.46 |
learner |
sweet! |
08:28.57 |
dad_ |
hade a 'hub' with the 2 cyllinders |
08:29.06 |
dad_ |
then you the teeth |
08:29.13 |
dad_ |
oops 'u' |
08:29.27 |
dad_ |
damned auto complete |
08:29.56 |
learner |
:) |
08:30.14 |
dad_ |
noe for a screw hole... |
08:30.52 |
learner |
mm.. threads on a screw is getting into rather
serious geometry quickly |
08:31.01 |
learner |
have you read volume III any? |
08:32.11 |
dad_ |
oh, yes i know... vol III i haven't even read
vol I - just the html that builds with brlcad |
08:32.28 |
learner |
ahh |
08:32.52 |
dad_ |
where do i find these vol's? |
08:32.58 |
learner |
html is fine, albeit older and not as thought
out as the volumes |
08:33.06 |
learner |
http://brlcad.org/ |
08:33.14 |
dad_ |
K |
08:33.18 |
learner |
listed right there for now |
08:33.28 |
dad_ |
will go there, read learn, apply,
repete |
08:33.49 |
learner |
the first link is the pieces of volume I that
were relevant post-open-sourcing |
08:34.13 |
learner |
vol II through IV are there in their entirety,
though |
08:34.37 |
dad_ |
oh! the big pdf's |
08:35.26 |
learner |
vol II is the beginner's intro to mged.. slew
of gruesome (albeit simple) tutorials |
08:35.48 |
learner |
that do what they can to prepare you for the
semblance of real csg modeling in volumes II and iV |
08:35.52 |
learner |
er, III |
08:36.20 |
learner |
real as in really complex, that is too
:) |
08:36.27 |
dad_ |
i should read them... |
08:37.34 |
dad_ |
o noticed the complexity _> opened some of
the included .g files (the tank, helecopter, etc...) |
08:38.06 |
learner |
:) |
08:38.33 |
dad_ |
oh, that's not too bad - 45 minuites for the
good stuff |
08:38.35 |
learner |
those are still relatively simple
models |
08:39.23 |
learner |
havoc.g is probably the most complicated
included database |
08:39.29 |
learner |
and it's "okay" |
08:39.57 |
learner |
the walkie-talkie in volume III is a great
model .. nice detail |
08:40.16 |
learner |
nice and complicated with articulations
even |
08:40.44 |
dad_ |
who made all those? |
08:40.57 |
learner |
various modelers |
08:41.14 |
dad_ |
ok |
08:41.18 |
learner |
the ones in db/ are a wide set of people over
the years |
08:42.14 |
learner |
there are a couple people that are pretty much
the expert modelers that get involved in the more "real"
geometries |
08:43.12 |
learner |
I can get you in touch with one of them if
there's a modeling question I can't answer |
08:51.45 |
dad_ |
k, i'll muddle thru some of the stuff for now,
and read/learn/repete |
09:02.07 |
learner |
maybe you'll become our first open source
brl-cad csg expert ;) |
09:03.51 |
learner |
by the way, as you're going along .. if you
care to keep track of things that are really confusing, buggy,
frustrating, very unexpected, etc .. that's very useful for future
interface planning |
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09:07.25 |
smokin1 |
hi. anyone home? |
09:11.27 |
dad_ |
learner - will do :) |
09:11.36 |
learner |
=) |
09:11.38 |
learner |
smokin1, nope :) |
09:12.07 |
dad_ |
smokin1: i'm here as well, but i don't know
much |
09:12.26 |
smokin1 |
ok then, i'll just talk to the walls...
usually works. |
09:13.02 |
learner |
works for me |
09:13.06 |
learner |
i like talking to myself too
sometimes |
09:13.18 |
smokin1 |
you two typing this on unix or did you actully
get it to work on a win macnine? |
09:13.38 |
learner |
i've run it on windows |
09:13.45 |
learner |
but right now, I'm on os x |
09:14.19 |
learner |
there are various windows efforts on-going
right now -- the code is pretty much ported (at least for the major
binaries) |
09:14.53 |
smokin1 |
but i'm guessing you got to pice and hack it
together to get it to compile? |
09:15.55 |
learner |
actually there's an msdev studio project (not
in cvs yet) |
09:16.17 |
learner |
getting it to compile otherwise is painful
(but one of the long-term routes) |
09:16.31 |
learner |
e.g. msys/mingw/cygwin |
09:17.03 |
learner |
i've heard of a couple people trying their
hand at getting cygwin build to work |
09:17.59 |
learner |
msdev studio files will likely get included
down the road, but we'll need to pick up someone willing to keep
them maintained |
09:20.10 |
smokin1 |
probably not a task for someone whose c
programming career consists of "hello world" ? |
09:22.08 |
dad_ |
lol |
09:23.31 |
smokin1 |
oh yeah, go ahead and laugh at the poor sap
who hoped to magically find a binary lying around in the
irc |
09:25.04 |
dad_ |
heh! my machine is gasping for
memory |
09:25.44 |
dad_ |
@1/2 a gig, i maxed it out on the pattern
tool! soo azmuths and 300 heights |
09:26.14 |
dad_ |
oops s/soo/300 |
09:26.54 |
dad_ |
and then i ask to dosplay it in 'multi-plane
view... |
09:27.13 |
dad_ |
is that 900* 4? |
09:27.55 |
dad_ |
~900*4 |
09:27.56 |
ibot |
3600 |
09:28.24 |
dad_ |
3600 arb6's... |
09:28.33 |
dad_ |
:) |
09:28.58 |
smokin1 |
http://ftp.arl.mil/brlcad/downloads/Rel6.1DP/brlcad.exe |
09:29.07 |
learner |
smokin1, heh, actually you might be able to
get somewhere useful, but it's not simple to say the
least |
09:29.46 |
smokin1 |
anyone know about that address? it gives me a
404, but claims to contain a win 2000/NT binary |
09:29.49 |
learner |
smokin1, yes, that's an early beta |
09:29.59 |
smokin1 |
i'd take that |
09:30.04 |
learner |
heh :) |
09:30.04 |
smokin1 |
ain't pickey |
09:30.09 |
learner |
i'm sure you would :) |
09:30.25 |
learner |
I'll think about it |
09:30.38 |
learner |
it's woefully bugged |
09:31.08 |
learner |
I'd hate to see the same bug reports dozens of
times over for things that were fixed almost two years
ago |
09:32.14 |
learner |
and it's missing a lot and is now quite out of
date |
09:32.47 |
learner |
if you can wait a couple weeks, there's a
group tasked to solidify the windows port |
09:33.29 |
learner |
course .. a couple of gov't weeks often are
not merely a couple -- can't promise |
09:34.13 |
learner |
almost as likely that someone will finish the
msys port about the same time |
09:39.30 |
smokin1 |
oh well, i guess i'll just wait. |
09:40.15 |
smokin1 |
i'd like to get back into c, but i think i'll
jump back in on a project with something less than 3/4 million
lines of code. |
09:40.27 |
learner |
you'll probably be may more interested in the
other things this group is going for window regardless |
09:40.56 |
learner |
porting a massive unix-based package to the
windows environment is not probalby what you're used to |
09:41.40 |
learner |
smokin1, don't let the size scare you off --
it's actually over 400 separate small projects really |
09:42.12 |
learner |
most of those are really strait-forward to
understand |
09:42.59 |
learner |
the src/proc-db/ model generators, for
example, are great computer graphics and programming exercises that
are pretty darn easy to follow |
09:43.22 |
learner |
easy to write a little bit of code that
outputs a model procedurally |
09:47.47 |
smokin1 |
are you one of the admins on the
project? |
09:48.15 |
learner |
yes |
09:49.56 |
smokin1 |
ya don't say... |
09:50.40 |
smokin1 |
i've seen that handle quite a bit on many a
google search |
09:50.55 |
learner |
heh |
09:51.14 |
learner |
so you're looking for the answers to some of
the same things I am? :) |
09:51.41 |
smokin1 |
no, i'm looking for the answers to the stuff
you already know ;) |
09:53.25 |
learner |
heh, shame it doesn't feel like that most of
the time :) |
09:55.14 |
smokin1 |
i'm guessing you're military? |
10:39.55 |
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11:02.28 |
dad_ |
nite. all! |
12:15.37 |
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13:07.18 |
tjyang |
learner you here ? |
14:02.43 |
learner |
yes although sleepy |
14:12.56 |
tjyang |
new ETA on 7.0.3 realease ? |
14:13.35 |
tjyang |
or 7.0.4 ? |
14:16.19 |
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14:30.34 |
learner |
tjyang this weekend |
14:30.40 |
learner |
7.0.4 |
14:30.47 |
learner |
7.0.3 is a CVS version |
14:34.07 |
tjyang |
thanks, does 7.0.3 fix the compiling on
solaris ? |
14:40.00 |
learner |
there not commited yet |
14:42.15 |
tjyang |
ok, I come back and check on Monday. |
14:54.30 |
learner |
okie dokie |
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20:15.40 |
stafa77 |
I am trying to compile BRL-CAD on Cygwin. I'm
getting an error. Can anyone help me out? |
20:31.09 |
a_b_normal |
http://www.apple.com/ipodshuffle/
<-- read the fine print, #2 |
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22:29.00 |
learner |
stafa77, what's the error, I can try to
help |
22:33.24 |
a_b_normal |
that's one major ping |
22:33.28 |
a_b_normal |
:) |
22:34.02 |
learner |
;) |
22:35.40 |
a_b_normal |
:( |
22:36.12 |
learner |
ahh, i know that addy =) |
22:54.19 |
starseeker |
learner: Any luck with the pro-engineer make
files? |
22:55.25 |
learner |
yeah, I think I have it fixed |
22:59.24 |
starseeker |
cool :-) |
22:59.30 |
starseeker |
is it in cvs? |
22:59.39 |
learner |
not yet |
22:59.46 |
learner |
later tonight hopefully |
22:59.52 |
starseeker |
Cool. Thanks :-) |
23:00.13 |
starseeker |
I dunno if I'll be able to test it this
weekend (kinda busy) but ASAP I'll give it a whirl |
23:00.19 |
starseeker |
what was it? |
23:00.39 |
learner |
yeah.. this is a busy weekend :) |
23:00.58 |
learner |
brl-cad pushed back bzflag's major release,
which will likely happen this weekend |
23:01.04 |
learner |
finally |
23:01.07 |
starseeker |
:-) |
23:01.25 |
starseeker |
yin and yang - productivity and
anti-productivity ;-) |
23:01.31 |
learner |
:) |
23:04.09 |
starseeker |
Did it need some more $(DESTDIR)
statements? |
23:04.34 |
learner |
needed to be made non-deterministic via
configure |
23:04.41 |
learner |
so that destdir can be used |
23:04.48 |
starseeker |
Ah. Harder :-) |
23:05.00 |
learner |
just a slight reworking |
23:05.16 |
starseeker |
Gentoo: finding make bugs no one else in the
known universe cares about :-/ |
23:06.07 |
a_b_normal |
hahaha |
23:06.59 |
starseeker |
I know of almost no other circumstance where
this would matter - if the user installs it's not an issue, if it's
a package it's already handled. |
23:07.39 |
learner |
it's good to have it fixed, though |
23:07.42 |
learner |
it was "wrong" |
23:07.45 |
starseeker |
:-) |
23:07.53 |
learner |
thanks for finding it |
23:08.20 |
starseeker |
My pleasure :-). Just trying to add a great
piece of software to gentoo |
23:09.00 |
starseeker |
Heh - I wish I could have seen my face when I
read that slashdot announcement |
23:09.09 |
learner |
heh |
23:09.49 |
starseeker |
It was one of the better places to announce,
methinks |
23:09.53 |
learner |
if you only knew what I had to go through to
make it happen.. |
23:10.38 |
learner |
heck that announcement paragraph itself took
almost two weeks to get approved |
23:10.41 |
starseeker |
I can imagine. Bill Schelter had to do
something similar, and Maxima is just a mathematics program. We
have a label warning about export restrictions possibly applying he
was asked to add |
23:11.19 |
starseeker |
And Maxiam, AFAIK, hasn't been used to design
tanks ;-) |
23:12.12 |
starseeker |
You deserve some kind of award for making it
happen |
23:12.48 |
learner |
tanks are fun :) |
23:13.19 |
starseeker |
Heh - you probably didn't see the response to
my post about it in forums.gentoo.org? |
23:13.36 |
learner |
I don't follow the gentoo forums |
23:13.56 |
starseeker |
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=141832&start=75 |
23:14.11 |
starseeker |
last couple posts on the page |
23:15.31 |
starseeker |
Hmm - a new post. Does brl-cad work on 64 bit
chips? |
23:16.08 |
learner |
haha |
23:16.20 |
starseeker |
thought you might ;-) |
23:16.28 |
learner |
oh heck yes it does |
23:16.44 |
starseeker |
Cool - someone's asking about it for 64 bit
gentoo |
23:16.51 |
starseeker |
too bad I can't test on that
platform |
23:18.06 |
learner |
yes, it would require testing to validate the
64-bitness, but brl-cad already runs and has been tested on 64-bit
irix, aix, and irix's 64-bit linux |
23:18.20 |
starseeker |
Nifty. |
23:18.31 |
learner |
mm.. i'd love to get brl-cad going on the
compile farm |
23:18.47 |
learner |
we used to have internal compile farms
running.. been a while |
23:19.00 |
starseeker |
Hehe - if you become a debian package that's a
lot of platforms right there |
23:19.15 |
starseeker |
They had XFree86 running on more platforms
than it was written for |
23:21.18 |
learner |
debian's given me more headaches than any
other platform |
23:21.31 |
starseeker |
I can believe that too :-( |
23:21.58 |
learner |
I believe woody is either misconfigured in
regards to automake+libtool, or it's rather bugged |
23:22.25 |
learner |
i've gotten a patch to review from a debian
user that i'll check out before releas |
23:22.42 |
learner |
brl-cad' |
23:23.05 |
learner |
has always run on pretty much anything we
could get our hands on.. |
23:23.33 |
learner |
officially, only a handful are "funded" for
support |
23:23.50 |
learner |
which are basically the ones needed
internally |
23:24.07 |
starseeker |
right - I was wondering if the Army actually
needed so many platforms supported |
23:24.11 |
learner |
getting it to run on the vax was tough -- cray
too |
23:24.50 |
learner |
those both predate me, though I've
re-attempted to revive a vax build just a couple years
ago |
23:25.07 |
starseeker |
eeeeeeeeeeeekk Vax still lives? |
23:25.34 |
learner |
we have a wide range of machines..
desktops/workstations.. supercomputers.. various flavors of
unix |
23:25.47 |
starseeker |
Sounds like a neat place to work |
23:26.35 |
learner |
no, the vax was decommissioned several years
ago, but the historic computing project has a complete software
emulation that is the same |
23:27.06 |
starseeker |
Cool. |
23:27.21 |
starseeker |
Good way to learn about software that only
survives as binaries |
23:27.39 |
learner |
took the better part of a saturday, but I had
the boot prom loaded, disks attached, and was installing bsd and
brl-cad shortly thereafter |
23:28.59 |
starseeker |
Wow. |
23:30.12 |
starseeker |
Hmm, supper might be a good thing. Thanks
learner! I'll let you know the results once the new pro-engineer
stuff is tested on gentoo |
23:30.27 |
learner |
okay :) |
23:30.49 |
learner |
I'll let you have first dibs on testing 7.0.4
since working on gentoo is a priority |
23:30.59 |
starseeker |
Thanks :-) |
23:31.09 |
starseeker |
It's a priority? |
23:31.49 |
learner |
yes, on my "must do" list |
23:31.59 |
starseeker |
Hah! Take that Redhat! :-P |
23:32.27 |
starseeker |
Or I guess it's Fedora Core now |
23:32.33 |
learner |
i want to get it cleanly building on gentoo,
debian, mac os x, rhlinux, freebsd, irix, and irix 64 this
release |
23:33.06 |
learner |
gentoo overtook redhat a long time ago (except
in business) |
23:33.26 |
learner |
perhaps even debian.. haven't seen the stats
recently |
23:33.44 |
learner |
debian maintainer is shooting the project in
the head with this drawn out releases |
23:33.58 |
starseeker |
The thing with gentoo is - because you build
everything on the system, you have a VERY good development
environment |
23:34.06 |
starseeker |
Yes, Debian can be very annoying |
23:34.31 |
learner |
then next release will probably activate the
windows support .. or at least provide some test binaries |
23:34.54 |
starseeker |
Heh - prepare for a whole new level of
annoyance |
23:35.14 |
starseeker |
Almost without exception, the most painful
part of releasing for both Axiom and Maxima has been
Windows |
23:35.49 |
learner |
we've had windows betas for years now.. just
no time to polish it up until recently |
23:36.01 |
learner |
(funded time) |
23:36.33 |
starseeker |
Well, that does help. But still... what a
messed up environment. Especially if you want to support
Win98-WinXP |
23:36.35 |
learner |
and win* is so way low on my priority list to
be on "my time" as most of this is |
23:37.25 |
starseeker |
Yeah - all Windows gets you is users ;-P
|
23:37.54 |
starseeker |
Really - the Army didn't fund Windows
development? |
23:38.04 |
learner |
i'm quite comfortable only supporting xp for
now -- let a windows dev step forward to pick up it's maintenance
like you did to get brl-cad in gentoo |
23:38.10 |
learner |
(which I still can't thank you
enough) |
23:38.37 |
starseeker |
My pleasure. There are several people who
would like gentoo to become the "scientific linux" platform of
choice |
23:38.48 |
starseeker |
and we certainly can't be that without brl-cad
;-) |
23:39.04 |
learner |
brl-cad's been a unix program nearly it's
entire life -- the original architect was one of the bsd foundation
architects |
23:39.14 |
starseeker |
Wow. |
23:39.30 |
a_b_normal |
the guy that invented ping, right?
:( |
23:39.37 |
learner |
yep |
23:39.49 |
learner |
amazing man |
23:39.55 |
a_b_normal |
yeah |
23:40.36 |
starseeker |
Someday it would be interesting if Nova or
somebody did an indepth series on the history of computer
software |
23:40.36 |
learner |
that's not even considering any classified
work he may have worked on and made major impacts on |
23:41.10 |
starseeker |
There's a rich human story behind the screen.
|
23:41.51 |
starseeker |
Or better yet, the history channel - they
might actually take it seriously |
23:43.31 |
starseeker |
Well, time to eat something besides valentines
candy ;-) |
23:43.36 |
starseeker |
later all! |
23:43.42 |
learner |
cya |