| 00:32.02 | brlcad | hello narnia |
| 00:34.40 | jano | bork |
| 00:36.03 | brlcad | narnia: the likelihood is pretty good for ap203 and ap214 |
| 00:37.57 | brlcad | bork |
| 01:04.45 | jano | krob |
| 01:44.17 | PrezKennedy | gnip |
| 01:48.22 | jano | ping |
| 01:48.31 | jano | gnop |
| 01:48.38 | jano | gnip gnop |
| 01:48.39 | jano | :D |
| 03:21.49 | brlcad | mm i wish |
| 03:25.26 | amathis | brlcad: I just copmiled brlcad. |
| 03:25.35 | amathis | is there a program executible or something? :P |
| 03:26.21 | brlcad | amathis: yes, over 400 of them |
| 03:26.42 | amathis | heh |
| 03:26.43 | amathis | :P |
| 03:26.54 | amathis | is brlcad a library? |
| 03:26.55 | brlcad | amathis: suggest reading the docs on http://brlcad.org .. vol I and II |
| 03:27.05 | amathis | does the CAD stand for computer aided drawing? |
| 03:27.05 | brlcad | mged is the modeler |
| 03:27.22 | brlcad | computer-aided design |
| 03:27.26 | amathis | ah |
| 03:27.26 | brlcad | ~cad |
| 03:27.27 | ibot | i heard cad is a short of Control+Alt+Delte, a keycombo often used in M$ Windoze |
| 03:27.29 | amathis | that is what I meant. |
| 03:33.49 | brlcad | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRL-CAD |
| 04:29.26 | EricWilhelm | ~cadd |
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| 04:31.27 | brlcad | ~CAD is also Computer-Aided Design (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAD) |
| 04:31.28 | ibot | okay, brlcad |
| 04:32.03 | EricWilhelm | man, it's like a puppy or something |
| 04:33.32 | EricWilhelm | so, what stands for Computer Aided Draughting? CAG? |
| 04:33.33 | brlcad | ~cadd is computer-aided design and drafting |
| 04:33.34 | ibot | okay, brlcad |
| 04:34.22 | brlcad | wikipedia has a whole section for that ;) |
| 04:34.24 | brlcad | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAD_%28disambiguation%29 |
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| 04:54.56 | brlcad | ~ww |
| 04:54.57 | ibot | Har har |
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| 05:44.57 | narnia | knock, knock anyone home? |
| 05:45.08 | brlcad | nope |
| 05:45.36 | narnia | brlcad, hello. anytime frame for step ap203 support? |
| 05:46.45 | brlcad | it's hard to say right now. The formulations for the mid-term and long-term plans are still being discussed |
| 05:50.17 | brlcad | at least next fiscal year's plans are on the design table now |
| 05:50.31 | brlcad | it's definitely a must have item for down the road |
| 05:50.51 | brlcad | if someone gets really interested in helping to implement it, then it may happen much sooner |
| 05:51.34 | brlcad | otherwise, we're looking at minimally many months in the least .. ap203 is rather complex |
| 05:53.21 | brlcad | I'm hoping to have a minimal prototype converter ready by this summer .. but that may be wishful given how much interest there's been and how much needs to be done |
| 05:54.36 | brlcad | heck, we still don't have proper binaries posted yet and it's been a couple weeks |
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| 06:06.57 | narnia | brlcad, you still here? |
| 06:07.26 | narnia | brlcad, sorry i am bouncing between computers. |
| 06:26.48 | brlcad | narnia: yes, I am |
| 06:28.04 | brlcad | narnia: if you are a developer and are interested in helping out with a step converter (or know someone whom is), please let me know and we can perhaps work together to accelerate the implementation |
| 06:33.49 | noyb | 7.0.4 already... it was 7.0.0 when it was released to open source? |
| 06:34.12 | brlcad | niet, it was not |
| 06:34.24 | brlcad | 7.0.1 was open source revision (CVS revision) |
| 06:34.40 | brlcad | 7.0.0 was released a couple weeks before |
| 06:34.51 | brlcad | so the binaries were decrypted and posted |
| 06:34.58 | brlcad | 7.0.6 is almost ready |
| 06:37.16 | noyb | ah... |
| 06:38.38 | noyb | are you getting some new people involved in the project or are all of the changes still internal? |
| 06:41.14 | brlcad | quite open for getting new people involved |
| 06:41.29 | brlcad | it's not all internal already, but still primarily |
| 06:43.01 | narnia | brlcad, may i msg you? |
| 06:44.33 | brlcad | heh, sure (and no need to ask in the future) |
| 06:45.25 | noyb | I don't think I'm qualified to participate. I'm not a regular cad user, and I'm not a serious programmer. I'm a perl/shell kinda guy. |
| 06:46.53 | brlcad | noyb: there's always room for contributions |
| 06:47.02 | brlcad | it's a very large codebase with lots of room for help |
| 06:47.16 | noyb | I'm no good with tcl either... :) |
| 06:47.51 | brlcad | there's shell scripts, php, java, tcl, and C as is |
| 06:48.35 | brlcad | manpages, documentation, doxygen, docbook, Makefiles, test suites, benchmark suite, et |
| 06:48.43 | noyb | I tried to build an ambitious perl/tcl database front end, but... I gave up. I now *know* that I hate tcl. |
| 06:49.21 | noyb | why are there so many languages at play here? |
| 06:53.40 | brlcad | various needs, people, years, history |
| 06:54.16 | brlcad | plus many other codes link to brl-cad's libraries.. and they are written in different languages |
| 06:54.30 | brlcad | C, fortran, java, Tcl come to mind |
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| 16:29.34 | PrezKennedy | gnip |
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| 20:59.54 | brlcad | narnia: ping |
| 21:06.56 | jano | gnop |
| 21:46.15 | amathis | brlcad: I have trouble installing. |
| 21:46.17 | amathis | here is error |
| 21:46.22 | amathis | Backgrounding, please wait... |
| 21:46.22 | amathis | Can't find a usable tk.tcl in the following directories: |
| 21:46.23 | amathis | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:46.36 | amathis | what should I do? |
| 21:49.58 | brlcad | did you set BRLCAD_ROOT? |
| 21:50.24 | amathis | yes |
| 21:50.25 | brlcad | and what version are you trying to instal;? |
| 21:50.41 | amathis | brlcad: I got a different error when I didn't export BRLCAD_ROOt |
| 21:50.50 | amathis | and it is 7.0.4 |
| 21:50.55 | amathis | not the linux version on SF |
| 21:50.58 | brlcad | unset BRLCAD_ROOT |
| 21:51.18 | amathis | brlcad: can I paste it here? |
| 21:51.25 | brlcad | sure |
| 21:51.25 | amathis | it isn't horifically big. |
| 21:51.34 | amathis | Backgrounding, please wait... |
| 21:51.34 | amathis | Unable to find the directory that BRL-CAD is installed in while seeking: |
| 21:51.34 | amathis | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:51.34 | amathis | This version of LIBBU was compiled to expect BRL-CAD in: |
| 21:51.34 | amathis | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:51.36 | amathis | but it is no longer there. |
| 21:51.39 | amathis | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:51.41 | amathis | please set your environment variable BRLCAD_ROOT to the correct path, |
| 21:51.44 | brlcad | ahh, yes |
| 21:51.44 | amathis | and re-run this program. |
| 21:51.46 | amathis | csh/tcsh users: |
| 21:51.49 | amathis | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:51.51 | amathis | sh/bash users: |
| 21:51.54 | amathis | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:51.56 | amathis | bu_brlcad_path() |
| 21:51.59 | brlcad | that was recently fixed in CVS .. |
| 21:51.59 | amathis | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.03 | brlcad | you set the root wrong |
| 21:52.07 | amathis | I did? |
| 21:52.12 | brlcad | export BRLCAD_ROOT=/usr/brlcad |
| 21:52.16 | amathis | oh |
| 21:52.16 | amathis | o |
| 21:52.25 | amathis | I don't have a /usr/brlcad |
| 21:52.30 | amathis | I just did a 'make' |
| 21:52.33 | amathis | it never needed rot |
| 21:52.34 | brlcad | ahh |
| 21:52.36 | amathis | *root |
| 21:52.46 | amathis | I set it to /home/amathis/brlcad-7.0.4 |
| 21:52.47 | brlcad | so how are you trying to run mged? |
| 21:52.57 | amathis | amathis@corinth brlcad-7.0.4 $ pwd |
| 21:52.57 | amathis | /home/amathis/brlcad-7.0.4 |
| 21:53.04 | amathis | amathis@corinth brlcad-7.0.4 $ ./src/mged/mged |
| 21:53.23 | amathis | should I 'make install' ? |
| 21:53.27 | brlcad | yeah.. that work work like that |
| 21:53.44 | brlcad | if you want to run it without installing, try to cd src/mged first, but more will fail |
| 21:53.56 | amathis | I am just going to install it |
| 21:53.59 | brlcad | mged uses many external binaries that are in other directories |
| 21:54.40 | amathis | doing it now. |
| 21:54.54 | amathis | man, you will enjoy the last episodes of Stargate Atlantis |
| 21:55.13 | brlcad | which one is that? |
| 21:55.19 | brlcad | i saw last week's |
| 21:55.20 | amathis | episode 19 and 20 |
| 21:55.26 | amathis | I mean the LAST of the season. |
| 21:55.34 | brlcad | ahh |
| 21:55.40 | brlcad | you're cheating, eh? :) |
| 21:55.53 | amathis | watched UK's because I am watching SG-1 from season 1 through 8 |
| 21:55.54 | amathis | :) |
| 21:56.25 | amathis | brlcad looks pretty cool. |
| 21:56.27 | amathis | was reading through it. |
| 21:56.59 | amathis | interesting that it is opensource and on SourceForge. |
| 21:57.26 | narnia | brlcad, pong |
| 21:58.14 | amathis | brlcad: ok, install done. |
| 21:58.29 | brlcad | amathis: SG atlantis is on sf.net? :) |
| 21:58.45 | brlcad | narnia: got your messages, glad to hear you're interested |
| 21:58.57 | amathis | brlcad: no.. brlcad :P |
| 21:58.58 | narnia | brlcad, good. |
| 21:59.25 | amathis | brlcad: ok, I exported brlcad_root as /usr/brlcad |
| 21:59.29 | narnia | brlcad, do you happen to have the iso specifications for ap203 and ap214? |
| 21:59.32 | amathis | and now when I try to execute mged it gies this: |
| 22:00.10 | amathis | brlcad: nevermind |
| 22:00.12 | amathis | fixed it |
| 22:00.26 | brlcad | amathis: have to add /usr/brlcad/bin to your path ;) |
| 22:00.53 | brlcad | narnia: yes and no |
| 22:00.55 | amathis | brlcad: yeah :) |
| 22:01.01 | amathis | brlcad: wow.. this looks interesting :) |
| 22:01.08 | narnia | brlcad, umm definite maybe. ;-) |
| 22:01.36 | brlcad | narnia: the specifications are enormous and I don't have them in electronic form (or a means to get them in that form easily) |
| 22:02.02 | brlcad | I do, however, have several ap203 and ap214 files |
| 22:02.15 | narnia | amathis, i would suggest working through the tutorial to get a good feel of what brlcad is capable of doing. |
| 22:02.46 | brlcad | amathis: i'd suggest the same too -- volume II on http://brlcad.org |
| 22:03.02 | narnia | brlcad, ap203 and ap214 files i have. i was hoping someone had the iso documents. |
| 22:03.03 | amathis | narnia: heh, I was going to do that when I had time.. trying to release a project, homework, a new business, and a work ^_^ |
| 22:03.24 | brlcad | and play bz of course |
| 22:03.50 | amathis | brlcad: when have yo seen me playing bz lately? :) |
| 22:03.58 | amathis | I have no aliases. |
| 22:04.09 | brlcad | heh, when have you seen ME play lately? :) |
| 22:04.20 | amathis | :P |
| 22:06.25 | narnia | if i may ask may we have an age check? i will go first. 53yo. |
| 22:06.59 | amathis | ah |
| 22:07.06 | amathis | 17, 18 on the 25th |
| 22:08.10 | narnia | amathis, an advance happy birthday then. |
| 22:08.39 | brlcad | narnia: I'm one of the core devs for bz is why that came up |
| 22:09.41 | narnia | brlcad, i have no idea what bz is. i am too old to play video games. being basically one-handed does not help either. |
| 22:09.54 | brlcad | never too old :) |
| 22:10.15 | brlcad | one of our other core devs is in his mid 70's and he still plays (rather well) |
| 22:10.42 | brlcad | i can understand how the hand could be diffidcult, though |
| 22:10.45 | narnia | brlcad, i would assume he has two working hands. |
| 22:12.27 | narnia | brlcad, how did you become involved with brl-cad? |
| 22:13.14 | narnia | opps be back later news in on. |
| 22:13.34 | brlcad | narnia: I became inolved with the project over 7 years ago when I started working for the team |
| 22:14.08 | brlcad | worked part-time under Mike for about another year after that, and then joined in full time shortly thereafter |
| 22:14.11 | jano | seven |
| 22:14.18 | jano | it's more like.. 10, no? |
| 22:14.27 | brlcad | hrm |
| 22:14.31 | brlcad | maybe 8 |
| 22:14.35 | brlcad | not 10 |
| 22:14.38 | jano | okay |
| 22:14.43 | jano | time frame getting all messed up |
| 22:14.45 | jano | maybe 7 |
| 22:14.58 | brlcad | '98 iirc |
| 22:14.58 | jano | we were done with second year.. or third year when you started? |
| 22:15.21 | jano | where you there year before jason met nettie? |
| 22:15.29 | jano | or was it all that year? |
| 22:15.43 | brlcad | all about the same time |
| 22:16.47 | jano | hmm |
| 22:28.27 | narnia | back |
| 22:58.19 | jano | http://nationalfranchisesales.com/busy.pdf |
| 22:58.24 | jano | doncha just hate when that happens?! |
| 23:08.21 | amathis | brlcad: could I PM you with a spanish problem? |
| 23:08.33 | Nidhoggr | hi amathis |
| 23:08.42 | amathis | hi Nidhoggr ! |
| 23:08.53 | amathis | Nidhoggr: almost got my sit totally done.. then I am tackling yours.... |
| 23:09.07 | Nidhoggr | cool |
| 23:09.09 | amathis | Nidhoggr: if you can find translators, I will put in code to have multi languages per users |
| 23:09.12 | amathis | :P |
| 23:09.16 | Nidhoggr | ah. |
| 23:10.16 | amathis | Nidhoggr: tu hablas espanol? |
| 23:10.24 | Nidhoggr | nope |
| 23:10.37 | Nidhoggr | only enough to get myself slapped. |
| 23:10.48 | Nidhoggr | although, I can do Mass in spanish. :) |
| 23:10.56 | Nidhoggr | it's all typed up for me though. |
| 23:11.59 | brlcad | amathis: claro |
| 23:13.17 | amathis | ? |
| 23:13.32 | amathis | clear? |
| 23:13.39 | amathis | what is clear? |
| 23:13.53 | Nidhoggr | hi brlcad |
| 23:13.58 | brlcad | that's not what that means there |
| 23:14.19 | amathis | brlcad: I am spanish 1 sadly. |
| 23:14.22 | amathis | brlcad: :) |
| 23:14.24 | amathis | humor me |
| 23:14.30 | amathis | translate this |
| 23:14.33 | brlcad | If you are "clear" that you need to do something.. what do you think might be another word for what that is? |
| 23:15.29 | amathis | of course |
| 23:15.55 | brlcad | if you are "of course" that you at.. no try again |
| 23:16.23 | brlcad | looking for a word to replace clear there |
| 23:17.01 | brlcad | and this is a spanish 1 question :P |
| 23:17.33 | brlcad | can't help till you figure out what claro means :) |
| 23:19.55 | amathis | haha |
| 23:20.25 | amathis | .. apparent, clear, of course... |
| 23:20.46 | brlcad | of course would be por supuesto |
| 23:21.00 | brlcad | apparent is apparentamente |
| 23:21.10 | brlcad | er, apparently, at least |
| 23:21.19 | brlcad | close though |
| 23:22.42 | amathis | brlcad: I am not doing homework ^_^ |
| 23:22.52 | amathis | but |
| 23:22.55 | amathis | I will try anyway |
| 23:23.30 | amathis | I asked you a question that would get a yes or no.. |
| 23:23.45 | amathis | so why would claro not mean of course? |
| 23:24.36 | brlcad | what's another way to say of course in english? |
| 23:24.57 | amathis | sure. |
| 23:25.11 | amathis | ok |
| 23:25.18 | amathis | anytime |
| 23:27.30 | amathis | brb |
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| 23:31.20 | jano | absolutley |
| 23:35.57 | amathis | back |
| 23:35.57 | amathis | brlcad: am I wrong? |
| 23:38.22 | amathis | heh |
| 23:38.30 | brlcad | amathis: heh, yep, that was right |
| 23:40.13 | brlcad | what was your "final answer"? :) |
