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01:00.23 brlcad there
01:00.33 brlcad now c1;2cgi:irc is up and running
01:00.41 brlcad http://irc.brlcad.org
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03:19.03 EricWilhelm hmm. a bit slow?
03:21.19 learner slow?
03:21.28 learner busy busy here :)
03:21.41 EricWilhelm (irc.brlcad.org) maybe it doesn't play well with konqueror
03:23.01 learner ahh
03:23.21 learner probably the latter .. it's got issues with a variety of browsers
03:23.30 learner did it give you a red warning?
03:33.55 jano bork
03:41.44 learner sup
03:58.25 brlcad ahh, yes.. konqueror 2 is listed as a problem .. do you know your version string?
04:12.35 jano wait
04:12.37 jano i'm confused
04:13.26 jano which one are you? :P
04:24.44 brlcad :P
04:29.09 jano :P
04:29.57 EricWilhelm brlcad, 3.2.2
04:30.15 brlcad that 'splains it
04:31.57 brlcad there, that should at least put the warning
04:32.02 EricWilhelm is javascript required?
04:32.47 brlcad cgi:irc does an unterminated streaming http to keep the irc connection open .. several browsers don't like that
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04:33.00 brlcad did you see the warning?
04:33.10 cad329 yeah, but it seems to work fine here
04:33.22 brlcad ah, that's good
04:33.28 cad329 one issue, is that I was using privoxy on the other computer
04:33.49 jano warning?
04:34.01 cad329 this is the same konqueror, different workstation
04:34.11 jano oh
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04:34.16 brlcad so it is working then
04:34.44 EricWilhelm yeah, let me check the js settings
04:35.11 cad329 right, js is enabled here
04:36.33 EricWilhelm no, must be privoxy (same js settings on both boxen)
04:36.48 brlcad supposed to just be a fall-back for the folks that no nothing about irc .. get them in and then make em find a real irc client ;)
04:37.32 EricWilhelm I guess you can put something about 'apt-get install xchat' in the warning if you see Debian in their browser ID
04:54.27 brlcad hehe
04:54.41 brlcad most of the folks I'd worry about are not using linux ;)
05:03.14 narnia brlcad, hello, how goes it? concerning step files; what are your thought, ideas, dreams, etc for the step interface?
05:04.30 brlcad what do you mean?
05:04.54 brlcad ideally we'll have a full ap203/214 step-g and g-step converter ;)
05:06.27 brlcad dreams are to have it completed at least functionally sometime this summer before siggraph
05:10.54 brlcad same goes for a prototype of the new project management interface that wraps all the tools
05:18.22 narnia brlcad, okay
05:20.03 brlcad narnia: what are your thoughts?
05:24.36 narnia brlcad, well first need iso-10303-21 at a minimum to understand the syntax of the step files. using iso-10303-21 or the nist step library parse the step files.
05:25.45 narnia brlcad, the next phase would be to determine how step constructs map to brl-cad g, and create the mappings. this part would be bi-directional.
05:26.39 narnia brlcad, the third phase would be to run as many step files through the step-g conversion to determine where the bugs, misktakes, errors, etc are.
05:26.56 narnia brlcad, repeat as necessary.
05:29.26 narnia brlcad, basically how would something like "#670499=CIRCLE('',#670498,9.E0);" map to brl-cad q?
05:30.35 brlcad the actual mapping is not going to be difficult at all -- most everything will map directly that has to do with actual geometry
05:31.06 brlcad splines might be complicated.. would have to see the inputs
05:31.38 brlcad a 2D shape maps to the sketch primitive (which has many subshapes including a circle/arc)
05:32.06 narnia brlcad, that "#670498" above is a variable.
05:33.02 brlcad all part of the express syntax, yes
05:33.23 brlcad ?
05:33.28 narnia brlcad, are you asking or telling?
05:33.51 brlcad :) asking
05:34.14 narnia brlcad, all part of the express syntax, yes.
05:34.18 brlcad from what I've seen of the actual file, there are a variety of express constructs that would have to be supported
05:34.32 brlcad as part of the parser that builds a geometry tree
05:35.46 brlcad in that simple form, it's just a named reference to a circle object -- you end up with substitutions under you have actual geometry
05:36.03 narnia brlcad, having iso-10303-21 would allow for a lex, yacc ( flex,bison ) parser. or go for recursive-descent parser.
05:36.05 brlcad constraints will be a problem, though we can stash them into attributes for now
05:38.58 narnia brb need decaf coffee.
05:43.10 brlcad i'd very much agree
05:44.57 brlcad I'm trying to track down where our printed copy came from
05:52.38 narnia brlcad, have you heard of the 'enhanced machine controller (emc) project' at nist?
05:52.54 brlcad doesn't ring a bell
05:53.31 narnia the emc project is also hosted on sourceforge.net.
05:54.50 brlcad sounds like something related to milling and CAM
05:54.59 narnia it is.
05:55.07 narnia cnc
05:55.11 brlcad ahh
05:55.13 narnia g-code.
05:55.30 narnia i have worked on that project off and on.
05:56.20 brlcad ahh, generates g-code for cnc machines?
05:56.27 brlcad link?
05:56.34 narnia brb
05:57.21 narnia https://sourceforge.net/projects/emc/
05:59.10 narnia and my cad-cam project that i have been working on for several years. http://gnu-cad-cam.sourceforge.net/
06:00.06 narnia i have not updated that page in awhile.
06:00.21 brlcad interesting
06:01.53 brlcad i see you're a bit off your timeline.. :)
06:02.18 brlcad how far into your implementation did you get?
06:03.21 narnia it is difficult to work on project when recovering from several surgeries over the years. since the work accident on 26 nov 1996 i have had 7 major surgeries.
06:03.49 brlcad understandable
06:05.23 narnia pretty much to this point : http://gnu-cad-cam.sourceforge.net/block-diagrams.html#LEVEL-SIX-DETAIL-BLOCK-DIAGRAM
06:07.38 narnia had some helpers over the years but events happen. one helper's mother died of breast cancer. one helper was killed in a car accident by a drunk driver. one helper got married.
06:07.49 brlcad incredible complexity in the "process" block
06:08.49 narnia tool path routines still need alot of work.
06:09.05 brlcad and how the human input interacts.. the gui/cli?
06:10.13 narnia cli, and lisp scripts.
06:11.22 narnia my menu helper was the one who got married and started a family. she has higher priorities now.
06:12.24 narnia the is no "wimp" interface. (wimp -- windows, icons, menus, pop-up/pop-down)
06:14.33 brlcad yep, go that
06:15.12 narnia the only controller it supports is emc.
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06:24.51 narnia now that brl-cad is open source my dream is to have brl-cad eventually interface to emc.
06:25.45 brlcad would be a nice bridge to eventually have a path to g-code
06:31.47 narnia brb
07:16.13 narnia back
07:16.26 narnia had to let the dog out and the cat in.
07:18.46 brlcad what kind of dog?
07:21.59 narnia huck is half border collie and half springer spanniel
07:22.42 narnia huck is old like me and he has a pinched nerve in his neck. huck is having troublem walk and i am going to have to put him down soon. :-(
07:23.23 narnia huck, has been my daily companion since 1996.
07:24.04 narnia we got huck as a puppy in 1994.
08:06.05 brlcad :(
08:06.08 brlcad sorry to hear that
08:06.56 brlcad my dog's getting old too, born in '92
08:07.30 brlcad had his mother most of her life before him too
08:17.26 narnia it would cost 2-3k to operate on the pinched nerve in his neck. given huck's age the vet is not sure he would survive such a major surgery.
08:21.08 narnia i am beginning to nod off. i am calling it a night. talk with you later today perhaps.
08:21.23 narnia goodnight and peaceful dreams
08:27.31 brlcad alright
08:27.43 brlcad thanks for the info earlier re your project
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