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00:38.19 CIA-3 libIRC: 03jeffm2501 * 10libirc/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
00:38.19 CIA-3 libIRC: add method to do a nick change
00:38.19 CIA-3 libIRC: fix up release builds
00:44.12 CIA-3 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/ (5 files in 2 dirs): quell the Xlib extension warning on XInputExtension by checking for it and not making a call to XListInputDevices if it's not available.
01:21.11 CIA-3 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/configure.ac: support the busted term.h header on solaris. it requires curses.h, so check for an include it before the header check.
02:56.51 CIA-3 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/other/URToolkit/tools/into.c: quell warning, main needs to return an int
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06:54.59 CIA-3 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/configure.ac: HAVE_ defines need to be undefined when false, not set to zero -- HAVE_SYS_ERRLIST_DECL needed fix'in
07:30.51 CIA-3 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/configure.ac: s/SOCKET/LIBSOCKET/g
07:31.53 CIA-3 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/other/libtcl/Makefile.am: libtcl requires -lsocket if it's available
08:58.32 CIA-3 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/configure.ac: library link reworking, add libnsl check, clean up libsocket check
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08:59.07 CIA-3 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/other/libtcl/Makefile.am: add libnsl
09:03.33 CIA-3 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/configure.ac: zlib link naming consistency
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13:14.38 dho Is it possible to open autocad dwg files with brlcad?
15:24.49 EricWilhelm dho, not exactly
15:24.53 EricWilhelm (yet)
15:25.18 EricWilhelm there's a dxf converter, but nothing for dwg
15:25.35 EricWilhelm what kind of files do you have? (surfaces? wireframe? solids?)
15:27.03 dho Just some 2D stuff. I don't know anything about CAD, just taking a look at some stuff my uncle has.
15:27.12 dho I got the things exported to dxf, so that's a first step I guess :)
15:28.04 EricWilhelm there's a dxf-g program
15:28.08 EricWilhelm man dxf-g
15:28.38 EricWilhelm The file.dxf file is expected to be
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15:30.33 dho Thanks
15:30.37 EricWilhelm I would like to have some preliminary dwg support in the uber-converter by about July.
15:30.51 dho Another thing; I'm having an issue with MGED that when I try to start it, it says `backgrounding, please wait\n dm-ogl: Can't make display lists for font.'
15:31.00 dho After that I never see anything
15:31.14 EricWilhelm Not sure what it will take to get from there to brlcad, but at least it would give you dwg->dxf on the command-line.
15:32.03 EricWilhelm hmm. that's a question for one of the other guys (who are more involved in brlcad than I am.)
15:32.23 dho Ok; I'll stick around. Thanks :)
15:32.36 EricWilhelm what os are you running
15:34.08 dho FreeBSD
15:41.14 EricWilhelm dho, I see (in my logs) that someone else had the same trouble with freebsd before, but haven't found what solved it yet
15:41.26 EricWilhelm brlcad, do you work sundays?
15:44.51 EricWilhelm dho, maybe try this:
15:45.22 EricWilhelm Jan 21 02:56:56 <tetesuro> Oh, I got the gui up
15:45.23 EricWilhelm Jan 21 02:57:06 <tetesuro> mged -n name.g
15:45.23 EricWilhelm Jan 21 02:57:09 <tetesuro> attach X
15:45.23 EricWilhelm Jan 21 02:57:12 <corbanj> cool...
15:45.23 EricWilhelm Jan 21 02:57:20 <brlcad> ahh, the old X interface
15:45.23 EricWilhelm Jan 21 02:57:27 <tetesuro> right
15:46.11 EricWilhelm dho, I guess you have an opengl problem, but it looks like you should be able to run on a straight X gui.
15:46.28 dho aha -n!
15:47.08 dho thanks
15:47.59 EricWilhelm you might still want to hang around and ask brlcad if the ogl issue ever got solved in that case
15:48.34 dho Will do :)
16:04.26 brlcad EricWilhelm: depends how you define work -- I work on brl-cad and am here in the # pretty much every day
16:06.02 brlcad dho: there was a fix made to test the font display list creation, but there's probably more that needs to be done. the "fix" being made now is to not make the opengl interface the default (there are several to choose from all pretty much functionally equivalent)
18:25.38 CIA-3 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/TODO: need non-generic installation instructinos
18:27.35 CIA-3 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/ (INSTALL COPYING): add an rcs revision number for change tracking
18:52.25 narnia brlcad, given that i do not have part23 to look at my next question may be mute when we are able to read part 23. how close should part 23 and part 24 be?
18:56.55 brlcad what do you mean?
18:57.08 brlcad how close are the api hooks?
18:57.41 brlcad i suspect relatively similar.. but.. ??
19:19.04 narnia brlcad, not have part23 i can only go by the nist scl source.
19:19.30 brlcad but what does part23 matter?
19:19.51 narnia brlcad, part23 is the c++ language bindings
19:20.04 brlcad i know.. that's why I'm wondering why it matters
19:20.37 brlcad we have the c lang bindings .. only need one binding ;)
19:20.39 narnia brlcad, okay, for right now is does not matter.
19:22.36 narnia brlcad, perhaps the 10303 parts should be a sub-project of brl-cad. the 10303 parts should be standalone libraries.
19:23.46 narnia brlcad, a 'nice to have' would be both part 23 and part 24. i agree for brl-cad part 24 is only needed.
19:56.51 CIA-3 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/configure.ac:
19:56.51 CIA-3 BRL-CAD: improved/individual library checks across the board for gl, dl, mx, malloc, dl,
19:56.51 CIA-3 BRL-CAD: nsl, and socket. get rid of the 'bad' AC_SEARCH_LIBS. improve the INSTALL and
19:56.51 CIA-3 BRL-CAD: COPYING file bug check by comparing the rcs revision numbers.
20:27.16 CIA-3 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/ (4 files in 3 dirs): use LIBGL for -lgl instead of SGIGL
20:51.50 CIA-3 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/HACKING: Update the ChangeLog with entries since the last release
20:52.15 CIA-3 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/configure.ac: rename INSTALL,COPYING check variables
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21:09.21 CIA-3 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/rt/.cvsignore: few missing generated version files
21:20.14 CIA-3 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/other/URToolkit/ (cnv/.cvsignore tools/.cvsignore): ignore generated files
21:26.01 CIA-3 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/conv/.cvsignore: new additions to ignore
22:50.21 EricWilhelm brlcad, have you seen the scons build system?
22:52.44 brlcad yes I have
22:53.41 brlcad it's nice, though lacking a bit of maturity
22:53.47 EricWilhelm thought about migrating to it? The docs at least have some interesting things to say about m4, etc.
22:54.09 EricWilhelm I haven't really learned autoconf, and was thinking maybe I wouldn't need to.
22:54.13 brlcad yes, I have .. I'm interested, but it's a _lot_ of work no matter how it's cut
22:54.34 brlcad it's conceptually very much a step up from the gnu build system
22:54.35 EricWilhelm of course, I haven't left my happy little perl development environment, so maybe moot :-)
22:55.12 brlcad the main difference is that the gnu build system is immensely more developed, mature, and familiar to folks than scons
22:55.30 brlcad with all it's warts, it is what everyone mostly uses
22:55.41 EricWilhelm I have been looking at setting up a nightly build system for my subversion repository, so scons, Module::Build, and similar stuff keeps coming up on google.
22:56.04 brlcad that being said, I'd drop it in a heartbeat if scons was working on the entire build system with at least as much as we already have completed
22:57.24 EricWilhelm scons definitely seems more hackable, which is part of why I'm asking. I'll put a few more things on my "to read" list.
22:58.02 brlcad hmm.. hackable isn't a downside of the gbs .. you can write tests for just about anything
22:58.33 brlcad the pain is if you actually have to write tests for _everything_ .. that's a lot of work and a codebase in itself with spagetti logic that ends up needing to be maintained
22:58.33 EricWilhelm how about 'make live-install' ?
22:58.43 brlcad make live-install?
22:59.26 EricWilhelm I'm still working on how it would make sense in a compiled project, but that's my primary methodology in interpreted code.
22:59.59 EricWilhelm I suppose it would still have application in brl-cad, blender, etc where you have scripted plugins and add-ons (e.g. tcl or python)
23:00.49 EricWilhelm http://scratchcomputing.com/developers/live-install.html
23:02.34 EricWilhelm brlcad, partly I'm trying to make drive-by hacking easier. I suppose in a compiled project, this would essentially mean that you would only have to 'make' the code to have your changes available.
23:02.52 brlcad no offense, but that write-up didn't really tell me much :)
23:03.04 brlcad it told me what it's not to a little extent
23:03.13 EricWilhelm "make && make test && make install" is great and all, but somewhat tedious
23:03.17 EricWilhelm yeah.
23:03.56 EricWilhelm I need to work on that. Did you mean the web page or the how_this_works.txt file?
23:05.10 brlcad yes :)
23:05.38 EricWilhelm ok. sorry, I'll work on that some more before I bring it up again.
23:06.32 EricWilhelm like I said, I'm still not sure what it does for compiled code. It's a work in progress.
23:06.41 brlcad no, I mean.. what's the basic idea? make a sandbox to install/run in?
23:06.58 EricWilhelm no, it's about the opposite of a sandbox.
23:07.36 EricWilhelm It allows you to run bleeding edge code as if you had installed it with 'make install'.
23:08.02 EricWilhelm For interpreted code, that means "straight out of a CVS/SVN checkout."
23:08.48 brlcad sounds like gentoo for interpreted code ;)
23:08.56 EricWilhelm so, it's a way of getting faster reflection.
23:09.09 EricWilhelm yeah, maybe a bit like that.
23:09.45 EricWilhelm hmm. it would be great if it would play nicely with package managers eh?
23:10.07 EricWilhelm but, that's an issue with perl libraries in general I guess (at least from what I've seen on debian)
23:28.00 CIA-3 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/configure.ac: announce that the backup is being made in the result, equal is probably modified locally

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