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brlcad |
i should make the "real name" the users web
browser, I think |
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nvdstruis |
Hello all |
17:39.52 |
brlcad |
hello :) |
17:39.58 |
brlcad |
i see you finally found a client that
works? |
17:40.15 |
nvdstruis |
yes, you mean an irc client ? |
17:40.20 |
brlcad |
yep |
17:40.33 |
nvdstruis |
I'm using firefox |
17:40.39 |
brlcad |
cgi:irc can be a pain |
17:40.55 |
nvdstruis |
I'm not into IRC, yet |
17:41.08 |
brlcad |
you might like xchat or irssi much better if
you hang around more |
17:41.16 |
brlcad |
the web-based interface is rather
limiting |
17:41.27 |
brlcad |
but certainly useable enough (with the right
browsers) |
17:41.42 |
nvdstruis |
thanks again for your help |
17:42.06 |
brlcad |
haven't helped you yet I think, but you're
welcome ;) |
17:42.40 |
nvdstruis |
yes, you helped me solve the question I posted
about the linker errors |
17:42.53 |
brlcad |
ahh, okay |
17:43.02 |
brlcad |
thought the name looked familiar |
17:43.16 |
nvdstruis |
right :) it's the same |
17:43.26 |
brlcad |
sorry it took so long .. :) |
17:43.42 |
brlcad |
would have taked about 4 days less in here
:) |
17:43.52 |
nvdstruis |
oh, actually I was very happy it
worked |
17:44.14 |
brlcad |
what version did you say you were using there?
7.2.2? |
17:44.25 |
nvdstruis |
yes, 7.2.2 |
17:44.55 |
brlcad |
hrm, that's rather odd that you needed -lm
-ldl -lpthread then |
17:45.12 |
nvdstruis |
I haven't used anything else then the mged and
raytrace stuff though |
17:45.33 |
brlcad |
you have seen the tutorial manuals? |
17:45.44 |
nvdstruis |
yes a little |
17:45.49 |
brlcad |
k |
17:46.10 |
nvdstruis |
are you a brlcad core developer? |
17:46.15 |
brlcad |
might I ask what sort of application you're
looking to develop? |
17:46.20 |
brlcad |
yes |
17:46.37 |
nvdstruis |
sure, but it will take time to
explain |
17:46.46 |
brlcad |
and I manage most of the open source
activities to boot too |
17:47.01 |
nvdstruis |
first I will explain some background |
17:47.19 |
nvdstruis |
I work with TNO in the Netherlands |
17:47.46 |
nvdstruis |
we are like the defense research
institute |
17:48.49 |
nvdstruis |
they use brlcad components at my work for
building models of tanks and ships at my work |
17:49.03 |
nvdstruis |
and for raytracing of course |
17:49.17 |
nvdstruis |
still there ? |
17:49.22 |
brlcad |
oooh, TNO :) |
17:49.28 |
nvdstruis |
ok |
17:49.39 |
brlcad |
yes, I fade in and out.. if I don't answer,
I'm within earshot |
17:49.58 |
nvdstruis |
a was asked to implement a model for heat
transfer in ship compartments |
17:50.06 |
brlcad |
or I'll read the log when I return.. another
benefit of a non-cgi:irc irc client |
17:50.15 |
nvdstruis |
ok |
17:50.18 |
brlcad |
okay |
17:50.23 |
brlcad |
do you know Wim? |
17:50.50 |
nvdstruis |
Wim Bokkers I presume ? Yes, he's a
collegue |
17:51.02 |
brlcad |
yes, he's the guy |
17:51.10 |
brlcad |
good to know |
17:51.15 |
brlcad |
sorry for the interruptions, continue
;) |
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nvdstruis |
so, I needed to evaluate so called shape
factors of components like walls in a compartment |
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nvdstruis |
they are an important parameter in radiation
heat transfer |
17:52.43 |
brlcad |
okay |
17:53.05 |
brlcad |
we do something similar in our analysis
codes |
17:53.09 |
nvdstruis |
analytical relations are available to
determine those shape factors for simple well defined
configurations |
17:53.25 |
nvdstruis |
like perpendicular rectangular
surfaces |
17:54.04 |
nvdstruis |
but a problem arises, because not all
compartments are perfectly shaped boxes :) |
17:54.19 |
brlcad |
i can imagine :) |
17:55.00 |
brlcad |
slightly unsquare peg into a square hole kind
of problem or more like a sphere into box problem? |
17:55.01 |
nvdstruis |
I read a book on radiation heat transfer and
found a so called Monte Carlo simulation to determine these shape
factors |
17:55.52 |
nvdstruis |
exactly, real world compartments with odd
shapes |
17:57.26 |
nvdstruis |
the Monte Carlo simulation says I should emit
a ray from a random surface position in a random direction, a lot
of times |
17:57.41 |
brlcad |
Btw, before I forget yet again, did you know
that you could have compiled and ran rtexample from the source
distribution? it gets built along with everything else -- cd
src/rt ; rm rtexample ; make rtexample |
17:57.49 |
brlcad |
it just doesn't get installed |
17:58.06 |
nvdstruis |
then I should evaluate I didn't kow |
17:58.09 |
nvdstruis |
know |
17:58.32 |
brlcad |
yes, monte carlo estimation is
useful |
17:58.41 |
brlcad |
it's can be very slow to converge
though |
17:59.12 |
nvdstruis |
yes, I hoped that with a fast library it could
be acceptable |
17:59.18 |
brlcad |
the photon mapping lighting model in brl-cad
is a pseudo monte carlo estimation |
17:59.54 |
nvdstruis |
why pseudo ? because it is somehow controlled
? |
18:00.20 |
brlcad |
how different are your various shape factors?
it might be easier to classify via some other known
metrics |
18:00.30 |
brlcad |
it is controlled/bounded |
18:01.06 |
brlcad |
it doesn't continue to a tolerance, it
continues to what you specify and it works in phases |
18:01.38 |
brlcad |
there's first a photon propagation step that
is a monte carlo distribution |
18:01.52 |
nvdstruis |
I don't really know how different the shape
factors are |
18:01.57 |
brlcad |
then multiple gathering and computation
phases |
18:02.38 |
nvdstruis |
I should check that out, could save a lot of
time |
18:02.42 |
brlcad |
if they are very well defined shapes that are
very different, you can know the shape information almost instantly
using the known object types |
18:03.30 |
brlcad |
but if the shapes are complex and only
slightly different, you are probably better off with a MC
simulation |
18:03.55 |
nvdstruis |
I would like to compare those two
options |
18:05.09 |
brlcad |
need to know what your shape factors are first
:) |
18:05.41 |
brlcad |
btw, you can tell bokkers that I'm hoping to
make some more progress on windows this weekend ;) |
18:06.03 |
nvdstruis |
ok, he's anxious I guess |
18:06.04 |
brlcad |
I feel bad that it's taken this long, but
there's been very little I can do about it officially |
18:06.18 |
brlcad |
i make progress on my own time when I
can |
18:06.45 |
nvdstruis |
I have similar time problems :) |
18:07.07 |
nvdstruis |
would like to learn better programming for
example |
18:07.08 |
brlcad |
the political environment is very unfavorable
right now for working on that, but being open source definitely has
helped |
18:07.18 |
brlcad |
we now have lots of groups openly working on
various problems |
18:07.37 |
nvdstruis |
has it worked out well, being open
source? |
18:07.53 |
brlcad |
it's worked out great.. |
18:07.54 |
nvdstruis |
because of feedback from users ? |
18:08.11 |
brlcad |
there's been an explosion of feedback and
interest |
18:08.27 |
nvdstruis |
cool, that's how it should be |
18:08.37 |
nvdstruis |
with all software |
18:08.37 |
brlcad |
we're the only open source solid modeler, with
a large existing userbase, with a fair bit of documentation
already |
18:08.57 |
brlcad |
millions of $$$ already invested, mature
cross-platform software |
18:09.12 |
brlcad |
now we just have to fix the dang modeler
:) |
18:09.24 |
brlcad |
make it less fugly |
18:09.31 |
nvdstruis |
:) fugly ?? |
18:09.38 |
brlcad |
f'ing ugly :) |
18:09.52 |
nvdstruis |
that's what I guessed :) |
18:10.25 |
nvdstruis |
I have to go, diner time |
18:10.33 |
nvdstruis |
I'll get back monday |
18:10.37 |
brlcad |
nice talking to you, cya around |
18:10.42 |
nvdstruis |
cya |
18:10.52 |
brlcad |
again, if nobody answers, go ahead and idle
and I'll respond |
18:11.03 |
brlcad |
and into the night he flees |
18:11.27 |
brlcad |
or maybe it was fleas |
18:12.08 |
brlcad |
onward and outbound, to the bellybutton and
beyond! |
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cad929 |
Can anyone help with a BRL-CAD OS X install
from CVS source? |