00:42.01 |
brlcad |
saw that |
02:19.02 |
narnia |
any thoughts on that peculiar
point-of-view? |
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BRL-CAD: 03lbutler *
10brlcad/src/rt/viewweight.c: |
04:06.05 |
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BRL-CAD: I created a simple test of a 1cm^3
block and got the wrong volume (reported with |
04:06.05 |
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BRL-CAD: inches despite the database being set
to cm). The constat compared to base3local |
04:06.05 |
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BRL-CAD: value was wrong for the g/cm^2 case,
as was the text label. |
04:06.05 |
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BRL-CAD: Both are now fixed. |
04:11.17 |
brlcad |
hmm.. i think the manpage says the units must
be inches.. but good he fixed it regardless :) |
04:11.59 |
brlcad |
narnia: well I suspect it's an issue
completely outside of control, not that I completely understand the
problem myself |
04:13.13 |
brlcad |
he's a nist guy and has probably as only a
small overall influence on the iso spec via the committee
agreement |
04:13.30 |
brlcad |
not to mention all of the vendors that support
the "feature" as-is already |
04:34.11 |
narnia |
my point is that several people who did reply
are on tc184-sc4 working groups since it is broken yet not fix
it. |
04:34.47 |
narnia |
they complain about 10303 not being adopted
well perhaps the reason is that it is broken. |
04:35.53 |
narnia |
my answer to ed barkmeyer is going to take
awhile to write and it will be long. |
04:39.00 |
brlcad |
well try not to burn your bridges with them
too much :) probably still need them for information regardless of
whether they individually have an influence .. |
04:40.09 |
narnia |
i mean look at the replies i received
concerning part201. there is no way anyone could claim to have
implemented part201. 10303-201-aim-long.exp is hosed. by correcting
it it is no longer 'official' 10303-201-aim-long.exp. |
04:40.15 |
brlcad |
i really doubt their adoption issues have much
to do with whether it's broken or not .. it took you weeks to
figure that out :) |
04:40.22 |
brlcad |
it's too complicated and too
expensive |
04:40.58 |
narnia |
i totally agree that it is too
complicated. |
04:41.29 |
brlcad |
i mean I almost chimed in when the guy
mentioned something about purchasing the whole spec .. |
04:41.40 |
brlcad |
that should not have cost 2k for the small
subset I have |
04:41.42 |
narnia |
it is a computer program written by
committe. |
04:42.49 |
narnia |
despite the continued disclaimer that express
language is not a programming language it is a programming
language. |
04:43.28 |
narnia |
the whole spec is over 20k. |
04:45.36 |
brlcad |
yep |
04:45.56 |
brlcad |
actually, the impression I got from our
librarians was that it was even more than that |
04:46.24 |
brlcad |
still, point in hand -- rediculous even if the
market is niche |
04:49.02 |
narnia |
yet another problem is that there is no audit
trail. which versions where used to create the long forms. that is
basic. |
04:52.14 |
narnia |
instead of fixing the problem they are off
doing stepmod project. what programming languages are they using a
dialect of common lisp and java (spit, gag, spit). |
04:54.05 |
brlcad |
heh |
04:54.18 |
narnia |
i do not know which i dislike more ada or
java. |
04:56.33 |
brlcad |
hmm.. i'd have to go with ada on that
one |
04:57.01 |
brlcad |
java has it's uses, ada is just
archaic |
04:57.35 |
narnia |
i know lisp, have not used it in years but i
did program in lisp for awhile. back when expert systems where the
current buzz phrase. lisp machines. symbolics computers. symbolics
operating systems was called a 'world'. i could crash the 'world'
and rebuild it in less than 7 days. ;-) |
04:59.31 |
brlcad |
i like the idea and language features of lisp,
the semantics aren't bad either .. syntax is tolerable .. it's just
impractical for end-user applications programming imo |
04:59.51 |
narnia |
i wrote one java program and that was to prove
that java was not going to hack it. ;-) |
05:04.25 |
narnia |
back in 2001 a client of motorola cellular
wanted to 'mine' the call records for analysis. they had 1 trillion
call records. they wanted to process 1 million call records every
15 minutes and they wanted to use java. my first question for them
was if they had any idea how long it would take. they had no clue.
i suggested they figure out how many years 15 million minutes was.
i them showed them that java would not hack the load of processing
that ma |
05:04.25 |
narnia |
ny call records. i ended up writing it in
perl. |
05:07.01 |
narnia |
btw, 15 million minutes is roughly 28.5
yrs. |
05:13.14 |
brlcad |
the story of my life |
05:13.18 |
brlcad |
as told by perl |
05:13.22 |
brlcad |
news at 11 |
05:13.31 |
brlcad |
(in smalltalk) |
05:25.40 |
narnia |
sorry had to whitelist some people. |
05:26.41 |
narnia |
after two days of just outstanding beautiful
weather we are back to normal april weather. cold and damp.
:-( |
05:28.39 |
brlcad |
it was mid 80's here today |
05:29.39 |
narnia |
we went from a high of 82 yesterday ( tuesday
) to a high of 52 today ( wednesday ). |
05:33.53 |
narnia |
it is currently 45?F Wind Speed: NE 15 MPH
Wind Chill: 38?F (3?C) |
05:34.22 |
narnia |
sleeping bag night. |
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BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/NEWS: fixed
rtweight cm units bug |
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17:28.47 |
narnia |
well that is really anti-social. while
downloading a file from tc183-sc4.org mozilla blew its little brain
out. awlful sight bits oozing out on the desktop from the fatal
head wound. |
17:46.21 |
narnia |
interesting topic on a linux channel:: IRC
where men are men, women are men, and little girls are FBI
agents. |
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BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/BUGS: rtarea
doesn't compute an area on smp linux pthreading systems |
19:28.00 |
narnia |
brlcad, any comments or thoughts on my reply
to ed barkmeyer of nist? |
20:52.37 |
brlcad |
narnia: looked pretty tactfully stated/asked
.. |
20:53.02 |
brlcad |
maybe you'll spark some motivation into them
to issue a fix |
21:10.07 |
narnia |
brlcad, i could have included more
documentation but i figured it was all ready long enough. |
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