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00:51.22 ace9101 anyone know what I have misconfigured if I get the following?
00:51.24 ace9101 mkdir .libs
00:51.24 ace9101 gcc -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -fPIC -g -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -fPIC -g -o .libs/fbserv fbserv.o -L/usr/X11R6/lib -L/usr/local/lib ../../src/libfb/.libs/libfb.so /home/jason/workspace/brlcad/src/libbu/.libs/libbu.so -lc -lpthread /home/jason/workspace/brlcad/src/libpkg/.libs/libpkg.so /home/jason/workspace/brlcad/src/other/libtcl/.libs/libtcl8.4.so -ldl -lnsl -lz -lm -lX11 -lXi -Wl,--rpath -Wl,/usr/brlcad/lib
00:51.24 ace9101 ../../src/libfb/.libs/libfb.so: undefined reference to `glPixelStorei'
00:51.24 ace9101 ../../src/libfb/.libs/libfb.so: undefined reference to `glDrawPixels'
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15:08.38 CIA-8 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/configure.ac: slight reorder since a system rle library may depend on libm, so check for libm first
15:11.16 CIA-8 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/adrt/Makefile.am: added maintainerclean of makefile.in
15:14.18 CIA-8 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/adrt/ (7 files in 7 dirs): using -lpthread, -lm, and the libtools .libs contents directly is not portable. changed to use the LIBTHREAD, LIBM defines. also changed to single entry per line for better diff tracking.
15:20.03 CIA-8 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/configure.ac: prefere -pthread over -lpthread on bsd if both are installed, prefer solis threading over pthreading too. pthreading is good default.
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18:07.44 learner down to only two platforms failing now
18:07.51 learner two fixed
18:07.52 Twingy_ for sdl?
18:08.09 Twingy_ ever think about maybe including sdl source as part of the package?
18:08.17 Twingy_ ...we include tcl/tk
18:08.28 learner counting two different sdl-related errors as one
18:08.54 learner have thought about it, but sdl is actually quite large
18:09.11 Twingy_ not as big as tcl/tk
18:09.26 learner we have tens of thousands of lines of tcl code, we don't have that much sdl code
18:09.38 Twingy_ I'm compiling a clean checkout of brlcad right now, gonna see if I get the mged core dump here
18:09.47 learner and what's there can be made optional pretty easily
18:09.50 Twingy_ well, we might if it's there ;)
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18:10.37 *** topic/#brlcad is http://brlcad.org/ || BRL-CAD is now Open Source! || Release 7.2.6 is now posted (20050612) || Several will be at Siggraph 2005, BoF meeting on Monday 11am-12noon || 'brlcad' is attending the 2005 International Conference on Shapes and Solids (Jun 13-17)
18:10.42 learner i've wanted to add an sdl libfb interface at some point, maybe a libdm one too
18:10.50 Twingy_ :)
18:11.29 Twingy_ the movers haven't come back yet
18:11.37 Twingy_ I want my new office dammnit
18:12.03 learner but even then.. i don't think it warrants the 2.5M extra sources just yet
18:12.11 learner is he fully out now?
18:12.20 Twingy_ yes, but not his stuff
18:12.28 learner so, then he's not
18:12.39 Twingy_ meh, 2.5M is small potatoes considering what's already there >:)
18:12.59 learner that's 2.5 compressed.. that's a lot of source to have to keep maintained
18:13.22 learner especially just to pop up a window
18:13.28 learner when that's what libfb does already
18:13.29 Twingy_ *shrug* I'd be happy if we just kept 1.2 there for the next 5 years
18:13.53 Twingy_ but sdl could replace libdb and handle a bunch of other stuff like sounds/joystick/...
18:14.02 Twingy_ err fb
18:14.04 learner would probably be easier to wrap a libdm window into adrt instead
18:14.20 Twingy_ does it do event handling for me?
18:14.35 learner some
18:14.47 Twingy_ and hardware blitting/double buffering etc?
18:14.57 learner yep
18:15.12 Twingy_ joystick support with rumble support? :)
18:15.48 learner that's not a good motivation to pick up the entire lib
18:16.14 learner could just as easily yoink the 2 files in sdl that provide rumble for that
18:16.18 Twingy_ *shrug* I'd just make it optional right now
18:16.48 Twingy_ the build that is
18:16.58 Twingy_ and if ya don't have sdl then it just doesn't build
18:16.59 learner that's what's being done
18:17.05 Twingy_ yah
18:17.17 learner that's just not working yet either
18:17.47 Twingy_ I can see a bunch of analysts going in the near future "ya know that demo you were doing for stryker that does that interactive stuff, what do I need to do that"
18:17.57 Twingy_ and I can see alot of people needing sdl installed on their boxen
18:19.13 learner like i said, for that, it would probably make more sense to make adrt use a libdm interface
18:19.15 Twingy_ I figure I'll just run around do the 4 or 5 people and install sdl on their boxes, no biggie
18:19.42 Twingy_ for development support alot more people are familiar with sdl than they are with libdm though *shrug*
18:20.00 Twingy_ sdl seems more open source friendly
18:20.11 learner friendly?
18:20.34 Twingy_ yah, thousands of people are familiar with libdm, a couple dozen are familiar with libdm ... if that
18:20.39 Twingy_ err sdl
18:20.56 Twingy_ so if some dudes wanna come in and upgrade the event code then they gotta learn libdm
18:21.15 learner i didn't say remove the sdl for libdm
18:21.20 Twingy_ ah
18:21.29 Twingy_ you mean have it use one or the other?
18:21.34 learner should be possible to make it switchable at compile-time
18:21.38 Twingy_ hrm
18:21.44 Twingy_ that'd require coming up with a wrapper
18:21.49 learner without losing features even
18:21.50 Twingy_ and redoing all the sdl code with the wrapper code
18:22.04 Twingy_ that could take a few days
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18:23.18 learner for 7.4, probably good with just getting what we have out there as is
18:23.25 learner weed out any other compile problems
18:23.26 Twingy_ k'
18:23.36 Twingy_ when do we want to announce 7,4?
18:23.53 learner heh
18:24.04 learner it's going out at the beginning of next month
18:24.09 Twingy_ k
18:24.29 Twingy_ we should try and get a slashdot post for it
18:24.53 learner monthly releases, effective code freeze around the last couple days at the end of a month until a release is posted
18:25.28 learner can try, but it'll be a hard one to get accepted
18:25.53 learner windows support would probably have a better chance
18:26.14 learner an image gallery would help make a post
18:26.48 Twingy_ mebe I'll burn a few cycles making "pretty" pictures
18:27.01 learner I didn't announce last months changes (half on purpose) so the change list for 7.4.0 is going to be pretty big
18:27.37 learner need the news writeup before too long, though, on just what was added
18:27.55 Twingy_ k, maybe I'll start on that wednesday
18:28.05 learner your stuff definitely deserves a paragraph or two of description
18:28.30 learner (in addition to the single lines)
18:29.02 Twingy_ I still got a bunch of code that needs done by jul 12
18:29.13 Twingy_ so I'll try and make time avail.
18:29.31 learner gonna make some brl-cad shirts for siggraph
18:29.46 Twingy_ aight
18:30.22 learner i don't mean like blender for handing out.. just a handful -- want one?
18:30.42 Twingy_ polo?
18:30.46 learner polo, tee, or tank
18:30.56 Twingy_ I wouldn't mind a polo
18:32.49 Twingy_ hrm
18:32.56 Twingy_ make install is doing something bad
18:33.48 Twingy_ ah
18:34.16 Twingy_ sigh
18:34.29 Twingy_ you have to leave the directory in the same place from star to finish auto to install
18:34.41 Twingy_ building from nfs is sooo slow :(
18:35.08 learner where all are there sdl components?
18:35.16 Twingy_ in the source?
18:35.22 learner right
18:35.31 Twingy_ about 5 or 6 files
18:35.39 learner igvt/master and observer, libutil, rise/observer ?
18:35.41 Twingy_ rise/master/master.c rise/slave/slave.c
18:35.48 Twingy_ igvt/master/master.c igvt/slave/slave.c
18:35.55 Twingy_ libutil/displa.c
18:36.00 Twingy_ libutil/display.c rather
18:36.15 Twingy_ that's mainly it
18:36.17 Twingy_ err
18:36.21 Twingy_ replace slave with observer
18:36.30 learner so what should it not build if sdl isn't available?
18:36.35 Twingy_ ah
18:36.36 learner everything?
18:36.40 Twingy_ just do't build the whole package
18:36.46 Twingy_ just print like...
18:36.54 Twingy_ NOT BUILDING ADRT, GET SDL FROM libsdl.org
18:37.10 learner that's what I mean though.. is there anything that could be built without it?
18:37.35 Twingy_ not really
18:37.47 Twingy_ nothing useful anyway
18:37.52 learner k
18:38.16 learner it'll be treated like librtserver then, which needs java
18:38.22 Twingy_ k
18:38.26 learner no java, skips it
18:38.43 Twingy_ configure will search for it though right?
18:38.49 learner right
18:39.04 Twingy_ aight
18:39.47 learner going to be a fair amount of extra checking to be certain, but easy enough to add
18:40.00 Twingy_ k
18:40.32 learner as for the pthread thing..
18:40.55 learner it should prefer -pthread now over -lpthread
18:40.56 Twingy_ if it aint broken don't fix it? *shrug*
18:41.04 Twingy_ for beastie?
18:41.12 learner oh it was broken
18:41.18 Twingy_ hrm?
18:41.22 learner build failures on bsd boxes without -lpthread
18:41.32 Twingy_ ah
18:41.38 learner default is just -pthread
18:41.44 Twingy_ so it likes -lpthead :)
18:41.52 Twingy_ -lpthread
18:42.04 learner they're the same interface, so it should just be a matter of recompiling and not mixing the two
18:42.21 Twingy_ you gonna make a $pthread var?
18:42.26 Twingy_ so it uses the right one?
18:42.28 learner there already was one
18:42.32 Twingy_ ah
18:42.34 Twingy_ good deal
18:42.43 learner same for -lm
18:42.47 learner not all systems have one
18:42.51 Twingy_ k'
18:47.10 Twingy_ that way it can throw all kinds of nifty gamma radiation at me
18:47.34 Twingy_ and I can mutate into something cool... like a ... bar of soap
18:56.45 Twingy_ hrm, almost done
18:57.08 Twingy_ Making all in db
18:57.08 Twingy_ ../src/conv/asc2g world.asc world.g
18:57.08 Twingy_ Segmentation fault (core dumped)
18:57.08 Twingy_ *** Error code 139
18:57.16 Twingy_ o.O
18:58.19 learner try just "rt"
18:58.26 Twingy_ hrm?
18:58.32 learner src/rt/rt
18:58.33 Twingy_ this is in compilation
18:58.52 Twingy_ [justin@shiva:/r/cluster/justin/brlcad]$ ./src/rt/rt
18:58.53 Twingy_ [justin@shiva:/r/cluster/justin/brlcad]$
18:59.00 Twingy_ \/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /r/cluster/justin/brlcad/src/rt/.libs/lt-rt: Undefined symbol "rt_verbosity"
19:00.07 learner is this a clean build?
19:00.09 Twingy_ no rush on that previous error ... adrt builds and installs
19:00.16 Twingy_ yah, just checked out from source farge
19:00.38 Twingy_ I could try building again, but it'll take some time
19:00.42 learner send me your config.log file
19:00.54 Twingy_ email?
19:00.59 learner i'll try building there too
19:01.01 learner sure
19:02.22 learner heh
19:03.43 Twingy_ emailed
19:04.52 learner should make a shirt with the detailed humvee rendering on the back
19:05.45 learner or better yet.. the m1a1 or t72 :)
19:12.05 Twingy_ ah
19:12.10 Twingy_ not the stryker mgs? ^_^
19:12.19 Twingy_ walk around with sensitive material on our shirts
19:12.20 Twingy_ heh
19:12.49 Twingy_ could do m1a2 I got or something
19:13.06 Twingy_ i think an external rendering of the mgs might not be prohibited
19:13.14 learner stryker's a bit fugly
19:13.27 Twingy_ hehe
19:13.39 learner a classic tank is pretty sexy
19:13.42 Twingy_ we should get shirts with electronic ink that have animations on them going
19:13.54 Twingy_ my shirt is raytracing at 1k rays/sec
19:14.06 learner heh, distributed :)
19:14.09 Twingy_ yes
19:14.12 learner "this box of shirts..."
19:14.13 Twingy_ via bluetooth
19:14.23 Twingy_ and a watch battery connected to a PIC
19:14.32 Twingy_ talk about the geekiest shirt ever
19:14.33 learner like the distributed palm thing they did in san diego
19:14.37 Twingy_ yah
19:14.46 Twingy_ I should port ADRT to the PIC
19:15.04 Twingy_ a watch battery would power a pic for months
19:15.12 Twingy_ and they can push 10 MIPS
19:16.05 archivist would that be downhill or uphill
19:20.23 Twingy_ there would be no hills involved
19:20.33 Twingy_ archivist, you get it to build yet?
19:22.49 archivist no havnt touched it since sat am, just getting vnc up on the box

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