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02:46.10 |
brlcad |
archivist: it looks like a bug in SDL's
sdl-config command which is used to specify what libraries SDL
requires -- it ends up adding libaa.a, which is apparently
dependant upon libgpm |
02:47.11 |
brlcad |
archivist: another user reported that their
libgpm libraries had invalid symbolic links after a similar
fresh/clean debian install -- did you check the links? |
03:58.56 |
Twingy |
brlcad, you see my msg earlier? |
04:00.49 |
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04:02.47 |
Twingy |
hi |
04:17.14 |
jrobey |
hello |
04:29.26 |
brlcad |
jrobey: howdy.. just figured out what
happened |
04:29.48 |
brlcad |
Twingy: yes, it was a change from a day or two
ago -- i'll fix it tomorrow |
04:30.16 |
brlcad |
you can work around it by setting the brlcad
root to /usr/brlcad/share/brlcad/7.3.0 |
04:33.19 |
Twingy |
k |
04:34.09 |
CIA-8 |
BRL-CAD: 03twingy *
10brlcad/src/adrt/rise/master/master.c: Added tenths of a percent
to rise progress. |
04:41.11 |
jrobey |
k, thanks |
04:41.23 |
jrobey |
howdy back atchya |
04:43.16 |
jrobey |
so, setting
BRLCAD_ROOT=/usr/brlcad/share/brlcad/7.3.0 should help? |
04:43.30 |
brlcad |
should, haven't tested it |
04:43.49 |
jrobey |
k, I was just making sure I had the right
variable |
04:43.56 |
jrobey |
giving me the same thing |
04:44.08 |
jrobey |
and it tab completed so 7.3.0 is
there |
04:44.09 |
brlcad |
is there a
/usr/brlcad/share/brlcad/7.3.0/tclscripts ? |
04:44.52 |
jrobey |
yes |
04:45.04 |
brlcad |
and it still gives the gui error or somethign
else? |
04:45.21 |
jrobey |
invalid command name "gui" |
04:45.38 |
brlcad |
hrmph |
04:45.48 |
jrobey |
jason@ice:/usr/brlcad/share/brlcad/7.3.0/tclscripts$
$BRLCAD_ROOT |
04:45.48 |
jrobey |
bash: /usr/brlcad/share/brlcad/7.3.0: is a
directory |
04:45.48 |
jrobey |
jason@ice:/usr/brlcad/share/brlcad/7.3.0/tclscripts$ |
04:46.05 |
jrobey |
jason@ice:~/workspace$ mged |
04:46.05 |
jrobey |
Initializing and backgrounding, please
wait...invalid command name "gui" |
04:46.11 |
brlcad |
unset the root var and try: cp -R
/usr/brlcad/share/brlcad/7.3.0/tclscripts /usr/brlcad/. |
04:46.20 |
jrobey |
k |
04:48.13 |
jrobey |
Initializing and backgrounding, please
wait...Unable to find 'html/manuals/mged' within the
BRL-CAD |
04:48.13 |
jrobey |
software installed in '/usr/brlcad'. |
04:48.13 |
jrobey |
This copy of BRL-CAD does not appear to be
fully installed. |
04:48.13 |
jrobey |
Please contact your system administrator for
assistance. |
04:48.14 |
jrobey |
bu_brlcad_path() |
04:48.14 |
jrobey |
bu_brlcad_path() |
04:48.18 |
jrobey |
did something new |
04:48.29 |
brlcad |
ahh, progress |
04:49.05 |
jrobey |
this is a good thing, then |
04:49.25 |
brlcad |
cp -R /usr/brlcad/share/brlcad/7.3.0/doc/html
/usr/brlcad/. |
04:50.08 |
jrobey |
I have windows! |
04:50.10 |
jrobey |
cool |
04:50.24 |
jrobey |
now I'll have to pull up the manual
again |
04:50.32 |
Twingy |
my house has some windows |
04:50.40 |
jrobey |
heh |
04:50.56 |
jrobey |
thanks, btw |
04:51.03 |
brlcad |
cool deal, have to fix those two things
tomorrow |
04:51.13 |
jrobey |
k |
04:51.23 |
brlcad |
restructuring the install paths to play better
with the packaging operating systems |
04:51.49 |
jrobey |
ah, like debian |
04:51.53 |
brlcad |
debian and gentoo folks in
particular |
04:52.32 |
brlcad |
and to a lesser extent the bsd folks |
04:52.44 |
jrobey |
nice systems, though |
04:53.13 |
jrobey |
of course I wouldn't fancy writing the gentoo
script, the .deb stuff, and that base apt stuff |
04:53.53 |
jrobey |
so, now back to rise |
04:54.00 |
jrobey |
I'll see if I can see the update,
now |
04:54.50 |
brlcad |
actually folks already provided the apt/deb
stuff for us |
04:54.53 |
jrobey |
still a no-go on that |
04:55.07 |
brlcad |
this will help it get out of unstable/testing,
though |
04:55.10 |
brlcad |
update of what? |
04:55.43 |
jrobey |
ah, cool--I was working w/ twingy on an update
of cvs -- wasn't seeing a change just committed |
04:55.51 |
jrobey |
still not seeing it |
04:56.03 |
jrobey |
maybe it's just bedtime ;) |
04:56.04 |
brlcad |
hrm, your on anonymous |
04:56.09 |
jrobey |
ah |
04:56.16 |
brlcad |
that has a delay of up to 5 hours |
04:56.35 |
brlcad |
i'll set your non-anon access |
04:56.58 |
jrobey |
cool, thanks |
04:57.22 |
brlcad |
done |
04:57.35 |
brlcad |
you'll have to recheckout/update via
non-anonymous |
04:58.01 |
jrobey |
k, will do |
04:58.04 |
brlcad |
or just wait for anon of course |
04:58.05 |
jrobey |
thanks |
04:58.12 |
brlcad |
no problem |
04:58.20 |
brlcad |
just be sure to read hacking if you plan on
commiting anything |
04:58.35 |
brlcad |
don't break anything ;) |
04:58.35 |
jrobey |
k, will do--plan on read-only for a
while |
04:58.39 |
jrobey |
heh, for sure |
04:59.13 |
jrobey |
I've been developing in Java for so long, I
don't think I could make a successful change--feel like I'm going
to school all over again |
04:59.30 |
brlcad |
hey, there's a java interface as you
discovered ;) |
04:59.37 |
brlcad |
it could use improvements |
04:59.52 |
jrobey |
yeah, I'll be playing with that--and would
love to make things better |
05:00.11 |
brlcad |
maybe even a proper java app or two have been
discussed |
05:00.24 |
jrobey |
looking to integrate some of these tools into
a project for school |
05:00.45 |
brlcad |
oh? |
05:00.59 |
jrobey |
well, I've got a fair bit of gui development
experience in Swing, AWT, SWT, and OpenGL in java |
05:01.34 |
jrobey |
yeah, I'd like to use some of the geometry
stuff and ray tracing in a simulation for autonomous, copettitive
agents |
05:01.52 |
jrobey |
try to build the simulation side and then the
robotic side for some simple agents |
05:01.56 |
brlcad |
I ran your agent app |
05:02.00 |
jrobey |
proof of concept for a visual
language |
05:02.05 |
jrobey |
cool, which one? |
05:02.10 |
brlcad |
at least one of them |
05:02.10 |
jrobey |
ShapeUp probably |
05:02.29 |
brlcad |
one you were working on with Brian |
05:02.49 |
jrobey |
did it have bubbles with links or a fault tree
thing |
05:03.04 |
jrobey |
? |
05:03.20 |
brlcad |
there was battlefield agents moving around,
various graphs of their fitness, etc |
05:03.29 |
jrobey |
ah, CoRBCAM |
05:03.33 |
brlcad |
yeah, that's it |
05:03.34 |
jrobey |
probably an old run |
05:03.43 |
jrobey |
that was using RePast--have made some
improvements |
05:03.50 |
jrobey |
but the gui isn't fully there yet-- |
05:03.54 |
brlcad |
:) |
05:03.59 |
jrobey |
mostly sim redesign for event based
stuffs |
05:04.12 |
jrobey |
yeah, that gui was somewhat
embarrassing |
05:04.31 |
jrobey |
basically seeing what I could do with a
library from another land |
05:04.31 |
brlcad |
proof of concept stuff often is ;) |
05:04.38 |
jrobey |
heh, yeah |
05:05.05 |
jrobey |
hey, what IDE do you use for C/C++
development? |
05:05.19 |
brlcad |
Emacs |
05:05.27 |
jrobey |
heh, cool |
05:05.56 |
jrobey |
somehow I skipped that--used vi a lot and a
nice little split screen editor on VAX/VMS |
05:06.02 |
jrobey |
now I use eclipse mostly |
05:06.24 |
brlcad |
ahh, yes eclipse is progressing |
05:06.37 |
Twingy |
nano baby |
05:06.38 |
jrobey |
yeah, its nice lately-even does ruby |
05:06.43 |
jrobey |
heh, cool |
05:07.02 |
jrobey |
i don't think I've ever used nano |
05:07.08 |
jrobey |
have it installed, though |
05:07.26 |
brlcad |
nobody except Twingy programs with nano after
any length of time.. |
05:07.37 |
brlcad |
he's really stubborn for some reason to learn
a real editor |
05:07.39 |
jrobey |
I've written a few editing plugins in
eclipse |
05:07.40 |
jrobey |
heh |
05:07.53 |
jrobey |
I know a few like that |
05:08.38 |
brlcad |
eclipse is one of the few gui editors I would
consider, but I'm fairly experienced and efficient with
emacs |
05:09.17 |
brlcad |
If I stick to just a single language, the
choices narrow a bit too |
05:09.18 |
Twingy |
something about an editor being more than
100kB just seems wrong :P |
05:09.18 |
jrobey |
yeah, I can understand that--would take me a
while to become as proficient in anything else as I am in
eclipse |
05:09.50 |
jrobey |
heh, we had a tech lead who thought the same,
and wrote an editor that was small and quick |
05:10.00 |
jrobey |
someone bought it for too little and now he
can't use it |
05:10.04 |
jrobey |
legally |
05:10.22 |
brlcad |
that usually means featureless too |
05:10.33 |
jrobey |
cvs.sourceforge.net
/cvsroot/brlcad? |
05:10.35 |
Twingy |
you mean like having a dishwasher in your
car? |
05:10.38 |
Twingy |
*pass* :) |
05:10.58 |
jrobey |
yeah, he was pretty proud of the multiple
paste buffers that were implemented and bound to different
keys |
05:10.59 |
brlcad |
so uninformed :P |
05:11.00 |
jrobey |
lol |
05:11.16 |
brlcad |
jrobey: yes, that's the root |
05:11.27 |
jrobey |
thanks |
05:11.39 |
brlcad |
cvs.sf.net works too |
05:13.23 |
jrobey |
k |
05:13.29 |
jrobey |
getting the latest now |
05:14.35 |
jrobey |
k, well, I'll leave that running for a
bit--thanks for the help and Twingy: I'll render the high-detail
after everything is down and built |
05:14.45 |
Twingy |
heh, have fun |
05:14.54 |
jrobey |
thanks |
05:14.56 |
jrobey |
laters |
05:14.57 |
Twingy |
get yourself some render nodes :) |
05:14.59 |
Twingy |
later |
05:15.06 |
jrobey |
heh, WILCO |
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05:15.22 |
Twingy |
all your render nodes are belong to
me |
05:16.26 |
brlcad |
have you benchmarked the performance
quantitatively yet of either the path or ray tracer? |
05:16.35 |
brlcad |
i.e. exact same setups, same output |
05:16.44 |
Twingy |
on what? |
05:17.10 |
brlcad |
on the path and ray tracer |
05:17.32 |
Twingy |
erm, a few hundred times over the past 15
months |
05:17.39 |
Twingy |
but stuff keeps changing |
05:17.45 |
Twingy |
so the numbers don't mean much |
05:18.05 |
brlcad |
same setups that produce the same
output? |
05:18.11 |
brlcad |
i hadn't seen that yet |
05:18.29 |
Twingy |
the path tracing better not produce the same
results... |
05:18.34 |
Twingy |
it's a convergence |
05:18.37 |
brlcad |
well that one yes |
05:18.52 |
brlcad |
it would just be time for that one, but for
the other it should be possible |
05:18.52 |
Twingy |
and I tossed phong out a while back |
05:18.57 |
Twingy |
just doing lambertian shading right
now |
05:19.00 |
Twingy |
so... |
05:19.09 |
Twingy |
and my geometry files keep changing |
05:19.24 |
Twingy |
cause I get bored of looking at the same thing
mainly |
05:19.28 |
brlcad |
so... |
05:19.30 |
brlcad |
you haven't |
05:19.34 |
Twingy |
correct-o |
05:19.41 |
brlcad |
k |
05:19.59 |
Twingy |
I suppose once it gets used for something
other than pretty pictures I might do something like that |
05:20.09 |
Twingy |
until then.. no point |
05:23.00 |
brlcad |
no point? it would be a quantitative metric,
makes for a much better selling case |
05:23.14 |
Twingy |
case for...? |
05:23.29 |
Twingy |
pretty pictures are an analogue
thing... |
05:23.53 |
brlcad |
case for being able to tell people that it's
actually faster than X |
05:24.12 |
Twingy |
ah |
05:24.13 |
brlcad |
it's come up a couple times when discussing
with others |
05:24.16 |
Twingy |
well whip up 2 humvee's |
05:24.24 |
Twingy |
throw the cameras at the same angle |
05:24.27 |
Twingy |
and shoot some rays... |
05:24.28 |
brlcad |
I'm not looking to do it |
05:24.33 |
brlcad |
i was just wondering if you had |
05:24.39 |
Twingy |
well I mean for the people who are
interested |
05:24.42 |
brlcad |
since it's what youv'e been working on after
all |
05:24.54 |
Twingy |
I did it once a blue moon ago |
05:25.03 |
Twingy |
about a year ago |
05:25.08 |
Twingy |
it was something like 21x faster at that
time |
05:25.19 |
Twingy |
like 4.5 minutes for rt and 18 seconds or
something for rise |
05:25.26 |
Twingy |
640x480 or something |
05:25.32 |
brlcad |
that wasn't the same model, iirc |
05:25.39 |
brlcad |
and not the same output |
05:25.39 |
Twingy |
yah it was |
05:25.43 |
Twingy |
the humvee was a bot |
05:25.55 |
Twingy |
they were both based off the same dxf
file |
05:26.16 |
Twingy |
and I had the cameras to within a degree of
each other |
05:26.23 |
Twingy |
and rounded the speedup down in favor of
rt |
05:26.41 |
Twingy |
both doing flat shading |
05:26.48 |
Twingy |
so it wasn't benchmarking render
code |
05:27.06 |
brlcad |
it's close, but still not
quantitative |
05:27.15 |
Twingy |
exactly, but close is all we need
here |
05:27.30 |
Twingy |
gives you 2 significant figures |
05:27.33 |
brlcad |
you've got to be kidding.. ?? |
05:27.35 |
Twingy |
that's all you really need for
comparisson |
05:27.47 |
Twingy |
when people go, how fast is Product A over
B |
05:27.53 |
Twingy |
you tell them 2.1, not 2.124981295 |
05:27.59 |
Twingy |
the brain doesn't work that way |
05:28.29 |
brlcad |
yeah, but if it can't even produce the same
output, it's not the same comparison |
05:28.41 |
Twingy |
right, but it's close 'nuff |
05:28.41 |
brlcad |
no matter how close |
05:28.52 |
Twingy |
that's why I give a *rough* estimate |
05:28.58 |
Twingy |
not 5 signif figures |
05:29.16 |
Twingy |
so when joe blow runs the app on X geometry
they can expect roughly a Y performance improvement |
05:29.59 |
brlcad |
more direct would be a csg tank vs a
sufficiently polygonalized version that produces the same pixel
output |
05:30.23 |
Twingy |
yah, that'd be kinda interesting, haven't done
any csg vs. polygon bench's yet |
05:30.47 |
Twingy |
though it's kinda weird trying to pick how
many triangles you should tesselate to |
05:31.00 |
Twingy |
that's kinda up to the user |
05:31.09 |
Twingy |
which makes the benchmark kinda
pointless |
05:31.12 |
Twingy |
but neat |
05:31.44 |
brlcad |
that's why I said same pixel output .. there's
a fairly exact threshold that should produce the same
pixel |
05:31.59 |
Twingy |
yah, but I mean, who wants to spend several
hours on that |
05:32.14 |
Twingy |
just like cleaning the kitchen floor with a
toothbrush... it's not terribly productive |
05:32.35 |
Twingy |
maybe a good job for a summer
student |
05:32.37 |
Twingy |
hrm... |
05:32.40 |
Twingy |
you've got me thinking now |
05:33.00 |
brlcad |
I disagree that it's not worth while -- that's
what's being proposed for an ultimatel replacement |
05:33.20 |
brlcad |
might as well test exactly what that is,
though I suppose it will sort of settle out of the muves
integration |
05:33.50 |
brlcad |
hey, speaking of student.. |
05:33.50 |
Twingy |
replacement? eek |
05:33.59 |
Twingy |
I don't think it should ever become a
replacement |
05:34.04 |
brlcad |
i heard one came in yesterday |
05:34.11 |
Twingy |
yah, I got one of em in my office |
05:34.11 |
brlcad |
that yours or mine? |
05:34.22 |
Twingy |
I'm not supposed to have any |
05:34.26 |
Twingy |
I'm just baby sitting for lee |
05:34.41 |
brlcad |
well, you're sitting on one, and I got the
other |
05:34.53 |
brlcad |
so is that one yours or mine? :) |
05:34.54 |
Twingy |
for this week anyway |
05:35.05 |
Twingy |
the one I got lee told me to look after for a
week |
05:35.17 |
brlcad |
ah, hrm.. that's different then |
05:37.10 |
Twingy |
my new gps arrived today :) |
05:37.15 |
Twingy |
good stuff |
05:37.57 |
brlcad |
what's the resolution? |
05:38.05 |
brlcad |
stable numbers? |
05:38.57 |
Twingy |
http://www.garmin.com/products/etrexVista/ |
05:39.17 |
Twingy |
built in compass and altimeter |
05:39.43 |
Twingy |
gps altimeter is worthless and gps compass is
worthless unless moving |
05:40.13 |
Twingy |
Harmon mean computation for earth geode is
crappy way to get altitude from sattelite :( |
05:40.53 |
Twingy |
got the suction cup window mount |
05:41.07 |
Twingy |
and a splitter for the lighter along with the
dc adapter for car |
05:41.19 |
Twingy |
the backlight is handy for night
driving |
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plaincad863 |
Has anyone been able to get BRLCAD to run on
later issues of Fedora? |
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archivist_ |
"add please have
patienceengravamet.co.uk |
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archivist_ |
oops wrong keybord ignore |
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Source! || Release 7.2.6 is now posted (20050612) || Several will
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