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| 05:07.31 | prasadSF | hallo |
| 05:07.49 | prasadSF | live from J1 |
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| 12:46.43 | tarzeau | hi |
| 12:46.58 | tarzeau | nobody made a package for debian yet? http://lists.debian.org/debian-wnpp/2005/01/msg00462.html |
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| 16:24.01 | brlcad | tarzeau: not yet |
| 16:24.39 | brlcad | tarzeau: the info on that url is rather out-dated |
| 16:26.22 | brlcad | the package name should be BRL-CAD, it's covered by multiple licenses, 7.2.6 is the latest (with 7.4.0 posting in about 10 days), the url should be http://brlcad.org, upstream author probably deserves some discussion |
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| 17:05.19 | Twingy_ | o.O |
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| 17:48.00 | tarzeau | brlcad: hi |
| 17:48.10 | tarzeau | is someone packaging it? |
| 17:48.26 | tarzeau | do you guys need help? i'd like to, since we want to use it at our campus, and i'm their debian hero guy ;) |
| 18:31.06 | brlcad | help is always welcome! :) |
| 18:31.52 | brlcad | tarzeau: as far as I know, nobody is actively packaging it so your help is more than welcome |
| 18:32.17 | brlcad | debian actually gives me more grief than almost all other platforms combined (except solaris, of course..) |
| 18:33.04 | brlcad | so that probably just goes to show that we do need more work on infrastructure support ;) |
| 18:34.27 | brlcad | tarzeau: the biggest hold-up was that BRL-CAD traditionally has preferred a single install root -- this does not bode well with most of the packaging systems that have arisen in the past decade or so (apt, portage, ports) |
| 18:34.39 | tarzeau | great! |
| 18:35.05 | tarzeau | but debian is the most easy one! |
| 18:35.06 | brlcad | so we've put a little effort in to allow for the more integrated install |
| 18:35.11 | brlcad | ~dict grief |
| 18:35.27 | brlcad | heh, dict ~= problems |
| 18:35.29 | tarzeau | ok it's good to know nobody works on it |
| 18:35.46 | Twingy_ | ~dict schism |
| 18:35.49 | tarzeau | so, that means, i will. and i will also want to talk with you, you are one of the developers of it? |
| 18:36.09 | brlcad | yes |
| 18:36.11 | tarzeau | you know there's software called "schism" (an impulse tracker clone) |
| 18:36.26 | tarzeau | brlcad was used for a presentation i've seen: ronja.twibright.com |
| 18:37.03 | brlcad | yes, the guy that runs ronja's been in here quite a bit |
| 18:37.13 | brlcad | very impressive use ;) |
| 18:37.27 | tarzeau | yep ;) |
| 18:37.44 | brlcad | he made those models in about a day after learning brl-cad |
| 18:37.44 | tarzeau | i've just downloaded the tar.gz today at work and i will look at it tomorrow |
| 18:37.54 | tarzeau | heh! i've learnt blender some time ago, |
| 18:38.00 | tarzeau | but of course it's something different |
| 18:39.15 | tarzeau | i think the "werkstatt" and "physics students" will profit from this software alot, when they have it ready to clickstart |
| 18:39.39 | tarzeau | looks like tcl/tk |
| 18:40.20 | tarzeau | there's no native (cocoa) port to os x, is there? |
| 18:41.04 | brlcad | there is not yet |
| 18:41.20 | brlcad | mged is a tcl/tk and C mix |
| 18:41.48 | tarzeau | is there one planned? |
| 18:41.56 | tarzeau | because if there is, you know about GNUstep ? ;) |
| 18:42.00 | brlcad | there is Aqua Tk that will give the proper look/feel, but when I last tried linking against that framework, it was woefully buggy |
| 18:42.25 | brlcad | that was, though, more than a year ago .. so it's definitely time to try AquaTk again |
| 18:42.44 | brlcad | with that, the "port" will be a simple recompile |
| 18:42.58 | brlcad | very aware of gnustep :) |
| 18:43.08 | tarzeau | good ;) |
| 18:44.40 | CIA-3 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/doc/html/ (13 files in 13 dirs): revert the new path changes and install the html docs into the datadir root until mged is fixed to find them in doc/ |
| 18:58.02 | brlcad | tarzeau: if I may ask, which school are you at? |
| 18:58.25 | tarzeau | {www,nic}.phys.ethz.ch |
| 18:59.02 | brlcad | that's a long name .. :) |
| 19:02.44 | tarzeau | well ETH in Z�rich |
| 19:02.49 | tarzeau | that's the webpages |
| 19:03.01 | tarzeau | where are you at? |
| 19:03.28 | brlcad | Maryland, US |
| 19:03.58 | brlcad | ETH is much shorter .. though I meant the full expansion :) |
| 19:26.25 | tarzeau | in german: eidgen�ssiche technische hochschule z�rich |
| 19:26.43 | tarzeau | in english: swiss federal institute of technologz zurich |
| 19:26.49 | tarzeau | think of it as mit.edu, just twice as big |
| 19:27.23 | tarzeau | http://www.seismo.ethz.ch/div/find_sed.html i'm in the 6 edged building |
| 19:27.33 | brlcad | yep |
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| 20:49.26 | tarzeau | heh clock- |
| 20:51.09 | clock- | tarzeau: heh |
| 20:51.56 | brlcad | heh |
| 20:52.03 | CIA-3 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/configure.ac: |
| 20:52.03 | CIA-3 | BRL-CAD: get rid of the duplicate automake hacking and just resolve to use |
| 20:52.03 | CIA-3 | BRL-CAD: AM_MAINTAINER_MODE for now. would also like no-dependencies but have not |
| 20:52.03 | CIA-3 | BRL-CAD: figured out how to dynamically set that option without causing vast troubles. |
| 20:52.03 | CIA-3 | BRL-CAD: (including AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE multiple times is apparently buggy for at least |
| 20:52.04 | CIA-3 | BRL-CAD: several versions of automake resulting in incorrect expansions in the resultant |
| 20:52.06 | CIA-3 | BRL-CAD: configure script (aclocal- problem)). |
| 21:05.45 | CIA-3 | BRL-CAD: 03twingy * 10brlcad/src/adrt/ (5 files in 3 dirs): |
| 21:05.45 | CIA-3 | BRL-CAD: Spawl cone rendering method now display as shaded red transparent. Added |
| 21:05.45 | CIA-3 | BRL-CAD: python hooks for getting and setting spawl angle. |
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| 21:58.17 | menotume | brlcad: are you causing trouble here ? |
| 21:59.47 | brlcad | of course |
| 21:59.54 | menotume | :D |
| 22:00.10 | brlcad | colors and plaids.. plaid's not a color? :) |
| 22:00.22 | menotume | no, it's a pattern of colors |
| 22:00.34 | menotume | IMHO |
| 22:01.39 | brlcad | :) |
| 22:02.05 | menotume | the conference is a bit more advanced than just 'solids' :p |
| 22:02.12 | brlcad | hehe |
| 22:02.27 | brlcad | who would have thought that someone would have a conference on color :) |
| 22:02.41 | menotume | or 'shapes and solids' ? |
| 22:02.50 | menotume | lol |
| 22:03.17 | brlcad | who hosts it? |
| 22:03.17 | archivist_ | especially if male |
| 22:03.22 | brlcad | acm/ieee? |
| 22:03.24 | menotume | Did you attend the seminar on triangles ? |
| 22:03.47 | brlcad | seminar on triangles? |
| 22:03.49 | brlcad | which one? :) |
| 22:03.54 | brlcad | there were lots |
| 22:04.01 | menotume | hehe |
| 22:04.25 | menotume | I heard the icoceles (sp) was truely angular |
| 22:05.18 | menotume | i better stop before i get booted for flooding :) |
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| 23:17.48 | CIA-3 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/configure.ac: AM_MAINTAINER_MODE cannot be in a conditional either, so let off be the default and auto-enable maintainer-mode if there is a CVS directory. |
| 23:27.56 | brlcad | yay, 64-bit amd linux build doesn't require manual path tweaking any more |
| 23:28.06 | brlcad | clean build |
| 23:34.02 | CIA-3 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/TODO: write up on adrt in NEWS |
| 23:35.39 | CIA-3 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/TODO: fix mged backgrounding when parent quickly fails (e.g. no DISPLAY) |
| 23:36.22 | menotume | yay. i was wondering when you were gonna fix that |
| 23:37.10 | menotume | i've never gotten a clean build on brlcad |
| 23:37.21 | brlcad | really? |
| 23:37.26 | menotume | really |
| 23:37.27 | brlcad | which system? |
| 23:37.33 | CIA-3 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/TODO: make X11 optional at configure-time |
| 23:37.42 | menotume | i've never tried to build it :) |
| 23:37.47 | brlcad | bah :) |
| 23:37.51 | menotume | rofl |
| 23:38.55 | brlcad | brl-cad's cross-platform support dwarfs bz (even though bz is much better than most), yet there are always still "issues" with some of them |
| 23:39.33 | brlcad | part of it is because we picked up an entirely new build system "recently" after about 15 years with another |
| 23:39.35 | menotume | yes, i would image |
| 23:39.38 | menotume | imagine |
| 23:39.45 | menotume | wow |
| 23:40.01 | menotume | is this more of a true 'CAD', or a scene renderere ? |
| 23:40.16 | brlcad | more of a true cad |
| 23:40.20 | brlcad | it's a solid modeling system |
| 23:40.22 | menotume | gotya |
| 23:41.02 | brlcad | image processing tools, rendering and some engineering analysis tools, a gui-based solid modeler |
| 23:41.26 | menotume | ahhh, the hubble render looks good |
| 23:41.28 | brlcad | geometry converters, procedural data generators |
| 23:41.42 | brlcad | meh, it's okay |
| 23:42.23 | brlcad | the render was never designed for realistic pictures, designed for numerical accuracy, stability, repeatability, etc |
| 23:42.25 | menotume | what kind of time did it take to render that final scene ? |
| 23:42.33 | menotume | gotya |
| 23:42.48 | brlcad | two new renders were just recently added though, that give the realism |
| 23:42.51 | menotume | just approx. minutes or hours ? |
| 23:43.26 | brlcad | which one? |
| 23:43.32 | menotume | hubble |
| 23:43.38 | brlcad | seconds |
| 23:43.45 | menotume | ahhh :) |
| 23:43.55 | brlcad | the raytracer is pretty darn fast :) |
| 23:43.56 | menotume | kewl |
| 23:44.10 | brlcad | though an even faster one was recently added too as part of adrt |
| 23:44.23 | menotume | i take it you can set up light(s) |
| 23:44.49 | brlcad | of course |
| 23:44.53 | menotume | :) |
| 23:45.07 | brlcad | here's one that was done with the adrt path tracer that you might have seen on #bz a while back |
| 23:45.11 | brlcad | http://bzflag.bz/tmp/humvee.png |
| 23:45.11 | menotume | ok, /me adds this to the near-top of the to-dolist: play with brlcad |
| 23:45.32 | brlcad | hey, don't play with me :) |
| 23:45.37 | brlcad | play with brl-cad ;) |
| 23:45.43 | menotume | hehe |
| 23:45.47 | menotume | that looks good |
| 23:46.01 | menotume | hmmm, no transparent objects ? |
| 23:46.35 | menotume | nice diffuse lighting there |
| 23:46.40 | brlcad | no, it can .. just was more simple to paint em gray |
| 23:46.48 | menotume | :) |
| 23:47.01 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/images/mged.jpg |
| 23:47.07 | menotume | ya, or you'd have to do some interior work |
| 23:48.01 | menotume | okies |
| 23:48.08 | menotume | some of that is right over my head |
| 23:48.20 | menotume | caustics percent, photons, etc. |
| 23:48.36 | menotume | 16 processors ? |
| 23:48.37 | brlcad | intentionally a bit "busy" |
| 23:48.50 | brlcad | it will scale to as many as you can thow at it |
| 23:49.14 | menotume | ahh haa. here, i can throw one at it :) |
| 23:49.22 | brlcad | hehe |
| 23:49.51 | menotume | nice - i must play woith it |
| 23:50.00 | brlcad | brl-cad's rt was actually the first parallel ray-tracer |
| 23:50.14 | menotume | ah haa |
| 23:50.17 | brlcad | 20 years ago or so |
| 23:50.23 | menotume | eeeesh |
| 23:50.34 | menotume | when you wwere 13, i take it ? |
| 23:50.55 | brlcad | so it's been designed to scale up from a single cpu to the biggest supercomputers (which it's run on regularly) |
| 23:51.41 | menotume | http://www.sicompos.com/oldsite/pcpos/index.html |
| 23:51.45 | brlcad | brl-cad's been under development since 1979 .. :) |
| 23:51.54 | menotume | that's about all i've done - with Corel Dream-3d years ago |
| 23:51.58 | brlcad | first released in '84 iirc |
| 23:52.11 | menotume | but, it was very detailed, connector panel, every little screw, etc. |
| 23:52.32 | menotume | http://www.sicompos.com/oldsite/pcpos/pics/fc01b.html |
| 23:52.36 | menotume | that's a better one |
| 23:52.37 | menotume | :) |
| 23:52.54 | menotume | I used to work there :) |
| 23:53.16 | brlcad | you could make a brl-cad model out of that quickly enough ;) |
| 23:53.27 | menotume | yeah |
| 23:53.27 | brlcad | and then perform ballistic analysis on it ;) |
| 23:53.32 | menotume | :) |
| 23:53.33 | Twingy | I'd have more fun making the actual unit |
| 23:53.42 | menotume | well, i did that |
| 23:54.05 | menotume | that is, i did the system s/w for it |
| 23:54.28 | Twingy | tell me you didn't hand code assembly :) |
| 23:54.33 | menotume | wish i had some of the old stuff i did still |
| 23:54.46 | menotume | made movies of the keyboards - how to replace an overlay |
| 23:54.57 | brlcad | blowtorch? |
| 23:55.44 | menotume | hehe, no the lid hinging up, overlays came out, etc. |
| 23:56.01 | menotume | wow, 1997 |
| 23:56.14 | menotume | eeesh, i am getting sooo old :) |
| 23:56.43 | brlcad | never too late to take up cad development ;) |
| 23:56.53 | menotume | heh |
| 23:57.05 | brlcad | uncle sam wants you! |
| 23:57.25 | brlcad | or would his niece samantha be more enticing? :) |
| 23:57.30 | menotume | how much does uncle pay ? :) |
| 23:57.40 | menotume | ahhh, fringe bennies |
| 23:57.58 | Twingy | hrm |
| 23:57.58 | Twingy | my UPS just kicked in |
| 23:58.12 | Twingy | blargh |
| 23:59.15 | menotume | ahh, missed that - no twingy, we had an assembler :) |
