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brlcad |
howdy K`zan |
03:03.33 |
Twingy |
dirka dirka dirka stan |
03:05.08 |
K`zan |
Hello brlcad |
03:05.34 |
K`zan |
Need a cad package for linux and looking at
the options :-). |
03:08.22 |
K`zan |
Uh, is this a cad package in the conventional
sense or a cad programming language ? |
03:08.30 |
brlcad |
lesse, as open-source there's pythoncad, qcad,
and of course now brl-cad |
03:08.38 |
brlcad |
it is a full-fledged cad package |
03:10.03 |
brlcad |
brl-cad's been developed over the past 20
years, with emphasis on solid modeling of military vehicles (e.g.
tanks, helicopters, etc) |
03:10.11 |
K`zan |
Thanks, docs are a bit confusing so far.
Assuming I knew something about autosketch, would it be in any way
familiar to that in terms of use. So far I have been using xfig
but am too rapidly outgrowing it and on a miller lite budget
:-(. |
03:10.51 |
brlcad |
when you say cad do you mean design/modeling
or drafting (cadd)? |
03:11.04 |
K`zan |
My needs are considerably simpler, some
equipment / furniture drawing and just a general "draw-er-up"
mostly in 2D most of the time anyway. |
03:11.33 |
K`zan |
drafting is more what I need. Anything else
is gravy that wouldn't be used often at all. |
03:11.37 |
brlcad |
brl-cad's much (MUCH) more focused on 3D
geometry and modeling techniques for various reasons |
03:11.48 |
brlcad |
though there is a 2D sketch
primitive |
03:12.05 |
brlcad |
and a sketcher interface for modeling them in
2d |
03:12.28 |
K`zan |
What lead me to this was I am currently
designing a rather simple workstation but 3D in this case would be
really handy :-). |
03:12.31 |
brlcad |
it's not at all up to par with other drafting
tools, though, which might be more in line with what you're more
familiar with |
03:13.12 |
brlcad |
something like qcad for example |
03:13.20 |
K`zan |
:-) as noted, miller lite budget on a good day
here. Plus I'm doing this mostly for myself in whatever projects I
just happen to get inspired to do... |
03:13.28 |
brlcad |
but if you want to jump to 3d, brl-cad is
pretty much the only solid modeler open source |
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BRL-CAD: 03twingy *
10brlcad/src/conv/g-adrt.c: more total tri_num stuff |
03:13.44 |
K`zan |
So I noticed :-). |
03:14.12 |
brlcad |
if you're a dev, 2d improvements wouldn't be
rejected ;) |
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BRL-CAD: 03twingy *
10brlcad/src/adrt/libcommon/ (pack.c unpack.c): total tri num
stuff. |
03:14.26 |
K`zan |
Well, I just grabbed the source, so I can at
least compile it and see how I fit into it. |
03:14.26 |
brlcad |
have you read some of the
documentation |
03:14.48 |
K`zan |
DOwnloaded what looks to be docs, I am
*assuming* that will be in the source package. |
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BRL-CAD: 03twingy *
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03:15.06 |
brlcad |
reading the mged tutorials will probably give
you a good/better ideo of the modeling techniques |
03:15.18 |
brlcad |
the docs are on the website, http://brlcad.org |
03:15.31 |
brlcad |
the docs in the source are okay, but somewhat
older |
03:16.06 |
K`zan |
THis might be very handy, but any cad package
is a fill in thing and not a full time job, more support for
whatever I am doing. Would rather not have to spend 2 years
learning to use it :-) |
03:16.44 |
brlcad |
it should pretty much only take a couple days
to get through all the tutorials |
03:16.57 |
brlcad |
we've had summer students make it through them
in less than a day |
03:17.27 |
K`zan |
Ok, sounds like a plan, after all to do some
of the stuff I saw there, you got to build the parts and that is
mostly CAD, I would think. |
03:17.32 |
brlcad |
that will give you the foundation for modeling
almost anything |
03:17.38 |
K`zan |
I'll go ahead and build it and see how it
works out. |
03:17.49 |
brlcad |
sounds good |
03:18.03 |
brlcad |
if you run into any trouble, feel free to hop
in here and ask or post it up |
03:18.05 |
K`zan |
Played with some of the modeling stuff for
flight sim related stuff and just drowned :-/. |
03:18.31 |
K`zan |
THey say GMAX is supposed to be easy, but I
have a fundamental problem with m$ stuff :). |
03:18.42 |
brlcad |
mged's interface is rather expert-driven
(unfortunately) meaning that you have to learn a handful of
commands before you can run with it |
03:19.03 |
brlcad |
there's little interface discovery possible,
you really have to go through the tutorials |
03:19.17 |
K`zan |
That shouldn't bve a big problem after
autocad/sketch and xfig :-). |
03:19.39 |
brlcad |
there are new modelers under development that
fix this problem, but they won't be in beta for a long
time |
03:19.41 |
K`zan |
Good, I like to read, will capture it to the
Zire and take it with me. |
03:19.52 |
brlcad |
you found the pdf? |
03:20.03 |
K`zan |
Got a couple so far. |
03:20.28 |
brlcad |
the first three are the most
important |
03:20.53 |
K`zan |
These: |
03:20.56 |
K`zan |
# Overview of BRL-CAD |
03:20.59 |
K`zan |
# Introduction to MGED |
03:21.01 |
K`zan |
# Principles of Effective Modeling |
03:21.02 |
brlcad |
another thing to keep in mind is that mged,
while the core modeler, is only 1 of over 400 tools in
brl-cad |
03:21.06 |
brlcad |
yes |
03:21.23 |
K`zan |
Sounds like enough to keep a learning junkie
busy for a while :-). |
03:21.37 |
brlcad |
yep :) |
03:22.02 |
K`zan |
Okdokee, will build it up and go through the
tutorials and see what happens. Very much appreciate your help and
guidance here! |
03:22.11 |
K`zan |
l |
03:22.15 |
brlcad |
you can do most of the modeling from inside
mged until you get to more advanced techniques |
03:22.23 |
brlcad |
no problem |
03:22.26 |
brlcad |
have fun |
03:22.54 |
K`zan |
tar -xjvf ~/zdl/ |
03:22.59 |
K`zan |
oops |
03:23.00 |
brlcad |
hehe |
03:23.14 |
K`zan |
I'll probably be back to amaze y'all with my
density :-). |
03:23.17 |
K`zan |
THanks again! |
03:24.00 |
K`zan |
Hunm, seems to expect it's own
user... |
03:24.05 |
K`zan |
l |
03:25.46 |
K`zan |
I think I got binary rather than source,
checking.... |
03:26.09 |
brlcad |
default configure will prepare to install into
/usr/brlcad |
03:26.24 |
brlcad |
if you unpack and only find a usr dir, you've
got a binary |
03:26.40 |
brlcad |
you could copy usr/brlcad to /usr/brlcad and
you'd be good to go |
03:26.53 |
brlcad |
have to add /usr/brlcad/bin to your
path |
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K`zan |
brlcad: Thanks, did that, LOTS of stuff in the
bin directory (/me is a bit intimidated, but onward :-). |
03:42.29 |
K`zan |
Off to read! |
03:44.28 |
brlcad |
welcome! |
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(struct.h tie.c tie.h): support for unknown triangle number at
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03:45.58 |
PKMOBILE |
wassap! |
03:46.09 |
Twingy |
EY DER |
03:47.34 |
brlcad |
Twingy: your intention to get those changes in
in time for 7.6 or just commiting? |
03:48.22 |
Twingy |
just commiting |
03:48.57 |
Twingy |
until I get a user community I won't be
concerned whether changes make a specific release or not |
03:49.04 |
brlcad |
k |
03:49.15 |
Twingy |
so probly next couple releases will be same
deal |
03:49.33 |
PKMOBILE |
he wants some fans! |
03:49.45 |
brlcad |
if you can capture a screenshot or two of
isst, I'll put it in the release notes |
03:49.50 |
Twingy |
I prefer air conditioning |
03:50.10 |
PKMOBILE |
so do i unfortunately we've been "saving
electricity" |
03:50.11 |
Twingy |
I dunno if I'm ready for sceenies of it
yet |
03:50.38 |
brlcad |
well, this will be the release that announces
it since it's the first to include it |
03:51.18 |
Twingy |
yea, but, I suspect nobody will
care... |
03:51.54 |
brlcad |
people like pics |
03:52.06 |
brlcad |
and the notes are read, I get feedback on most
releases |
03:52.07 |
Twingy |
but if you show them pics, they'll want to use
it |
03:52.10 |
Twingy |
and it's not mature software |
03:52.14 |
Twingy |
it's expert friendly |
03:52.24 |
brlcad |
people know that or they're told |
03:52.46 |
Twingy |
a video would be more telling... |
03:52.52 |
brlcad |
it's a point 0 release anyways, goes with the
nature of monthly releases |
03:52.55 |
Twingy |
we could post an mpeg or something |
03:53.10 |
brlcad |
a video would be, though you'd have to remake
one |
03:53.15 |
Twingy |
already made |
03:53.40 |
brlcad |
i doubt it's releasable without form
1'ing |
03:53.45 |
Twingy |
cept lee wants to make his own version from my
footage *shrug* |
03:53.54 |
Twingy |
so I'd poke him |
03:54.10 |
brlcad |
which vehicle was that? |
03:54.16 |
Twingy |
stryker |
03:54.21 |
brlcad |
heh, yeah |
03:54.41 |
Twingy |
I could model a box |
03:54.45 |
Twingy |
and fly around it :) |
03:54.56 |
Twingy |
it'd compliment blender |
03:54.58 |
brlcad |
or your boat thing :) |
03:55.02 |
brlcad |
or the truck |
03:55.05 |
Twingy |
hrm, that reminds me |
03:55.11 |
Twingy |
I need to test the boat again.. |
03:55.32 |
brlcad |
i need to press the air force again on their
models |
03:55.40 |
brlcad |
some of those are silly to not
release |
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(isst/master/master.c libtie/tie.c): investigating
tie->free() |
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K`zan |
Nigth all |
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PKMOBILE |
time to do domain registrations
again |
07:47.12 |
PKMOBILE |
dont want any darn squatters taking the
osgaming one |
07:48.15 |
PKMOBILE |
guess ill do that tomorrow |
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PKMOBILE |
gnight world! |
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docelic |
good day |
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brlcad |
day good |
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lih82 |
hello everyone |
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prasad_ |
sean |
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lih82 |
whois prasad_ |
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lih82 |
oops |
18:51.05 |
lih82 |
sorry, I was looking for help in compiling
brlcad to mac os x 64-bit |
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prasad_ |
np |
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brlcad |
lih: hello |
20:35.55 |
brlcad |
sorry, I was away .. probably writing an
e-mail to you if you're who I think you are |
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lih |
hi Sean |
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lih |
I just got your e-mail |
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lih |
I am reading it right now |
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brlcad |
hello docelic, how goes it |
21:16.34 |
docelic |
howdy' |
21:16.45 |
docelic |
quite fine, reading up some bits for
tomorrow |
21:17.01 |
docelic |
how about you? |
21:17.16 |
brlcad |
pretty good |
21:17.23 |
brlcad |
taking the day off is always nice ;) |
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BRL-CAD: 03brlcad *
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BRL-CAD: add support for manual pages.
brl-cad's gfdl documentation is actually |
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BRL-CAD: dual-licensed so customize the
comment block to include that detail. less and |
23:01.18 |
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BRL-CAD: other pagers that recognize and
auto-format manpages don't work if comment is |
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BRL-CAD: first, so make the comment block come
after the .TH |
23:07.25 |
Twingy |
prasad, lisa was asking where you were
today |
23:09.28 |
docelic |
who's prasad ?:) |
23:09.45 |
Twingy |
a co-worker |
23:10.47 |
docelic |
lol a funny name.. in Croatian, word "prasad"
is a singular for a group of pigs... |
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docelic |
(no offense anyone, of course ;) |
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brlcad |
heh |
23:17.31 |
brlcad |
i'm sure he'll be glad to know that tid bit of
information |
23:17.51 |
docelic |
;-) |