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01:03.54 CIA-5 BRL-CAD: 03twingy * 10brlcad/src/adrt/ (9 files in 6 dirs): Aggressive prep is about 3.3x faster now. Fixed a few Makefile.am's.
01:52.30 CIA-5 BRL-CAD: 03twingy * 10brlcad/src/adrt/doc/binary_spec.txt: updated binary spec.
02:14.39 CIA-5 BRL-CAD: 03twingy * 10brlcad/src/conv/ (Makefile.am g-adrt.c): total tri num at byte position 4.
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03:00.23 brlcad howdy K`zan
03:03.33 Twingy dirka dirka dirka stan
03:05.08 K`zan Hello brlcad
03:05.34 K`zan Need a cad package for linux and looking at the options :-).
03:08.22 K`zan Uh, is this a cad package in the conventional sense or a cad programming language ?
03:08.30 brlcad lesse, as open-source there's pythoncad, qcad, and of course now brl-cad
03:08.38 brlcad it is a full-fledged cad package
03:10.03 brlcad brl-cad's been developed over the past 20 years, with emphasis on solid modeling of military vehicles (e.g. tanks, helicopters, etc)
03:10.11 K`zan Thanks, docs are a bit confusing so far. Assuming I knew something about autosketch, would it be in any way familiar to that in terms of use. So far I have been using xfig but am too rapidly outgrowing it and on a miller lite budget :-(.
03:10.51 brlcad when you say cad do you mean design/modeling or drafting (cadd)?
03:11.04 K`zan My needs are considerably simpler, some equipment / furniture drawing and just a general "draw-er-up" mostly in 2D most of the time anyway.
03:11.33 K`zan drafting is more what I need. Anything else is gravy that wouldn't be used often at all.
03:11.37 brlcad brl-cad's much (MUCH) more focused on 3D geometry and modeling techniques for various reasons
03:11.48 brlcad though there is a 2D sketch primitive
03:12.05 brlcad and a sketcher interface for modeling them in 2d
03:12.28 K`zan What lead me to this was I am currently designing a rather simple workstation but 3D in this case would be really handy :-).
03:12.31 brlcad it's not at all up to par with other drafting tools, though, which might be more in line with what you're more familiar with
03:13.12 brlcad something like qcad for example
03:13.20 K`zan :-) as noted, miller lite budget on a good day here. Plus I'm doing this mostly for myself in whatever projects I just happen to get inspired to do...
03:13.28 brlcad but if you want to jump to 3d, brl-cad is pretty much the only solid modeler open source
03:13.41 CIA-5 BRL-CAD: 03twingy * 10brlcad/src/conv/g-adrt.c: more total tri_num stuff
03:13.44 K`zan So I noticed :-).
03:14.12 brlcad if you're a dev, 2d improvements wouldn't be rejected ;)
03:14.25 CIA-5 BRL-CAD: 03twingy * 10brlcad/src/adrt/libcommon/ (pack.c unpack.c): total tri num stuff.
03:14.26 K`zan Well, I just grabbed the source, so I can at least compile it and see how I fit into it.
03:14.26 brlcad have you read some of the documentation
03:14.48 K`zan DOwnloaded what looks to be docs, I am *assuming* that will be in the source package.
03:14.52 CIA-5 BRL-CAD: 03twingy * 10brlcad/src/adrt/libcommon/pack.c: removed prints
03:15.06 brlcad reading the mged tutorials will probably give you a good/better ideo of the modeling techniques
03:15.18 brlcad the docs are on the website, http://brlcad.org
03:15.31 brlcad the docs in the source are okay, but somewhat older
03:16.06 K`zan THis might be very handy, but any cad package is a fill in thing and not a full time job, more support for whatever I am doing. Would rather not have to spend 2 years learning to use it :-)
03:16.44 brlcad it should pretty much only take a couple days to get through all the tutorials
03:16.57 brlcad we've had summer students make it through them in less than a day
03:17.27 K`zan Ok, sounds like a plan, after all to do some of the stuff I saw there, you got to build the parts and that is mostly CAD, I would think.
03:17.32 brlcad that will give you the foundation for modeling almost anything
03:17.38 K`zan I'll go ahead and build it and see how it works out.
03:17.49 brlcad sounds good
03:18.03 brlcad if you run into any trouble, feel free to hop in here and ask or post it up
03:18.05 K`zan Played with some of the modeling stuff for flight sim related stuff and just drowned :-/.
03:18.31 K`zan THey say GMAX is supposed to be easy, but I have a fundamental problem with m$ stuff :).
03:18.42 brlcad mged's interface is rather expert-driven (unfortunately) meaning that you have to learn a handful of commands before you can run with it
03:19.03 brlcad there's little interface discovery possible, you really have to go through the tutorials
03:19.17 K`zan That shouldn't bve a big problem after autocad/sketch and xfig :-).
03:19.39 brlcad there are new modelers under development that fix this problem, but they won't be in beta for a long time
03:19.41 K`zan Good, I like to read, will capture it to the Zire and take it with me.
03:19.52 brlcad you found the pdf?
03:20.03 K`zan Got a couple so far.
03:20.28 brlcad the first three are the most important
03:20.53 K`zan These:
03:20.56 K`zan # Overview of BRL-CAD
03:20.59 K`zan # Introduction to MGED
03:21.01 K`zan # Principles of Effective Modeling
03:21.02 brlcad another thing to keep in mind is that mged, while the core modeler, is only 1 of over 400 tools in brl-cad
03:21.06 brlcad yes
03:21.23 K`zan Sounds like enough to keep a learning junkie busy for a while :-).
03:21.37 brlcad yep :)
03:22.02 K`zan Okdokee, will build it up and go through the tutorials and see what happens. Very much appreciate your help and guidance here!
03:22.11 K`zan l
03:22.15 brlcad you can do most of the modeling from inside mged until you get to more advanced techniques
03:22.23 brlcad no problem
03:22.26 brlcad have fun
03:22.54 K`zan tar -xjvf ~/zdl/
03:22.59 K`zan oops
03:23.00 brlcad hehe
03:23.14 K`zan I'll probably be back to amaze y'all with my density :-).
03:23.17 K`zan THanks again!
03:24.00 K`zan Hunm, seems to expect it's own user...
03:24.05 K`zan l
03:25.46 K`zan I think I got binary rather than source, checking....
03:26.09 brlcad default configure will prepare to install into /usr/brlcad
03:26.24 brlcad if you unpack and only find a usr dir, you've got a binary
03:26.40 brlcad you could copy usr/brlcad to /usr/brlcad and you'd be good to go
03:26.53 brlcad have to add /usr/brlcad/bin to your path
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03:42.13 K`zan brlcad: Thanks, did that, LOTS of stuff in the bin directory (/me is a bit intimidated, but onward :-).
03:42.29 K`zan Off to read!
03:44.28 brlcad welcome!
03:45.44 CIA-5 BRL-CAD: 03twingy * 10brlcad/src/adrt/libtie/ (struct.h tie.c tie.h): support for unknown triangle number at tie_init()
03:45.58 PKMOBILE wassap!
03:46.09 Twingy EY DER
03:47.34 brlcad Twingy: your intention to get those changes in in time for 7.6 or just commiting?
03:48.22 Twingy just commiting
03:48.57 Twingy until I get a user community I won't be concerned whether changes make a specific release or not
03:49.04 brlcad k
03:49.15 Twingy so probly next couple releases will be same deal
03:49.33 PKMOBILE he wants some fans!
03:49.45 brlcad if you can capture a screenshot or two of isst, I'll put it in the release notes
03:49.50 Twingy I prefer air conditioning
03:50.10 PKMOBILE so do i unfortunately we've been "saving electricity"
03:50.11 Twingy I dunno if I'm ready for sceenies of it yet
03:50.38 brlcad well, this will be the release that announces it since it's the first to include it
03:51.18 Twingy yea, but, I suspect nobody will care...
03:51.54 brlcad people like pics
03:52.06 brlcad and the notes are read, I get feedback on most releases
03:52.07 Twingy but if you show them pics, they'll want to use it
03:52.10 Twingy and it's not mature software
03:52.14 Twingy it's expert friendly
03:52.24 brlcad people know that or they're told
03:52.46 Twingy a video would be more telling...
03:52.52 brlcad it's a point 0 release anyways, goes with the nature of monthly releases
03:52.55 Twingy we could post an mpeg or something
03:53.10 brlcad a video would be, though you'd have to remake one
03:53.15 Twingy already made
03:53.40 brlcad i doubt it's releasable without form 1'ing
03:53.45 Twingy cept lee wants to make his own version from my footage *shrug*
03:53.54 Twingy so I'd poke him
03:54.10 brlcad which vehicle was that?
03:54.16 Twingy stryker
03:54.21 brlcad heh, yeah
03:54.41 Twingy I could model a box
03:54.45 Twingy and fly around it :)
03:54.56 Twingy it'd compliment blender
03:54.58 brlcad or your boat thing :)
03:55.02 brlcad or the truck
03:55.05 Twingy hrm, that reminds me
03:55.11 Twingy I need to test the boat again..
03:55.32 brlcad i need to press the air force again on their models
03:55.40 brlcad some of those are silly to not release
06:12.10 CIA-5 BRL-CAD: 03twingy * 10brlcad/src/adrt/isst/master/isst_python.c: dump is now save. added a load command. both have verbose output.
06:29.15 CIA-5 BRL-CAD: 03twingy * 10brlcad/src/adrt/ (isst/master/master.c libtie/tie.c): investigating tie->free()
06:51.55 K`zan Nigth all
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07:46.56 PKMOBILE time to do domain registrations again
07:47.12 PKMOBILE dont want any darn squatters taking the osgaming one
07:48.15 PKMOBILE guess ill do that tomorrow
07:48.19 PKMOBILE gnight world!
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15:59.56 *** join/#brlcad docelic (n=docelic@ri02-186.dialin.iskon.hr)
16:00.03 docelic good day
16:12.23 brlcad day good
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18:45.52 lih82 hello everyone
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18:49.57 prasad_ sean
18:50.21 lih82 whois prasad_
18:50.24 lih82 oops
18:51.05 lih82 sorry, I was looking for help in compiling brlcad to mac os x 64-bit
18:53.56 prasad_ np
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20:34.55 brlcad lih: hello
20:35.55 brlcad sorry, I was away .. probably writing an e-mail to you if you're who I think you are
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21:00.41 lih hi Sean
21:00.49 lih I just got your e-mail
21:00.55 lih I am reading it right now
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21:16.07 brlcad hello docelic, how goes it
21:16.34 docelic howdy'
21:16.45 docelic quite fine, reading up some bits for tomorrow
21:17.01 docelic how about you?
21:17.16 brlcad pretty good
21:17.23 brlcad taking the day off is always nice ;)
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23:01.18 CIA-5 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/sh/header.sh:
23:01.18 CIA-5 BRL-CAD: add support for manual pages. brl-cad's gfdl documentation is actually
23:01.18 CIA-5 BRL-CAD: dual-licensed so customize the comment block to include that detail. less and
23:01.18 CIA-5 BRL-CAD: other pagers that recognize and auto-format manpages don't work if comment is
23:01.18 CIA-5 BRL-CAD: first, so make the comment block come after the .TH
23:07.25 Twingy prasad, lisa was asking where you were today
23:09.28 docelic who's prasad ?:)
23:09.45 Twingy a co-worker
23:10.47 docelic lol a funny name.. in Croatian, word "prasad" is a singular for a group of pigs...
23:11.01 docelic (no offense anyone, of course ;)
23:17.09 brlcad heh
23:17.31 brlcad i'm sure he'll be glad to know that tid bit of information
23:17.51 docelic ;-)

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