| 00:00.25 | brlcad | yeah, that's not yet released |
| 00:00.47 | brlcad | that's effectively what's on that branch, though |
| 00:02.38 | AchiestDragon | will it compile for linux or is it just for win at the moment |
| 00:04.46 | brlcad | i haven't tested building that branch recently, it's being left somewhat alone so the dev can make the windows release more easily |
| 00:05.01 | AchiestDragon | k |
| 00:05.10 | brlcad | archer itself isn't a porting/compiling issue -- it'll just work |
| 00:05.33 | brlcad | the bigger untested question is if all the Makefile.am's are updated with the right stuff so that it actually makes it through the build |
| 00:06.01 | brlcad | I believe he recently did a test on linux, so it should be working |
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| 00:06.46 | cad787 | hello |
| 00:06.49 | brlcad | hello |
| 00:07.03 | cad787 | I can't get BRL-CAD to work on Mac OS X. |
| 00:07.08 | docelic | hello |
| 00:07.47 | brlcad | cad787: run /Applications/Utilities/X11 and type /usr/brlcad/bin/mged in the xterm that opens up |
| 00:07.54 | cad787 | oh |
| 00:07.57 | cad787 | ill try |
| 00:08.29 | brlcad | that surprisingly seems to be the question of the month.. :) |
| 00:09.10 | tegtmeye | mr. brlcad... I can't get BRLCAD to *compile* on Mac OSX...:) |
| 00:09.18 | brlcad | cad787, the X11 dependency will be going away shortly, but right now it's required |
| 00:09.33 | brlcad | tegtmeye: really? what's it saying? |
| 00:09.55 | tegtmeye | still the same old Framework complaints... |
| 00:10.08 | brlcad | ooh, you mean adrt |
| 00:10.50 | tegtmeye | well, actually, I just downgraded to a previous version from Justin and haven't updated in a while... JK |
| 00:11.07 | tegtmeye | it was BRLCAD though... |
| 00:11.38 | brlcad | that's a slightly different ball of wax .. |
| 00:12.16 | brlcad | edit src/adrt/isst/master/Makefile.am and change isst_master_LDFLAGS = -static to isst_master_LDFLAGS = -static -framework Python |
| 00:12.23 | brlcad | and |
| 00:12.49 | brlcad | isst_master_CFLAGS = @SDL_CFLAGS@ -D__STRICT_ANSI__ -I.. -I${top_srcdir}/src/adrt/libtie -I${top_srcdir}/src/adrt/libtienet -I${top_srcdir}/src/adrt/libtexture -I${top_srcdir}/src/adrt/libcommon -I${top_srcdir}/src/adrt/librender -I${top_srcdir}/src/adrt/libutil -I${top_srcdir}/src/adrt/isst |
| 00:13.15 | tegtmeye | is this in cvs? |
| 00:13.28 | brlcad | edit src/adrt/isst/master/isst_python.c and make #include "Python.h" read #include <Python/Python.h> |
| 00:13.39 | brlcad | what do you mean? |
| 00:14.03 | tegtmeye | if it is in cvs, I'll just update... |
| 00:14.10 | brlcad | no, it's not |
| 00:14.14 | tegtmeye | k |
| 00:14.30 | brlcad | requires configure.ac changes that haven't gotten to |
| 00:14.37 | tegtmeye | gotcha |
| 00:14.37 | brlcad | s/changes/checks/ |
| 00:15.00 | brlcad | since -framework Python isn't exactly going to do anything useful on non-mac ;) |
| 00:15.38 | AchiestDragon | grrr cvs problems cvs [login aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any) |
| 00:15.50 | brlcad | you should be able to get away with just running make twice without rerunning autogen.sh/configure after making those edits on mac |
| 00:16.07 | AchiestDragon | after hitting return at password prompt |
| 00:16.08 | brlcad | AchiestDragon: sourceforge is like that sometimes, just keep retrying |
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| 00:19.15 | cad863 | i left...i was the one with the problem running brl-cad |
| 00:19.30 | cad863 | so, does the app need to be in a certain folder? |
| 00:19.59 | AchiestDragon | dave@linux:~/brlcad> cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/brlcad co -P brlcad |
| 00:19.59 | AchiestDragon | can't create temporary directory /tmp/cvs-serv817 |
| 00:19.59 | AchiestDragon | Too many links |
| 00:20.02 | brlcad | cad863: brl-cad is actually several hundred apps total.. |
| 00:20.16 | brlcad | mm youngins with no patience |
| 00:20.54 | brlcad | AchiestDragon: heh, yeah.. looks like cvs.sf.net is a bit overloaded at the moment |
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| 00:21.31 | cad684 | sorry, its the guy with the app-running problem again... the internet was messed up for a sec where i am |
| 00:21.40 | cad684 | so wat is the command to run it again? |
| 00:21.42 | brlcad | cad684: brl-cad is actually several hundred apps total.. and yes the binary installers do expect to go to a specific location |
| 00:22.27 | brlcad | to run the modeler, it's called 'mged' -- brl-cad installs to /usr/brlcad by default, so running /usr/brlcad/bin/mged from xterm should start it up |
| 00:22.39 | cad684 | ok |
| 00:22.42 | cad684 | ill try it now |
| 00:22.58 | tegtmeye | brlcad, rise/observer ld is still complaining but the patch seemed to work on isst, no biggie tho, I don't use it... |
| 00:23.13 | brlcad | what's the error? |
| 00:23.13 | tegtmeye | _IOCreatePlugInInterfaceForService |
| 00:23.13 | tegtmeye | _IOIteratorNext |
| 00:23.13 | tegtmeye | _IOMasterPort |
| 00:23.13 | tegtmeye | _IOObjectRelease |
| 00:23.13 | tegtmeye | _IORegistryEntryCreateCFProperties |
| 00:23.14 | tegtmeye | _IORegistryEntryGetParentEntry |
| 00:23.16 | tegtmeye | _IOServiceGetMatchingServices |
| 00:23.18 | tegtmeye | _IOServiceMatching |
| 00:23.18 | brlcad | ahh |
| 00:23.20 | tegtmeye | _HideMenuBar |
| 00:23.22 | tegtmeye | _ShowMenuBar |
| 00:23.23 | cad684 | it works :D |
| 00:23.24 | tegtmeye | _CDSequenceEnd |
| 00:23.26 | tegtmeye | and lots others... |
| 00:23.46 | brlcad | cad684: there are manuals/tutorials on the website at http://brlcad.org to get you started |
| 00:23.54 | brlcad | see the intro to mged |
| 00:24.26 | cad684 | hanks |
| 00:25.04 | brlcad | tegtmeye: what's the compile line? it needs to be sdl-config --static-libs not --libs |
| 00:25.35 | tegtmeye | hold on to your butt... |
| 00:25.42 | tegtmeye | gcc -I/sw/include -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -fPIC -g -O3 -ffast-math -fstrength-reduce -fexpensive-optimizations -finline-functions -fno-omit-frame-pointer -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -fPIC -Wl,-search_paths_first -mdynamic-no-pic -g -O3 -ffast-ma |
| 00:25.51 | tegtmeye | err... |
| 00:26.09 | tegtmeye | bunch of stuff... what are you looking for? |
| 00:26.15 | brlcad | i know you work on gcc and all, but I dont' think -ffast-ma is valid ;) |
| 00:26.35 | tegtmeye | lol |
| 00:26.44 | brlcad | looking for `sdl-config ...` in the compile line |
| 00:26.59 | brlcad | or python-config |
| 00:27.07 | tegtmeye | negative... |
| 00:27.23 | brlcad | look at the libtool line that preceeded it |
| 00:28.10 | tegtmeye | nope. it is ld that is complaining in gcc |
| 00:28.26 | tegtmeye | making clean... |
| 00:28.41 | brlcad | it will be ld that ultimately complains, missing -framework lines |
| 00:29.00 | tegtmeye | insert wrong answer buzz sound here... |
| 00:29.25 | tegtmeye | -o rise_observer -static -framework Python rise_observer-main.o |
| 00:29.59 | brlcad | ahh, sdl-config is already expanded.. |
| 00:30.13 | tegtmeye | ise_observer-observer.o -L/sw/lib -lSDLmain -lSDL -framework Cocoa -framework OpenGL |
| 00:30.30 | tegtmeye | ... in libtool... |
| 00:30.49 | brlcad | yeah, already expanded, that's nfg |
| 00:31.47 | brlcad | run this: |
| 00:31.49 | brlcad | /bin/sh ../../../../libtool --mode=link gcc -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -fPIC -Wl,-search_paths_first -g -L/usr/X11R6/lib -L/usr/local/lib -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -fPIC -Wl,-search_paths_first -g -o rise_observer -static rise_observer-main.o rise_observer-observer.o -L/sw/lib -lSDLmain -lSDL -framework Cocoa -framework OpenGL ../../../../src/adrt/libtienet/libtienet.la ../../../../src/adrt/libtie/libtie.la ../../../ |
| 00:32.02 | brlcad | from adrt/rise/observer |
| 00:33.33 | brlcad | heh, or the shorthand variant |
| 00:33.35 | brlcad | make LDFLAGS="`sdl-config --static-libs`" |
| 00:34.08 | tegtmeye | using make version... |
| 00:34.15 | tegtmeye | AchiestDragon::__default_alloc_template<true, 0>::deallocate(void*, unsigned long) |
| 00:34.15 | tegtmeye | AchiestDragon::__default_alloc_template<true, 0>::_S_force_new |
| 00:34.15 | tegtmeye | AchiestDragon::__default_alloc_template<true, 0>::_S_free_list |
| 00:34.15 | tegtmeye | AchiestDragon::__default_alloc_template<true, 0>::_S_node_allocator_lock |
| 00:34.15 | tegtmeye | AchiestDragon::__default_alloc_template<true, 0>::allocate(unsigned long) |
| 00:34.16 | tegtmeye | AchiestDragon::__default_alloc_template<true, 0>::_S_refill(unsigned long) |
| 00:34.18 | tegtmeye | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 00:34.42 | tegtmeye | err... |
| 00:34.43 | tegtmeye | Undefined symbols: |
| 00:34.44 | tegtmeye | AchiestDragon::__default_alloc_template<true, 0>::deallocate(void*, unsigned long) |
| 00:34.44 | tegtmeye | AchiestDragon::__default_alloc_template<true, 0>::_S_force_new |
| 00:34.44 | tegtmeye | AchiestDragon::__default_alloc_template<true, 0>::_S_free_list |
| 00:34.44 | tegtmeye | AchiestDragon::__default_alloc_template<true, 0>::_S_node_allocator_lock |
| 00:34.45 | tegtmeye | AchiestDragon::__default_alloc_template<true, 0>::allocate(unsigned long) |
| 00:34.47 | tegtmeye | AchiestDragon::__default_alloc_template<true, 0>::_S_refill(unsigned long) |
| 00:34.55 | tegtmeye | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 00:35.14 | AchiestDragon | so is me |
| 00:35.16 | tegtmeye | yea, me too |
| 00:35.36 | brlcad | happen to have tabs in that output? :) |
| 00:35.50 | tegtmeye | pasted "std::++default..." |
| 00:35.59 | tegtmeye | shouldn't |
| 00:36.11 | brlcad | wierd |
| 00:36.12 | tegtmeye | whatever, that was a std::__default... in there |
| 00:36.33 | tegtmeye | :) |
| 00:36.41 | brlcad | hmm.. your'e using gcc 4? |
| 00:36.51 | tegtmeye | yea, Tiger... |
| 00:37.11 | brlcad | and that /sw/lib sdl was built pre-tiger wasn't it .. |
| 00:37.39 | tegtmeye | I'm not using this so don't kill yourself to fix it if you have other things going on.. |
| 00:37.41 | tegtmeye | yea |
| 00:37.48 | brlcad | those are c++ template incompatibilities |
| 00:37.57 | brlcad | 3.3 -> 4.0 |
| 00:38.12 | tegtmeye | ahhh, your righ.... |
| 00:38.13 | Twingy | woo, js.cx is up |
| 00:38.25 | tegtmeye | actually, |
| 00:38.47 | brlcad | tegtmeye: if you gcc_select 3.3 and rebuild everything, it should work ;) |
| 00:39.04 | tegtmeye | well, the source ones were build with 4.0, but if fink pulled something in binary then prob. no |
| 00:39.21 | brlcad | that was what was going on up at nist actually when I had to rebuild everything |
| 00:39.47 | tegtmeye | ahh, I'm not sure it is that important to me though... |
| 00:39.55 | brlcad | prolly not |
| 00:39.57 | brlcad | you have the libs |
| 00:40.06 | tegtmeye | exactly... |
| 00:41.37 | tegtmeye | Justin, what is the last triple in your .frame file? |
| 00:42.04 | Twingy | uh |
| 00:42.37 | Twingy | tilt, perspective, depth_of_field |
| 00:42.41 | Twingy | all angles |
| 00:45.03 | tegtmeye | ahh, thought last was up, for an interesting picture try camera,0.0,0.1,10.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,20.0,10.0 using bench |
| 00:45.25 | tegtmeye | looks like an eye... |
| 00:47.22 | tegtmeye | at 4k rays per sec... |
| 00:48.25 | tegtmeye | Also, |
| 00:48.50 | tegtmeye | camera,0.0,0.0,10.0,0.0,0.0,-10.0,0.0,20.0,0.0 renders black |
| 00:49.37 | tegtmeye | where camera,0.0,0.1,10.0... is fine. Future issues though... |
| 00:57.24 | AchiestDragon | sourceforge cvs still busy by looks |
| 01:03.02 | AchiestDragon | 2am here makes it 8pm central us time so guess it wil be busy for another 2 to 4 hrs |
| 01:04.31 | brlcad | it's usually a configuration problem, they don't usually have trouble with capacity |
| 01:04.50 | AchiestDragon | dave@linux:~/brlcad> cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/brlcad co -P brlcad |
| 01:04.50 | AchiestDragon | can't create temporary directory /tmp/cvs-serv10959 |
| 01:04.50 | AchiestDragon | Too many links |
| 01:06.26 | brlcad | yeah, i'm seeing that here too on anonymous |
| 01:08.19 | AchiestDragon | svn is better |
| 01:09.17 | brlcad | that it is |
| 01:09.57 | AchiestDragon | once you done a svn checkout its just a case of changing into one of the dirs and doing > svn up , no messing arround loging in and trying to remeber the dirs ect |
| 01:09.59 | brlcad | sourceforge has been trying to bring svn on-line for a couple years now, apparently not stable enough yet for the volume of use they need |
| 01:10.35 | brlcad | once you do a cvs checkout, that's pretty much the case too |
| 01:10.54 | brlcad | the benefit of svn is the changeset management, handling of dirs and file movements |
| 01:36.57 | AchiestDragon | >From now on cvs users won't be able to access repository. How to solve this |
| 01:36.57 | AchiestDragon | problem? There is a cvs server option which allow us to use another temporary |
| 01:36.57 | AchiestDragon | directory. Just create /usr/cvsroot/cvstmp directory and append following |
| 01:36.58 | AchiestDragon | string to your cvspserver line: "-T /usr/cvsroot/cvstmp" |
| 01:37.47 | AchiestDragon | looks like is a DOS fix that was done to the cvs , but it only tells you how to fix it from the sever end |
| 01:40.53 | brlcad | yeah, we don't have access to that -- it's still just temporary |
| 01:41.04 | brlcad | anonymous is only updated every 5 hours or so |
| 01:42.44 | brlcad | AchiestDragon: did you want cvs HEAD or BobWinPort ? |
| 01:43.29 | AchiestDragon | one with archer and for linux |
| 01:47.55 | brlcad | AchiestDragon: here's a HEAD checkout http://ftp.brlcad.org/private/brlcad-cvs-HEAD-20050926.tar.gz |
| 01:48.30 | brlcad | but since you want archer, that's in BobWinPort.. be a few min to update to it |
| 01:48.34 | AchiestDragon | k |
| 01:49.08 | brlcad | s/BobWinPort/bobWinPort/g |
| 01:50.13 | AchiestDragon | HEAD downloaded |
| 01:58.52 | brlcad | other one's ready, same url, just replace HEAD with bobWinPort |
| 02:00.29 | AchiestDragon | k |
| 02:20.24 | AchiestDragon | png.c: In function `SetupPngLibrary': |
| 02:20.24 | AchiestDragon | png.c:111: error: `PNGTCL_PACKAGE_NAME' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 02:20.24 | AchiestDragon | png.c:111: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once |
| 02:20.24 | AchiestDragon | png.c:111: error: for each function it appears in.) |
| 02:20.24 | AchiestDragon | make[4]: *** [png.lo] Error 1 |
| 02:20.25 | AchiestDragon | make[4]: Leaving directory `/home/dave/dev/brlcad/src/other/tkimg/png' |
| 02:21.28 | brlcad | not too surprising, but easy to work around :) |
| 02:21.32 | AchiestDragon | this is on the bobwinport branch |
| 02:21.48 | brlcad | make CFLAGS=-DPNGTCL_PACKAGE_NAME=pngtcl |
| 02:23.33 | AchiestDragon | well a bit further but not much |
| 02:23.35 | AchiestDragon | png.c: In function `SetupPngLibrary': |
| 02:23.35 | AchiestDragon | png.c:111: error: `pngtcl' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 02:31.35 | brlcad | yeah, that's the symbol we just defined, probably needs to have a decl in a header |
| 02:31.46 | brlcad | looks like the branch needs some work |
| 02:32.18 | AchiestDragon | hmm |
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| 02:34.54 | brlcad | AchiestDragon: i'll be taking a look at it some this week going through some test builds, so it should be all better soon |
| 02:34.57 | AchiestDragon | maybe not , looks like its a dependancy problem for pngtcl |
| 02:35.33 | brlcad | 'pngtcl' was just a name I made up |
| 02:35.52 | AchiestDragon | The package 'pngtcl' depends on 'zlibtcl' and has to be built after |
| 02:35.52 | AchiestDragon | it. Beyond that the order of building is free. Their TEA build systems |
| 02:35.52 | AchiestDragon | can be found in the directories listed above. |
| 02:36.26 | brlcad | or it conveniently overlaps the real tcl package name ;) |
| 02:40.52 | AchiestDragon | well make fails doing this make[4]: Entering directory `/home/dave/dev/brlcad/src/other/tkimg/png |
| 02:41.39 | brlcad | yeah, thats very new stuff |
| 02:41.46 | brlcad | stuff archer uses |
| 02:41.49 | AchiestDragon | can i disable ping support |
| 02:42.02 | AchiestDragon | * png |
| 02:42.04 | brlcad | nope |
| 02:42.32 | AchiestDragon | k |
| 02:42.34 | brlcad | and that's just a submodule to tkimage, but it's the hooks/interface to libpng |
| 02:42.54 | brlcad | it's what makes the graphic buttons, and other icons/images in archer |
| 02:43.20 | brlcad | i'm sure it's just simple build/makefile issues to get it working |
| 02:43.27 | brlcad | but I can't look at it just this second |
| 03:00.14 | AchiestDragon | np , am looking here but this one has lost me , found the line :- |
| 03:00.16 | AchiestDragon | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:01.33 | AchiestDragon | but (png.c:111: error: `PNGTCL_PACKAGE_NAME' undeclared (first use in this function) ) ok so wheres the PNGTCL_PACKAGE_NAME come from , its not in the file |
| 03:05.00 | brlcad | yes?Png_InitStubs is a macro |
| 03:05.19 | brlcad | pngtcl.h |
| 03:05.53 | brlcad | #define Png_InitStubs(interp, version, exact) \ |
| 03:05.53 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:05.54 | brlcad | #endif |
| 03:48.10 | AchiestDragon | ok ,, seems it may not of been defined right ,, PNGTCL_PACKAGE_NAME is used but is not defined and has no type allocation should be char and defined somewhere if i recall |
| 03:53.28 | brlcad | that was why I had you add the -D to CFLAGS |
| 03:53.52 | brlcad | it's supposed to be a preprocessor symbol provided by the compiler or a header |
| 04:00.59 | AchiestDragon | ok , so the Tcl_PkgRequire(interp, XXXX, version, exact) is found in 7 diferent headers , but in all but 2 the XXXX is >> "diferent text in quotes " , looks like there diferent object orientated stuff |
| 04:04.54 | PKMOBILE | hey brlcad / learner, what content can i be adding while i work on making this thing pretty? |
| 04:14.31 | AchiestDragon | ok found a definition for it :( |
| 04:14.34 | AchiestDragon | PreprocessorDefinitions="WIN32;NDEBUG;_WINDOWS;BUILD_tkimg;BUILD_pngtcl;BUILD_zlibtcl;TKIMG_VERSION=\"1.3\";TKIMG_PACKAGE_NAME=\"Tkimg\";TKIMG_PNG_PACKAGE_NAME=\"Tkimgpng\";ZLIBTCL_PACKAGE_NAME=\"Zlibtcl\";PNGTCL_PACKAGE_NAME=\"Pngtcl\"" |
| 04:15.51 | AchiestDragon | so replacing PNGTCL_PACKAGE_NAME with "Pngtcl" should do it |
| 04:16.15 | learner | :) |
| 04:16.41 | learner | PKMOBILE, start with the existing content |
| 04:17.08 | PKMOBILE | the stuff on the current site? |
| 04:17.16 | learner | yeah |
| 04:17.25 | PKMOBILE | okie dokie |
| 04:18.06 | learner | there's more to add, much more, but starting with just wrapping what we have in a framework is good |
| 04:23.56 | PKMOBILE | ok |
| 04:24.23 | PKMOBILE | im learning drupal's style which is quite a bit different from XOOPS... |
| 04:27.01 | learner | cool |
| 05:09.56 | AchiestDragon | :) well not many changes to get it to make ok |
| 05:16.53 | AchiestDragon | so replacing PNGTCL_PACKAGE_NAME with "Pngtcl" 2 files 3 enteries and ZLIBTCL_PACKAGE_NAME to "Zlibtcl" in another 2 files 3 enteries total |
| 05:18.22 | AchiestDragon | and commenting out a "error" in another file that had a coment saying if you encounter an error here read the install notes near the end , but no note there |
| 06:05.08 | AchiestDragon | shame that all i get is a empty window when running archer :( |
| 06:06.19 | AchiestDragon | looks like errors in the tcl files not the c ,,, never done any tcl so stuck |
| 07:30.42 | AchiestDragon | Benchmark results indicate an approximate VGR performance metric of 2412 |
| 09:10.10 | archivist_3 | 7960 |
| 13:24.32 | brlcad | archivist_3: that's pretty impressive -- dual amd? |
| 13:28.32 | archivist_3 | er what? that no was randome from my server, I wasnt in the building |
| 13:29.28 | archivist_3 | actually a barcode reader in series with the kb |
| 13:29.56 | archivist_3 | or a ghost |
| 13:30.02 | brlcad | heh |
| 13:31.11 | brlcad | was going to say.. those numbers you generally don't see on a dual, would need to be a quad or greater |
| 13:33.09 | archivist_3 | hehe its a 1 gig amd with windoze and the barcode scanner has been annoying me for nearly 2 yrs but i need a power down to remove |
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| 17:11.45 | AchiestDragon | http://www.whipy.demon.co.uk/snapshot2.png :( |
| 17:59.03 | brlcad | AchiestDragon: hehe, at least you got the window ;) |
| 17:59.28 | AchiestDragon | :) |
| 18:04.09 | AchiestDragon | btw i'm hoping that in the long run i will be able to draw something using bricad and export it to dxf for a cnc router http://www.whipy.demon.co.uk/ |
| 18:04.23 | Twingy_ | mmm cnc |
| 18:04.33 | Twingy_ | AchiestDragon: which kind you got? |
| 18:04.58 | AchiestDragon | one about half built at moment , see last link for pic |
| 18:05.39 | brlcad | AchiestDragon: pretty neat custom setup there ;) |
| 18:06.02 | brlcad | so how are you planning on driving it? |
| 18:06.08 | brlcad | g-code? :) |
| 18:06.10 | Twingy_ | I want to get my hands on a 5-axis |
| 18:06.24 | AchiestDragon | its a prototype , once i get that working i will be welding a propper frame together |
| 18:06.55 | Twingy_ | got any pics of the setup? |
| 18:07.32 | Maloeran | Ahah, neat |
| 18:07.49 | Twingy_ | ah, other link |
| 18:07.52 | AchiestDragon | g code , theres emc for linux |
| 18:08.37 | Twingy_ | I would need something with a significantly larger domain for Z |
| 18:08.50 | AchiestDragon | i have kcam for windows , autocad , 3ds , and a number of other cad programs that i can use for generating code also |
| 18:10.14 | brlcad | AchiestDragon: you're not the first to suggest using brl-cad for cnc, sounds like a great plan to me -- waiting for someone to make it a reality ;) |
| 18:11.12 | Twingy_ | here's a cheap one |
| 18:11.16 | Twingy_ | http://cgi.ebay.com/1998-WALTER-CNC-5-AXIS-HELITRONIC-MINI-POWER_W0QQitemZ7548973128QQcategoryZ12580QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 18:11.16 | AchiestDragon | well been playing with doing that using blender , but blender has big dxf export bugs , and theres no way to get the size right in blender |
| 18:12.59 | archivist | export to STL, dxf is often borked |
| 18:13.17 | Twingy_ | it was written 10 years ago and Ton hasn't touched it since |
| 18:14.15 | Maloeran | Most Blender exporters are broken in my experience, the 3ds one eats triangles upon saving |
| 18:14.34 | Twingy_ | *shrug* it's open source, fix it |
| 18:15.46 | AchiestDragon | and it introduces some unwanted lines in exporting that are verry problamatic if you want to cnc the shape |
| 18:16.13 | Twingy_ | mal, register your nick |
| 18:16.33 | Twingy_ | ooh, one sec |
| 18:17.51 | AchiestDragon | ie draw mesh , export it looks fine , send it to cnc , starts by cutting a hole in the middle of the work , milling accoss to the corner , then does a good job of the mesh , and just before finishing machines a big cross accross the work |
| 18:18.24 | archivist | that may be the machines fault as well |
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| 18:18.58 | AchiestDragon | no its some extra paths that end up in the blender dxf export of the mesh |
| 18:19.21 | AchiestDragon | have to sift though the g-code and manualy remove them |
| 18:19.41 | brlcad | I don't think the machine should be healing the geometry for you, and without that exporting arbitrary meshes isn't going to fly without ensuring a solid model and export that retains solidity |
| 18:19.46 | archivist | i had a dxf fix script once |
| 18:20.07 | AchiestDragon | with 1 mesh its not too bad , but when you have to stich a few together its a pain |
| 18:20.15 | brlcad | yeah |
| 18:21.19 | AchiestDragon | bbl , need to call shop |
| 18:21.20 | brlcad | that distinction is one of the reasons (among many) that solid modelers are not in the same category as animation modelers |
| 18:22.25 | archivist | hehe yes line ends need to meet exactly (buggers a laser cutter if they dont) |
| 21:12.20 | AchiestDragon | bk |
| 21:13.56 | AchiestDragon | re using brlcad for doing cnc , well ok going to give it a go , but might involve a few feature requests |
| 21:16.26 | brlcad | if you happen to have a reference to the g-code format, that could make writing a converter easier |
| 21:18.52 | AchiestDragon | i will have a look for info |
| 21:19.21 | archivist | there are some free resources available |
| 21:20.49 | AchiestDragon | thers references in linuxcnc , on the wiki and in the handbook |
| 21:21.36 | AchiestDragon | http://linuxcnc.org/handbook/RS274NGC_3/RS274NGC_3TOC.html |
| 21:23.48 | brlcad | hey, I think I know her |
| 21:27.24 | AchiestDragon | who |
| 21:27.36 | brlcad | elena messina |
| 21:27.53 | AchiestDragon | k , kool |
| 21:31.56 | AchiestDragon | although alot of cnc machines and software use a subset of the G-code |
| 21:34.14 | archivist | interesting article |
| 21:38.07 | archivist | we have a crude cnc here that could be made a lot better, but would need a lot of work |
| 21:39.19 | archivist | AchiestDragon as your on demon you cant be that far away from me |
| 21:39.41 | AchiestDragon | north wales |
| 21:40.06 | archivist | east midlands burton on trent |
| 21:40.50 | AchiestDragon | kool :) |
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