| 01:24.00 | pra5ad | have any of u used anjuta? |
| 01:29.44 | brlcad | crazy talk |
| 01:31.51 | pra5ad | ? |
| 01:35.31 | AchiestDragon | arrrggg gtk |
| 01:36.20 | AchiestDragon | no , but been learning kdevelop instead |
| 01:37.43 | AchiestDragon | or should i say started to but since there chaning to qt4 wating for the qt4 version of it to be stable ,, hmm so 12 month delay or so atm |
| 02:16.53 | pra5ad | ``Erik, u there? |
| 02:22.47 | pra5ad | fyi - http://sources.redhat.com/automake/automake.html#Extending-aclocal |
| 02:23.03 | pra5ad | underquoted defun |
| 02:32.28 | pra5ad | bah.. autoreconf -I m4 doesn't pass the include dir to autoconf |
| 02:34.58 | joevalleyfield | ACLOCAL_AMFLAGS = -I m4 |
| 02:35.02 | joevalleyfield | in Makefile.am |
| 02:35.31 | joevalleyfield | ? |
| 02:35.46 | joevalleyfield | you probaby knew that |
| 02:36.20 | pra5ad | no i didn't |
| 02:36.29 | joevalleyfield | i just came across it today |
| 02:36.43 | pra5ad | hmm Makefile.am u say |
| 02:36.46 | pra5ad | not configure.ac ? |
| 02:36.50 | joevalleyfield | yep |
| 02:36.53 | joevalleyfield | not configure.ac |
| 02:37.01 | pra5ad | that's counter intuitive.. |
| 02:37.18 | joevalleyfield | and as far as i can tell, AC_CONFIG_MACRO_DIR doesn't do squat |
| 02:37.44 | pra5ad | ah |
| 02:37.59 | pra5ad | ``Erik, spelling error |
| 02:38.02 | pra5ad | checking for library containing glFrustum... no |
| 02:38.02 | pra5ad | configure: error: Need OpenGL |
| 02:44.31 | pra5ad | heh, 'forward compatibility' they say (re: AC_CONFIG_MACRO_DIR) |
| 02:45.15 | pra5ad | joevalleyfield, but don't u still need to call aclocal -I m4 ? |
| 02:45.20 | pra5ad | explicitly |
| 02:46.06 | joevalleyfield | at first |
| 02:46.20 | joevalleyfield | but when it does the maintainer mode thing |
| 02:46.24 | joevalleyfield | it doesn't screw it up |
| 02:47.05 | pra5ad | ah |
| 02:47.18 | pra5ad | im reading here about setting up autogen.sh |
| 02:51.39 | pra5ad | ``Erik, scratch that. not a spelling error |
| 03:04.29 | pra5ad | seems AC_SEARCH_LIBS is broken.. |
| 03:04.36 | pra5ad | checking for library containing glFrustum... no |
| 03:04.36 | pra5ad | configure: error: Need OpenGL |
| 03:21.21 | CIA-9 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/autogen.sh: |
| 03:21.21 | CIA-9 | BRL-CAD: bogus autom4te.cache protection. handle corrupted/invalid cache dirs that will |
| 03:21.21 | CIA-9 | BRL-CAD: cause aclocal to fail. handle out-of-date cache dirs that autoconf 'should' |
| 03:21.22 | CIA-9 | BRL-CAD: recognize but obviously doesn't for at least most current versions of autoconf |
| 03:21.22 | CIA-9 | BRL-CAD: as well resulting in an unnecessary failure. cache files shouldn't halt tools, |
| 03:21.22 | CIA-9 | BRL-CAD: stupid lame gnu build system tools. |
| 03:22.39 | pra5ad | man wtf.. it can find gluPerspective in GLU but not glFrustum in GL |
| 03:23.13 | joevalleyfield | i guess it doesn't put its failed programs in config.log for that |
| 03:27.46 | pra5ad | tim saves the day once again |
| 03:27.49 | pra5ad | configure:4984: gcc -o conftest -g -O2 -I./src conftest.c -lGL -lSM -lICE -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 -lXext -lXmu -lXt -lXi >&5 |
| 03:27.49 | pra5ad | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXmu |
| 03:27.55 | pra5ad | while testing -lGL |
| 03:28.15 | pra5ad | ``Erik, i have xorg |
| 03:30.36 | brlcad | pra5ad: brl-cad's autogen.sh should be a drop-in and run -- accommodates more stupidities of the gnu build system than I care to enumerate |
| 03:30.58 | brlcad | ultimately runs autoreconf with the right flags if it'll work, otherwise it'll run the steps manually for you too |
| 03:31.15 | pra5ad | well this is an issue with ``Erik's script |
| 03:31.18 | pra5ad | no? |
| 03:32.08 | brlcad | yes it is, i'm just saying from earlier comment about setting up an autogen.sh script |
| 03:32.13 | pra5ad | ah |
| 03:32.22 | pra5ad | well, here's my autogen.sh |
| 03:32.36 | pra5ad | #!/bin/sh |
| 03:32.36 | pra5ad | autoreconf --force --install -I config -I m4 |
| 03:32.40 | pra5ad | :P |
| 03:33.04 | brlcad | yeah, well that will fail in plenty of situations when it shouldn't |
| 03:33.48 | pra5ad | true, but i only care for ubuntu 5.10 and cygwin (for now) |
| 03:34.17 | brlcad | *shrug*, your time down the road, not mine ;) |
| 03:35.15 | pra5ad | heh |
| 03:35.25 | pra5ad | how much work would it be to update one script |
| 03:38.01 | brlcad | there's probably a solid two or three weeks worth of time in the current script between hunting down why autoreconf or the other various tools fail under certain situations, debugging some GBS stupidity/bug |
| 03:38.15 | brlcad | starting out about where you are now in the beginning |
| 03:38.43 | brlcad | depends just how accommodating you want to ultimately be -- if it's just for you it probably doesn't matter as much |
| 03:40.16 | brlcad | having any autogen.sh script at all is rather against the gnu folk's retarded "methodology" |
| 03:41.46 | brlcad | they say basically that you should force all devs onto a specific revision of the gbs tools for all your platforms, with no support for different versions, no accountability for their own bugs and various issues you can run into |
| 03:43.07 | brlcad | one of the worst aspects of gnu, imo -- those guys and their ideas can be incredibly counterproductive and impractical |
| 03:43.46 | pra5ad | i expect nothing less from anything connected to 'methodology' |
| 03:43.48 | brlcad | one of the biggest reasons that make me wish there was a practical popular alternate |
| 03:45.10 | ``Erik | o.O |
| 03:45.13 | brlcad | but alas there is not |
| 03:45.34 | ``Erik | wher'es my 7.6.4 ? |
| 03:46.26 | brlcad | ``Erik: there's a meeting to uhm discuss it wednesday morning |
| 03:46.38 | ``Erik | .... |
| 03:46.46 | ``Erik | nov01, bitch |
| 03:47.05 | brlcad | preaching to the preacher |
| 03:47.16 | ``Erik | I'm of the user community, right? tell mgmt that the user community is complaining about the delayed release. |
| 03:47.23 | ``Erik | contributing user community. |
| 03:47.27 | ``Erik | damnit. |
| 03:47.41 | brlcad | i'll be bringing up something to that effect |
| 03:47.47 | ``Erik | heh |
| 03:48.11 | ``Erik | :( |
| 03:48.23 | pra5ad | brlcad, what module do i checkout from the rep |
| 03:48.24 | pra5ad | o |
| 03:48.33 | brlcad | pra5ad: for what? |
| 03:48.38 | pra5ad | brlcad |
| 03:48.46 | brlcad | heh |
| 03:48.48 | brlcad | "brlcad" |
| 03:48.54 | brlcad | you didn't even try did you |
| 03:49.05 | pra5ad | u know i didnt |
| 03:49.06 | pra5ad | =) |
| 03:49.17 | brlcad | heh |
| 03:49.54 | ``Erik | damn student (crazy daisy, w00) |
| 03:50.02 | pra5ad | ``Erik, soo |
| 03:50.07 | pra5ad | whats with the X libs |
| 03:50.14 | ``Erik | they're libs |
| 03:50.15 | ``Erik | for X |
| 03:50.17 | pra5ad | my system doesnt have Xmu defined |
| 03:50.26 | ``Erik | really? |
| 03:50.30 | ``Erik | that's... interstying |
| 03:50.33 | ``Erik | interesting |
| 03:50.35 | pra5ad | have the library* |
| 03:51.06 | pra5ad | (as in has no libXmu.so/a symlinks by default) |
| 03:51.26 | pra5ad | but why are the x libs required for the gl test |
| 04:07.40 | pra5ad | sean |
| 04:08.01 | pra5ad | the .cvsignore files in the src subdirs dont include Makefile.in |
| 04:08.44 | pra5ad | the top level .cvsignore adds it. does it propogate down to the subdirs? |
| 04:09.07 | pra5ad | iirc the man page said it wouldn't |
| 04:57.25 | pra5ad | haha once of my classmates from umd just got into redmond (win ce team) |
| 04:58.12 | brlcad | they are not recursive, no |
| 04:58.25 | brlcad | if you want global, you can add it to the CVSROOT ignores file |
| 04:59.06 | pra5ad | bad external dependancies |
| 04:59.15 | pra5ad | ``Erik, u didnt answer my question |
| 04:59.45 | ``Erik | what question? |
| 05:00.08 | pra5ad | pra5ad but why are the x libs required for the gl test |
| 05:00.20 | pra5ad | i can build w/o em |
| 05:00.55 | ``Erik | historically, gl libs quired X libs available on leenewx and fbsd |
| 05:01.33 | ``Erik | bear in mind the age of the m4's... i cracnked the fuckers up during the 'glide' days, yo |
| 05:01.54 | pra5ad | well besides the xlibs, the ac_defun function names need [] to kill some warning |
| 05:02.01 | pra5ad | other than that |
| 05:02.11 | pra5ad | i have it working on ubuntu 5.10 & cygwin |
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| 05:22.55 | pra5ad | http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/categories/products/deptpage.asp?web_dept=Xbox+360&web_sub_dept=Hardware |
| 05:23.12 | pra5ad | xbox 360 will be $600 (base), $700 (fully loaded) |
| 05:23.15 | pra5ad | good god |
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| 05:28.15 | lachyg | hi....does does brlcad include the ballistics and radar simulation tools? because the website doesn't make it too clear |
| 05:33.41 | brlcad | lachyg: yes and no |
| 05:34.18 | brlcad | there are various analysis codes that are non-geometric specific that utilize brl-cad |
| 05:34.34 | brlcad | but that brl-cad does not ship ourselves |
| 05:34.47 | lachyg | ah ok, that's what i wanted to know |
| 05:34.56 | brlcad | the base tools, however, are -- that is the tools for geometric interrogation and rendering |
| 05:35.13 | lachyg | any Free (with a capital) ones out there? |
| 05:35.15 | lachyg | okay |
| 05:35.17 | brlcad | including non-optical rendering, multispectral imaging |
| 05:36.08 | lachyg | ok |
| 05:36.08 | brlcad | there are some free, but not necessarily readily available or available to just anyone |
| 05:36.45 | lachyg | i'd meant GNU-style Free...but yeah, i'm outside the US, so i doubt i'd be able to get them too easily |
| 05:37.52 | brlcad | some of them are in a gnu-style free, just not gnu ;) |
| 05:38.31 | brlcad | ballistics and radar are very domain specific, you're not going to find much |
| 05:39.13 | brlcad | brl-cad is probably the defacto base code for the ballistics analysis codes |
| 05:40.02 | lachyg | okay....any names i should google for? 'cos i'm just learning it at the moment, looking for some of the "hey, this is cool" type stuff |
| 05:41.39 | lachyg | yes, it's childish i admit :) |
| 05:42.21 | brlcad | nothing I could really suggest :) |
| 05:42.52 | brlcad | search long enough and you'll undoubtedly find some of them though |
| 05:43.05 | brlcad | at least references to them |
| 05:43.44 | lachyg | brlcad, ok, thanks a lot then |
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| 14:16.08 | CIA-12 | BRL-CAD: 03lbutler * 10brlcad/src/librt/wdb_obj.c: |
| 14:16.08 | CIA-12 | BRL-CAD: The MGED mvall command was not catching when the user renames a sketch that |
| 14:16.08 | CIA-12 | BRL-CAD: is used by an extrude primitive. The change mimics the treatment for |
| 14:16.08 | CIA-12 | BRL-CAD: combination records. If the primitive being renamed is a sketch, we search |
| 14:16.08 | CIA-12 | BRL-CAD: to see if any "extrude" uses the sketch and updates the name in the "extrude". |
| 14:37.07 | CIA-12 | BRL-CAD: 03lbutler * 10brlcad/src/gtools/ (g_qa.1 g_qa.c): |
| 14:37.07 | CIA-12 | BRL-CAD: The -g command line option can now have its arguments separated by either |
| 14:37.07 | CIA-12 | BRL-CAD: a comma or a hyphen now, based upon user request. |
| 14:51.42 | CIA-12 | BRL-CAD: 03lbutler * 10brlcad/src/libbn/bn_tcl.c: |
| 14:51.42 | CIA-12 | BRL-CAD: Exposed two additional routines in the Tcl interface: |
| 14:51.42 | CIA-12 | BRL-CAD: bn_isect_line2_line2 |
| 14:51.42 | CIA-12 | BRL-CAD: bn_isect_line3_line3 |
| 14:51.43 | CIA-12 | BRL-CAD: This allows us to process data from the Arcsecond Vulcan(tm) in Tcl scripts |
| 14:51.43 | CIA-12 | BRL-CAD: instead of C code. |
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| 21:12.44 | CIA-12 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/mged/points/ (process.c process.h): |
| 21:12.44 | CIA-12 | BRL-CAD: rename the create functions to have a create_ prefix (e.g. create_plate), add |
| 21:12.44 | CIA-12 | BRL-CAD: condense_points and delete_points for removing null points from a set and |
| 21:12.44 | CIA-12 | BRL-CAD: deleting detected 5-point replicates in the input (implying a need to delete the |
| 21:12.44 | CIA-12 | BRL-CAD: previous point). |
| 22:54.49 | ``Erik | *yawn* |
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| 23:46.31 | ``Erik | sean |
| 23:54.08 | brlcad | erik |