| 00:05.29 | ``Erik | yo ho ho |
| 00:06.17 | pra5ad | bah humbug |
| 00:10.14 | brlcad | mmmm.. tastes like burning |
| 00:12.32 | pra5ad | smells like blood |
| 00:13.05 | archivist | is toast on the menu |
| 00:47.50 | pra5ad | whats the last line in canadian addresses? |
| 00:51.39 | pra5ad | hmm guess its not the last line |
| 00:54.45 | pra5ad | ahh postal code |
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| 01:29.00 | pra5ad | mike |
| 01:29.34 | pra5ad | is it possible to 'templatize' the inheritance system we discussed |
| 01:30.09 | tegtmeye | how so? |
| 01:30.29 | pra5ad | u r the expert |
| 01:30.30 | pra5ad | heh |
| 01:31.03 | tegtmeye | short answer yes, they are called policy traits |
| 01:31.12 | pra5ad | oh |
| 01:31.36 | tegtmeye | they syntax is ugly, but you don't pay for it at runtime |
| 01:32.01 | tegtmeye | what did you have in mind? |
| 01:32.19 | pra5ad | good question |
| 01:32.24 | pra5ad | wanted to simplify it |
| 01:32.53 | pra5ad | just wondering if it's at all possible |
| 01:33.59 | tegtmeye | without being a cliche', almost anythign is possible with templates, it is just a matter of how ugly and unmaintainable do you want your code to be |
| 01:34.34 | pra5ad | has someone invented the 'write-once-reuse-forever' code yet? |
| 01:34.56 | tegtmeye | yea, they tried and failed (Java) :) |
| 01:35.07 | pra5ad | hah |
| 01:35.25 | pra5ad | so u r telling me that templates will be obfuscated by something else |
| 01:35.59 | pra5ad | eep wrong word |
| 01:36.04 | pra5ad | obsolete* |
| 01:36.16 | pra5ad | made* |
| 01:36.17 | pra5ad | .. |
| 01:37.34 | tegtmeye | I'm sure eventually, just like any other language. |
| 01:37.59 | pra5ad | heretic words |
| 01:38.14 | pra5ad | i thought u were a template zealot |
| 01:38.14 | pra5ad | =) |
| 01:38.20 | tegtmeye | Some are just harder than others, look at FORTRAN, its still trieng to be put down... |
| 01:38.29 | pra5ad | s/were/are/ |
| 01:38.48 | tegtmeye | I am:) |
| 01:38.58 | tegtmeye | and with luck, I'll make you one too ;) |
| 01:39.53 | pra5ad | hehe |
| 01:40.07 | pra5ad | so far ive avoided it |
| 01:44.39 | brlcad | templates are/can be good stuff |
| 01:46.37 | tegtmeye | I generally agree, |
| 01:47.38 | tegtmeye | It comes down to cost/benifit, most will overlook overly templatized code if it result is a significant performance gain |
| 01:48.47 | brlcad | sure, but then my take on that is that computers get faster than we can write code .. i'll take maintainable over bleeding fast any day |
| 01:48.53 | brlcad | it is a tradeoff though for sure |
| 01:49.01 | brlcad | some is great |
| 01:49.35 | brlcad | doing it blindly "'cause it's faster" is like "never" using goto or "never" using assembly etc |
| 01:49.53 | brlcad | absolutes are always evil ;) |
| 01:50.32 | tegtmeye | Since your on... |
| 01:50.58 | brlcad | heh |
| 01:51.02 | brlcad | i'm always on |
| 01:51.10 | tegtmeye | How to you set up your convenience library in autoconf again? Is it prog_name_LDFLAGS=somelib.la ??? |
| 01:51.19 | tegtmeye | heh |
| 01:51.22 | brlcad | just not always listening or willing to answer ;) |
| 01:51.26 | tegtmeye | lol |
| 01:51.43 | brlcad | convenience libs are noinst_LTLIBRARIES |
| 01:51.53 | tegtmeye | sorry, |
| 01:52.08 | brlcad | flags for them go to LDFLAGS |
| 01:52.16 | brlcad | libs they depend on go to LIBS |
| 01:52.25 | brlcad | same as for binaries |
| 01:52.25 | tegtmeye | ok, |
| 01:52.42 | tegtmeye | binary foo needs to link agains convenience lib bar... |
| 01:52.46 | brlcad | somelib_la_LIBS = $(top_srcdir)/path/to/foo.la |
| 01:52.56 | tegtmeye | ah, right, |
| 01:52.58 | tegtmeye | thanks |
| 01:53.13 | brlcad | er, sorry |
| 01:53.46 | brlcad | that'd be a LIBADD to add a lib to a lib |
| 01:54.03 | brlcad | somelib_la_LIBADD = $(top_srcdir)/path/to/foo.la |
| 01:54.23 | tegtmeye | what about binary? |
| 01:54.27 | brlcad | somebinary_la_LDADD = ... |
| 01:54.34 | tegtmeye | roger... |
| 01:54.38 | tegtmeye | thanks |
| 01:54.42 | brlcad | de nada |
| 01:58.54 | tegtmeye | adrttest_la_LDADD= $(top_srcdir)/adrt/libadrt.la |
| 01:59.03 | tegtmeye | adrt_test/Makefile.am:5: variable `adrttest_la_LDADD' is defined but no program or |
| 01:59.03 | tegtmeye | adrt_test/Makefile.am:5: library has `adrttest_la' as canonic name (possible typo) |
| 01:59.13 | tegtmeye | ...lost of ld errors.... |
| 01:59.22 | tegtmeye | s/lost/lots |
| 01:59.34 | brlcad | :) |
| 01:59.38 | brlcad | you got em reversed |
| 01:59.56 | brlcad | if it's a library libadd, binary, ldadd |
| 02:00.04 | tegtmeye | drat! |
| 02:00.36 | brlcad | hence you used ldadd, so it presumes a binary program and gives an error about no adrttest_la program |
| 02:01.00 | tegtmeye | or drate four thos wo caan reed |
| 02:01.37 | brlcad | huukt awn fonicks |
| 02:02.21 | pra5ad | mike, does stringstream.str() create a copy? |
| 02:02.36 | tegtmeye | yes it does |
| 02:02.46 | tegtmeye | lol... |
| 02:02.47 | pra5ad | how bout c_str() |
| 02:02.50 | tegtmeye | no |
| 02:02.53 | pra5ad | k |
| 02:03.55 | brlcad | hence the constness of the type it returns :P |
| 02:04.34 | brlcad | the old sgi references are great for stl info |
| 02:06.59 | pra5ad | id rather ask mike "i breath stl" tegtmeyer |
| 02:07.00 | pra5ad | =) |
| 02:07.04 | pra5ad | breathe* |
| 02:08.56 | tegtmeye | ;) |
| 02:12.38 | ``Erik | O.o |
| 02:14.06 | ``Erik | when I looked at stl, sgi was the only implementation worth noting o.O |
| 02:15.01 | brlcad | although these days their implementation is crippled with a few critical bugs that they have no intention of ever fixing (at least for mips) |
| 02:16.28 | tegtmeye | nah... gcc's is pretty good these days |
| 02:17.04 | brlcad | actually probably the best now that comes to mind |
| 02:18.57 | tegtmeye | metrowerks and stlport also have complete ones, as far as I know, but |
| 02:19.25 | tegtmeye | youd have to really look hard to find the advantages of one over the other... |
| 02:19.48 | tegtmeye | harder than I feel like looking anyway |
| 02:35.17 | tegtmeye | anyone remember off the top of their head what the *name" of the stdin fd is? (I know it is 0)... |
| 02:35.43 | tegtmeye | I thought that there was a stdin_fd macro assigned to it in posix... |
| 02:35.54 | tegtmeye | or somethng like that... |
| 02:36.01 | brlcad | eh, isn't it just 'stdin' |
| 02:36.12 | tegtmeye | I thought that was a FILE* |
| 02:36.26 | brlcad | hmm |
| 02:37.02 | brlcad | so it is |
| 02:38.42 | brlcad | STDIN_FILENO |
| 02:38.50 | brlcad | is in unistd.h |
| 02:39.03 | brlcad | seems reasonable |
| 02:39.15 | tegtmeye | ah... thanks, I couldn;t find it... |
| 02:39.35 | tegtmeye | your googling is faster than mine... |
| 02:41.46 | tegtmeye | well your grey matter is denser than mine then ;) |
| 02:47.52 | tegtmeye | sweet! now if you can just point me in the right direction with that whole IN_MEM thing, I could test it out... |
| 02:47.56 | tegtmeye | jk |
| 02:48.12 | brlcad | i've been mentally preparing |
| 02:52.16 | brlcad | only half joking, would like a tool slightly useful.. current idea is to implement a tool similar to ttcp for the geometry utilizing libpkg (net transfer) and librt (.g management) |
| 02:52.39 | brlcad | unless you can think of something better |
| 02:52.58 | brlcad | you'd then be able to rip out libpkg for mpi or just follow example |
| 02:55.53 | tegtmeye | whatever is easiest for you, networking stuff is pretty easy, it would be nice to not have to have a dependency on libpkg though... |
| 02:58.44 | tegtmeye | Name: ttcp |
| 02:58.45 | tegtmeye | Version: 1.10 |
| 02:58.45 | tegtmeye | Category:net |
| 02:58.45 | tegtmeye | Maintainers:fenner research.att.com |
| 02:58.45 | tegtmeye | Description:Benchmarking tool for analysing TCP and UDP performance |
| 02:58.48 | tegtmeye | Long Description: TTCP is a benchmarking tool for determining TCP and UDP performance between 2 systems. The program was created at the US Army Ballistics Research Lab (BRL) and is in the public domain. Feel free to distribute this program but please do leave the credit notices in the source and man page intact. |
| 02:59.10 | tegtmeye | Had to look that one up. |
| 02:59.25 | tegtmeye | Kinda cool it was made by us. |
| 02:59.42 | brlcad | muuss wrote it around the time of ping |
| 03:00.00 | tegtmeye | cool |
| 03:01.02 | brlcad | it's even standardized into one of the networking specs, rfc something |
| 03:01.14 | brlcad | always been included in brl-cad too |
| 03:01.18 | tegtmeye | yea, jsut saw that |
| 03:02.02 | brlcad | works great for raw network testing or even for transferring files |
| 03:02.02 | pra5ad | yo someone pls tell wendy/john that i will be 'officially' late tomorrow |
| 03:02.07 | pra5ad | ty =) |
| 03:04.07 | pra5ad | i need to buy a pair of crutches |
| 03:04.18 | tegtmeye | eh? |
| 03:04.47 | tegtmeye | typing with your toes again? |
| 03:07.55 | pra5ad | ask my fitness instructor |
| 03:08.46 | brlcad | didn't do legs yesterday |
| 03:09.16 | brlcad | unless you hammies are all sore from the back extensions :) |
| 03:11.25 | tegtmeye | later guys |
| 03:32.44 | ``Erik | heh |
| 04:11.23 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/bench/run.sh: protect against division by negative numbers and returning a negative variance, fixes benchmark output complaining about trying to take a square root of a negative number |
| 04:15.49 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/NEWS: (log message trimmed) |
| 04:15.49 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: the variance computations in the benchmark suite weren't correctly |
| 04:15.49 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: checking for a negative average error causing a negative variance |
| 04:15.49 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: causing a computation of a sqrt against that negative causing the |
| 04:15.49 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: suite to catch and output the error as: |
| 04:15.49 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: ERROR: square root of negative numbers is only in your imagination |
| 04:15.51 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: awk: division by zero |
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| 18:13.03 | cad082 | brlcad |
| 18:13.13 | clock_ | hi |
| 18:13.15 | brlcad | moo |
| 18:13.25 | cad082 | where are u |
| 18:13.59 | cad082 | u bailed on gym :\ |
| 18:14.09 | brlcad | ah, you |
| 18:14.10 | clock_ | brlcad: do you ride surfboard? |
| 18:14.24 | brlcad | clock_: yes, though only a few times |
| 18:14.33 | clock_ | brlcad: and skateboard? |
| 18:14.38 | clock_ | brlcad: wow, that's cool and l33t :) |
| 18:14.41 | brlcad | cad082: you're un-named if you don't provide a callsign :P |
| 18:14.44 | clock_ | and wicked ;-) |
| 18:15.06 | clock_ | brlcad: where are you actually from? |
| 18:15.14 | sean_morrison | so |
| 18:15.17 | brlcad | cad082: and I'm not guaranteed to be in the rest of the week (though I'll undoubtedly arrive at some point to submit some papers) |
| 18:15.26 | *** kick/#brlcad [sean_morrison!n=sean@pdpc/supporter/silver/brlcad] by brlcad (brlcad) | |
| 18:15.26 | clock_ | sean_morrison: and you? are you a surfer? |
| 18:15.41 | brlcad | he's just someone trying to cause trouble |
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| 18:16.06 | pra5ad2 | wtf |
| 18:16.09 | pra5ad2 | no <3 |
| 18:16.18 | pra5ad2 | so yea |
| 18:16.23 | brlcad | you felt the love :) |
| 18:16.35 | brlcad | how are the wings? |
| 18:16.35 | pra5ad2 | u at home or what |
| 18:16.40 | brlcad | yep |
| 18:16.46 | pra5ad2 | wuss |
| 18:16.46 | clock_ | what love? is anyone gay here? |
| 18:16.53 | brlcad | heh clock_ |
| 18:17.08 | clock_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:17.13 | brlcad | clock_: i tried skateboarding in my younger years, wasn't too successful |
| 18:17.24 | brlcad | clock_: no, but I've visited several times |
| 18:17.26 | clock_ | brlcad: cool! leet! wicked! |
| 18:17.37 | clock_ | brlcad: and have you seen dogtown and z-boys? |
| 18:18.23 | brlcad | that doesn't ring a bell |
| 18:18.23 | pra5ad2 | i'd be surprised |
| 18:18.23 | clock_ | brlcad: yes I am posessed by the evil daemon of Jay Adams HA HA HA HA HAAA! |
| 18:18.23 | pra5ad2 | har har |
| 18:19.01 | brlcad | the skateboarder? |
| 18:19.07 | clock_ | brlcad: yes |
| 18:19.17 | pra5ad2 | R j00 4 l33t h4X0R 700 ? |
| 18:19.24 | clock_ | brlcad: and have you been to the dogtown? |
| 18:19.39 | brlcad | doesn't ring a bell |
| 18:20.02 | pra5ad2 | u in tomorrow? |
| 18:20.08 | brlcad | so pra5ad2, how are the wings holding up? |
| 18:20.13 | clock_ | brlcad: free software developer and is a skater *and* surfer! |
| 18:20.18 | pra5ad2 | wings? what wings |
| 18:20.28 | brlcad | lats |
| 18:20.31 | pra5ad2 | oh |
| 18:20.41 | clock_ | brlcad: are you going to gym? |
| 18:20.46 | pra5ad2 | its not bad |
| 18:20.52 | pra5ad2 | im limping tho |
| 18:20.56 | brlcad | pra5ad2: not yet at least :) |
| 18:20.58 | pra5ad2 | calves are shot |
| 18:21.28 | brlcad | i somehow bet you will be sore bad, you seem to be 24-48 hour pain |
| 18:21.33 | brlcad | clock_: yes |
| 18:22.15 | pra5ad2 | so says the guy who stayed home today |
| 18:22.35 | pra5ad2 | .g to ? |
| 18:23.46 | brlcad | transferring the .g over the net keeping it in-memory only |
| 18:23.48 | pra5ad2 | interesting |
| 18:23.48 | brlcad | heh, split |
| 18:24.10 | pra5ad2 | who's mr. clock_ ? |
| 18:24.11 | brlcad | someone else apparently |
| 18:24.31 | archivist | perhaps he's at the xmas spirit |
| 18:24.51 | brlcad | or drunk and lost 10 years age |
| 18:25.42 | pra5ad2 | so u in tomorrow or what |
| 18:26.03 | brlcad | pra5ad2: example use that both tegt and I have in mind.. send the .g file to some remote processing unit for distributed work |
| 18:26.34 | brlcad | e.g. an mpi raytracer or .. an mpi lethality server, etc |
| 18:26.42 | pra5ad2 | ya |
| 18:26.52 | brlcad | pretty simple |
| 18:27.09 | brlcad | but the only example code that does this right now is the remote raytracer remrt |
| 18:27.16 | brlcad | which includes a ton of other logic |
| 18:27.42 | brlcad | load balancing, throttling, failure recovery, etc |
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| 18:28.14 | brlcad | the prodigal clock_ winds his way back |
| 18:28.33 | clock_ | brlcad: how old are you actually? |
| 18:28.33 | clock_ | brlcad: prodigal? |
| 18:28.54 | brlcad | old enough |
| 18:29.15 | brlcad | young at heart fortunately ;) |
| 18:29.21 | clock_ | brlcad: 46? |
| 18:29.31 | pra5ad2 | 42 |
| 18:29.36 | archivist | 97 |
| 18:29.46 | brlcad | the answer to everything |
| 18:29.51 | pra5ad2 | 1337 |
| 18:30.03 | brlcad | we actually have a bz dev in his late 80s |
| 18:30.10 | clock_ | what's bz dev? |
| 18:30.12 | brlcad | one of the best |
| 18:30.16 | brlcad | bzflag |
| 18:30.19 | pra5ad2 | bobs? |
| 18:30.21 | brlcad | another project I dev on |
| 18:30.22 | pra5ad2 | oh |
| 18:30.22 | clock_ | bzflag? |
| 18:30.33 | pra5ad2 | im out, lata |
| 18:30.34 | clock_ | late 80's = early -10's ;-) |
| 18:31.05 | brlcad | clock_: it's a game |
| 18:31.22 | clock_ | brlcad: but how old are you, seriously? |
| 18:31.25 | brlcad | fairly popular for open source |
| 18:31.34 | brlcad | seriously, i'm not going to tell you ;) |
| 18:31.38 | clock_ | rings a bell a bit |
| 18:31.54 | brlcad | unless we meet in person |
| 18:32.00 | clock_ | brlcad: OK |
| 18:32.06 | brlcad | come to siggraph, i'm usually there ;) |
| 18:33.42 | clock_ | brlcad: why not? security measure? |
| 18:34.08 | brlcad | well several reasons |
| 18:34.20 | brlcad | it's not relevant to getting any work done here |
| 18:34.50 | brlcad | security is always an issue |
| 18:35.05 | brlcad | everything is logged and publicly archived |
| 18:35.26 | clock_ | what server is this? |
| 18:35.35 | brlcad | server? |
| 18:35.38 | clock_ | yes |
| 18:35.44 | brlcad | this is the freenode network |
| 18:35.50 | clock_ | aha |
| 18:36.02 | brlcad | who are you and what have you done with clock_ |
| 18:36.22 | clock_ | and what if someone knew how old you are and where you live? |
| 18:37.14 | brlcad | i'm not going to say why that is or isn't something undesireable here |
| 18:38.03 | brlcad | again, regardless it's not in the least bit relevant here |
| 18:38.33 | clock_ | brlcad: where do you stand on the surfboard? |
| 18:38.40 | brlcad | heh |
| 18:38.42 | clock_ | in the middle? in the back? |
| 18:38.57 | brlcad | whatever keeps me upright :) |
| 18:39.25 | brlcad | usually in the middle or towards the front |
| 18:39.26 | clock_ | brlcad: why does the board turn when you lean to the side? Because the leaned to side gets more drag? |
| 18:40.09 | brlcad | not really, you're cutting into the water with that edge |
| 18:40.39 | clock_ | brlcad: but why cutting into the water makes the board turn? |
| 18:40.55 | clock_ | I understand it with my skateboard - there are trucks that turn - but not with surfboard |
| 18:41.03 | brlcad | the board isn't perfectly flat |
| 18:41.20 | clock_ | are you talking about the bottom or the top? |
| 18:41.28 | brlcad | the whole thing |
| 18:41.35 | clock_ | is it bent? |
| 18:41.49 | brlcad | lay it on the ground, you'll see it curves |
| 18:41.53 | clock_ | like the middle lower and the ends higher? |
| 18:42.02 | brlcad | right |
| 18:42.03 | clock_ | how much? |
| 18:42.08 | brlcad | heh |
| 18:42.10 | clock_ | do you have a .g model of a surfboard? *G* |
| 18:42.13 | brlcad | depends on the board |
| 18:42.29 | brlcad | no, but you could make one pretty quickly |
| 18:42.43 | clock_ | brlcad: more bent -> you can cut sharper curves? |
| 18:43.24 | brlcad | it's like the turning radius of a car, big boards have a slow curve, harder to turn generally |
| 18:43.37 | brlcad | smaller boards curve small, so they're more agile |
| 18:44.08 | brlcad | can't curve too much or it'd mess with riding the wave I'd imagine |
| 18:44.57 | clock_ | have you surfed in santa monica? |
| 18:45.07 | clock_ | have you been there between 1970 and 1975? |
| 18:45.44 | brlcad | close to santa monica, further south -- i only started surfing a couple years ago |
| 18:46.43 | clock_ | and have you been to santa monica between 1970 and 1975? |
| 18:47.20 | brlcad | why? |
| 18:47.44 | clock_ | if you saw the pacific ocean park debris |
| 18:47.48 | ``Erik | O.o |
| 18:47.57 | clock_ | and the rundown neighbourhood around |
| 18:48.08 | clock_ | ``Erik: what do you mean with this? |
| 18:48.18 | ``Erik | I mean O.o |
| 18:48.20 | ``Erik | opposed to o.O |
| 18:48.21 | ``Erik | :) |
| 18:48.22 | brlcad | :) |
| 18:48.26 | clock_ | what does this smilie mean? |
| 18:48.37 | brlcad | what do all your questions mean? |
| 18:48.39 | ``Erik | it's either a cocked eyebrow, or a 'bill the cat' look |
| 18:48.58 | clock_ | brlcad: nothing. what do you expect they would mean? |
| 18:49.09 | brlcad | or that his jewels are hanging out of balance today |
| 18:49.29 | clock_ | That I want to stalk you with a sniper gun and the only thing that I miss to find out where you are is to know if you have been to SM between 1970 and 1975? |
| 18:49.49 | brlcad | ahh, well if that's all |
| 18:50.19 | clock_ | brlcad: I'm just curious |
| 18:51.21 | ``Erik | uh oh, I lost my spoon |
| 18:51.34 | brlcad | sporks! |
| 18:52.03 | brlcad | ~sporks |
| 18:52.15 | brlcad | hmm |
| 18:52.16 | brlcad | ~spork |
| 18:52.18 | ibot | [spork] an amazing utensil, because it's totally useless as a fork, and totally useless as a spoon, yet everyone has used one before |
| 18:52.23 | clock_ | brlcad: answer, answer, worse questions will follow ;-) |
| 18:52.55 | ``Erik | "mah spoon is too big!" bitter films - rejected |
| 18:54.28 | clock_ | brlcad: OK ask me anything from Ronja design |
| 18:54.35 | brlcad | heh |
| 18:54.55 | clock_ | how should I prove my identity? |
| 18:55.03 | clock_ | send you an e-mail from faked clock@twibright.com address? |
| 18:55.04 | brlcad | btw I presented a brief overview of ronja to some other cad folk |
| 18:55.08 | brlcad | they liked |
| 18:55.18 | clock_ | because a lot of nuts and bolts? :D |
| 18:56.15 | brlcad | just the entire concept of the project, and the detail provided |
| 18:56.30 | brlcad | not to mention the usage of brl-cad too |
| 18:56.50 | brlcad | stil going though the reported issues |
| 18:57.18 | clock_ | brlcad: I *am* riding a skateboard: http://images.twibright.com/tns/1c0e.html |
| 18:57.35 | clock_ | http://images.twibright.com/images/ronja/promotion/wsfii_london/dscn1582.jpg |
| 18:57.58 | brlcad | nice shot |
| 18:58.02 | clock_ | and look at the bottom news image on the left side: http://ronja.twibright.com/ |
| 18:58.29 | clock_ | http://ronja.twibright.com/drawings/ronja_offspring.php |
| 18:58.57 | brlcad | ahh, you changed the site.. |
| 18:59.09 | brlcad | i like the new layout |
| 19:00.01 | clock_ | brlcad: YES I AM THE EVIL DAEMON OF JAY ADDAMS AND I HACKED THIS KOOK'S SITE AND NOW I AM GONNA BEAT THE SHIT OF INFORMATION OUT OF YOU AND THEN STALK YOU AND TRACE YOU AND KILL YOU THE SAME WAY I KILLED THE FUCKING FAGGOT WHICH THEN GOT ME INTO JAIL *MUHAHAHAHAHA* |
| 19:01.24 | brlcad | i don't mind the killing and stalking, but do you have to trace? |
| 19:04.19 | clock_ | brlcad: thanks for liking the new layout |
| 19:05.11 | clock_ | brlcad: no I'm just joking. I'm not really pozessed, nor anyhow Jay Adams figures here. |
| 19:05.55 | clock_ | brlcad: actually was you 1970-1975 in Santa Monica>? |
| 19:06.57 | brlcad | heh |
| 19:07.28 | brlcad | i don't think i was |
| 19:07.34 | clock_ | brlcad: actually can someone get into legal trouble when he uses "kill you" and "stalk you" in an obvious joke in IRC? |
| 19:07.35 | brlcad | but my memory is foggy |
| 19:07.47 | brlcad | heh, sure can :) |
| 19:07.51 | clock_ | omg! |
| 19:08.09 | clock_ | brlcad: how? |
| 19:08.13 | brlcad | especially since irony and intent don't come across |
| 19:08.26 | clock_ | what does the last sentence mean? |
| 19:09.06 | brlcad | whether you are joking or not doesn't exactly always get conveyed when just writing text |
| 19:09.18 | clock_ | brlcad: I was definitely joking |
| 19:09.20 | brlcad | no matter how much you're laughing in your chair or how many smilies you use |
| 19:09.25 | brlcad | ;) |
| 19:09.32 | clock_ | brlcad: hereby I assure you that I was only joking :) |
| 19:12.12 | brlcad | heh |
| 19:12.17 | brlcad | good to know |
| 19:12.31 | brlcad | clock_ has a sense of humor, albeit somewhat twisted :) |
| 19:12.48 | clock_ | brlcad: albeit a bit black ;-) |
| 19:12.58 | brlcad | that too |
| 19:13.18 | clock_ | Let's call it "black humour in the style of Goedel Escher Bach: The golden Brain" |
| 19:13.21 | clock_ | Brain -> Braid |
| 19:13.22 | brlcad | i'm sure there's probably another joke in there about twisted black bits, but I'm not going to touch it |
| 19:13.42 | clock_ | twister black bits? |
| 19:13.47 | clock_ | twisted |
| 19:13.55 | brlcad | never mind :) |
| 19:13.56 | clock_ | I didn't joke about Pacific Ocean Park |
| 19:14.11 | brlcad | i didn't either, don't know what you're talking about :) |
| 19:14.20 | clock_ | brlcad: and I also assure you that I wasn't, am not, and don't plan to be posessed by any daemon. |
| 19:14.26 | clock_ | brlcad: that was just a joke, too. |
| 19:14.59 | clock_ | brlcad: or do you mean the fact that Jay Addams killed a gay man? |
| 19:15.19 | clock_ | brlcad: are you gay? |
| 19:15.29 | brlcad | i didn't know that he did that |
| 19:15.35 | clock_ | brlcad: he did. |
| 19:15.50 | brlcad | alas i'm a happy fellow, but not gay nor homophobic |
| 19:16.19 | clock_ | brlcad: I am asking because I am gay, not because I want to pry out sensitive information from you ;-) |
| 19:16.41 | clock_ | Nor in the connection with the fact that Jay Adams killed a gay man. |
| 19:16.46 | brlcad | i figured |
| 19:17.00 | clock_ | from what? |
| 19:17.03 | clock_ | e-mail headers? |
| 19:17.13 | clock_ | brlcad: are you goofy or regular? |
| 19:17.27 | brlcad | i have no idea what that means |
| 19:17.59 | clock_ | brlcad: do you ride with your right foot in front or with left? |
| 19:18.06 | brlcad | heh |
| 19:18.23 | brlcad | i'm a starboard when rowing crew |
| 19:18.40 | clock_ | what does it mean? |
| 19:18.49 | brlcad | exactly what i'm wondering :) |
| 19:19.19 | clock_ | this is really horrible conversation ;-) |
| 19:19.25 | brlcad | :) |
| 19:24.37 | clock_ | brlcad: with a bayesian classifier someone could probably find out how old you are from the text you write |
| 19:24.55 | clock_ | but since you are not gay, it doesn't make sense for me to be interested ;-) |
| 19:25.16 | clock_ | brlcad: how old do you guess I am? |
| 19:26.26 | brlcad | if those pictures are of you, early/mid 20s |
| 19:27.06 | brlcad | age is a state of mind |
| 19:27.37 | clock_ | brlcad: hehe thanks, I'm 26 |
| 19:27.41 | brlcad | clock_: you can be interested, I just won't exactly reciprocate in the same manner :) |
| 19:28.00 | clock_ | brlcad: no I am not interested in anyone who's not gay |
| 19:28.51 | brlcad | mine's a logarithm i think |
| 19:30.42 | ``Erik | mine stays at 2 :( |
| 19:32.36 | clock_ | brlcad: so are you like 64? |
| 19:32.55 | brlcad | heh, not even close |
| 19:32.56 | ``Erik | *snort* |
| 19:33.02 | clock_ | 32 |
| 19:33.09 | ``Erik | more like 14 o.O *duck* |
| 19:33.21 | brlcad | we're back to this whole age guessing personal info topic ;) |
| 19:33.44 | brlcad | ``Erik: I wish, with what i know now.. |
| 19:33.49 | ``Erik | don't we all? |
| 19:34.06 | clock_ | brlcad: to be how much? 6? 12? 15? 18? 20? |
| 19:34.20 | brlcad | any of those will do quite nicely |
| 19:34.31 | ``Erik | I'd even be happy being 26 again, heh |
| 19:34.56 | ``Erik | heh |
| 19:35.00 | ``Erik | you should work on the other project |
| 19:35.11 | ``Erik | we get to spend our entire day waiting for compile and test cycles |
| 19:35.14 | ``Erik | no coding involved |
| 19:35.38 | brlcad | heh |
| 19:35.44 | clock_ | Decline in sexual activity can be observed in men starting with 90 |
| 19:35.45 | ``Erik | productivity ain't our style, yo |
| 19:36.00 | ``Erik | s/90/marraige/ ? |
| 19:36.01 | brlcad | there's a good slogan |
| 19:36.45 | brlcad | with the yo of course |
| 19:36.51 | ``Erik | heh |
| 19:37.26 | clock_ | ok I'm leaving for now |
| 19:37.30 | clock_ | have a nice time here |
| 19:37.45 | ``Erik | I spent friday evening arguing with john infront of wendy about the future of the project, mondy morning arguing to the team, then standing there with john to explain it to dixie... I've pissed enough people off for a few days :) |
| 19:38.25 | ``Erik | that boy is fucked up in the head o.O |
| 19:41.15 | brlcad | heh, and like you're not |
| 19:46.11 | ``Erik | true |
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| 20:33.54 | pier | Hi everyone in the list |
| 20:34.51 | brlcad | howdy pier |
| 20:35.21 | pier | hi brlcad |
| 20:36.08 | pier | I have been messing around with brlcad for about a month now |
| 20:36.23 | brlcad | excellent |
| 20:36.31 | pier | and I think that it is really nice |
| 20:36.42 | pier | though I am not an expert |
| 20:36.44 | brlcad | glad you think so |
| 20:36.54 | brlcad | the experts I know think so too |
| 20:37.08 | brlcad | though there's always/definitely lots of places it can be improved |
| 20:37.11 | brlcad | and will be |
| 20:37.21 | brlcad | all just a matter of time and priorities ;) |
| 20:37.30 | pier | now I am trying to export a printout of my masterpieces :) |
| 20:37.48 | brlcad | ahh, yes |
| 20:38.07 | brlcad | you have several means to capture printouts |
| 20:38.17 | pier | and I am getting mad with the ps output |
| 20:38.18 | brlcad | conversion of the wireframe to postscript/lot |
| 20:38.21 | brlcad | s/lot/plot/ |
| 20:38.26 | brlcad | heh, okay |
| 20:38.37 | brlcad | you also tried rtedge and/or rtwizard? |
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| 20:38.46 | pra5ad2 | brlcad |
| 20:38.49 | pier | no, not yet |
| 20:39.06 | pier | but now I am fighting with fonts in ps files |
| 20:39.13 | pra5ad2 | how do you override the compiler in configure.ac? |
| 20:39.15 | brlcad | if you have something open in mged already, you can type: rtedge -F/dev/Xl |
| 20:39.29 | pier | ok |
| 20:39.30 | brlcad | pra5ad2: ./configure CC=whatever |
| 20:39.42 | pra5ad2 | can't u add an entry in configure.ac? |
| 20:39.54 | brlcad | you can, you're not supposed to |
| 20:40.08 | pra5ad2 | ok |
| 20:40.24 | brlcad | you can test if it's not set and if it's not, change the default |
| 20:40.36 | brlcad | by just setting CC |
| 20:41.09 | pier | wow |
| 20:41.46 | pier | got the hidden lines removed!! |
| 20:41.57 | pier | feel pretty dumb |
| 20:41.59 | brlcad | heh |
| 20:42.12 | brlcad | no need for that, how would you have known ;) |
| 20:42.39 | pier | perhaps readin again the TOMES :) |
| 20:42.56 | brlcad | there are probably a lot more things like that you don't know about |
| 20:42.59 | brlcad | :) |
| 20:43.10 | pier | You bet |
| 20:43.41 | pier | I'll perform a test |
| 20:44.29 | pier | I forgot the command (damn..) |
| 20:44.37 | brlcad | test of what? |
| 20:45.02 | pier | I am courious to see if I still have problems with fonts |
| 20:45.46 | pier | I am never able to view (gv) the output ps file on account of references to fonts |
| 20:46.14 | pier | unless I manually remove any reference to fnt in the ps file |
| 20:46.21 | brlcad | how are you generating the ps file? |
| 20:46.36 | brlcad | there shouldn't be font references |
| 20:47.20 | pier | with the menu command File -> renderview -> postscript |
| 20:47.46 | brlcad | hrmm |
| 20:47.58 | pier | now I don't know how to generate the ps file of the n.1 fb window |
| 20:48.20 | pier | the one I generated with the command you suggested |
| 20:48.35 | brlcad | rtedge doesn't generate postscript, it generates images |
| 20:48.43 | pier | yes |
| 20:49.01 | brlcad | you can extract that image as a postscript image, but usually better to just keep it as an image (e.g. a png or somesuch) |
| 20:49.22 | pier | but how one can export the image as ps |
| 20:49.41 | brlcad | that window is just a lingering framebuffer window when you use -F/dev/Xl (a lingering 24bit X11 interface) |
| 20:49.59 | pier | I need it to print the views and put dimensions on them |
| 20:50.24 | brlcad | you can render directly to file with the -o option to rtedge rtedge -o somefile.pix |
| 20:50.40 | brlcad | use -s for the image size (e.g. -s 1024 for 1024x1024) |
| 20:51.13 | pier | ok but I need a format that I can put my hands on |
| 20:51.23 | brlcad | you can convert a pix file with the pix-ps command |
| 20:51.31 | brlcad | png with the pix-png command |
| 20:51.46 | pier | ah |
| 20:51.49 | brlcad | pix-[tab][tab] to get a list of the various formats you can export to |
| 20:51.53 | brlcad | (in bash) |
| 20:52.19 | brlcad | or pix[tab][tab] for all the pix tools |
| 20:52.21 | pier | but is the ps file got from a pix accurate enough? |
| 20:52.40 | brlcad | only as accurate as the pix |
| 20:53.00 | pier | this is the problem |
| 20:53.08 | brlcad | if you want to actually print something at 600dpi, that's going to be a pretty big image |
| 20:53.33 | pier | May I explain the way I proceed now? |
| 20:53.38 | brlcad | sure |
| 20:54.18 | pier | Imagine I have produced a ps file from the menu command |
| 20:54.56 | pier | I open it and remove all the damned references to fonts |
| 20:55.20 | brlcad | k |
| 20:55.35 | pier | then I convert it to dxf 2d view which I can scale and put the correct dimension on |
| 20:56.00 | pier | pstoedit -f dxf fresa_t.ps fresa_t.dxf |
| 20:56.10 | pier | for example |
| 20:56.33 | brlcad | interesting, okay |
| 20:56.50 | pier | Is that a hawkward way to proceed? |
| 20:57.15 | brlcad | pstoedit is complaining about the font? |
| 20:57.21 | pier | yes |
| 20:57.38 | pier | not only pstoedit but any viewer I use |
| 20:57.40 | brlcad | you tried different font settings on the postscript panel? |
| 20:58.03 | brlcad | fourth line lets you select the font, default is Courier iirc |
| 20:58.12 | pier | ghostview and internal kde kpsview |
| 20:58.19 | pier | yes |
| 20:58.22 | brlcad | i mean in mged |
| 20:58.29 | pier | I did that too :( |
| 20:58.48 | pier | I don't understand |
| 21:00.09 | brlcad | hmm and they all give you font warnings/errors? |
| 21:00.09 | pier | Sean, is it possible to produce the view in F 1 as a ps file? |
| 21:00.14 | pier | yes |
| 21:01.47 | pier | I mean what command the menu file call when the ps file of the graphic mged window is produced? |
| 21:07.30 | brlcad | the menu item ends up calling init_psTool |
| 21:09.43 | pier | ok |
| 21:10.14 | brlcad | but not meant to be called directly |
| 21:10.26 | brlcad | that ends up calling do_ps |
| 21:10.32 | pier | ok |
| 21:11.03 | pier | is that a shell command in /brlcad/bin? |
| 21:11.35 | brlcad | no, it's an mged command, it's talking directly to mged's display manager |
| 21:12.51 | brlcad | only mged talks to the display manager |
| 21:12.58 | pier | it'a a build in compiled function |
| 21:12.59 | brlcad | the other tools talk to framebuffers |
| 21:13.08 | brlcad | it's not compiled, it's tclscripting |
| 21:13.15 | pier | ok |
| 21:13.27 | brlcad | lives in share/brlcad/version/tclscripts directory |
| 21:13.59 | pier | weird that fb created with rtedge becomes [defunct] after a while |
| 21:14.09 | pier | yet it is visible |
| 21:15.09 | pier | is it possible to get rtedge plot on the mged graphic display? |
| 21:15.15 | brlcad | it's set to be unresponsive, just waiting for closure |
| 21:15.32 | brlcad | yeah, you can render to the framebuffer in mged |
| 21:15.33 | pier | I see |
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| 21:16.13 | pier | how? [if I am pestering you just tell...] |
| 21:17.15 | brlcad | first make sure the framebuffer is turned on |
| 21:17.23 | pier | ok |
| 21:17.25 | brlcad | Settings->Framebuffer, make sure the last two options are on |
| 21:17.47 | pier | they are |
| 21:17.55 | brlcad | then you should be able to run: rtedge -F0 |
| 21:18.07 | pier | so 0 is the number |
| 21:18.24 | brlcad | it's technically a port number |
| 21:18.38 | brlcad | 0 being the first, if 0 was in use, it'd use 1 |
| 21:18.41 | brlcad | etc |
| 21:19.11 | pier | yep. Thanks |
| 21:20.30 | brlcad | you can start your own framebuffer server with the fbserv command |
| 21:20.56 | pier | of course the menu command File -> renderview -> postscript will output the wireframe with visible hidden lines all the same |
| 21:21.14 | pier | yes I learnt how to do that |
| 21:21.38 | pier | It was learner a week ago to tell me |
| 21:24.42 | pier | may I send the error message I get about font? |
| 21:25.14 | brlcad | yep, the postscript does a dump of what you're seeing in the mged display |
| 21:25.20 | brlcad | sure please do |
| 21:25.24 | pier | ok |
| 21:25.26 | pier | Error: /invalidfont in findfont |
| 21:25.31 | pier | Operand stack: |
| 21:25.37 | pier | FntH Courier Font Courier 183935 Courier --nostringval-- Courier NimbusMonL-Regu |
| 21:25.37 | pier | Execution stack: |
| 21:25.46 | pier | cution stack: |
| 21:25.47 | pier | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:25.47 | pier | --nostringval-- --nostringval-- --nostringval-- false 1 %stopped_push 6 4 %oparray_pop --nostringval-- --nostringval-- --nostringval-- 1 -1 1 --nostringval-- %for_neg_int_continue |
| 21:25.47 | pier | Dictionary stack: |
| 21:25.49 | pier | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:25.52 | pier | Current allocation mode is local |
| 21:25.55 | pier | Last OS error: 2 |
| 21:25.56 | pier | Current file position is 249 |
| 21:25.58 | pier | ESP Ghostscript 815.01: Unrecoverable error, exit code 1 |
| 21:26.00 | pier | taht's greek to me |
| 21:26.22 | pier | now I revone the following lines |
| 21:26.26 | pier | remove |
| 21:26.45 | brlcad | hmm |
| 21:27.13 | pier | t |
| 21:27.22 | pra5ad2 | exit |
| 21:27.22 | pra5ad2 | xit |
| 21:27.26 | pra5ad2 | er |
| 21:27.27 | brlcad | it's not understanding the FntH findfont directive |
| 21:27.35 | pier | "/FntH /Courier findfont 80 scalefont def" |
| 21:27.39 | pier | etc |
| 21:27.50 | brlcad | yeah |
| 21:27.55 | pier | "/DFntL { /FntL /Courier findfont 73.4 scalefont def } def" |
| 21:28.09 | brlcad | maybe a complaince issue with 1.0 |
| 21:28.17 | pier | ? |
| 21:28.24 | pier | sorry |
| 21:30.18 | pier | now the image is visible but not printable...... |
| 21:30.40 | pier | I ps2pdf it and finally it is printable |
| 21:30.51 | pier | spooky |
| 21:31.38 | brlcad | ps2pdf gives the font error too? |
| 21:33.17 | pier | no unless I remove the obovementioned lines |
| 21:35.29 | pier | I get errors with dxf files got with g-dxf too [Autocad doesn't open the files and complain] |
| 21:37.18 | pier | I had a look at the g-dxf source to have an idea on how it works and write a g-dxf-modified command apt to produce 2d views |
| 21:38.26 | brlcad | the dxf converter isn't trivial but it should be fully compliant with their spec |
| 21:39.13 | pier | of the object but I must admit it's beyond me |
| 21:39.41 | pier | I'll have a look at it to pinpoint the error message |
| 21:40.16 | brlcad | please report it http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=105292&atid=640802 |
| 21:40.58 | pier | ok, I'll do it. |
| 21:41.17 | brlcad | if you can provide the .g, that would be even better |
| 21:41.54 | pier | who am I supposed to provide the file to? |
| 21:42.20 | pier | to the address above? |
| 21:42.27 | brlcad | yeah |
| 21:42.33 | brlcad | as part of the bug report |
| 21:42.33 | pier | OK |
| 21:42.36 | brlcad | you can attach files |
| 21:42.57 | pier | explaining all the ps and dxf stuff? |
| 21:42.57 | brlcad | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=add&group_id=105292&atid=640802 |
| 21:43.09 | brlcad | one report per problem :) |
| 21:43.17 | pier | ok :) |
| 21:43.24 | brlcad | i'm looking into the ps one now |
| 21:44.48 | pier | tried to google for ps lexicon but no luck |
| 21:45.53 | pier | In any case I did a bit of a progress today too |
| 21:46.28 | pier | I got my first dxf view I can work on with dimentions and that makes me happy |
| 21:47.00 | pier | I can call it a day now |
| 21:47.12 | pier | time to go to bed |
| 21:47.18 | brlcad | do you have the Courier font? |
| 21:47.27 | brlcad | size 80 |
| 21:47.36 | pier | wait.... |
| 21:47.58 | brlcad | wondering if the error is real and we're just outputting a size yours wont make for some reason |
| 21:48.43 | pier | courier 4.5 |
| 21:48.55 | pier | is set in the window |
| 21:49.02 | pier | text box |
| 21:49.12 | brlcad | i mean if you have courier installed as a system font |
| 21:49.30 | pier | ... how could I work it out? |
| 21:49.58 | pier | now I don't remember |
| 21:50.02 | brlcad | locate cour | grep font |
| 21:50.20 | brlcad | or maybe "locate Courier" |
| 21:50.35 | pier | flooded ... wait... |
| 21:50.43 | brlcad | then you do have it |
| 21:50.55 | brlcad | okay, i'll keep looking into it |
| 21:50.57 | pier | qiute a few |
| 21:51.01 | brlcad | thanks for the report |
| 21:51.08 | brlcad | i'm guessing it's size related right now |
| 21:51.17 | brlcad | i'll see if I can reproduce it here |
| 21:51.21 | brlcad | what OS are you on? |
| 21:51.57 | pier | Linux Slack 10.2 Ker 2.4.31 |
| 21:52.14 | brlcad | ah, k |
| 21:52.21 | pier | courier size available 75 and 100 dpi |
| 21:52.32 | brlcad | don't have a slackware to test on, but i should be able to pin down another linux close enough |
| 21:53.48 | CIA-5 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/BUGS: /FntH /Courier findfont 80 scalefont def is giving errors in ghostview tools: Error: /invalidfont in findfont |
| 21:54.09 | pier | tried with courier 75 but no dice |
| 21:57.16 | pier | Thanks a lot for the support and patience. Bye |
| 21:57.34 | brlcad | thank you! |
| 21:57.41 | brlcad | for the same |
| 21:57.49 | brlcad | hopefully we can get those bugs fixed |
| 21:58.15 | pier | no doubt! :) nite! |
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