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02:42.08 CIA-5 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/fb/fb-bw.c: flubber fubber
03:09.44 pra5ad i hate the way sen to chihiro ends
03:18.26 pra5ad daaamn back to back studio ghibli movies on TCM
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08:41.38 *** topic/#brlcad is http://brlcad.org/ || BRL-CAD is now Free Software! || 7.6.6 to be released by the 15th!
08:42.53 CIA-5 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/librt/db5_scan.c:
08:42.53 CIA-5 BRL-CAD: init the rt_uniresource structure if it hasn't been initialized yet so that we
08:42.53 CIA-5 BRL-CAD: can call db_dirbuild() directly without necessarily needing to worry about
08:42.53 CIA-5 BRL-CAD: initializing a resource structure. this mimicks the behavior and initialization
08:42.53 CIA-5 BRL-CAD: that rt_dirbuild() performas as well.
08:49.57 CIA-5 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/gtools/g_transfer.c: initial stubbed g_transfer example application for transferring portions of a geometry database over a network line serialized. incomplete, but provides the main organization.
08:50.38 CIA-5 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/gtools/Makefile.am: add the new g_transfer.c file to the build including the creation of the g_transfer example database application for transferring portions of a .g over the wire serialized.
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14:41.17 tippel hi there
14:42.09 fenn mornin
14:44.33 tippel I'm discovering BRL-CAD and I was wondering if I can carry CSG/boolean operations out and obtain a mesh of the result
14:44.40 tippel good morning fenn
14:45.07 brlcad tippel: morning
14:45.10 brlcad and yes you can
14:45.54 brlcad several of the geometry converters do that, there is also a "mesh" primitive in brl-cad that you can convert geometry to (called a BoT or "Bag of Triangles")
14:47.08 brlcad you just can't go from mesh back to the csg form since the associativity and operations are lost
14:47.44 clock_ brlcad: hi
14:48.13 brlcad tippel: check out the 'facetize' command in mged and several of the g-* commands outside mged (e.g. g-stl, g-vrml)
14:48.19 brlcad clock_: moin moin
14:48.26 clock_ brlcad: should I send my CV?
14:48.32 tippel ok thank you, my team is developping applications which need CSG operations but we would like to obtain BoT. Today we're using Open Cascade but this API is very heavy
14:49.20 brlcad if you want to programmatically create csg geometry, there are lots of coding examples
14:49.48 brlcad the src/proc-db directory and the src/mk directory both contain a couple dozen examples
14:50.41 brlcad plus our license is generally more friendly (and if it gets in the way of something you want to do, let me know)
14:54.23 tippel ok and is brlcad robust with coplanar polygons during a sub boolean operation ? (a rectangular hole, in a wall )
14:55.23 brlcad within the numerical tolerance of your hardware, sure
14:56.08 brlcad if there's floating point fuzz that make them seem distinct, there can be issues but the raytracer will visually show you whether that's an issue
14:56.26 brlcad plug you there are 5 different tolerances you can set turing tesselation
14:56.48 brlcad numerical computation tolerance, curvature tolerance, absolute tolerance, etc
14:59.48 ``Erik I saw a wall once
15:00.32 ``Erik sean, 8pm, dude... :D
15:00.38 brlcad oh yeah!
15:00.48 brlcad thx, i'd forgot
15:01.22 ``Erik should I try to remember to remind you again when I leave at like 6?
15:02.06 brlcad hehe
15:02.14 brlcad nah, now it'll be stuck in my head all day
15:02.22 ``Erik 'k
15:03.51 tippel ok thank you very much (I hate webchat :) )
15:04.42 brlcad feel free to get a real irc client and hang around ;)
15:04.54 ``Erik BitchX-1.1-final+ by panasync - FreeBSD 6.0-STABLE
15:04.56 ``Erik wokkawokka
15:05.15 brlcad irssi in screen
15:05.28 tippel yes but at work, my firewall is not very kind with me :(
15:05.47 ``Erik heh
15:05.57 ``Erik so ssh into your home box? :D
15:06.30 tippel ssh on port 80 ;)
15:07.07 tippel because port 22 is closed too :'(
15:07.21 tippel I wish I had time to do that
15:07.38 ``Erik silly firewall admins, thinking they can control behavior by blocking ports
15:08.43 tippel yep
15:08.57 tippel are you all brlcad developpers ?
15:09.26 brlcad some are, some aren't
15:09.33 tippel ok
15:09.35 brlcad i am
15:09.59 fenn i'm writing a program that may or may not use brlcad libs
15:10.04 tippel brlcad : I guessed ;)
15:10.24 tippel ok
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15:13.05 tippel hi flocou
15:13.24 flocou yep
15:13.36 brlcad howdy flocou
15:14.04 brlcad heh, a matching pair
15:14.18 flocou well, thx...buzness neighbor of tippel...
15:14.47 brlcad what sort of business if you can share?
15:15.29 brlcad making those little metal tips on the end of pencils?
15:15.58 flocou brlcad is rather new for us...we're looking for strong open source CSG package...aim is to compute 3D shape representation of IFC models (do U know this format ?)...and to replace OpenCascade CSG computations...
15:19.11 brlcad brl-cad's raytrace library is one of the oldest established csg packages around
15:20.00 brlcad don't know the "IFC" format explicitly but from what I know of the data model, it's a pretty trivial mapping
15:20.24 tippel IFC is a STEP-based product model
15:20.24 brlcad especially with ifc's idea of modeling "space" and brl-cad's concept of air regions
15:20.34 brlcad ahhh
15:20.57 tippel Industry Foundation Classes, used for AEC
15:21.20 brlcad you mean that bastard iso spec sitting in a box with over 10K pages sitting right over .. *kicks box* here?
15:23.13 ``Erik damn, I'm hungry
15:23.22 tippel But IFC doesn't use all spec of STEP
15:23.27 brlcad and that 10+k pages is only 5 subsets of 10303, ap11, ap203, ap214, ..
15:23.40 flocou AFAIK, it seems to be possible to export csg geometry results to vrml ? another issue is : is brlcad thread-safe ?
15:24.34 brlcad tippel: which is a good thing -- i don't think most cad companies could afford to support the entire 10303 -- it fills about 40 feet of shelf space printed
15:24.38 tippel flocou : brlcad told me that you can use and import/export bag of triangles
15:24.52 brlcad flocou: yes, there is a vrml exporter
15:25.20 tippel of course, IFC uses only 10303-11 (express language) and 10303-21 (files exchange)
15:25.36 tippel and is quite inspired from 10303-42 (geometric representation)
15:25.39 brlcad it used to be vrml 1.0 but was upgraded to vrml 2 without retaining a toggle for 1, wouldn't take much to revert or readd support
15:26.36 brlcad that just means ifc is sufficiently generic, 21 allows for arbitrary higher-level ap conformance whcih you have to support if you want to actually write a converter (e.g. ap203, ap214)
15:26.50 brlcad ap42 is just gravy
15:27.10 tippel Is brlcad thread safe ?
15:27.18 brlcad flocou: yes, brl-cad is extensively thread safe or the functions are marked if when they are not
15:27.38 brlcad the entire raytrace library is specifically geared for massive parallel computation
15:27.54 brlcad which is what drives most of the csg analysis
15:28.04 brlcad s/most/all/
15:28.48 brlcad brl-cad has it's own multiprocessing management as well that you can just enable
15:29.15 brlcad so that geometry is prepared in parallel, walk databases in parallel, etc
15:31.09 tippel is this multiprocessing management compatible with sgi sproc or pthread ?
15:31.59 brlcad by default on sgi, it prefers sproc
15:32.07 brlcad but could be compiled to use pthread
15:32.25 brlcad sproc preferrered for performance reasons usually (though yeah, incompatible)
15:36.32 CIA-5 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/TODO: new geometry examples aren't going to happen this iteration
15:38.13 clock_ brlcad: have you fixed some of the bugs I reported?
15:39.01 tippel ok thx
15:39.44 flocou ok, thx brlcad for all these precisions...
15:41.21 brlcad clock_: some yes, some no.. working on them
15:41.45 brlcad this month is a bit difficult since the windows merge is also going on
15:42.02 brlcad and archer was added
15:42.10 brlcad massive code merging
15:42.29 brlcad still not back to stable builds on head yet
15:45.43 *** topic/#brlcad by brlcad -> http://brlcad.org/ || BRL-CAD is now Free Software! || BRL-CAD Windows port has been merged to HEAD, not yet stable yet || December/January is a unified iteration to allow time for holidays || Archer is now on head, kick the tires, report any bugs
15:47.39 clock_ brlcad: windows merge? what is it?
15:47.59 clock_ brlcad: what does kick the tires mean?
15:56.08 brlcad clock_: we've been working on the brl-cad port to windows for some time now (several years actually)
15:56.08 CIA-5 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/HACKING:
15:56.08 CIA-5 BRL-CAD: additional release may be made on an as-needed basis for bug-fix releases and
15:56.08 CIA-5 BRL-CAD: security issues. December/January time frame is considered a single release
15:56.08 CIA-5 BRL-CAD: iteration in order to accommodate holidays and vacations, and to give the devs a
15:56.08 CIA-5 BRL-CAD: break.
15:57.01 brlcad the work accelerated this summer, with a cvs branch getting created that had all of the modifications necessary for windows
15:57.43 brlcad these modifications were recently merged in with the core of brl-cad (so that we can start consistently making windows binary releases in addition to our usual plethora of systems)
15:58.06 clock_ brlcad: wow!
15:58.13 brlcad kicking the tires is an expression, means try it out
15:58.24 brlcad archer is a new modeling interface
15:58.42 brlcad worked on by the same guys that worked on the windows port
16:00.47 tippel bye all
16:04.21 fenn brlcad: i converted the 19MB ApplicationDevelopment file to html, so that others wouldn't have to download a 19MB file and find out there was only about 20K of text
16:04.54 fenn http://fenn.dyndns.org/pub/ApplicationDevelopment.html
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16:05.43 brlcad hmm
16:05.48 brlcad ~ping fenn.dydns.org
16:05.50 ibot pong fenn.dydns.org
16:07.23 brlcad fenn: thanks, I'll post it
16:07.29 brlcad (and agree)
16:08.01 brlcad it was a presentation that was just provided for convenience since it's a fairly frequent request
16:08.35 brlcad fenn: mind you that presentation is fairly specific to writing analysis-style applications
16:08.49 fenn right
16:08.49 brlcad if you are writing out geometry, you don't really need to be concerned with most of that
16:09.30 fenn how do i test intersection of two solids?
16:10.14 fenn do a boolean intersection and see if anything is left?
16:11.33 brlcad ah, we call those overlaps
16:11.50 brlcad confused me there for a sec
16:12.10 fenn er sorry, i'm talking about collision detection
16:12.11 brlcad boolean intersections inherintly don't "overlap"
16:12.16 brlcad right
16:12.27 fenn havent slept yet :)
16:12.41 brlcad me either ;)
16:12.56 brlcad almost time for midday coffee
16:13.58 brlcad for testing intersection of two implicitly defined objects, you have to use ray introspection
16:14.18 fenn .
16:14.21 fenn oops
16:14.40 brlcad just mathematically due to the nature of implicits
16:14.54 brlcad now if you convert it to an explicit model, there are other techniques available
16:15.13 brlcad but brl-cad deals best with implicits currently
16:15.17 fenn what is the difference between explicit and implicit geometry?
16:16.04 brlcad implicit geometry has no defined boundary, it's a mathematical model
16:16.20 brlcad numerically defined by mathematical geometric shapes
16:16.38 fenn like a sphere
16:16.38 brlcad e.g. an ellipsoid defined by a point and major and minor radius
16:16.51 brlcad take that same object and represent it differently
16:17.02 fenn is a bot explicit?
16:17.03 brlcad say, as a bunch of triangles on the surface
16:17.06 fenn ok
16:17.08 brlcad and you have explicit
16:17.21 brlcad or a set of surface splines, also explicit
16:18.41 brlcad very different problems determining whether i'm "inside" a sphere comprised of a bunch of triangles, or one that's implicit
16:19.13 brlcad for the implicit form, it might be a simple distance test for a sphere, if distance to center is < radius then I'm inside
16:19.35 fenn can i apply a n*m transformation matrix and still end up with implicit geometry?
16:19.36 brlcad for explicit, if all I have are the triangles, I'm performing planar side checks
16:19.43 brlcad sure
16:19.48 fenn (for that matter can i apply a n*m matrix at all?)
16:19.58 brlcad you can apply all the same rigid, non-rigid transformations
16:20.49 brlcad brl-cad has a couple primitives that are not well behaved for certain non-rigid transformations (because mathematically they are not well defined for them) like trying to skew o torus for example
16:31.18 fenn thanks.. seeya
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18:08.43 phcoder :-(
18:23.25 brlcad they sucked, but my quads are jelly now
18:34.28 pier 20 reps and get plenty of GH :)
18:41.46 ``Erik ya'll're sick perverts
18:44.55 brlcad GH?
18:45.26 brlcad gerbil hamsters?
18:45.35 ``Erik gay homosexuals? o.O
18:45.39 ``Erik *duck*
18:46.07 ``Erik grr, six hours and 15 minute
18:46.08 ``Erik s
18:48.06 phcoder did pra5ad do squats?
18:49.49 brlcad he did!
18:49.58 brlcad and didn't collapse
18:50.10 phcoder good for him
18:50.18 phcoder bar? ;-)
18:50.24 phcoder j/k
18:51.17 brlcad heh
18:51.17 brlcad actually
18:51.19 brlcad .. he started with that
18:53.16 phcoder and then...
18:56.20 brlcad 25s
18:56.31 brlcad tried 35s but he couldn't but a couple
18:56.48 brlcad or you mean what other exercise
18:57.40 brlcad after was situps with the medicine ball and pec deck
18:57.55 phcoder no - that's what I meant. i bet the stability was difficult - i remember it was starting out for me...
18:58.03 phcoder good workout today
18:58.05 phcoder :-(
18:58.13 phcoder missed it durnit
19:00.12 brlcad he did surprisingly good form actually
19:01.52 phcoder what'd you do?
19:21.37 pier Growth Hormone
19:24.02 pier acording to Stuart McRobert GH production can naturally increased with 20 reps squat
19:25.16 brlcad ahh
19:25.27 brlcad phcoder: i aint telling
19:26.22 brlcad pier: that sounds a bit dubious for large muscle growth
19:26.37 pier why?
19:26.43 brlcad usually the bigger the muscles, the lower the reps you want for growth
19:27.37 pier as long as you work out large muscles GH and test is increased easing the growth of all muscles
19:28.17 Maloeran The cardiovascular system is usually what you want to train to be in good shapes, not particular groups of muscles
19:28.46 pier try doind 20 reps full speed ahead and you tell me then...
19:29.11 Maloeran Hum sorry but what are "reps", push-ups, pull-ups?
19:29.17 pier I reduced my heart pace from 85 to 55 (idle)
19:30.01 phcoder reps = repetitions
19:30.14 phcoder of some exercise
19:30.21 Maloeran That's rather vague :)
19:30.45 phcoder well - we were talking about squats...
19:30.49 brlcad yet makes complete since if you'd ever lifted ;)
19:30.59 brlcad sense too
19:31.07 phcoder hmm - then maybe 20 reps of ... cleans ... ? :-)
19:31.07 pier maybe but that a fact :)
19:31.15 brlcad bastage! :)
19:31.38 brlcad that would be interesting to try, but it'd have to be such a lower weight
19:31.51 phcoder you know - just 135 should be fine
19:31.55 brlcad my joints couldn't take that many
19:31.55 pier I own up I wouldn't be able to make a clean even with a broom stick
19:32.36 brlcad phcoder: did full stack on peck deck :)
19:33.03 brlcad pier: yet sounds like you workout some?
19:33.10 pier a bit
19:33.31 pier been dooing that for the past five years
19:33.32 phcoder full stack huh... hrmph
19:35.45 brlcad think it was 140 or 130
19:35.59 brlcad several yeps then peaked
19:39.45 Maloeran I still think the time would be much better spent running, for example... :) though I never lifted
19:41.08 brlcad good stuff
19:41.19 brlcad i bike or row for my cardio
19:44.20 Maloeran *nods* Quite good. Besides when Montreal is covered in snow, I'm used to do 30km daily too ( 18 miles? )
19:46.58 brlcad ~convert 30 km to m
19:47.06 brlcad heh
19:47.09 brlcad ~convert 30 km to miles
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19:51.00 ``Erik what the frack...
19:51.13 brlcad no no
19:51.16 brlcad what the frell
19:51.51 ``Erik ... ok, how about... what the flying fuck did that fucking fucktard do to the fucking source
19:51.54 ``Erik better? :)
19:52.09 brlcad hm, i suppose it's time for bsg lingo, always liked farscapes though :)
19:52.47 brlcad at least this isn't
19:52.52 brlcad .. ever, never mind
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21:17.10 pier Could there be a reason why fb-png gets stuck?
21:19.09 brlcad gets stuck?
21:19.27 brlcad never seen it get stuck, slow maybe, but not stuck
21:19.52 pier Hi brlcad, yes it always worked but now ..
21:20.20 brlcad only reason it might get stuck is if the framebuffer isn't responding
21:20.24 pier maybe I added some perticoular object that is not allowed
21:20.39 brlcad fb-png knows nothing about objects
21:20.44 pier ok
21:20.53 brlcad it's just pixel manipulation
21:21.07 brlcad network communication, file writing
21:21.19 pier exec fb-png -w 1024 -n 768 -F:0 frs.png
21:21.39 pier is the syntax correct?
21:21.41 brlcad ahh, heh
21:21.55 brlcad so calling from inside mged presumably?
21:22.07 brlcad is mged frozen?
21:22.19 pier from both inside and outside
21:22.20 brlcad should usually just call from outside mged
21:22.24 pier yes ... blocked
21:22.31 brlcad is the framebuffer on?
21:22.34 brlcad and listening?
21:22.34 pier yes
21:22.38 pier yes
21:22.53 pier listen for client is checked
21:23.22 brlcad hmm
21:23.44 brlcad and mged isn't hung?
21:23.48 brlcad i.e. menus work, etc
21:23.49 pier I am beig trying again from a terminal
21:24.09 pier yes .. mged working
21:24.26 pier frame buffer 0 is on
21:24.59 pier top doesn't reveal any buzz from fb-png
21:25.03 brlcad what's the window size?
21:25.14 pier ehmm
21:25.30 brlcad oh!
21:25.34 pier how do I know?
21:25.38 brlcad framebuffer arg isn't right
21:25.38 pier sorry
21:25.39 brlcad -F0
21:26.14 brlcad still might not work, but :0 means localhost port 0
21:26.29 brlcad instead of just first port
21:27.12 pier no activity... neither with :F0
21:27.21 pier -F0
21:27.33 brlcad try fb-png -F0 file.png
21:27.40 pier png file created but empty
21:28.03 pier already done... I'll try again
21:28.24 brlcad it shouldn't take long
21:28.27 brlcad see if the file created
21:28.54 pier file's there zero bytes
21:29.10 pier spooky... it always worked
21:29.33 pier still frozen
21:29.37 brlcad hmm..
21:29.56 brlcad can you raytrace inside mged?
21:30.08 pier I have a fancy I messed something
21:30.13 pier perfectly
21:30.33 pier raytrace inside mged works fine
21:30.59 brlcad what about raytracing directly to file
21:31.10 pier gonna kill fb-png and rm png file created
21:31.26 brlcad actually ..
21:31.29 brlcad yeah do that then..
21:31.41 brlcad run this: fbserv 1 /dev/Xl &
21:31.48 pier ok
21:32.24 pier mged> exec fbserv 1 /dev/Xl &
21:32.24 pier 13417
21:32.24 pier pkg_permserver: bind: errno=98
21:32.24 pier mged>
21:32.33 pier from terminal?
21:32.39 brlcad ahh
21:32.46 brlcad mged's isn't on 0
21:32.54 pier lord
21:33.03 pier and where?
21:33.06 brlcad try fb-png -F1 file.png
21:33.40 pier strike
21:34.24 pier brlcad what's happening?
21:34.31 pier it worked now
21:34.33 brlcad strike as it didn't work?
21:34.45 pier no no... it worked :)
21:34.47 brlcad ahh
21:34.48 brlcad good
21:35.14 brlcad for whatever reason, when you started mged, it couldn't use port 0
21:35.25 brlcad so it tries the next available
21:35.31 pier so it is using port 1
21:35.31 brlcad which was apparently 1
21:35.43 brlcad maybe you started that mged while another was running
21:35.50 pier was making me crazy
21:36.05 pier not really
21:36.06 brlcad or you had an fbserv, or raytrace in progress to a lingering one.. various things
21:36.16 brlcad for whatever reason, 0 was taken
21:36.38 brlcad ps auxwww|grep mged maybe to make sure there's not a stale mged
21:36.38 pier how can I find out what process is working on 0
21:36.48 pier ok
21:37.12 pier pier@darkstar:~/brlcad/bin$ ps aux | grep mged
21:37.12 pier pier 13358 0.2 2.4 19460 12628 ? S 22:13 0:02 mged
21:37.13 pier pier@darkstar:~/brlcad/bin$
21:37.35 pier it looks like only one is running
21:38.30 brlcad telnet localhost 5559
21:39.26 brlcad do you get:
21:39.36 brlcad Trying 127.0.0.1...
21:39.36 brlcad Connected to localhost (127.0.0.1).
21:39.37 brlcad Escape character is '^]'.
21:39.41 brlcad or something different
21:39.49 pier exactly the same
21:40.00 brlcad then there is a framebuffer listening :)
21:40.10 brlcad somewhere
21:40.50 pier is it a zombie process?
21:40.59 brlcad you can disconnect from that with a ctrl-]
21:41.11 brlcad then 'quit'
21:41.28 pier done
21:42.26 brlcad lsof | grep 55
21:42.49 brlcad lsof | grep 5559
21:45.14 pier fb-png 13207 pier txt REG 3,1 27867 205505 /home/pier/brlcad/rel-7.6.4/i686-pc-linux-gnu/bin/fb-png
21:45.14 pier fb-png 13207 pier mem REG 3,1 6556762 200390 /usr/brlcad/rel-7.6.4/i686-pc-linux-gnu/lib/libtcl8.4.so.19.0.1
21:45.14 pier fb-png 13207 pier mem REG 3,1 33552 153295 /usr/X11R6/lib/libXi.so.6.0
21:45.14 pier fb-png 13207 pier 8u IPv4 718867 TCP *:5559 (LISTEN)
21:45.14 pier fb-png 13207 pier 9u IPv4 759842 TCP localhost:37324->localhost:5559 (ESTABLISHED)
21:45.32 pier mged is not running now
21:45.39 brlcad ahh
21:46.00 pier what is all that rubbish?
21:46.08 brlcad you ran an fb-png -F:0 before running mged or at least before raytracing in mged
21:46.23 brlcad so the fb-png starts up as a server
21:46.35 brlcad expecting streaming input
21:47.03 brlcad (that's so you can string together fb-png with pipes)
21:47.12 pier I don't remember ...
21:47.54 brlcad :)
21:48.11 brlcad probably the very first thing you did before raytracing
21:48.28 brlcad you can kill it (or find it and kill it
21:48.44 pier ok
21:49.48 pier fb-png is no longer running
21:50.48 pier lsof | grep 55 doesn't return fb-png messages
21:52.17 pier I'll try to give the command again
21:56.08 pier incredible... again not working :,(
21:58.35 brlcad lsof |grep LISTEN
21:58.47 pier fb-png -F2 frs6.png worked now
21:59.05 pier NULL
22:00.14 pier lsof |grep LISTEN -> nothing
22:00.29 brlcad eh, is mged running?
22:00.35 pier yes
22:01.19 brlcad hmm, then it should be listening
22:01.23 brlcad framebuffer active?
22:01.35 brlcad lsof | grep mged
22:01.50 pier nuthin
22:08.03 pier yes framebuffer active
22:15.02 brlcad i'm not sure really, if lsof doesn't show it, it's not open -- that's a system tool
22:15.25 brlcad "open file" listing
22:15.57 pier ok I spotted it now
22:16.22 pier gave just lsfo
22:19.30 pier killed
22:22.28 pier thank you very much! I have learnt something else.
22:23.44 pier now can go to bed and rest... 2morrow legs at the gym for me too
22:28.10 brlcad sounds great
22:28.24 brlcad i should go row now that you mention..
22:28.31 brlcad cheers!
22:29.28 pier night and thanks (rowing... fantastic)
22:31.32 *** part/#brlcad pier (n=pier@151.56.220.10)
22:31.35 phcoder brlcad: dinner?
22:32.59 brlcad tonight?!
22:33.03 brlcad it's it's ..
22:33.09 phcoder friday
22:33.15 phcoder yes. it is.
22:33.22 brlcad start of the new season for sg1, atlantis, bsg :)
22:33.41 phcoder we have that channel, for now.
22:33.47 phcoder all on tonight?
22:33.51 phcoder one after the other?
22:33.58 brlcad yup
22:34.05 phcoder interesting. come over.
22:34.14 brlcad heh
22:34.24 brlcad so.. tiny :)
22:35.25 phcoder i just said that to nettie: he probably will complain about the small screen ;-)
22:35.56 brlcad hehe
22:35.58 phcoder too bad i can't pipe TV to my 30 in
22:36.06 brlcad seriously, that'd be sweet
22:36.18 phcoder oh yes. i bet I can get a card for it... hmmmmmmm
22:36.36 brlcad they used to make 1 card and 1 usb device with crappy quality
22:36.43 phcoder for os x?
22:36.52 phcoder maybe hauppage has one
22:36.54 brlcad haven't looked in months though .. i've wanted that for a long time
22:37.05 phcoder so - comin over?
22:37.17 brlcad easy to find the cards, hard to find os x supported one
22:37.26 phcoder yeah
22:38.39 brlcad nah, not tonight .. going to gym again for a lil bit then showtime in my dungeon
22:40.40 *** join/#brlcad coderwife (n=nettie@pcp0011650294pcs.aberdn01.md.comcast.net)
22:42.25 phcoder fine
22:42.41 phcoder we'll see what coderwife has to say about that
23:01.24 *** part/#brlcad coderwife (n=nettie@pcp0011650294pcs.aberdn01.md.comcast.net)
23:03.55 ``Erik heh
23:04.01 ``Erik starts at 8, scifi...
23:05.13 phcoder buh bye

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