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00:41.48 CIA-13 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/librt/db_inmem.c: unused var
01:08.31 pra5ad get a new ride yet?
01:16.19 brlcad you got it?
01:17.09 ``Erik ayup
01:17.26 ``Erik it's purdee, and owie fast
01:19.10 pra5ad nice =)
01:19.11 ``Erik and, damnit, my intent was to show up tomorrow and say I bought a car real quick and try to trick people into thinking it was a beater
01:19.48 ``Erik http://www.cardomain.com/member_pages/show_image.pl?bg=CCCCCC&image=http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/3/web/2043000-2043999/2043648_1_full.jpg
01:20.16 ``Erik http://www.diecastmuscle.com/images/common/thumbnail/375/aa70544c.jpg
01:20.20 ``Erik http://www.diecastmuscle.com/images/common/thumbnail/375/aa70544.jpg
01:20.56 ``Erik laguna seca blue, with grey leather interior, luxery package, winter package, moonroof, etc etc etc
01:21.02 ``Erik now I'm poor.
01:21.08 ``Erik but I have a bitchin' ride.
01:23.57 pra5ad cant wait to join the club
01:24.10 brlcad nice
01:24.38 ``Erik the color grated on me at first, but I'm liking it more and more
01:24.43 ``Erik I guess I'm driving to lunch tomorrow ;)
01:50.54 phcoder damn - i won't see it 'til tuesday...
01:50.57 phcoder nice
01:53.13 ``Erik and I'm gonna park it as close to the front door as possible. Bitch. :D
01:53.19 phcoder haha!
01:53.29 phcoder have fun. you get in too damn late.
01:53.35 phcoder you'll never get a spot.
01:53.39 ``Erik indeed
01:53.46 ``Erik last week, I had to park in the grass :(
01:53.48 ``Erik right next to rons car
01:53.52 phcoder i saw that, jeez
01:54.00 ``Erik auten did, too
01:54.10 ``Erik maybe with this car, I'll wake up at 6am and go OMFGIWANTTODRIVE
01:54.10 phcoder extra people in the compound or something?
01:54.11 ``Erik :D
01:54.14 ``Erik no clue
01:54.17 phcoder :-)
01:54.22 phcoder i would
01:54.24 ``Erik I did two loops, john did one... we both went into the grass
01:54.26 phcoder i love driving
01:54.58 ``Erik I got sick of it... but it may've been because my truck was underpowered, had vibration issues (bad ujoint or something) and no radio...
01:55.05 ``Erik I d'no
01:55.07 ``Erik I'm giddy
01:55.11 ``Erik I spent the last hour sitting in it
01:55.12 phcoder yeah - you get xm?
01:55.16 phcoder :-D
01:55.20 ``Erik no
01:55.24 ``Erik '01
01:55.28 phcoder 6 disc cd
01:55.31 ``Erik check it out, dude, cassette tape in the dash
01:55.31 phcoder ?
01:55.37 phcoder it's an 01?
01:55.38 ``Erik and 6 cd in the trunk
01:55.39 ``Erik yeah
01:55.40 phcoder not new?
01:55.43 ``Erik no :(
01:55.45 ``Erik I'm po'
01:55.47 phcoder still looks sweet
01:55.49 ``Erik and I needed something NOW
01:55.53 ``Erik 29k miles
01:55.58 ``Erik so not too far from new
01:55.59 phcoder dude - it's a f'n sweet car
01:56.04 phcoder who cares if its not new
01:56.15 phcoder no kidding
01:56.20 ``Erik cold weather package, luxury package, moon roof, ...
01:56.21 phcoder that's pretty low for an 01
01:56.24 ``Erik was probably a 70k car new
01:56.31 phcoder i'm over that for an 03
01:56.38 phcoder yeah
01:57.16 phcoder how can you be po' ?? you don't have a kid ;-)
01:57.27 ``Erik heh
01:57.34 phcoder oh wait - all those microbrews ;-)
01:57.36 ``Erik I dont' have a whif bringing in like 20 bucks a week, either
01:57.37 ``Erik :D
01:57.53 phcoder $20????????
01:57.56 ``Erik microbrews and copious consumption of high grade spirits. My booze budget took a hit today.
01:57.58 phcoder that would be nice :-)
01:58.12 ``Erik no more $200/mo :(
01:58.24 ``Erik and I'll probably start bringing food in for lunch
01:58.25 ``Erik heh
01:58.27 phcoder nope
01:58.29 ``Erik so po'
01:58.36 phcoder which is good - cause you can't drink and drive
01:58.50 ``Erik hopefully the machine is as intoxicating as the intoxicants
01:58.59 ``Erik it's so damn prett
01:59.00 ``Erik y
01:59.01 phcoder should be
01:59.14 ``Erik 6 gears, and every single one of them will get me in trouble
01:59.20 phcoder can't wait to see it - we can all live vicariously through you
01:59.23 ``Erik heh
01:59.33 phcoder just don't kill it like your truck
01:59.37 ``Erik or you can whup that whifs bottom until she brings home the bacon ;)
01:59.43 phcoder yeah right
01:59.45 ``Erik oddly enough, I've felt no urge to floor it
01:59.53 phcoder odd. yes.
01:59.54 ``Erik and my truck got over 10 years
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02:00.16 ``Erik I think having rice stomping power at my disposal makes me... complacent
02:00.21 ``Erik I don't need to prove anything with it
02:00.30 phcoder heh
02:00.36 ``Erik odd
02:00.42 ``Erik but it's sooo damn pretty
02:00.53 phcoder just wait till you pull up next to an a8 - they always want to race
02:00.55 phcoder don't know why
02:00.59 ``Erik heh
02:01.14 ``Erik cuz some dumbass paid $80k for a v8 audi... they have to prove it's not a puss car
02:01.16 ``Erik O:-)
02:01.23 phcoder right
02:02.10 ``Erik I have a feeling that I'm gonna be coming off of lights nice and easy, and morons will be bragging about roasting an m3 with their hopped up civic on fag boards
02:02.21 ``Erik but, y'know, that's ok :)
02:02.30 phcoder that's fun. cause you know it ain'
02:02.33 phcoder t true
02:02.35 ``Erik I have metal sex in my garage right now
02:02.43 phcoder haha
02:03.09 ``Erik still wanna fix my truck and drive it when ti's snowey/slushy/icy, tho
02:03.27 phcoder might be a good idea, unless the fix costs too much
02:03.36 ``Erik rather artard ran into the truck than the car when they figure out that 4wd on an suv doesn't mean it stops any better
02:04.41 ``Erik <-- ponders switching the suspension to sport and turning off traction control on the drive to work tomorrow o.O
02:04.46 ``Erik just to see what too fucking much is
02:04.47 ``Erik :D
02:05.04 phcoder "switching" ?
02:05.08 ``Erik yeah
02:05.17 phcoder damn thing can dynamically adjust suspension parameters?
02:05.20 ``Erik the suspension has normal sports mode, th en another "super sports" mode
02:05.26 ``Erik hit a button on the dash and it changes
02:05.30 phcoder ha
02:05.41 CIA-13 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/liboptical/Makefile.am: heh, fPIC breaks irix compiler (they use DPIC)
02:05.48 ``Erik several 'sporty' cars can do it, even 'vettes...
02:06.13 ``Erik this car will make me it's bitch, I know it o.O
02:06.28 phcoder watch out...
02:06.29 ``Erik if I hadn't been drinking when I told my parents, I'd be driving right now
02:06.48 ``Erik it's got almost as much hp as my old c10, and it's way smaller/lighter
02:07.10 ``Erik and so many buttons
02:07.13 ``Erik and pretty lights
02:07.15 ``Erik and knobs
02:15.04 ``Erik http://members.iinet.net.au/~pontipak/redsquare.html
02:17.16 pra5ad whats the latest gl version for fbsd?
02:17.22 pra5ad 1.5?
02:17.24 ``Erik um, whatever comes with X
02:17.31 ``Erik probably 1.5, unless you use the nvidia driver
02:17.41 pra5ad hrm
02:17.44 ``Erik which is like 1.4+
02:17.46 ``Erik iirc
02:17.58 pra5ad arb promoted ext_vbo in 1.5
02:18.15 pra5ad wondering if i should build against that
02:18.39 ``Erik you should look to see if it's available, at runtime, and provide a backup path if it is not
02:18.40 ``Erik :)
02:19.11 pra5ad vboARB(), yes.. but not the promoted ones (sans ARB postfix)
02:19.19 pra5ad meh
02:20.03 pra5ad ill stick to 1.4 spec
02:20.26 ``Erik you're supporting windows... if you're not gonna do fallback paths, you should stick to 1.1... o.O :D
02:21.38 pra5ad good point
02:23.14 ``Erik a sad point, but *shrug* competition to d3d will not be tolerated O.o
02:26.48 pra5ad that's going to be a major headache
02:27.01 pra5ad at least im not using anything besides vbo
02:27.02 ``Erik windows is a major headache, yes :)
02:27.09 ``Erik well
02:27.12 pra5ad (for now)
02:27.18 ``Erik that's why you query and provide secondary paths
02:27.26 ``Erik the drivers themselves support all this shit
02:27.30 ``Erik it's just... hard to get to
02:27.30 pra5ad that was the plan, until i saw the 1.5 spec
02:28.03 ``Erik sdl even has cross platform query/lookup functions
02:28.23 ``Erik not as slick as dlopen()/dlsym(), but windows won't let that happen :)
02:29.21 pra5ad phew varrays are 1.1
02:32.54 pra5ad nooo rangeelements is 1.2 =(
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03:11.02 justin_ so what car are you getting?
03:12.35 pra5ad * ``Erik pets his m3
03:15.29 ``Erik got me a bmw m3
03:15.37 ``Erik <-- does some pelvic thrusts
03:25.26 justin_ what's that do to the new house purchase?
03:27.25 justin_ how long of a lease
03:30.34 ``Erik financing, not leasing, 5 yr, and it puts the house off a bit :(
03:30.54 ``Erik in the long term, I fucked up... but it's so damn pretty...
03:31.33 justin_ heh
03:33.42 ``Erik I spoze once in a while, you just have to be stupid and enjoy life ;)
03:34.06 phcoder else - why do you make money? :-P
03:35.34 justin_ to fund a small research company when you get into your 40's :D
03:35.45 phcoder that too...
03:36.01 ``Erik ok, dude, you fund one, and bring me in as a parter ;) *duck*
03:36.28 justin_ riiiight
04:45.13 brlcad ow
04:45.46 brlcad sweet car ``Erik
04:45.53 phcoder they were already dead...
04:46.09 brlcad they weren't even close to dead
04:46.15 brlcad wasn't even sore
04:46.17 phcoder "no sir, they're already dead"
04:46.24 brlcad now they're dead
04:46.27 brlcad and hurting
04:46.36 phcoder haha
04:47.28 phcoder :-)
04:47.29 brlcad did a lot more bench too, that should be sore too now
04:47.48 phcoder says "take a hike"
04:47.55 brlcad but..
04:47.59 phcoder but?
04:48.02 brlcad no straps
04:48.07 brlcad someone must have walked off with them
04:48.09 phcoder someone stole them
04:48.18 phcoder unethical weak bastards
04:48.23 brlcad rather "claimed" them
04:48.26 phcoder sure
04:48.42 phcoder "claim" is the operative word
04:48.44 phcoder jeez
04:50.03 brlcad some skinny guy passed out
04:50.17 brlcad he was delerious for like 10 minutes
04:50.26 brlcad then the paramedics came
04:50.30 phcoder that's embarassing
04:50.32 brlcad pretty eventful
04:50.54 brlcad i can't quite figure out how, though, unless he was diabetic or something
04:50.58 phcoder supposed to go to the men's room before passing out
04:51.00 brlcad he was on the machines
04:51.06 phcoder so the chicks can't see you do it
04:51.09 brlcad near a pec deck of all things
04:51.14 phcoder ?
04:51.35 brlcad hard to "get dizzy" on the machines
04:52.05 phcoder right
04:52.06 brlcad not impossible, just.. harder (to me at least)
04:52.31 brlcad now squats.. or deadlifts .. or legpress.. or cleans..
04:52.39 brlcad completely understandable :)
04:53.33 phcoder yup
08:47.40 CIA-13 BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * 10brlcad/ (5 files in 5 dirs): set HAVE_CONFIG_H to get internal declarations
08:51.07 CIA-13 BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * 10brlcad/src/librt/librt.dsp:
08:51.07 CIA-13 BRL-CAD: set HAVE_CONFIG_H to get internal declarations,
08:51.07 CIA-13 BRL-CAD: db_flags.c, db_inmem.c added
08:54.10 CIA-13 BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * 10brlcad/misc/win32-msvc/Dll/brlcad.rc: update copyright to 2006
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11:25.16 pra5ad mm no sleep
11:25.34 pra5ad this is gonna be fun..
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14:31.58 Twingy .
15:48.54 Twingy b
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15:56.48 Maloeran m��
15:57.25 Twingy missed a good segment with john stewart making fun of the querbecois prime minister elections :)
15:58.06 Maloeran Eh :), federal elections are a real joke as always
16:00.36 Maloeran You wouldn't be good at finding the roots of 11th-13th degree polynomials, Justin? :) It must be my lack of formal math education, I'm not doing too well on this
16:01.29 Twingy solve them numerically with newtons method
16:01.43 Maloeran Just playing with curved surface equations to see if it's possible to get something to be solved directly, without Newton's or Laguerre's iterations, for ray intersections that is
16:02.05 Twingy it can be shown you cannot solve them implicitly if the degree is higher than 3
16:02.37 Maloeran There are often other methods, but no generic solution, it depends of the problem
16:02.41 Twingy if the roots are constants you could cache them
16:04.55 Maloeran I have something that's relatively cheap to compute, and the first guesses would be good enough ( 2-3 Newton's iterations should do ), but I'm still dreaming of a solution solvable algebrically
16:05.03 Twingy nope
16:05.06 Twingy won't happen
16:05.12 Twingy you learn this in calculus 1
16:05.57 Twingy can you make the problem piecewise cubic?
16:06.14 Twingy then you can solve it algebraicly if you maintain C2 continuity
16:06.31 Maloeran Fourth degree polynomials can be easily solved too, I'm exploring solutions still
16:07.03 Twingy I suspect your cheapest route will be picewise cubic
16:08.42 Maloeran Possibly... The equations can be fairly simple for primitive curved surfaces, it would be so elegant if it could be solved directly
16:09.24 Twingy not gonna happen if you go above quartic
16:10.32 CIA-13 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/doc/README.MacOSX: build failure on os x 10.2 is a known issue
16:12.05 Maloeran I thought some problems above 4th degree can be solved agebrically, under particular circumstances
16:12.58 Twingy circumstances such as?
16:13.37 Twingy mmm almost lunch time
16:14.31 Maloeran Such as y = x^4-2 ? ;) Some Norwegian math PhD I briefly spoke to said the equations might be solvable, he would have required much time to verify this though
16:15.02 Maloeran Ast's friend, if you followed #siggraph discussions
16:15.29 clock_ Twingy: what does twingy mean?
16:15.47 Twingy it means twingy
16:16.44 Twingy you can solve that
16:17.56 Maloeran I meant f(x)=x^5-2 or so, above 4th degree doesn't mean it can't be solved, but there's no generic solution
16:22.44 CIA-13 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/ (BUGS TODO): add bugs and feature requests observed during the 2005 winter brl-cad user training at survice.
16:23.11 Twingy lunch
16:26.13 joevalleyfield with one root solved by newton's method to some degree of accuracy, couldn't you use synthetic divisions to factor out that root and reduce the degree of everything else by 1
16:27.30 Maloeran I suppose, but considering it's for ray-tracing, the first intersection is likely to be all I need
16:28.20 joevalleyfield so doubtful there is any better way to solve your first root than numeric approximation
16:28.21 Maloeran Well Justin, I would be interested in discussing some ideas regarding the use of "meshes" of simple curved facets, sometimes during the week-end or so. Not as flexible as Nurbs, not as fast as triangles, but I think it's a fairly interesting compromise
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18:18.05 brlcad Maloeran: if you're interested in trying the newtonian method quick-like, brl-cad's libbn has a simple root solver that does this
18:18.56 brlcad does a variation of a newtonian search, simplification of polynomials, quick solutions for lower orders, and other methods, returning an array of the roots
18:21.03 Twingy n�wt�n
18:21.17 Twingy f�g
18:21.29 joevalleyfield may i buy a vowel?
18:21.31 Twingy �.�
18:22.05 brlcad much better
18:22.16 brlcad silly ?nic?de
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18:50.10 Twingy b�rk b�rk b�rk
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18:50.15 Twingy b�rk b�rk b�rk
18:50.27 brlcad b?rk!
18:51.20 Twingy \/ping flood pra5ad_work
18:51.25 Twingy :)
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19:24.38 ``Erik just log in and sigterm him
19:24.51 ``Erik or walk upstairs and sigterm him upside the head :D
19:32.00 pra5ad_work i heard the m3 ping flooding, leaving grumpys
19:40.21 ``Erik /. has some links for real mac ppc vs intel comparisons o.O
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19:59.05 pra5ad_work brlcad
19:59.55 pra5ad_work i can only find g2asc
20:00.03 brlcad explain
20:00.11 pra5ad_work what was the g2bot convertor name
20:00.22 pra5ad_work u mentioned earlier
20:00.55 brlcad $ /usr/brlcad/bin/g-
20:00.55 brlcad g-acad g-dxf g-euclid1 g-jack g-nmg g-off g-stl g-vrml
20:00.58 brlcad g-adrt g-euclid g-iges g-nff g-obj g-shell.rect g-tankill g-x3d
20:01.17 pra5ad_work ah
20:01.30 brlcad g-nmg
20:01.34 brlcad then nmg-bot iirc
20:02.35 brlcad $ foo="`ls |grep -i bot | grep -v '\.'`" && echo $foo
20:02.35 brlcad bot-bldxf bot-raw bot_shell-vtk nmg-bot poly-bot
20:02.41 pra5ad_work r g-nmg -b ?
20:02.44 pra5ad_work or*
20:02.52 brlcad yep
20:07.18 CIA-13 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/mged/clone.c: reuse VUNITIZE_TOL from vmath instead of something new
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20:12.18 pra5ad_work oook.. g-nmg core dumped on t62.g
20:12.27 Twingy user error
20:14.11 brlcad pra5ad_work: backtrace?
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20:17.11 pra5ad_work http://pastebin.com/515083
20:17.57 pra5ad_work brlcad
20:17.58 pra5ad_work brlcad
20:17.58 pra5ad_work brlcad
20:18.30 brlcad punk
20:18.58 ``Erik want me to walk around the corner and smack him for you?
20:19.30 Twingy if you wouldn't mind :)
20:20.33 ``Erik mark's in there
20:20.52 pra5ad_work yes he is
20:21.21 ``Erik can't be bitchslappin' with a witness
20:21.45 pra5ad_work key + m3 = protection
20:21.49 pra5ad_work ^_^
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21:17.19 CIA-13 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/mged/clone.c: check clone args a little more consistently
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22:07.03 pra5ad 36 hrs.. no sleep
22:07.07 pra5ad la tortura
22:09.14 Maloeran That can't be very productive
22:09.30 Twingy I want vodka
22:12.10 Twingy in 5 hours maybe
22:12.24 Twingy I have 2 pieces of drywall to put up, spackling and some painting
22:37.09 ``Erik hah
22:38.01 Twingy oh, maybe 7 hours, I have to watch stargate too
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