irclog2html for #brlcad on 20060124

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01:55.27 *** topic/#brlcad is http://brlcad.org/ || BRL-CAD is now Free Software! || BRL-CAD Windows port has been merged to HEAD, not yet stable yet || Archer is now on HEAD as well, kick the tires, report any bugs || there WILL be a 7.6.8 released ASAP for January after all
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03:54.19 justin_ mmm drywall
03:56.29 *** join/#brlcad DTRemenak (n=DTRemena@DHCP-170-143.caltech.edu)
04:09.12 CIA-13 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/include/raytrace.h: missing the declaration for db5_export_attributes()
04:11.42 CIA-13 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/librt/db_inmem.c: don't need the db5_export_attributes extern decl as it's now in raytrace.h like it should have been
04:25.05 CIA-13 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/gtools/g_transfer.c: use the FOR_ALL_DIRECTORY_START/FOR_ALL_DIRECTORY_END macros for iterating over the array of linked list of directory nodes.
04:31.17 CIA-13 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/gtools/g_diff.c: convert iteration over the array of linked lists to FOR_ALL_DIRECTORY_START/FOR_ALL_DIRECTORY_END instead
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04:45.36 CIA-13 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/include/raytrace.h: the external isn't const, but the avs is (db5_export_attributes)
05:00.58 CIA-13 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/ (8 files in 4 dirs): convert iteration over the array of linked list of directory nodes to FOR_ALL_DIRECTORY_START/FOR_ALL_DIRECTORY_END instead
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15:44.53 CIA-13 BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * 10brlcad/src/librt/db_io.c: Remove USE_SURVICE_MODS ifdef/endif that was guarding a fflush in db_write().
15:46.06 clock_ brlcad: hi
17:19.44 CIA-13 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/tclscripts/ampi.tcl: add the verbose flag so that warnings/errors are apparent
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17:22.33 clock_ DTRemenak: hi
17:22.40 clock_ DTRemenak: in which city is caltech?
17:25.25 brlcad clock_: howdy
17:25.44 clock_ brlcad: hi
17:26.12 brlcad how goes things far far away?
17:27.08 clock_ forward
17:27.09 clock_ :D
17:27.50 clock_ where is caltech actually?
17:28.49 brlcad california
17:29.01 clock_ what a surprise! :)
17:29.14 clock_ But which city?
17:29.24 brlcad heh
17:29.39 brlcad pasadena
17:31.46 brlcad los angeles
17:31.55 brlcad san diego, san jose, san fran.
17:32.14 brlcad long beach, sacramento, long beach, oakland, anaheim ;)
17:33.17 brlcad fresno, santa ana.. hmm
17:34.07 brlcad that's about 10 million people probably, closer to 20 if you include the suburbs
17:34.35 clock_ santa monica and venice
17:36.02 brlcad famous places, but don't hold a stick up to the other cities population-wise
17:36.31 clock_ why are they famous?
17:37.17 brlcad not even 100k people if I had to guess in santa monica
17:37.17 clock_ I come from Prague and Prague has 1.2M
17:37.17 clock_ so everything under 1.2M is a village for me :)
17:37.20 brlcad ritzy tourist attraction places often found in movies, quirky culture blendings ;)
17:37.34 clock_ that's exact description
17:37.55 clock_ what does ritzy mean?
17:38.04 brlcad expensive
17:38.12 brlcad fancy
17:38.48 clock_ A spirit of medieval evil
17:40.13 brlcad woot, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California
17:40.26 brlcad table half-way
17:42.36 clock_ Prague is to cities what Jet Set Willy or Go To Hell is to computer games
17:42.47 clock_ bizarre.
17:47.55 clock_ some of the CA views are impressive
17:51.17 clock_ I like the stack crossing
17:51.27 clock_ Caltrans :)
18:13.45 clock_ brlcad: hehe, BRL-CAD logo is just Dogtown Skateboards logo with the cross replaced with eagle's body ;-)
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20:16.20 raz brlcad: I downloaded the windows version of brlcad and the brlcad.dsw will not load the *.dsp files. It states the makefiles were not generated by developer studio.
20:37.58 raz brlcad: solution seems to be re-save the *.dsp files when opened in a text editor.
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21:09.08 brlcad heh
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23:22.18 ctj2 Hello, is Sean here and awake?
23:39.16 brlcad hey, long time..
23:39.27 brlcad haven't seen any commits from you yet ;)
23:39.53 ctj2 That's because I'm writing to much code for Max. I still use the cad software whenever I can.
23:40.19 ctj2 I'm actually a GPU programmer now. Shhhh, don't let any of the CSG people hear that.
23:40.20 brlcad how've you been? other than slave coding for Max
23:40.28 brlcad heh
23:40.49 ctj2 Pretty good. My GF had twins november 1st. Michael and Mikayla. (Mike 1 and Mike 2)
23:40.50 brlcad actually.. we got a few graphics cards here to test out some ideas on them using gpgpu techniques
23:41.03 brlcad hah, excellent!
23:41.07 brlcad congratulations
23:41.11 ctj2 Thank you.
23:41.45 ctj2 I came looking for the answer to a very off topic question. What the heck do we call the programs that are internal to the cpu? Machine code? Microcode?
23:42.31 brlcad either/both work depending on the context
23:42.54 ctj2 I need to differniciated it from the opcodes that are generated by the assembler.
23:43.08 ctj2 I hate lossing vocab.
23:43.08 brlcad microcode directly controls the processor
23:43.18 ctj2 Thanks, that's the word I was looking for.
23:43.19 brlcad usually machine code equates to several microcode instructions
23:44.09 ctj2 exactly. One of the big problems I'm dealing with right now is educating people. Some of them have no programming experence. Some have no computer science. Worse still, some of our programmers are good programmers with no CS behind it.
23:44.14 brlcad microcode being hardwired on most non-mainframe computers
23:45.25 brlcad yeah, odd that you have to explain that to someone though ;)
23:45.52 brlcad unless you're trying to explain graphics processor programming
23:46.10 ctj2 The problem is how do you explain the difference between OOP from structured design from structured programming and what the power of each is.
23:46.19 brlcad unless you're actually writing micro/machine code for gpus :)
23:46.30 brlcad very carefully
23:46.32 brlcad :)
23:46.36 ctj2 *grins*
23:47.05 ctj2 Yes, very carefully. I have to deal with people that get cought up in the term of the day, without understanding why and what it means.
23:47.50 ctj2 My latest battle was somebody that required me to use a factory to get an instance that was then so specific that there was no way for that factory to deliver anything other than that one instance.
23:48.46 ctj2 Or people that seem to feel that every class they write is so spectacular and individualized that it belongs in its own library.
23:48.48 ctj2 *grump*
23:51.30 ctj2 So what have you been up to?
23:55.08 ``Erik classes suck
23:55.35 ctj2 Now that leads me to ask the question: OOP classes or collage classes?
23:55.52 ``Erik ood/oop
23:56.01 ``Erik at least, the laughable mockery c++ and java make of classes
23:56.09 ``Erik objc seems interesting, smalltalk is nice
23:56.56 ctj2 Classes/objects in of themselves do not suck. The concept is very powerful. It is a tool that even dinos like myself have to embrace at some point.
23:58.11 ``Erik I was converted into being a big oo fan in '94 or '95, after over 10 years of other shtuff, then got some serious C fu going and realized that c++ buys you nothing but some syntatic sugar that is inappropriate at least 95% of the time
23:58.46 ``Erik I was lukewarm on ruby 6 yrs ago, but smalltalk has me much more appreciative as of a couple yrs ago
23:58.46 ``Erik :)
23:58.59 ``Erik but I still contend that c++ and java are just plain bad.
23:59.54 ctj2 As an example:

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