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| 03:21.41 | prasad | im turning into a marketing schill |
| 03:21.52 | prasad | trying to sell a product that doesnt exist |
| 03:26.12 | Twingy | then hurry up and write it |
| 03:27.49 | prasad | i told them justin shumaker was lead engineer |
| 03:27.55 | prasad | and to direct all technical questions to him |
| 03:28.00 | prasad | and gave them ur cell # |
| 03:28.07 | Twingy | good, cause I can get the shit done :) |
| 03:28.19 | prasad | ;) |
| 03:28.26 | prasad | so yea |
| 03:28.32 | Twingy | okay, living room is all torn up |
| 03:28.40 | prasad | sony is being a little bitch |
| 03:28.40 | Twingy | probly not as bad as mikes |
| 03:28.53 | prasad | wont sell me the dev kit unless i pose as a middleware company |
| 03:29.05 | prasad | now can i do that w/o arl backing? |
| 03:29.05 | Twingy | so start a middleware company? :) |
| 03:29.06 | prasad | =) |
| 03:29.16 | prasad | u got venture capital? |
| 03:29.23 | Twingy | cost you $125 to register a company in deleware |
| 03:29.24 | prasad | if so, lets do it |
| 03:29.39 | Twingy | you don't need vc |
| 03:29.49 | prasad | dev kit costs $$ |
| 03:29.51 | prasad | u got $5k? |
| 03:29.58 | Twingy | bittorent |
| 03:30.01 | prasad | that's the price point in 2 weeks |
| 03:30.08 | Twingy | yea :) |
| 03:30.16 | prasad | yes.. bittorrent hardware.. |
| 03:30.30 | Twingy | wouldn't spend it on that junk though |
| 03:30.48 | Twingy | I'd rather get a new dining room set and hardwood floor |
| 03:30.54 | Twingy | :) |
| 03:30.57 | prasad | im sure i can get wendy to buy one |
| 03:31.03 | Twingy | hah |
| 03:31.06 | Twingy | haha |
| 03:31.07 | prasad | posing as a middleware company might cause her to implode |
| 03:31.16 | prasad | u know it's on my objectives right? |
| 03:31.21 | Twingy | she is faaaaar to risk adverse |
| 03:31.22 | prasad | acquiring cell hardware? |
| 03:31.30 | Twingy | you'd have better luck getting it through bill |
| 03:31.48 | prasad | im allowed to circumvent the branch chief? |
| 03:31.48 | Twingy | he seems to be uncle warbucks lately |
| 03:31.59 | Twingy | no, but it didn't stop me with alexis |
| 03:32.14 | Twingy | she just doesn't know what's good for her |
| 03:32.26 | prasad | i didnt follow ur previous comment |
| 03:32.35 | prasad | u convinced her to bring on board alexis |
| 03:32.35 | Twingy | I didn't expect you to |
| 03:32.44 | Twingy | that's the perception, yes :) |
| 03:32.59 | prasad | well i convinced wendy to send me to gdc |
| 03:33.04 | prasad | so i have something going for me |
| 03:33.05 | prasad | =) |
| 03:33.08 | Twingy | cause it's training |
| 03:33.14 | Twingy | where's wendy today |
| 03:33.15 | Twingy | training |
| 03:33.19 | prasad | heh |
| 03:33.20 | Twingy | big surprise! |
| 03:33.49 | prasad | the sony guy was telling me about a company called mercury or something like that |
| 03:33.51 | prasad | from germany |
| 03:33.56 | prasad | that does real time rt |
| 03:33.58 | Twingy | I herd of them |
| 03:34.05 | Twingy | from siggraph 04 and 05 |
| 03:34.07 | prasad | apparently showcased at siggraph |
| 03:34.09 | prasad | ah |
| 03:34.33 | Twingy | yartc |
| 03:34.43 | prasad | so i have an intel and sony contact |
| 03:35.03 | prasad | waiting for ibm to email me back about dev kits |
| 03:35.14 | Twingy | find any women? |
| 03:35.20 | prasad | nop |
| 03:35.27 | Twingy | sheesh |
| 03:35.35 | prasad | u shouldnt be talking |
| 03:35.38 | prasad | =) |
| 03:35.39 | Twingy | hey |
| 03:35.58 | Twingy | last siggraph woulda been perfect if she didn't have a kid |
| 03:36.10 | prasad | uh huh |
| 03:36.16 | Twingy | there's always boston |
| 03:36.26 | Twingy | so I get to spin the wheel of siggraph again |
| 03:36.30 | prasad | heh u guys should see the will wright keynote |
| 03:36.33 | prasad | fucking hilarious |
| 03:36.47 | prasad | guy started talking about the russian space program |
| 03:36.49 | prasad | out of the blue |
| 03:36.55 | Twingy | you wanna see a good keynote, check out bruce sterlings from siggraph '04 |
| 03:36.58 | prasad | along with other random topics |
| 03:37.08 | Twingy | it'll keep you thinking long after you're done watching it |
| 03:37.09 | prasad | hey nintendo's keynote was excellent |
| 03:37.35 | prasad | they'll support all *NES games AND all SEGA saturn games |
| 03:37.41 | prasad | er the revolution will |
| 03:38.05 | Twingy | I wonder if I'll ever play video games again |
| 03:38.17 | Twingy | you know I haven't played one in over a year? |
| 03:38.20 | prasad | m$ has already lost the war |
| 03:38.24 | prasad | it's nintendo vs sony |
| 03:38.34 | Twingy | actually, I played 10 minutes of tux racer this year |
| 03:38.41 | prasad | didnt u play gta recently |
| 03:38.53 | Twingy | it's still sitting on the floor |
| 03:38.58 | prasad | oh yea.. nvidia's "advanced rendering effects" lecture was such BS |
| 03:39.03 | Twingy | I played that for 30 minutes at a friends house |
| 03:39.14 | prasad | it turned out to be a sales pitch for the havok fx physics engine |
| 03:39.15 | Twingy | heh |
| 03:39.18 | prasad | that runs on the nvidia gpu |
| 03:39.21 | prasad | sorta cool |
| 03:39.28 | prasad | but come on.. |
| 03:39.33 | Twingy | I'm sooooooooo over tooty fruity graphics tricks no matter how much math they try to soil it with |
| 03:39.42 | prasad | and i was one # away from getting that 7800gt in the raffele |
| 03:39.45 | prasad | :o |
| 03:39.59 | prasad | im with u |
| 03:40.07 | prasad | that's why i want rt hardware |
| 03:40.17 | Twingy | that's for the quasi-mathematicians |
| 03:40.30 | prasad | ? |
| 03:40.41 | Twingy | I'm more interested in engineering the appropriate hardware to solve my problems |
| 03:41.02 | prasad | im trying to do the same thing with hardware |
| 03:41.08 | Twingy | (assuming it cannot be done in a respectable manner on a general purpose cpu) |
| 03:41.18 | prasad | arent u bandwidth limited? |
| 03:41.25 | prasad | what's the peak fps |
| 03:41.29 | prasad | for stryker |
| 03:41.44 | Twingy | if siggraph spent all the man hours on quantum computing rather than graphics tricks, we'd be in a different era |
| 03:41.56 | Twingy | 1 node or cluster? |
| 03:42.01 | prasad | cluster |
| 03:42.11 | Twingy | oh, I can push 25 fps on the new cluster I think |
| 03:42.14 | prasad | and what's the performance of 4 nodes vs 6 vs 8 |
| 03:42.20 | Twingy | with alexis's that's about 150 fps |
| 03:42.32 | prasad | 25 bandwidth limited or are u not saturating the gig e? |
| 03:42.37 | Twingy | it's 90% linear |
| 03:42.48 | Twingy | I'm not even close to saturdation |
| 03:42.56 | prasad | ack |
| 03:43.02 | prasad | i thought u were |
| 03:43.03 | prasad | hmph |
| 03:43.05 | Twingy | nope |
| 03:43.11 | Twingy | everything is compressed |
| 03:43.23 | prasad | zlib? |
| 03:43.24 | Twingy | even uncompressed it'd take like 32 nodes to get close |
| 03:43.26 | Twingy | yes |
| 03:43.30 | Twingy | it's lame, but it works |
| 03:43.32 | prasad | whats the compression overhead |
| 03:43.38 | Twingy | minimal |
| 03:43.38 | Twingy | like 10% |
| 03:43.43 | prasad | k |
| 03:44.04 | Twingy | wait till you see alexis's stuff |
| 03:44.16 | Twingy | as much as a difference I made between adrt and brl-cad |
| 03:44.20 | prasad | ive been asking for a demo since forever |
| 03:44.22 | Twingy | there will be between adrt and alexis's stuff |
| 03:44.35 | Twingy | I'm not at liberty to hand one out |
| 03:45.37 | prasad | the only way i can get the ps3 dev kit is if i pose as a middleware person who can guarantee an RT api that runs on cell |
| 03:46.12 | prasad | good performance on 4 spus will be ideal |
| 03:46.20 | Twingy | I might be able to help you out |
| 03:46.28 | Twingy | talk to me next week |
| 03:46.33 | prasad | all it needs is to maintain 30fps |
| 03:46.37 | prasad | hdmi standard |
| 03:46.43 | Twingy | sure, but talk to me next week |
| 03:46.47 | prasad | k |
| 03:47.01 | prasad | ill hold off on talking to the sony rep till then |
| 03:47.36 | Twingy | I'd say there's a 70% chance we could get it based on new things happening |
| 03:47.49 | prasad | new things where |
| 03:48.06 | Twingy | in land of arl from high above |
| 03:48.11 | prasad | i see |
| 03:49.06 | Twingy | you could potentially work with alexis on this |
| 03:49.31 | prasad | true |
| 03:49.46 | Twingy | he is your best resource |
| 03:49.54 | prasad | but how do i get the go ahead from management |
| 03:50.07 | prasad | unless u mean circumvent arl altogether |
| 03:50.10 | Twingy | that's not an irc conversation |
| 03:50.13 | Twingy | no, it's legit |
| 03:50.19 | prasad | oh interesting |
| 03:50.22 | prasad | k we'll talk later |
| 03:50.43 | Twingy | yea |
| 03:51.13 | Twingy | if I were to guess, it'd be 4 - 8 months before you got it |
| 03:51.56 | prasad | heh |
| 03:53.19 | prasad | now selling this api will be pretty hard as a primary renderer |
| 03:53.36 | Twingy | do you know how to check your priv msgs? |
| 03:53.40 | prasad | completely discarding the rsx will be very bad |
| 03:53.56 | prasad | did u pm the wrong nick? |
| 03:54.02 | pra5ad-sj | pm me |
| 03:54.28 | Twingy | are you registered with nick serv? |
| 03:54.35 | pra5ad-sj | gah |
| 03:54.57 | pra5ad-sj | u on aim? |
| 03:55.01 | Twingy | yes |
| 04:06.36 | brlcad | bruce sterling was awesome at siggraph 2004, .. best .. keynote .. ever |
| 04:07.25 | brlcad | wait.. that's not who I'm thinking of :) |
| 04:07.42 | Twingy | it certainly wasn't lucas |
| 04:07.54 | pra5ad-sj | got a video? |
| 04:08.01 | brlcad | that's the worst in a long time |
| 04:08.15 | pra5ad-sj | went to the new m$ flight sim terrain gen lecture |
| 04:08.15 | Twingy | http://www.boingboing.net/images/blobjects.htm |
| 04:08.18 | Twingy | ^-- there |
| 04:08.18 | pra5ad-sj | very interesting stuff |
| 04:08.18 | brlcad | he just didn't give a damn to be there.. utterly boring to listen to |
| 04:08.29 | pra5ad-sj | procedural textures in software |
| 04:09.05 | brlcad | the guy i'm thinking of wasn't keynote |
| 04:09.21 | brlcad | maybe the lifetime achievement award |
| 04:09.31 | brlcad | talked about his work on sketch |
| 04:09.57 | brlcad | 8kb ram to work in for code and graphics |
| 04:10.01 | brlcad | or somesuch |
| 04:11.33 | brlcad | san diego iirc |
| 04:18.16 | Twingy | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:19.34 | brlcad | java? :) |
| 04:20.00 | Twingy | hmm :) |
| 04:20.05 | brlcad | apple! |
| 04:20.34 | pra5ad-sj | oh yea |
| 04:20.44 | pra5ad-sj | i talked to david carmein today |
| 04:20.47 | pra5ad-sj | met him up at lunch |
| 04:21.02 | pra5ad-sj | ceo of VSD inc (aka omni directional treadmill) |
| 04:21.17 | pra5ad-sj | interesting chap |
| 04:21.21 | pra5ad-sj | got good ideas |
| 04:21.29 | pra5ad-sj | lacks funding |
| 04:21.47 | brlcad | that device can't be cheap |
| 04:21.49 | pra5ad-sj | apparently the hamster ball treadmill idea was his (he is cited in their patent) |
| 04:22.57 | brlcad | you should tell him that he should demo the platform with someone playing bzflag |
| 04:23.08 | brlcad | or counterstrike or something |
| 04:23.10 | pra5ad-sj | heh hred wants a system w/o harness but the odt needs one for full immersion |
| 04:23.29 | pra5ad-sj | well hred is using some game engine coupled with the odt |
| 04:23.33 | pra5ad-sj | so he says |
| 04:23.42 | pra5ad-sj | perhaps there is a game tied into the system |
| 04:23.53 | pra5ad-sj | can find out when we go on the field trip |
| 04:24.06 | brlcad | mm.. bzflag compiled on the spot |
| 04:27.49 | pra5ad-sj | The following items were included in this shipment: |
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| 04:27.55 | pra5ad-sj | ARRRRR! |
| 04:28.13 | pra5ad-sj | i swear it didn't cost that much when i bought it |
| 04:28.40 | brlcad | that's almost a new computer |
| 04:28.55 | pra5ad-sj | i know =( |
| 04:29.13 | pra5ad-sj | nintendo's brain game is fuckin brilliant |
| 04:29.17 | pra5ad-sj | i want to get a DS just for that |
| 04:29.32 | pra5ad-sj | treadmill for ur brain |
| 04:29.33 | pra5ad-sj | and it works |
| 04:29.45 | pra5ad-sj | they performed an experiement on stage at the keynote |
| 04:30.00 | pra5ad-sj | convinced me ^_^ |
| 04:32.06 | pra5ad-sj | so i did save a little.. normal price is $520 |
| 04:33.28 | brlcad | brain game? |
| 04:33.40 | pra5ad-sj | yea |
| 04:33.41 | brlcad | trying to smarten up the dulled massives |
| 04:33.46 | pra5ad-sj | the crazy japanese |
| 04:33.57 | pra5ad-sj | it's the fastest selling game in japan |
| 04:34.00 | brlcad | tired of selling to idiots |
| 04:34.07 | pra5ad-sj | and it only has math puzzles |
| 04:34.39 | pra5ad-sj | nintendo gave out free copies to everyone at the keynote |
| 04:34.54 | brlcad | now, if they could just combine the hamster treadmill thing with the brain game thing.. two problems would be taken care of |
| 04:34.59 | pra5ad-sj | i couldnt leave my seat cos will wright was up next and i didnt want to get back in that damn long line |
| 04:35.10 | pra5ad-sj | heh |
| 04:35.41 | pra5ad-sj | just wear a suit with million electrodes that produce eletric shocks |
| 05:31.54 | Twingy | only took 90 minutes too |
| 05:41.50 | pra5ad-sj | sketch? |
| 05:42.23 | brlcad | Twingy: for isst? |
| 05:42.24 | Twingy | yea, they let you talk for 15 minutes about something that's not beefy enough for a paper |
| 05:42.30 | Twingy | cnc milling |
| 05:42.34 | brlcad | heh |
| 05:42.53 | Twingy | there's 118 submitted so far |
| 05:42.57 | brlcad | eep |
| 05:43.01 | Twingy | typically they only pick about 50 |
| 05:43.22 | Twingy | so, I think I got atleast a 50% chance |
| 05:43.33 | Twingy | depends on who else does related stuff |
| 05:43.55 | Twingy | if they get one or two 3d printer guys |
| 05:44.02 | pra5ad-sj | heh |
| 05:44.06 | Twingy | then it could be quite likely |
| 05:44.39 | Twingy | either way I can try the milling again next year |
| 05:45.58 | pra5ad-sj | tomorrow is ps3/cell day |
| 05:46.13 | pra5ad-sj | waking up early to get a good seat |
| 05:46.26 | pra5ad-sj | way too many ppl today |
| 05:46.35 | pra5ad-sj | all lectures were overflowing |
| 05:47.54 | Twingy | sounds alot like siggraph |
| 05:48.05 | Twingy | minus the hangover |
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