00:08.49 |
``Erik |
NARF! |
00:13.00 |
tegtmeye |
eh! which one of our machines has the most
memory? |
00:13.21 |
tegtmeye |
rack has 8 and I jsut killed it... |
00:18.38 |
``Erik |
um, the altix has like 24g |
00:19.20 |
tegtmeye |
I don't think I have an account on
wopr |
00:19.31 |
tegtmeye |
can you give me one from home? |
00:19.35 |
``Erik |
no |
00:19.37 |
brlcad |
not really public conversation
material |
00:19.39 |
``Erik |
it's not mine |
00:19.46 |
``Erik |
and we dont' say actual machine names in
public |
00:19.53 |
tegtmeye |
gotcha |
00:20.35 |
``Erik |
the second most I can think of off the top of
my head is the amd64 minicluster with 8g/node |
00:21.08 |
tegtmeye |
yea, jsut killed one with 8 |
00:21.12 |
tegtmeye |
stupid perl |
00:21.17 |
brlcad |
heh |
00:21.18 |
``Erik |
didja cook up much swap on it? |
00:21.19 |
brlcad |
bad regex |
00:21.21 |
``Erik |
heh, perl sucks :D |
00:21.56 |
brlcad |
if it wasn't a regex, I don't want to know how
you ran through that much memory |
00:22.12 |
tegtmeye |
graph stuff |
00:22.17 |
``Erik |
perl is as perl does? :) |
00:22.26 |
brlcad |
if it was, you should be able to cut that down
with different expressions |
00:22.46 |
brlcad |
ahm.. storing sparse matrices in hash tables?
:) |
00:22.48 |
tegtmeye |
no regex at all |
00:23.08 |
tegtmeye |
no |
00:23.14 |
tegtmeye |
adjacency lists |
00:23.17 |
tegtmeye |
sp |
00:24.16 |
brlcad |
perl isn't "horrible" on memory usage
generally speaking.. not as bad as some other languages at least;
sure you're not doing something that's causing some explosive
allocation? |
00:24.18 |
tegtmeye |
Mar 27 19:06:10 ?? kernel: Node 0 Normal:
0*4kB 0*8kB 1*16kB 0*32kB 1*64kB 1*128kB 1*256kB 1*51 |
00:24.21 |
tegtmeye |
2kB 1*1024kB 0*2048kB 0*4096kB =
2000kB |
00:24.24 |
tegtmeye |
Mar 27 19:06:10 ?? kernel: Node 0 HighMem:
empty |
00:24.26 |
tegtmeye |
Mar 27 19:06:10 ?? kernel: Swap cache: add
516944, delete 516944, find 255/1278, race 0+0 |
00:24.30 |
tegtmeye |
Mar 27 19:06:10 ?? kernel: Free swap:
0kB |
00:24.32 |
tegtmeye |
Mar 27 19:06:10 ?? kernel: 2097150 pages of
RAM |
00:24.35 |
tegtmeye |
Mar 27 19:06:10 ?? kernel: 249625 reserved
pages |
00:24.37 |
tegtmeye |
Mar 27 19:06:10 ?? kernel: 6527 pages
shared |
00:24.40 |
tegtmeye |
Mar 27 19:06:10 ?? kernel: 0 pages swap
cached |
00:24.42 |
tegtmeye |
Mar 27 19:06:10 ?? kernel: Out of Memory:
Killed process 31308 (bash). |
00:24.55 |
tegtmeye |
yea, doing static analysis on
doxygen... |
00:25.00 |
tegtmeye |
it has like 20k functions |
00:25.21 |
``Erik |
erm, y'know, we're only allowed to use those
computers for official work related business o.O |
00:25.26 |
``Erik |
:) |
00:25.50 |
brlcad |
on doxygen?? |
00:26.21 |
brlcad |
it's a document tool, i could care less how
poorly written it is :) |
00:26.28 |
brlcad |
but then that's just me |
00:26.47 |
``Erik |
doesn't it use crap from like kde or
qt? |
00:27.00 |
brlcad |
not last I payed attention |
00:27.08 |
brlcad |
at least not required |
00:48.52 |
``Erik |
ahhh O.o |
00:50.00 |
pra5ad |
sonofa.. oblivion is xp only too |
00:50.04 |
pra5ad |
this is ridiculous |
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brlcad |
grr |
03:25.05 |
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brlcad |
hrmph |
03:25.40 |
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03:26.55 |
brlcad |
sheesh |
03:29.49 |
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03:33.36 |
pra5ad |
ok so im trying to use tinyxml for the c++ gl
test |
03:33.49 |
pra5ad |
its makefile only produces obj files |
03:34.00 |
pra5ad |
how do i incorporate that into my gnu build
system? |
03:34.05 |
pra5ad |
or whats the best way |
03:36.00 |
brlcad |
who would only make .o files |
03:36.36 |
brlcad |
you can half-ass it and just add them to the
LIBS or LDFLAGS |
03:36.45 |
pra5ad |
*** i have a 15% gdc discount at
www.akpeters.com (till 4/30/06) ... let me know if u are planning
to get some books from that site |
03:36.47 |
brlcad |
or convert the build to a gbs one |
03:37.33 |
pra5ad |
hm |
03:38.59 |
brlcad |
actually yeah, http://www.akpeters.com/product.asp?ProdCode=2175 |
03:43.01 |
pra5ad |
since i'm not selling this gl test prog, i can
technically rip out the src (3 cpp files) and put em under my
build, right? |
03:43.10 |
brlcad |
mm.. http://www.akpeters.com/product.asp?ProdCode=1772 |
03:43.13 |
pra5ad |
iirc its under gpl |
03:43.56 |
pra5ad |
dude, email me the list of books |
03:44.11 |
pra5ad |
im sorta curious about em too |
03:49.23 |
brlcad |
only other one maybe, http://www.akpeters.com/product.asp?ProdCode=0903 |
03:52.29 |
brlcad |
sent |
04:04.48 |
Twingy |
unf |
04:04.54 |
Twingy |
soooo many boards |
04:21.45 |
Maloeran |
Eh, coerced ``Erik into giving a hand
yet? |
04:28.36 |
Twingy |
he's been sick for like 10 days? |
04:28.44 |
Twingy |
and refuses to get antibiotics |
04:32.36 |
Maloeran |
Ouch, so he's still sick... |
04:33.01 |
Twingy |
he should be using sick days :) |
04:33.14 |
Twingy |
with all the sick people I've been around at
work |
04:33.20 |
Twingy |
you'd think I'd be on my death bed |
04:33.53 |
pra5ad |
gym is my antibiotic |
04:34.21 |
Maloeran |
Sure, regular exercise and a good
cardiovascular system greatly reinforces the immunity
system |
04:34.48 |
Maloeran |
I haven't been sick for... many years
either |
04:35.59 |
pra5ad |
so when do i get to see ur
raytracer? |
04:36.23 |
Maloeran |
Hrm, what about at Siggraph? :) |
04:36.35 |
Maloeran |
I should have dynamic geometry support nicely
completed by then |
04:36.42 |
pra5ad |
oh yea? nice |
04:37.04 |
pra5ad |
what are u using as the spatial structure?
kinetic octree? |
04:37.13 |
Maloeran |
Not a known technique |
04:37.18 |
pra5ad |
ohh |
04:37.20 |
pra5ad |
heh =) |
04:37.21 |
Maloeran |
The ray-triangle intersection test is a new
technique too |
04:38.38 |
Maloeran |
pra5ad, I vaguely understood you were
interested by low-level hardware, have you played with
FPGAs? |
04:39.10 |
pra5ad |
sure have |
04:39.14 |
brlcad |
you're presenting a paper at
siggraph? |
04:39.16 |
pra5ad |
xilinx mostly |
04:39.33 |
pra5ad |
done a little abel and verliog |
04:40.31 |
brlcad |
or going to demo it at the brl-cad bof?
:) |
04:40.46 |
Twingy |
no no |
04:40.52 |
Twingy |
the Justin is your God bof |
04:40.58 |
Twingy |
:} |
04:41.03 |
brlcad |
we need better compute power this
year |
04:41.10 |
Twingy |
I got that covered |
04:41.17 |
brlcad |
heh |
04:41.28 |
Twingy |
mal, I'll have a dual cpu dual core 2ghz
opteron there for yah |
04:41.30 |
brlcad |
should still.. press for new equipment by
then |
04:42.05 |
brlcad |
hopefully it'll arive in time |
04:42.13 |
Twingy |
the craptops? |
04:42.14 |
brlcad |
i needs it, i vants it |
04:42.35 |
pra5ad |
help me push for a dual cell blade |
04:42.38 |
pra5ad |
only $50k |
04:42.39 |
pra5ad |
=) |
04:43.32 |
Twingy |
heh, in that case let me just cash out my
trust fund |
04:58.29 |
pra5ad |
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ps3/117907118/ |
04:58.46 |
pra5ad |
warhawk on ps3; clouds rendered using
raycasting |
04:58.50 |
pra5ad |
on a single spu |
05:07.19 |
Maloeran |
Sorry about that, phone call from friend
lawyer. So pra5ad, ever pondered about putting together ray-tracing
hardware? :} |
05:08.38 |
pra5ad |
my interest has peaked recently |
05:09.00 |
pra5ad |
would be a fun project :) |
05:09.26 |
Maloeran |
For my part, I am really interested. I'm the
kind of guy who write assembly for any common archs and stomp
compilers, but I never went below that |
05:10.09 |
Maloeran |
As it was for rasterization many years ago,
specialized hardware will be the key for ray-tracing |
05:10.21 |
pra5ad |
i agree |
05:11.09 |
pra5ad |
wonder if xilinx is selling a pci-x fpga
prototyping board |
05:12.19 |
Maloeran |
This sure would be appropriate, such hardware
would require pci-x's bandwidth |
05:13.09 |
Maloeran |
What emulation software do you use or would
recommend? |
05:13.10 |
pra5ad |
personally id like to try out two things: the
pci-x path or build it against cell |
05:13.35 |
pra5ad |
heh i cheated |
05:13.40 |
pra5ad |
xilinx's own tools |
05:13.55 |
pra5ad |
i dont believe they have any for
nix/osx |
05:14.10 |
pra5ad |
then again this was 3 yrs ago |
05:14.21 |
Maloeran |
Mmhm, I see |
05:14.46 |
pra5ad |
the one we used in 2k4 was pretty powerful
imo |
05:14.54 |
pra5ad |
full system simulation |
05:15.04 |
pra5ad |
and our schematic was pretty complex |
05:15.15 |
pra5ad |
twas a DLA |
05:15.39 |
pra5ad |
iirc it allowed us to create components and
tie em together; building blocks |
05:15.45 |
pra5ad |
and simulate it that way |
05:16.12 |
pra5ad |
and i do believe it cost around the order of
$200 |
05:16.35 |
pra5ad |
(project budget was somewhere around
that) |
05:16.39 |
Maloeran |
Interesting. What software would you recommend
for an initiation into the path that would lead to efficient
ray-tracing hardware many years from now? |
05:17.54 |
Maloeran |
Most preferabily nix software... :) |
05:17.59 |
Maloeran |
preferably, even |
05:18.07 |
pra5ad |
i really shouldnt have any say in this, but id
stick with the hardware vendor tools |
05:18.12 |
pra5ad |
ah.. that i dont know |
05:18.23 |
pra5ad |
never really did look into nix stuff |
05:18.52 |
pra5ad |
i believe altera's basic dev kits run about
$150-200 |
05:19.03 |
pra5ad |
includes vhdl compilers |
05:19.05 |
pra5ad |
iirc |
05:20.16 |
Maloeran |
I see, thanks for the tip |
05:22.29 |
pra5ad |
ah yea, we used the spartan 3E's |
05:24.14 |
pra5ad |
ohh interesting |
05:24.22 |
pra5ad |
logic building tools |
05:24.23 |
pra5ad |
System Requirements |
05:24.23 |
pra5ad |
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05:24.23 |
pra5ad |
<PROTECTED> |
05:24.23 |
pra5ad |
<PROTECTED> |
05:24.29 |
pra5ad |
might wanna try that |
05:25.05 |
Maloeran |
Nice, that seems more convenient |
05:25.13 |
pra5ad |
http://www.xilinx.com/ise/logic_design_prod/foundation.htm |
05:25.20 |
pra5ad |
evaluation cd |
05:25.24 |
pra5ad |
heh full version is 2.5k |
05:26.41 |
Maloeran |
Ouch. I really want to explore this avenue
soon, after I'm done with the software side |
05:28.27 |
pra5ad |
http://www.xilinx.com/xlnx/xebiz/designResources/ip_product_details.jsp?key=HW-V4-ML455&sGlobalNavPick=PRODUCTS&sSecondaryNavPick=BOARDS |
05:28.32 |
pra5ad |
pci-x dev kit |
05:28.38 |
pra5ad |
for virtex-4s |
05:28.46 |
pra5ad |
1.2k |
05:30.55 |
pra5ad |
heh now i want to get a dev kit |
05:30.58 |
Maloeran |
Eh, I think I can be satisfied with software
emulation for the moment, to gain some experience with this strange
new world |
05:31.44 |
pra5ad |
it's really not that hard |
05:31.52 |
pra5ad |
id say it's easier than asm |
05:31.54 |
pra5ad |
much easier |
05:33.29 |
pra5ad |
so i get to learn about this new raytracing
algorithm in august eh? |
05:34.17 |
Maloeran |
I'm afraid it's unlikely that you will learn
more than what level of performance it reaches... :) |
05:36.55 |
pra5ad |
collaboration? =) |
05:38.52 |
Maloeran |
That might be an option, I'm really unsure of
how things will unfold at the moment |
05:39.15 |
pra5ad |
ah, ok |
06:01.33 |
Twingy |
damn I'm getting close to producing working
g-code |
06:16.53 |
Twingy |
bed time |
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15:46.56 |
docelic |
hi folks.. any of sourceforge project owners
here ? |
15:47.20 |
docelic |
s/owners/brlcad admins/ |
15:47.39 |
docelic |
haha good :) |
15:48.07 |
``Erik |
o.O |
15:49.42 |
docelic |
I am working on a large project too, and we
are thinking of opening a sourceforge project.. but if I remember,
brlcad was specially announced on sf.net frontpage, so maybe such a
deal could be made with us as well |
15:50.04 |
docelic |
I'd like to find out the people I could talk
to about such possibility |
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BRL-CAD: 03lbutler *
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even if one fails |
15:56.17 |
``Erik |
I don't think anything special was done for
that... we had a cvs repo that we wanted imported |
15:57.14 |
``Erik |
so brlcad over there *point* talked to them
and gave them a tarball of goop, as well as sending a blurb to
slashdot... I d'no if he did anything special for sf news, or if
they just did it themselves |
19:01.51 |
brlcad |
docelic: yes |
19:02.25 |
docelic |
hi brlcad |
19:02.55 |
brlcad |
sf.net picks up news for their main page at
their discretion based on when you post news to your project
:) |
19:03.55 |
docelic |
so you did not make any special arrangements
to have it appear there? I might be wrong, but I remember them
having the 1:1 picture of your logo on the main site for a
week |
19:04.17 |
brlcad |
really? |
19:04.22 |
brlcad |
i never knew that |
19:05.10 |
brlcad |
so yeah.. no special arrangements other than
being a high-profile popular newsworthy project ;) |
19:06.17 |
docelic |
interesting.. |
19:08.35 |
brlcad |
likewise |
19:08.54 |
brlcad |
i could just be forgetting, but I didn't know
about the sf.net news |
19:27.20 |
brlcad |
time to get out the hose |
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CIA-5 |
BRL-CAD: alternating between release numbers.
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