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00:08.49 ``Erik NARF!
00:13.00 tegtmeye eh! which one of our machines has the most memory?
00:13.21 tegtmeye rack has 8 and I jsut killed it...
00:18.38 ``Erik um, the altix has like 24g
00:19.20 tegtmeye I don't think I have an account on wopr
00:19.31 tegtmeye can you give me one from home?
00:19.35 ``Erik no
00:19.37 brlcad not really public conversation material
00:19.39 ``Erik it's not mine
00:19.46 ``Erik and we dont' say actual machine names in public
00:19.53 tegtmeye gotcha
00:20.35 ``Erik the second most I can think of off the top of my head is the amd64 minicluster with 8g/node
00:21.08 tegtmeye yea, jsut killed one with 8
00:21.12 tegtmeye stupid perl
00:21.17 brlcad heh
00:21.18 ``Erik didja cook up much swap on it?
00:21.19 brlcad bad regex
00:21.21 ``Erik heh, perl sucks :D
00:21.56 brlcad if it wasn't a regex, I don't want to know how you ran through that much memory
00:22.12 tegtmeye graph stuff
00:22.17 ``Erik perl is as perl does? :)
00:22.26 brlcad if it was, you should be able to cut that down with different expressions
00:22.46 brlcad ahm.. storing sparse matrices in hash tables? :)
00:22.48 tegtmeye no regex at all
00:23.08 tegtmeye no
00:23.14 tegtmeye adjacency lists
00:23.17 tegtmeye sp
00:24.16 brlcad perl isn't "horrible" on memory usage generally speaking.. not as bad as some other languages at least; sure you're not doing something that's causing some explosive allocation?
00:24.18 tegtmeye Mar 27 19:06:10 ?? kernel: Node 0 Normal: 0*4kB 0*8kB 1*16kB 0*32kB 1*64kB 1*128kB 1*256kB 1*51
00:24.21 tegtmeye 2kB 1*1024kB 0*2048kB 0*4096kB = 2000kB
00:24.24 tegtmeye Mar 27 19:06:10 ?? kernel: Node 0 HighMem: empty
00:24.26 tegtmeye Mar 27 19:06:10 ?? kernel: Swap cache: add 516944, delete 516944, find 255/1278, race 0+0
00:24.30 tegtmeye Mar 27 19:06:10 ?? kernel: Free swap: 0kB
00:24.32 tegtmeye Mar 27 19:06:10 ?? kernel: 2097150 pages of RAM
00:24.35 tegtmeye Mar 27 19:06:10 ?? kernel: 249625 reserved pages
00:24.37 tegtmeye Mar 27 19:06:10 ?? kernel: 6527 pages shared
00:24.40 tegtmeye Mar 27 19:06:10 ?? kernel: 0 pages swap cached
00:24.42 tegtmeye Mar 27 19:06:10 ?? kernel: Out of Memory: Killed process 31308 (bash).
00:24.55 tegtmeye yea, doing static analysis on doxygen...
00:25.00 tegtmeye it has like 20k functions
00:25.21 ``Erik erm, y'know, we're only allowed to use those computers for official work related business o.O
00:25.26 ``Erik :)
00:25.50 brlcad on doxygen??
00:26.21 brlcad it's a document tool, i could care less how poorly written it is :)
00:26.28 brlcad but then that's just me
00:26.47 ``Erik doesn't it use crap from like kde or qt?
00:27.00 brlcad not last I payed attention
00:27.08 brlcad at least not required
00:48.52 ``Erik ahhh O.o
00:50.00 pra5ad sonofa.. oblivion is xp only too
00:50.04 pra5ad this is ridiculous
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03:24.35 brlcad grr
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03:25.34 brlcad hrmph
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03:26.55 brlcad sheesh
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03:33.36 pra5ad ok so im trying to use tinyxml for the c++ gl test
03:33.49 pra5ad its makefile only produces obj files
03:34.00 pra5ad how do i incorporate that into my gnu build system?
03:34.05 pra5ad or whats the best way
03:36.00 brlcad who would only make .o files
03:36.36 brlcad you can half-ass it and just add them to the LIBS or LDFLAGS
03:36.45 pra5ad *** i have a 15% gdc discount at www.akpeters.com (till 4/30/06) ... let me know if u are planning to get some books from that site
03:36.47 brlcad or convert the build to a gbs one
03:37.33 pra5ad hm
03:38.59 brlcad actually yeah, http://www.akpeters.com/product.asp?ProdCode=2175
03:43.01 pra5ad since i'm not selling this gl test prog, i can technically rip out the src (3 cpp files) and put em under my build, right?
03:43.10 brlcad mm.. http://www.akpeters.com/product.asp?ProdCode=1772
03:43.13 pra5ad iirc its under gpl
03:43.56 pra5ad dude, email me the list of books
03:44.11 pra5ad im sorta curious about em too
03:49.23 brlcad only other one maybe, http://www.akpeters.com/product.asp?ProdCode=0903
03:52.29 brlcad sent
04:04.48 Twingy unf
04:04.54 Twingy soooo many boards
04:21.45 Maloeran Eh, coerced ``Erik into giving a hand yet?
04:28.36 Twingy he's been sick for like 10 days?
04:28.44 Twingy and refuses to get antibiotics
04:32.36 Maloeran Ouch, so he's still sick...
04:33.01 Twingy he should be using sick days :)
04:33.14 Twingy with all the sick people I've been around at work
04:33.20 Twingy you'd think I'd be on my death bed
04:33.53 pra5ad gym is my antibiotic
04:34.21 Maloeran Sure, regular exercise and a good cardiovascular system greatly reinforces the immunity system
04:34.48 Maloeran I haven't been sick for... many years either
04:35.59 pra5ad so when do i get to see ur raytracer?
04:36.23 Maloeran Hrm, what about at Siggraph? :)
04:36.35 Maloeran I should have dynamic geometry support nicely completed by then
04:36.42 pra5ad oh yea? nice
04:37.04 pra5ad what are u using as the spatial structure? kinetic octree?
04:37.13 Maloeran Not a known technique
04:37.18 pra5ad ohh
04:37.20 pra5ad heh =)
04:37.21 Maloeran The ray-triangle intersection test is a new technique too
04:38.38 Maloeran pra5ad, I vaguely understood you were interested by low-level hardware, have you played with FPGAs?
04:39.10 pra5ad sure have
04:39.14 brlcad you're presenting a paper at siggraph?
04:39.16 pra5ad xilinx mostly
04:39.33 pra5ad done a little abel and verliog
04:40.31 brlcad or going to demo it at the brl-cad bof? :)
04:40.46 Twingy no no
04:40.52 Twingy the Justin is your God bof
04:40.58 Twingy :}
04:41.03 brlcad we need better compute power this year
04:41.10 Twingy I got that covered
04:41.17 brlcad heh
04:41.28 Twingy mal, I'll have a dual cpu dual core 2ghz opteron there for yah
04:41.30 brlcad should still.. press for new equipment by then
04:42.05 brlcad hopefully it'll arive in time
04:42.13 Twingy the craptops?
04:42.14 brlcad i needs it, i vants it
04:42.35 pra5ad help me push for a dual cell blade
04:42.38 pra5ad only $50k
04:42.39 pra5ad =)
04:43.32 Twingy heh, in that case let me just cash out my trust fund
04:58.29 pra5ad http://www.flickr.com/photos/ps3/117907118/
04:58.46 pra5ad warhawk on ps3; clouds rendered using raycasting
04:58.50 pra5ad on a single spu
05:07.19 Maloeran Sorry about that, phone call from friend lawyer. So pra5ad, ever pondered about putting together ray-tracing hardware? :}
05:08.38 pra5ad my interest has peaked recently
05:09.00 pra5ad would be a fun project :)
05:09.26 Maloeran For my part, I am really interested. I'm the kind of guy who write assembly for any common archs and stomp compilers, but I never went below that
05:10.09 Maloeran As it was for rasterization many years ago, specialized hardware will be the key for ray-tracing
05:10.21 pra5ad i agree
05:11.09 pra5ad wonder if xilinx is selling a pci-x fpga prototyping board
05:12.19 Maloeran This sure would be appropriate, such hardware would require pci-x's bandwidth
05:13.09 Maloeran What emulation software do you use or would recommend?
05:13.10 pra5ad personally id like to try out two things: the pci-x path or build it against cell
05:13.35 pra5ad heh i cheated
05:13.40 pra5ad xilinx's own tools
05:13.55 pra5ad i dont believe they have any for nix/osx
05:14.10 pra5ad then again this was 3 yrs ago
05:14.21 Maloeran Mmhm, I see
05:14.46 pra5ad the one we used in 2k4 was pretty powerful imo
05:14.54 pra5ad full system simulation
05:15.04 pra5ad and our schematic was pretty complex
05:15.15 pra5ad twas a DLA
05:15.39 pra5ad iirc it allowed us to create components and tie em together; building blocks
05:15.45 pra5ad and simulate it that way
05:16.12 pra5ad and i do believe it cost around the order of $200
05:16.35 pra5ad (project budget was somewhere around that)
05:16.39 Maloeran Interesting. What software would you recommend for an initiation into the path that would lead to efficient ray-tracing hardware many years from now?
05:17.54 Maloeran Most preferabily nix software... :)
05:17.59 Maloeran preferably, even
05:18.07 pra5ad i really shouldnt have any say in this, but id stick with the hardware vendor tools
05:18.12 pra5ad ah.. that i dont know
05:18.23 pra5ad never really did look into nix stuff
05:18.52 pra5ad i believe altera's basic dev kits run about $150-200
05:19.03 pra5ad includes vhdl compilers
05:19.05 pra5ad iirc
05:20.16 Maloeran I see, thanks for the tip
05:22.29 pra5ad ah yea, we used the spartan 3E's
05:24.14 pra5ad ohh interesting
05:24.22 pra5ad logic building tools
05:24.23 pra5ad System Requirements
05:24.23 pra5ad <PROTECTED>
05:24.23 pra5ad <PROTECTED>
05:24.23 pra5ad <PROTECTED>
05:24.29 pra5ad might wanna try that
05:25.05 Maloeran Nice, that seems more convenient
05:25.13 pra5ad http://www.xilinx.com/ise/logic_design_prod/foundation.htm
05:25.20 pra5ad evaluation cd
05:25.24 pra5ad heh full version is 2.5k
05:26.41 Maloeran Ouch. I really want to explore this avenue soon, after I'm done with the software side
05:28.27 pra5ad http://www.xilinx.com/xlnx/xebiz/designResources/ip_product_details.jsp?key=HW-V4-ML455&sGlobalNavPick=PRODUCTS&sSecondaryNavPick=BOARDS
05:28.32 pra5ad pci-x dev kit
05:28.38 pra5ad for virtex-4s
05:28.46 pra5ad 1.2k
05:30.55 pra5ad heh now i want to get a dev kit
05:30.58 Maloeran Eh, I think I can be satisfied with software emulation for the moment, to gain some experience with this strange new world
05:31.44 pra5ad it's really not that hard
05:31.52 pra5ad id say it's easier than asm
05:31.54 pra5ad much easier
05:33.29 pra5ad so i get to learn about this new raytracing algorithm in august eh?
05:34.17 Maloeran I'm afraid it's unlikely that you will learn more than what level of performance it reaches... :)
05:36.55 pra5ad collaboration? =)
05:38.52 Maloeran That might be an option, I'm really unsure of how things will unfold at the moment
05:39.15 pra5ad ah, ok
06:01.33 Twingy damn I'm getting close to producing working g-code
06:16.53 Twingy bed time
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15:41.12 CIA-5 BRL-CAD: 03lbutler * 10brlcad/regress/master_prep.sh:
15:41.12 CIA-5 BRL-CAD: Added --enable-everything to the configure line
15:41.12 CIA-5 BRL-CAD: Printing old and new version numbers for confirmation
15:46.56 docelic hi folks.. any of sourceforge project owners here ?
15:47.20 docelic s/owners/brlcad admins/
15:47.39 docelic haha good :)
15:48.07 ``Erik o.O
15:49.42 docelic I am working on a large project too, and we are thinking of opening a sourceforge project.. but if I remember, brlcad was specially announced on sf.net frontpage, so maybe such a deal could be made with us as well
15:50.04 docelic I'd like to find out the people I could talk to about such possibility
15:53.43 CIA-5 BRL-CAD: 03lbutler * 10brlcad/regress/Makefile.am: Now does all the regression tests even if one fails
15:56.17 ``Erik I don't think anything special was done for that... we had a cvs repo that we wanted imported
15:57.14 ``Erik so brlcad over there *point* talked to them and gave them a tarball of goop, as well as sending a blurb to slashdot... I d'no if he did anything special for sf news, or if they just did it themselves
19:01.51 brlcad docelic: yes
19:02.25 docelic hi brlcad
19:02.55 brlcad sf.net picks up news for their main page at their discretion based on when you post news to your project :)
19:03.55 docelic so you did not make any special arrangements to have it appear there? I might be wrong, but I remember them having the 1:1 picture of your logo on the main site for a week
19:04.17 brlcad really?
19:04.22 brlcad i never knew that
19:05.10 brlcad so yeah.. no special arrangements other than being a high-profile popular newsworthy project ;)
19:06.17 docelic interesting..
19:08.35 brlcad likewise
19:08.54 brlcad i could just be forgetting, but I didn't know about the sf.net news
19:27.20 brlcad time to get out the hose
20:02.48 CIA-5 BRL-CAD: 03bob1961 * 10brlcad/src/tclscripts/archer/Archer.tcl: Set the default button for the preferences dialog.
20:12.21 CIA-5 BRL-CAD: 03lbutler * 10brlcad/regress/master_prep.sh:
20:12.21 CIA-5 BRL-CAD: Fixed bug where master_prep.sh was being run multiple times and
20:12.21 CIA-5 BRL-CAD: alternating between release numbers. Now gets consistent release
20:12.22 CIA-5 BRL-CAD: number from README file

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