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| 14:51.07 | brlcad | pier: direct rendering shouldn't help or hurt, bugs notwithstanding |
| 14:55.09 | pier | :) thanks |
| 15:03.23 | brlcad | there's not an expectation that it will be fixed before this weekend |
| 15:03.38 | digitalfredy | brlcad: hello |
| 15:03.45 | brlcad | hola |
| 15:04.32 | digitalfredy | brlcad: need the names of the autor of overview document |
| 15:05.00 | digitalfredy | and needs they affiliations |
| 15:05.25 | brlcad | that one is more 'open' to debate, it's been rewritten and modified by many |
| 15:05.31 | brlcad | no single author |
| 15:05.57 | digitalfredy | is for put in the docuemt |
| 15:05.58 | brlcad | digitalfredy: use the same names as volume II for starters |
| 15:06.15 | digitalfredy | brlcad: ok |
| 15:06.19 | brlcad | actually, just put Eric for starters |
| 15:06.31 | brlcad | he wrote the majority |
| 15:07.29 | digitalfredy | like see the header made at this moment? |
| 15:08.24 | brlcad | huh? |
| 15:08.53 | digitalfredy | how can send you a file in irc? |
| 15:09.42 | brlcad | mm, can /ctcp it or ftp it to ftp.brlcad.org/incoming |
| 15:10.37 | digitalfredy | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:11.14 | digitalfredy | brlcad: open a priv |
| 15:12.29 | digitalfredy | i now send files in irc usin the GUI (drag and drop) |
| 15:13.44 | brlcad | open a priv? you initiate a send, and I will get a notification and can accept the receive |
| 15:15.48 | brlcad | http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/ircprimer.html#DCC |
| 15:16.02 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.16 | brlcad | er |
| 15:16.19 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:18.15 | digitalfredy | brlcad: say not valid command |
| 15:18.34 | digitalfredy | brlcad: weit |
| 15:19.04 | brlcad | puedes mandarlo por ftp o mandamelo por e-mail |
| 15:19.58 | digitalfredy | brlcad: sen me /msg any |
| 15:22.23 | brlcad | lo hice |
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| 15:24.39 | digitalfredy | brlcad: no te llego el ofrecimiento del archivo? |
| 15:25.21 | brlcad | nope |
| 15:25.34 | brlcad | "DCC no file offered by digitalfredy" |
| 15:25.42 | digitalfredy | brlcad: usemos ftp |
| 15:26.28 | brlcad | ahh.. if you're behind a router, DCC won't work for you |
| 15:26.43 | brlcad | reverse connection has to work on your IP |
| 15:27.03 | digitalfredy | not router |
| 15:27.12 | digitalfredy | i go direct to my ips |
| 15:27.21 | brlcad | you're on dsl.. there's some router there :) |
| 15:27.25 | digitalfredy | no |
| 15:27.29 | brlcad | er, not you.. |
| 15:27.38 | brlcad | that was rogier, just reading the wrong lines :) |
| 15:27.47 | digitalfredy | i have a single 64k rdsi |
| 15:27.47 | brlcad | maybe a firewall |
| 15:27.59 | digitalfredy | rdsi in englis is .. |
| 15:28.32 | digitalfredy | isdn |
| 15:28.44 | digitalfredy | red digital de servicios integrados |
| 15:28.47 | brlcad | ~ping 200.119.94.248 |
| 15:28.49 | ibot | pong 200.119.94.248 |
| 15:29.00 | brlcad | dunno then.. maybe your irc client |
| 15:30.02 | digitalfredy | can to be a problem in my client (gaim) instaling xchat |
| 15:30.19 | brlcad | just sent you a request |
| 15:30.37 | digitalfredy | yes |
| 15:31.09 | brlcad | that worked |
| 15:31.42 | digitalfredy | isntaling xchat 23% |
| 15:31.52 | brlcad | heh |
| 15:33.06 | digitalfredy | 75% |
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| 15:38.59 | digitalfredy_ | brlcad, you recibe the request? |
| 15:40.21 | digitalfredy_ | brlcad, ping |
| 15:43.12 | ``Erik | hehe, sean, http://qdb.us/59744 :) |
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| 16:09.11 | digitalfredy_ | brlcad, ping |
| 16:26.40 | brlcad | pong |
| 16:26.49 | brlcad | digitalfredy_: never recibe the request |
| 16:42.34 | digitalfredy_ | brlcad, recibe the request |
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| 16:44.34 | brlcad | todavia, no (adonde?) |
| 16:44.57 | digitalfredy_ | brlcad, |
| 16:45.44 | digitalfredy_ | brlcad, el xchat dice que est� esperando respuesa |
| 16:45.58 | digitalfredy_ | digitalfredy_: never recibe the request |
| 16:45.58 | digitalfredy_ | --- Ofrece overview.html a brlcad |
| 16:45.58 | digitalfredy_ | <digitalfredy_> brlcad, recibe the request |
| 16:45.58 | digitalfredy_ | --> pier (n=pier@151.56.213.160) ha entrado en #brlcad |
| 16:45.58 | digitalfredy_ | <brlcad> todavia, no (adonde?) |
| 16:45.59 | digitalfredy_ | <digitalfredy_> brlcad, |
| 16:46.01 | digitalfredy_ | --- Ofrece overview.html a brlcad |
| 16:46.03 | digitalfredy_ | --- DCC SEND overview.html para brlcad agot� el tiempo de espera - abortando. |
| 16:46.05 | digitalfredy_ | <digitalfredy_> brlcad, el xchat dice que est� esperando respuesa |
| 16:47.19 | brlcad | yep, never get the request here, which means it's being filtered somewhere .. it's a known problem for people behind NAT and/or firewalls, not sure what the problem is in this case since you say you're not |
| 16:50.19 | digitalfredy_ | brlcad, what is the begin year for the copyrigth in the doc? |
| 16:50.59 | brlcad | you're creating a substantial derivative work by translating to docbook, so this year |
| 16:51.44 | brlcad | before going open source, the documents actually hold no copyright claim |
| 16:54.37 | digitalfredy_ | but if the documet is gpl yes have copyright |
| 16:55.17 | digitalfredy_ | when are much pepole you see |
| 16:55.32 | brlcad | right |
| 16:55.39 | digitalfredy_ | (c) year principal autor and others |
| 16:55.50 | brlcad | that's what i mean about you creating a derivative work |
| 16:56.02 | brlcad | we do something similar for the source code |
| 16:56.49 | brlcad | the entire package presently has implicit copyright assignment to "U.S. Goverment" for direct contributions |
| 16:57.13 | brlcad | you could use that, or retain copyright of your own (since you're creating the derivative work) |
| 16:57.34 | brlcad | the 'original' authors cannot claim copyright at this point, they can only claim authorship |
| 16:57.59 | brlcad | as they were all u.s. government funded, public domain work |
| 16:58.08 | digitalfredy_ | put (c) U.S. Goverment and others ? |
| 16:58.23 | digitalfredy_ | haaa public domain is other history |
| 16:59.14 | digitalfredy_ | when y get the doc this is in public domain? |
| 16:59.34 | digitalfredy_ | if yes i can put a legal notice |
| 17:01.28 | brlcad | we can talk more about it in a little bit, I have to run out for a little while |
| 17:01.33 | brlcad | be back in an hour or so |
| 17:01.57 | digitalfredy_ | brlcad, ok |
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| 21:07.08 | digitalfredy | brlcad, ping |
| 21:08.17 | brlcad | pong |
| 21:08.38 | digitalfredy | hello |
| 21:09.29 | digitalfredy | i think to is best speak in spanis about the copyrigt in the documets |
| 21:09.55 | digitalfredy | is for can understand well |
| 21:11.12 | digitalfredy | brlcad, fine? |
| 21:12.31 | brlcad | no estoy seguro que lo puedo escribir tan bueno en espanol, pero lo tratare |
| 21:12.46 | digitalfredy | bueno |
| 21:13.26 | digitalfredy | me dices que los documentos tienen doble licencia |
| 21:15.34 | digitalfredy | cuales son las dos licencias? |
| 21:16.31 | digitalfredy | brlcad, can understand well? |
| 21:19.38 | digitalfredy | brlcad, ping |
| 21:21.06 | brlcad | GFDL o GPL |
| 21:21.18 | digitalfredy | ok |
| 21:21.36 | brlcad | y si, los dos necesitan copyright (como se dice copyright?) |
| 21:21.37 | digitalfredy | gfdl whitout ivarian sections |
| 21:21.46 | digitalfredy | asi |
| 21:21.51 | brlcad | heh |
| 21:21.52 | brlcad | ok |
| 21:22.30 | digitalfredy | befor the doc arent free |
| 21:22.49 | digitalfredy | but in the moment of chache always are questions |
| 21:23.24 | digitalfredy | yo sugiero esto |
| 21:23.47 | digitalfredy | en cada documeto colocamos el copyright asi: |
| 21:25.08 | digitalfredy | (c) year_of_firt_publication - year_of_change_to_opensource Army Research Laboratory |
| 21:26.20 | brlcad | depende en el documento |
| 21:26.37 | digitalfredy | explicame |
| 21:27.15 | brlcad | podemos hacerlo asi con el source code |
| 21:27.39 | brlcad | copyright was obtained on the entire body, and assigned to the government |
| 21:28.01 | brlcad | pero con los documentos, es un poco m?s complicado |
| 21:30.22 | digitalfredy | que lo hace m�s complicado, politicas del govierno |
| 21:30.27 | digitalfredy | ? |
| 21:30.28 | brlcad | con los documentos, solo puedes obtener el copyright si hagas una modificaccion significante |
| 21:31.05 | brlcad | yo pienso que una conversion a docbook cualifica |
| 21:31.20 | brlcad | heh, damn italian slipping in |
| 21:31.44 | digitalfredy | what? |
| 21:33.29 | brlcad | los volumes I II III IV, etc como estan publicados son public domain (no tienen copyright) |
| 21:34.01 | brlcad | tu puedes venderlos asi mismo si quierias, o cambiarlos como te da la gana |
| 21:34.33 | brlcad | si hagas una modificaccion grande, tu puedes obtener un copyright a tu version |
| 21:35.03 | brlcad | con ese copyright, lo puedes hacer un "copyright assignment" a quien quieres |
| 21:35.17 | brlcad | por ejemplo, al U.S. Government |
| 21:36.02 | brlcad | el COPYING archivo en BRL-CAD manda que si lo vas a dar un cambio al proyecto que hagas el copyright assignment |
| 21:36.48 | brlcad | con el copyright, se puede usar el GPL/GFDL/Creative Commons, etc |
| 21:38.03 | digitalfredy | bueno ya tengo claro lo del copyright |
| 21:38.55 | digitalfredy | yo respeto mucho las obras de los otros |
| 21:39.02 | brlcad | tambien podemos mantener los documentos en el public domain |
| 21:39.28 | digitalfredy | brlcad, si ya tengo eso claro como el agua |
| 21:39.31 | brlcad | para mi, lo importante es que tenemos una version en docbook :) |
| 21:40.02 | digitalfredy | y deseo que en mi versi�n en docbook citar los autores |
| 21:40.23 | brlcad | si, por supuesto |
| 21:40.30 | digitalfredy | en los vol III y IV estan escritos |
| 21:40.36 | brlcad | tambien tu contribuccion a convertirlo a docbook |
| 21:40.41 | digitalfredy | ok |
| 21:40.57 | digitalfredy | y dice las empresas y cargos |
| 21:41.29 | brlcad | los autores no cambian.. ser autor o no no significa copyright (porque empezo sin copyright) |
| 21:41.40 | digitalfredy | si |
| 21:42.52 | digitalfredy | tienes el .doc del overview con los nombres de los autores? |
| 21:42.57 | brlcad | i like to give credit to any contribution whenever possible for the work that is provided, and preserve that contribution |
| 21:43.10 | brlcad | quiza.. |
| 21:43.13 | brlcad | i'll look |
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