00:04.24 |
``Erik |
... |
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10:02.26 |
chinamill |
is there any nice support of making toolpaths
and export to g-code with brlcad? |
13:10.53 |
``Erik |
I don't believe so... one of the developers
was working on a seperate tool called "gcam" to generate
gcode... |
13:12.30 |
``Erik |
http://gcam.js.cx/ |
13:47.58 |
chinamill |
Thanks for the tip Erik! |
15:18.03 |
brlcad |
chinamill: i can corroborate that as well..
there's not a means to directly export g-code with brl-cad right
now, would be cool if someone added the support but it's not a
trivial task and not high on the priority list atm |
15:18.54 |
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15:19.07 |
brlcad |
hello cradek |
15:19.11 |
cradek |
hi all |
15:20.00 |
cradek |
I'm a newbie to brlcad, and sorry if everyone
says this, but I'm having problems compiling it, is there
documentation other than http://brlcad.org/build_CVS.html
I should be looking at? |
15:20.25 |
brlcad |
cradek: definitely -- see the INSTALL file for
more comprehensive install instructions |
15:20.25 |
cradek |
(I get an autoheader failure from autogen.sh
in step 2) |
15:20.48 |
brlcad |
there may also be a doc/README.[some_platform]
file for your system with some details too |
15:21.06 |
brlcad |
autoheader failure.. wow |
15:21.27 |
brlcad |
run ./autogen.sh --verbose |
15:21.49 |
cradek |
running, I'll put the output on
pastebin |
15:24.01 |
cradek |
http://pastebin.dyndns.org/305 |
15:24.03 |
brlcad |
for what it's worth, autogen.sh failure
generally just means there's something wrong with your installed
build tools (like an insufficient version of something in the GNU
build system) |
15:24.22 |
cradek |
I am a longtime unix developer but have little
experience with auto tools |
15:24.26 |
brlcad |
strictly speaking, if you're working from a
source distribution (non-cvs), then you shouldn't need to run
autogen.sh |
15:24.51 |
brlcad |
i.e. if you have a big ass configure file in
the top level, then you probably don't need to run
autogen.sh |
15:25.09 |
brlcad |
autogen.sh is only required if you've checked
out from cvs or really just want to fully "start fresh" |
15:25.15 |
cradek |
ok, I am using cvs so far, if this isn't easy
to fix I'll use a source distribution |
15:25.33 |
chinamill |
there is no rpm:s or similar? |
15:26.04 |
brlcad |
ahh.. configure.ac:1: error: possibly
undefined macro: dnl |
15:27.05 |
brlcad |
that means autoconf install is somehow hosed
or exceptionally old or running in 2.13 mode |
15:27.28 |
cradek |
Checking autoconf version: autoconf
--version |
15:27.28 |
cradek |
Found GNU Autoconf version 2.59 |
15:28.00 |
brlcad |
this wouldn't happen to be debian sarge would
it? |
15:28.07 |
cradek |
ubuntu 5.10 breezy |
15:28.14 |
cradek |
so ... sort of |
15:28.32 |
brlcad |
debian used to have a very broken autoconf
wrapper script |
15:28.50 |
brlcad |
if you ran it directly, it would report the
right version, then proceed to invoke the 2.13 autoconf |
15:29.19 |
brlcad |
that's sort of what seems like is going on
here too |
15:29.54 |
brlcad |
another possibility is that you're simply
missing the .m4 files for autoconf |
15:30.18 |
cradek |
I'll remove the autoconf2.13 package and hope
for the best then |
15:30.28 |
brlcad |
if you have any other system that you can run
autogen.sh on, that would also work -- it doesn't have to be run on
the same machine, it can be run on any machine |
15:31.49 |
brlcad |
have to run out for a bit, bbl if you still
have more issues autogen.sh'ing |
15:32.14 |
cradek |
no change when I remove autoconf2.13 |
15:32.45 |
brlcad |
then it must be some other misconfiguration
(like the misplaced/uninstalled m4 files) |
15:33.23 |
brlcad |
someone in #ubuntu might have an idea as it
used to be incredibly frequent when sarge was popular |
15:33.36 |
cradek |
ok thank you |
15:33.40 |
brlcad |
np |
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15:40.45 |
chinamill |
``Erik: do you have a emailadress for the gcam
person? |
15:50.46 |
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15:51.00 |
fenn |
yum yum |
15:51.07 |
fenn |
so whats all this about gcam? |
15:51.37 |
fenn |
is it one of the brlcad developers? |
15:54.06 |
chinamill |
``Erik said so |
16:14.56 |
``Erik |
phark, whud ah miss? |
16:15.12 |
``Erik |
the url doesn't have an email addy? |
16:16.07 |
fenn |
theres no contact info or anything substantial
on the web page at all |
16:19.08 |
``Erik |
huh |
16:22.25 |
``Erik |
I sent him an aim msg, *shrug* he might not
want to be bugged about it, or he might be interested in soliciting
ideas and/or effort... but I wanna verify with him before doin'
anything, ok? |
16:22.50 |
Twingy |
hey |
16:23.28 |
chinamill |
``Erik: he is more than welcome to join
#emc |
16:23.37 |
fenn |
it just seems weird to put up a webpage about
an open source project and have no source code or download
available |
16:23.59 |
Twingy |
it says it'll be avail in aug |
16:26.16 |
``Erik |
heh |
16:26.43 |
``Erik |
:) |
16:28.06 |
``Erik |
twingy, you dont' have any wintergreen oil, do
you? |
16:29.17 |
Twingy |
no |
16:29.41 |
Twingy |
got some WD40 though |
16:30.03 |
``Erik |
tried it, bolts won't budge |
16:30.18 |
Twingy |
use a can of coke? |
16:30.40 |
``Erik |
haven't tried that yet... supposedly
wintergreen is the best, and vinegar is really good, with coke
being somewhere below vinegar |
16:30.47 |
Twingy |
if you can figure out a way to let them soak
in a pan for 30 minutes |
16:31.04 |
Twingy |
duct tape it, whatever |
16:31.14 |
``Erik |
so I'm thinking about taking a cup of vinegar
out with a brush, or mebbe rubber banding a soaked paper
towel |
16:31.24 |
fenn |
turpentine |
16:31.32 |
fenn |
kroil is stupposed to be the best |
16:31.57 |
Twingy |
what are you guys planning to use gcam
for? |
16:32.14 |
fenn |
making parts :) |
16:32.20 |
``Erik |
and my dad was a jet mechanic for 20 yrs and a
car mechanic before that, so I kinda trust him when he says
wintergreen is the hshizzle forrizle |
16:32.35 |
``Erik |
parts for what? :) |
16:33.13 |
fenn |
well, a cnc machine, some hydraulic valves for
a robot, turbine engine parts, foam cores for composite
layup |
16:33.20 |
fenn |
and on and on and on |
16:33.47 |
``Erik |
hobbyist? or work? (if you dont' mind my
asking) |
16:34.01 |
fenn |
i'm self employed but i dont make any money..
how's that |
16:34.19 |
``Erik |
ah, heh... "interested student" ;)
*duck* |
16:34.46 |
fenn |
though honestly gcam is not doing things the
way i would have done them |
16:34.59 |
``Erik |
huh, mind if I ask? |
16:35.36 |
fenn |
well the heart of a cam system is the toolpath
planning algorithms |
16:36.04 |
fenn |
he seems to be starting off with basic stuff
like 3d rendering |
16:36.28 |
``Erik |
hm, 3d rendering, or basic object
description? |
16:36.56 |
``Erik |
<-- kinda thinks that tool path is one of
those problems that the machine can solve and optimize, just tell
it what shape you want to have and let it figure the way to make
it... |
16:38.09 |
fenn |
i just think it would be smarter to use an
already existing library for the 3d data structures and
math |
16:38.52 |
fenn |
that's why i was asking all these questions
about brlcad's libbn and such |
16:40.02 |
``Erik |
math is well understood and reasonably easy to
implement, tho... I mean, you can slap together solid vector and
matrix functions in half a day of mindless work, so why induce a
dependancy? |
16:40.12 |
fenn |
lol |
16:40.21 |
``Erik |
<-- very much likes the idea of libraries,
btw, is playing devils advocate |
16:41.27 |
fenn |
is there any interest in STEP import for
brlcad? |
16:41.56 |
``Erik |
in a decent operating system with a decent
software install concept, dependancies are a non-issue... on fbsd,
just type "make install" and it does it's think... :) I wouldn't
mind seeing tcl and tk and itcl/itk, libpng, libz, etc ripped out
of the brlcad distro... |
16:42.07 |
``Erik |
what's "step"? I'm quite ignyant on these
things, btw... |
16:42.23 |
fenn |
the file format to end all file
formats |
16:42.29 |
``Erik |
my major contribution so far has been redoing
the build system, I don't have the foggiest clue how to model shit
:) |
16:42.46 |
``Erik |
that sounds... slightly biased. |
16:42.56 |
fenn |
for cad systems, it's sorta XML and is
extendable to cover all aspects of cad/cae/cam |
16:43.23 |
``Erik |
although I'm quite sure if someone were to
provide the g-step and step-g program patch... it would be
appreciated :) |
16:43.33 |
SWPadnos |
fenn, have you actually seen a STEP file spec?
(I thought you had to pay, like ISO standards) |
16:43.59 |
fenn |
SWPadnos: there is a free "express schema"
which is the basic xml description |
16:44.05 |
SWPadnos |
ah, OK |
16:44.08 |
fenn |
and also you can get preliminary standards for
free |
16:44.18 |
fenn |
i havent actually sat down and looked at
either of them |
16:45.05 |
fenn |
there is a nist project to convert express to
xml |
16:45.35 |
``Erik |
interoperability is generally a good thing
*shrug* if you wanna code, go to it, and we'll even help ya some by
answering questions when we can... if what you produce isn't shit,
it may get accepted into the project... :) |
16:45.48 |
fenn |
heh thanks |
16:46.02 |
fenn |
i'm pretty new to XML and 3d programming in
general |
16:49.14 |
``Erik |
ok, if you have questions that you can't find
through basic research, let us know, but dont' be offended if we
tell you to go read manual XYZ :) |
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16:58.16 |
``Erik |
(ohyeah, and if you do ask a question, be
patient... it could be over 24 hours before you get a response...
but some of us DO read all the backlog) |
17:00.16 |
fenn |
are there logs of #brlcad anywhere? |
20:01.36 |
brlcad |
Twingy: you see that bike? |
20:03.16 |
brlcad |
fenn: yes, there is considerable interest in
STEP import -- there was work that started on a step library about
a year ago, but the lead guy pushing the effort
disappeared |
20:04.00 |
brlcad |
fenn: for what it's worth, we also have copies
of the STEP standard that we can use for anything specifically
related to BRL-CAD |
20:04.16 |
brlcad |
(AP203, AP214, and a few others) |
20:04.38 |
brlcad |
~logs |
20:04.39 |
ibot |
apt/ibot/jbot/purl all log to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/
where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start
with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz,
or updated "nightly" |
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20:19.08 |
brlcad |
howdy dan |
20:19.52 |
brlcad |
seems as though much of #emc woke up today and
decided to go on a field trip .. |
20:21.02 |
dan_falck |
hi brlcad |
20:21.08 |
dan_falck |
yes we did |
20:21.26 |
dan_falck |
we are interested in gcam, which we think is
related to brlcad |
20:21.48 |
dan_falck |
fenn and SWPadnos probably are very
interested |
20:21.55 |
dan_falck |
cradek too |
20:22.14 |
dan_falck |
Twingy, is gcam your program? |
20:22.23 |
brlcad |
not really related to brl-cad other than it's
Twingy's project and he's somewhat related to brl-cad ;) |
20:22.34 |
dan_falck |
ok |
20:22.44 |
dan_falck |
fenn, did you get that? |
20:22.49 |
brlcad |
i.e. it shares no code or functionality,
doesn't link to any of brl-cad's libs last I looked unless he
changed something :) |
20:23.29 |
dan_falck |
how are you doing these days? |
20:23.37 |
brlcad |
pretty well, keeping busy |
20:23.59 |
dan_falck |
same here. Taking a short break from building
a deck |
20:24.13 |
brlcad |
the blasted windows port took up an enormous
amount of time, just starting to get back into more useful
development |
20:24.31 |
dan_falck |
we still don't use windows at the shop where I
work |
20:24.35 |
dan_falck |
OS X |
20:24.39 |
dan_falck |
and linux |
20:24.44 |
brlcad |
likewise |
20:24.59 |
brlcad |
cept for the desk junkies, analysts |
20:25.13 |
dan_falck |
makes it hard to find a CAM program, hence the
intense interest in anythin cam related |
20:25.15 |
brlcad |
but not the modelers, developers, and other
tech |
20:25.37 |
dan_falck |
the owner of our company said that we would
NEVER use windows |
20:25.42 |
dan_falck |
and so far so good |
20:25.46 |
brlcad |
yeah, i was talking to him about making his
g-code thing a more general purpose library so that I could hook
into it in brl-cad |
20:25.53 |
dan_falck |
cool |
20:26.21 |
brlcad |
well, it would be cool -- depends how much
interest gcam in general gets will probably determine if he
does |
20:26.51 |
fenn |
sorry i was ignoring irc due to a troll on
another channel |
20:26.58 |
brlcad |
yay, trolls |
20:27.06 |
dan_falck |
probably about 20 people from #emc would be
interested |
20:27.20 |
brlcad |
how many of those 20 are users and how many
are devs? :) |
20:27.24 |
fenn |
ooo yes i wouldnt mind getting my hands on the
"real" standard |
20:27.38 |
fenn |
i've been drowning in complicated standard
draft documents all day long |
20:27.48 |
brlcad |
fenn: heh, you and half the industry |
20:27.58 |
fenn |
its only like $60 isnt it? |
20:28.07 |
brlcad |
those damn standards are rather expensive for
just about any non-commercial use |
20:28.14 |
dan_falck |
fenn could probably tell you how many are
developers in the EMC group |
20:28.32 |
fenn |
there are really only like 5 or 6 active
developers |
20:28.59 |
fenn |
everyone's in the same boat though |
20:29.13 |
brlcad |
fenn: i forget the details, but the 5 or 6 APs
of STEP that I have were somewhere in the 1-2k range, iso lists the
costs iirc |
20:30.00 |
brlcad |
which is one part how it's cool that we at
least have them to go on, makes it a heck of a lot easier to make
an open source library out of them in a manner that anyone could
then use |
20:30.13 |
brlcad |
without needing to buy their own
copy |
20:30.42 |
fenn |
oh wow |
20:30.56 |
dan_falck |
fenn: so now we know that gcam is Twingy's
program. |
20:31.19 |
fenn |
ap203 and ap214 are the ones i was interested
in |
20:31.25 |
fenn |
and step-nc whatever that is |
20:31.36 |
fenn |
looking at the file format it doesnt seem too
complicated really |
20:31.40 |
brlcad |
to get the COMPLETE iso spec for STEP, it's
roughly in the 10-15k range and would fill at least one 20' library
shelf if printed |
20:31.50 |
fenn |
its all the buzzwordage that is hard to dig
through |
20:32.09 |
brlcad |
203 and 214 are by far the most interesting,
though little ones like 11 and 21 become handy when writing a
parser |
20:32.53 |
fenn |
i would like to make a portable library that
could be used in more than just brlcad |
20:33.34 |
brlcad |
it's a shame that the dev that was working on
it ran off, he was making good progress |
20:34.26 |
brlcad |
had taken over the nist parser, updated to the
latest step spec, got it working more cross-platform, got it
parsing some example step files |
20:34.52 |
fenn |
it wasnt terry hancock was it? |
20:34.56 |
brlcad |
all pretty low level still, no hook
functionality |
20:35.15 |
fenn |
i've been reading this over and over, trying
to psych myself up:
http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/free_matter_economy_4?page=0%2C2 |
20:35.41 |
brlcad |
heh, it was a terry |
20:35.46 |
fenn |
awesome |
20:35.53 |
brlcad |
but afaik, his last name wasn't
hancock |
20:36.07 |
brlcad |
ridder according to sf project
account |
20:36.11 |
fenn |
oh |
20:36.29 |
fenn |
he wrote a bunch of stuff about a "gnu
cad/cam" a long time ago |
20:37.10 |
brlcad |
vaguely remember |
20:37.29 |
brlcad |
i've read some other stuff from hancock,
mostly good ideas but definitely not ridder |
20:37.32 |
fenn |
oh man sourceforge is so pathetic |
20:38.10 |
brlcad |
ridder is a rather bitter guy that doesn't
like object oriented designs in general, so somehow I doubt he'd be
pushing for a python layer that converts step to xml :) |
20:39.12 |
brlcad |
he seemed to like lower level libraries,
straightforward simple C apis |
20:39.36 |
fenn |
i actually dont know which is more appropriate
for a file format library |
20:40.22 |
brlcad |
i like and agree with most of hancock's ideas,
though there's a reason step wasn't done in xml (and it's not
because it predated xml or anything) |
20:40.43 |
fenn |
why is that, do you know? |
20:40.49 |
brlcad |
the spirit of that article I like, though a
lot of the technical detail is less than appealing |
20:41.16 |
fenn |
making a new language to describe a file
format seems kinda overboard |
20:41.25 |
fenn |
or maybe i'm missing something |
20:41.44 |
brlcad |
several reasons it wasn't but probably the
most significant one that comes to mind is that step is effectively
meant to be the combination of every CAD/CAM/CADD vendor's
needs |
20:42.18 |
fenn |
and xml isnt complex enough? :) |
20:42.35 |
brlcad |
and for a huge subset of those area domains,
encoding their data into xml is a non-starter due to utter
information explosion (about two orders of magnitude) |
20:42.47 |
brlcad |
express is pretty complicated in
itself |
20:42.57 |
brlcad |
but it's somewhat more condensed than
xml |
20:42.59 |
fenn |
i thought the schema was just a description of
the file format |
20:43.36 |
fenn |
is there like "introduction to the STEP
thingy" document somewhere |
20:43.48 |
brlcad |
yeah, there's an AP for it that you can buy
:) |
20:44.12 |
brlcad |
there's minimal good on-line resources on
step |
20:44.30 |
brlcad |
a few industry articles give an intro on it,
should be easily found with a search |
20:44.36 |
fenn |
i've skimmed through 23 out of 1600
folders.. |
20:44.50 |
fenn |
i read some modern machine shop
articles |
20:45.17 |
fenn |
in fact i dont even care why they did
it |
20:45.19 |
brlcad |
helps if you toss in the numerical standard
id |
20:45.23 |
brlcad |
i.e. iso 10303 |
20:45.35 |
fenn |
yeah those 1600 are all about 10303 |
20:45.56 |
fenn |
http://www.tc184-sc4.org/SC4_Open/SC4_Work_Products_Documents/STEP_(10303)/ |
20:46.18 |
brlcad |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_10303 |
20:47.34 |
brlcad |
ug, sc4 is an iso parrot, that's article's
about as well written as the step APs themselves |
20:48.21 |
brlcad |
this one isn't too bad: http://www.mel.nist.gov/msidlibrary/doc/jcise1.pdf |
20:49.30 |
brlcad |
nist has a load of useful information, they
dumped a lot of time and resources into step about a decade ago
that they have given to the community since |
20:49.38 |
fenn |
hm - the development of step is one of the
largest efforts ever undertaken by ISO |
20:49.49 |
brlcad |
i'd believe that |
20:50.44 |
brlcad |
the standard really is utterly enormous and
complex as it covers just about every single aspect of dealing with
a "product" |
20:50.57 |
fenn |
i've noticed :) |
20:51.02 |
brlcad |
from designing it to creating it to selling
and distributing or analysing it, etc |
20:51.31 |
brlcad |
not just the computer geometric
representation, that's just one small part of it |
20:51.48 |
brlcad |
(hence the 203 and 214.. there really are
hundreds of protocols) |
20:54.59 |
fenn |
sometimes i think they must be joking with
some of these flowcharts |
20:56.36 |
brlcad |
sadly, they usually are not |
20:57.54 |
brlcad |
since it's almost entirely industry driven,
"most" presentations and write-ups aren't meant to be "easy" or
"clear" -- they're worked on by people that are paid to do so and
often the more verbose or the more obscure, the better they're
doing their job ;) |
20:58.19 |
fenn |
well it makes me laugh regardless |
20:58.30 |
fenn |
maybe i'll feel differently once i get my
hands dirty |
20:58.50 |
brlcad |
just seeing the iso spec makes me cry
sometimes |
20:59.12 |
brlcad |
reading it makes baby seals die I
think |
20:59.43 |
fenn |
do you notice signs of rectal bleeding after a
protracted coding session :) |
21:00.15 |
brlcad |
hehe |
21:26.41 |
Twingy |
yea I saw the bike |
21:26.51 |
Twingy |
it'll be a while before its out
though |
21:27.24 |
Twingy |
and unless they are using non-standard
materials for the proton exchange membrane then it's likely to cost
$10k or so |
21:27.46 |
Twingy |
and all that will get you is about
1HP |
21:36.24 |
brlcad |
that's odd.. it's supposed to be shipping
already |
21:36.42 |
Twingy |
that would be company suicide |
21:36.56 |
Twingy |
they are looking for manuf partners |
21:37.09 |
brlcad |
it was in a best new product of the year
list |
21:37.11 |
Twingy |
and like I said, unless they can figure out
how to get rid of the platinum and graphite manuf
process... |
21:37.23 |
Twingy |
it's a great product, just not practical from
an economic stand point |
21:37.38 |
brlcad |
i'd get one even at 10k |
21:37.52 |
Twingy |
I would to if I had the money |
21:37.56 |
Twingy |
*too |
21:37.58 |
brlcad |
unless it was unusable on the interstate, but
it didn't seem like that was the case |
21:38.20 |
Twingy |
wait a few years, a substitute catalyst will
be researched |
21:38.31 |
Twingy |
I bet you that bike doesn't exceed
30mph |
21:38.33 |
brlcad |
you'll have it all sorted out by then?
:) |
21:38.41 |
Twingy |
me? no, some university |
21:38.45 |
brlcad |
heh |
21:39.02 |
Twingy |
to give you an idea |
21:39.06 |
Twingy |
fuelcellstore.com |
21:39.12 |
Twingy |
look at the prices of those fuel cell
stacks |
21:39.18 |
Twingy |
that store skims about 10% off the
top |
21:39.50 |
Twingy |
1 HP on that will get you 25 - 30mph
(~750W) |
21:40.00 |
Twingy |
look how much a 750W fuel cell costs |
21:40.28 |
Twingy |
now factor in the cost of the bike and
shipping |
21:41.07 |
Twingy |
figure you have some group in china building
those for $5/hr |
21:41.28 |
Twingy |
best case scenario you're at $10k in a mass
production |
21:41.45 |
brlcad |
most bikes are 10-30k |
21:42.05 |
brlcad |
so for something "high end" niche like this, I
wouldn't be surprised if it were 30-50k |
21:42.08 |
Twingy |
you can get many gas crotch rocket bikes for
$5-$6k |
21:42.15 |
Twingy |
and they do 100mph, not 25 - 30 mph |
21:42.15 |
brlcad |
not new |
21:42.19 |
Twingy |
yes new |
21:42.28 |
Twingy |
I almost bought a suzuki |
21:42.34 |
Twingy |
I'll pull up the url if you like |
21:42.38 |
brlcad |
nah |
21:42.39 |
Twingy |
I actually sat on it |
21:42.44 |
Twingy |
went to bel air to check it out |
21:42.48 |
brlcad |
for 6k? |
21:42.51 |
Twingy |
right next to the mexican place |
21:42.54 |
Twingy |
$5,995 |
21:42.58 |
brlcad |
that's crazy.. how many cycles? |
21:42.59 |
Twingy |
yellow and blue |
21:43.16 |
Twingy |
they have about 50 in that shop |
21:43.33 |
Twingy |
gets ~50mpg |
21:44.09 |
Twingy |
the #1 problem with fuel cells right now is
the catalyst, platinum is just too expensive |
21:44.50 |
Twingy |
I am 100% confident fuel cells will take off,
but they need to be re-engineered slightly |
21:45.06 |
Twingy |
they are 2 - 4x more energy dense than lithium
polymer batteries |
21:45.17 |
Twingy |
1800psi - 3200psi respectively |
21:46.09 |
Twingy |
and that's at 50% efficiency
(standard) |
21:47.10 |
Twingy |
btw, investing in platinum over the next few
years is not a bad idea |
21:56.52 |
Twingy |
time for my run, bbl |
23:00.54 |
Twingy |
back |
23:19.04 |
dan_falck |
Twingy: is gcam yours? |
23:20.49 |
Twingy |
yes |
23:21.46 |
dan_falck |
there are a few of us from the #emc channel
interested in it |
23:22.02 |
Twingy |
great |
23:22.12 |
dan_falck |
so august release then? |
23:22.13 |
Twingy |
I use it on my taig cnc |
23:22.39 |
dan_falck |
cool |
23:22.50 |
Twingy |
yea, some time in aug, I'll be doing alot of
traveling in the next month, AZ, IL, MA, NJ |
23:23.05 |
Twingy |
6 weeks actually |
23:23.31 |
dan_falck |
would you be game for a few us playing with it
before then? |
23:23.57 |
Twingy |
I can't guarantee it compiles on anything
other than freebsd right now |
23:24.17 |
dan_falck |
that's ok. we're used to the
challenge |
23:24.23 |
Twingy |
it requires gtk+, opengl,
automake/conf |
23:24.32 |
dan_falck |
ok |
23:24.48 |
Twingy |
k, poke me tonight, I've been working through
a todo list all day on it |
23:24.58 |
dan_falck |
ok thanks |
23:25.15 |
Twingy |
I'll give you the 5 minute break down on what
it is and what it is not |
23:25.19 |
dan_falck |
fenn will be happy too ;) |
23:25.22 |
dan_falck |
ok |
23:25.46 |
Twingy |
don't expect it to rival mastercam or
anything, ttyl |
23:25.57 |
dan_falck |
that's ok |
23:27.41 |
dan_falck |
I need to go out and work on the deck.
bbl |