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Twingy |
new pc bbl |
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IriX64 |
bbiab |
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IriX64 |
back |
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06:17.34 |
varsendaggr |
hey anyone here? |
06:20.16 |
varsendaggr |
anyone get this running on a debian ? ie
ubuntu? |
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brlcad |
varsendaggr: any particular question, or just
taking census? |
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14:34.42 |
varsendaggr |
brlcad, nah i just was wondering if there
getting brlcad running on a debian machine is easy. i tried a
while back and i had a hard time of it, however i now know more
about everythign |
14:42.01 |
varsendaggr |
wow brlcad is 42 mb |
14:42.47 |
cradek |
I had trouble with autoconf on breezy but it
worked fine on dapper |
14:42.58 |
cradek |
compiling cvs head of a couple days
ago |
14:43.33 |
cradek |
I guess if you use a source release (which I
never found) it avoids the autoconf problems because the configure
script is already generated |
14:44.51 |
brlcad |
cradek: you didn't find the source release??
:) |
14:45.27 |
brlcad |
varsendaggr: it should be fairly turn-key,
though I rarely get a debian box to test on so minor issues might
pop up |
14:46.02 |
varsendaggr |
ohhh |
14:46.04 |
brlcad |
if gbs tools are all installed correctly, it
should be a matter of ./autogen.sh && ./configure
--enable-everything --enable-optimized && make |
14:46.25 |
cradek |
hmm I found brlcad.org, which talks about
cvs |
14:46.27 |
brlcad |
then of course sudo make install or what have
you to install |
14:46.32 |
cradek |
brlcad.com has releases for download |
14:46.43 |
cradek |
that's odd |
14:46.48 |
brlcad |
cradek: follow the first link on
brlcad.org |
14:46.55 |
varsendaggr |
great |
14:47.00 |
varsendaggr |
the file is huge |
14:47.14 |
brlcad |
not so huge for a CAD system.. ;) |
14:48.09 |
cradek |
brlcad: ok, duh |
14:49.01 |
cradek |
brlcad: on brlcad.org, none of the links
jumped out at me as "how to get it" except for #6 |
14:49.20 |
brlcad |
yeah the site really sucks.. |
14:49.33 |
brlcad |
it's high on the todo list to make the site
suck less |
14:49.44 |
cradek |
well I didn't exactly say that |
14:49.58 |
cradek |
on brlcad.com I went right to
"downloads" |
14:50.38 |
cradek |
(I don't understand why there are two
completely different sites) |
14:52.02 |
``Erik |
heh |
14:52.42 |
``Erik |
brlcad.org is owned and operated by the
developers, brlcad.com is owned and operated by a company that
makes money selling documentation and training for the
software... |
14:52.43 |
``Erik |
:) |
14:53.03 |
cradek |
ok, that explains it |
14:54.19 |
``Erik |
brlcad, maybe we should put a "Get it"! link
around the "project site" and "images&screenies" links that go
to the sf files page? |
14:54.52 |
``Erik |
or put a note with thte project site
link? |
14:54.58 |
cradek |
if that had been there, I would have built a
release, not cvs head - which is probably what you want newbies
like me to do |
14:55.35 |
``Erik |
cradek: did you look at the cvs tags before
co'ing head? |
14:55.41 |
cradek |
no |
14:55.58 |
``Erik |
:) |
14:56.01 |
cradek |
http://brlcad.org/build_CVS.html |
14:56.07 |
cradek |
I followed the instructions... |
14:56.52 |
brlcad |
those should work too |
14:57.18 |
brlcad |
``Erik: the entire site needs to be redone ..
there's a lot more that just "how to get the source" that needs
'fixing' |
14:57.34 |
cradek |
yes but Ithink ``Erik was imlying I should
have found a tag for the latest release |
14:57.37 |
brlcad |
and by fixing I mean things that involve a
shotgun and the back end of a shed |
14:57.51 |
brlcad |
yeah, you could have used the last release
tag |
14:58.03 |
brlcad |
that would match the source downloads on
sf.net |
14:58.08 |
cradek |
I understand |
14:58.24 |
brlcad |
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=105292
is the "official" distributions |
14:58.30 |
cradek |
I actually thought I was being a "good newbie"
by precisely following the instructions |
14:58.47 |
brlcad |
nothing wrong with the approach you took
:) |
14:59.08 |
brlcad |
it's a debian-caveat that something is borked
with the GBS tools :) |
14:59.19 |
brlcad |
that's outside our domain/control |
14:59.24 |
cradek |
GBS? |
14:59.30 |
brlcad |
GNU Build System |
14:59.36 |
cradek |
oh autoconf stuff |
14:59.39 |
brlcad |
autoconf + automake + libtool + m4
etc |
14:59.46 |
cradek |
sure, sounds like that's not your
problem |
15:00.03 |
brlcad |
got to run.. back in a few |
15:00.12 |
cradek |
probably by getting the right packages
installed it would have worked, but it was easier for me to go to
another machine |
15:13.00 |
cradek |
when I use g-dxf to get 3DFACEs (bag of
triangles) how do I control the tesselation (how many triangles I
get for say, a sphere)? |
15:16.10 |
cradek |
ok I see there are some tolerances in the
manpage |
17:33.45 |
``Erik |
O.o |
17:38.43 |
CIA-2 |
BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/src/librt/
(g_extrude.c g_sketch.c g_xxx.c): we don't use cake anymore
(comment fix) |
17:49.00 |
ValarQ |
ymp? |
17:49.09 |
brlcad |
the cray y-mp comes to mind.. |
17:49.10 |
SWPadnos |
that's a Cray supercomputer, of
course |
17:49.32 |
brlcad |
he uploaded some cross-compiled binaries
labelled as 'ymp' |
17:49.41 |
brlcad |
somehow I doubt they are for a cray |
17:51.44 |
brlcad |
looks like static-compiled windows 32-bit
binaries |
18:03.21 |
SWPadnos |
"Yucky Microsoft Product"? |
18:05.53 |
brlcad |
:) |
18:10.20 |
ValarQ |
SWPadnos: it's shorter just to say "Microsoft
Product" |
18:10.49 |
SWPadnos |
well, I had to use the Y also ;) |
18:12.18 |
ValarQ |
yeah, my point is that it's an unlikely
abbreviation :P |
18:15.32 |
SWPadnos |
indeed |
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19:02.12 |
IriX64 |
./mged |
19:02.27 |
IriX64 |
duh. :( |
19:04.03 |
IriX64 |
low overhead scanline-per-cpu buffering
<--- gotta love it. |
19:06.26 |
IriX64 |
Frame 0: 900434 rays in 101.08 sec =
8908.13 rays/sec (Wallclock) |
19:06.38 |
IriX64 |
raytrace complete. |
19:06.45 |
IriX64 |
sweet. |
19:06.59 |
``Erik |
heh, which one is that? |
19:07.05 |
IriX64 |
havoc |
19:07.39 |
IriX64 |
nice and solid :) |
19:09.00 |
cradek |
Frame 0: 881047 rays in 22.34 sec =
39442.32 rays/sec (wallclock) |
19:09.12 |
IriX64 |
which one? |
19:09.18 |
cradek |
hey I figured out how to render
something |
19:09.21 |
``Erik |
Frame 0: 264415 rays in 1.44 sec =
183412.51 rays/sec (wallclock) |
19:09.24 |
cradek |
havoc |
19:09.25 |
``Erik |
you people have slow computers :( |
19:09.34 |
IriX64 |
heh yeah. |
19:09.57 |
IriX64 |
2.4ghz sucks :) |
19:10.07 |
SWPadnos |
I suppose that depends on scene
complexity |
19:10.18 |
IriX64 |
and background. |
19:10.26 |
``Erik |
the one I just ran on is 1.4ghz... |
19:10.27 |
IriX64 |
colour i mean. |
19:10.47 |
ValarQ |
IriX64: they don't suck when there are 64 of
them in a cluster :P |
19:10.49 |
IriX64 |
yah ``Erik with your 16 cpus :) |
19:10.53 |
``Erik |
12 |
19:10.58 |
IriX64 |
heh |
19:11.05 |
``Erik |
and, actually, I have a 4cpu 2.0ghz one that I
THINK might be a hair faster |
19:11.08 |
``Erik |
but brlcad crashes on it |
19:11.11 |
``Erik |
*grouse* |
19:11.22 |
IriX64 |
snarl eh:) |
19:13.09 |
IriX64 |
why set the cpu's requested to 16? |
19:13.20 |
IriX64 |
in raytrace control panel? |
19:14.04 |
IriX64 |
mine says 16 cpus requested only one available
using 1. |
19:15.09 |
IriX64 |
warning compile time debugging is enabled and
may limit performance.... time for another build then ill race you
again :) bbiab |
19:16.50 |
brlcad |
heh |
19:17.05 |
brlcad |
turning off debugging might get him 100
rays/sec |
19:26.14 |
``Erik |
I've been able to replicate that amd64 seg bug
without the --with-optimization flag... :/ |
19:33.52 |
brlcad |
that's rather uninteresting given there is no
--with-optimization flag ;) |
19:34.13 |
brlcad |
more interesting if you meant
--disable-optimized |
19:35.49 |
CIA-2 |
BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/ (9 files in 3
dirs): follow erik's lead, obliterate the other references to
Cakefiles |
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19:36.06 |
``Erik |
er |
19:36.15 |
``Erik |
yeah, whatever, that knob |
19:36.32 |
``Erik |
it's done via dialog in my latest port, so
*shrug* I d'no :) |
19:38.09 |
brlcad |
can you try and see if it helps to change
from/to pthreads vs some other threading lib? |
19:38.34 |
brlcad |
i can hobble up and show how to disable SMP to
see if it's at least related to parallelism |
19:39.41 |
``Erik |
um, lemme dork with it some |
19:40.11 |
``Erik |
<-- kinda flipping through g_dsp to see how
objects without explicitely known sizes are managed... |
19:44.39 |
``Erik |
does it with both libpthread and
libthr |
19:45.17 |
``Erik |
librt/shoot.c ... stp is null, (and print
*stpp shows 0x0) |
19:45.41 |
``Erik |
this is std view on havoc, btw, and the crash
LOOKS like it happens right as it touches the first glass part of
the canopy |
19:49.38 |
``Erik |
same crash with bu_avail_cpus() replaced with
1 |
19:49.49 |
``Erik |
don't think it's threading, duder |
19:49.59 |
brlcad |
eek, g_dsp is probably not the best
example.. |
19:50.38 |
brlcad |
it probably is the first glass, that would
point towards something related to liboptical |
19:51.06 |
brlcad |
setting bu_avail_cpus() to 1 isn't the same as
disabling SMP outright |
19:51.35 |
brlcad |
it will still acquire locks and spawn threads
with 1 avail cpu |
19:51.45 |
brlcad |
(potentially) |
19:52.03 |
``Erik |
hm *shrug* |
19:52.04 |
brlcad |
PARALLEL in include/machine.h |
19:53.15 |
brlcad |
undefine it and *poof* it should all go
non-smp |
19:53.57 |
brlcad |
s/should/will/ |
19:54.14 |
``Erik |
ghah, that cruft is still there? :/ |
19:54.50 |
brlcad |
haven't absorbed machine.h yet, impacts a ton
of code, particularly ray-trace lib stuff |
19:55.12 |
``Erik |
building... |
19:55.18 |
brlcad |
close to getting rid of the bit shift
first |
19:56.12 |
``Erik |
and a smarter make |
20:03.56 |
``Erik |
same crash |
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20:26.51 |
IriX64 |
almost ready to race you, I need one thing, 6
of your cluster :P |
20:42.42 |
``Erik |
heh, which one? |
20:44.09 |
IriX64 |
geez how many clusters do you guys have
:) |
20:44.22 |
``Erik |
um, look up 'army' at the top500
list |
20:45.12 |
IriX64 |
scuse i thought you guys were engineers... oh
wait, first we dig em then we die in em right. |
20:46.59 |
IriX64 |
nice truck the m35 lets see what she looks
like. |
20:49.42 |
IriX64 |
summat wrong with my system, can't cut and
paste sheesh. |
20:50.36 |
IriX64 |
deauce and a 1/2 without the canopy top
neat. |
20:51.56 |
``Erik |
engineers? O.o |
20:52.07 |
IriX64 |
spell it right :P |
20:52.36 |
``Erik |
that reminds me, I wanna see barbies new
jeep... |
20:52.54 |
IriX64 |
10518.30 rays per sec wallclock. |
20:53.16 |
IriX64 |
tried barbies jeep the truck is much
nicer. |
20:54.03 |
IriX64 |
whyd they put the exhaust stack on the right,
driver have sensitive ears? |
20:54.09 |
``Erik |
awwww, it's so pwetty |
20:54.31 |
``Erik |
what, on the m35? |
20:54.44 |
IriX64 |
yeah. |
20:54.45 |
``Erik |
visibility? |
20:55.05 |
IriX64 |
ah the passenger doesnt need to see to shoot
:) |
20:55.35 |
``Erik |
um, it's not an assault vehicle? |
20:55.54 |
IriX64 |
tell that to the guy riding shotgun
:) |
20:56.56 |
IriX64 |
whats another pretty picture lets browse
/db |
20:57.04 |
``Erik |
sphflake is neato |
20:57.19 |
IriX64 |
tanks err wait... :) |
20:57.32 |
``Erik |
tank_car.g is a halftrack I think? |
20:57.56 |
``Erik |
ktank.g is a favorite |
20:59.56 |
IriX64 |
either a linoleum floor or a chess board i
think. |
21:00.07 |
IriX64 |
sphflake that is. |
21:00.14 |
``Erik |
did you rt it? |
21:00.25 |
IriX64 |
still rting. its big. |
21:00.31 |
``Erik |
heh |
21:00.35 |
IriX64 |
raytrace |
21:02.04 |
IriX64 |
that took 134.81 secs. |
21:02.04 |
``Erik |
purdee, ainnit? |
21:02.05 |
IriX64 |
so lets 2minutes and some right. |
21:02.10 |
IriX64 |
very |
21:02.32 |
IriX64 |
slow system ah well i love her
anyway. |
21:02.54 |
``Erik |
can't be any slower than my home
systems |
21:03.07 |
IriX64 |
heh this is a home system. |
21:03.39 |
IriX64 |
tank_car is a railroad car already looked at
that one. |
21:04.10 |
``Erik |
<-- has 5 systems at home... 1.2 ghz g4
powerbook, 1.2ghz athlon tower, 850mhz athlon, 700mhz g3 ibook,
120mhz cyrix 6x86, and a busted sun ultra5 |
21:04.11 |
IriX64 |
star is enterprise and shuttle also very
purdy. |
21:04.15 |
``Erik |
6, rather |
21:04.39 |
IriX64 |
heh a collector :) |
21:04.48 |
``Erik |
not really |
21:04.56 |
IriX64 |
repair shop? |
21:05.02 |
``Erik |
otherwise I'd still have my commodore 64's,
coleco adam, etc |
21:05.07 |
``Erik |
just haven't thrown the garbage out
yet |
21:05.08 |
``Erik |
:) |
21:05.13 |
IriX64 |
ha |
21:10.02 |
IriX64 |
well we have the floor lets dance.
:) |
21:11.22 |
brlcad |
wallclock time is not the best metric for
comparing raytrace times |
21:11.27 |
brlcad |
use the RTFM value |
21:11.28 |
IriX64 |
hrmph scene.r won't expand ... bug in the
geometry browser, ill be back. |
21:11.47 |
IriX64 |
7.41 secs. |
21:11.49 |
brlcad |
that isolates out system interference, startup
costs, etc |
21:12.12 |
IriX64 |
362509.86 rays/sec. |
21:12.48 |
IriX64 |
RTFM=real time frame meter ? :) |
21:13.34 |
IriX64 |
ill stay wont take long to fix. |
21:14.10 |
IriX64 |
and recompile mged. |
21:15.36 |
IriX64 |
ill ftp you the mged src, you fix it ok ?
:) |
21:16.27 |
IriX64 |
btw i really like these .1 files, whose
idea? |
21:17.00 |
IriX64 |
templates ala the U.S. Military, gotta love
it. |
21:21.31 |
brlcad |
ray trace figure of merit :) |
21:21.49 |
IriX64 |
does sphflake.sh mean anything to
you? |
21:21.56 |
IriX64 |
ty |
21:22.29 |
IriX64 |
heh doh. |
21:22.34 |
IriX64 |
me i mean. |
21:22.39 |
brlcad |
that would be a shell script that raytrace
sphflake |
21:22.57 |
IriX64 |
yes works too, kudos:) |
21:24.48 |
IriX64 |
i could dcc you sphflake.sh if you
like. |
21:26.40 |
IriX64 |
bbiab |
22:00.18 |
``Erik |
... |
22:01.13 |
IriX64 |
pummel him ``Erik. :) |
22:01.38 |
``Erik |
actually, I'm more apt to pummel you |
22:01.45 |
``Erik |
brlcad could benchpress like 3 of me |
22:01.53 |
``Erik |
plus he's not a total 'tard.. |
22:01.56 |
``Erik |
*coughcough* :) |
22:02.29 |
IriX64 |
Company in my town wants a linux build, I'm
gonna take this on as a mini project :) |
22:04.26 |
``Erik |
like the ones you can download for free
from...
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=105292&package_id=113559 |
22:04.33 |
IriX64 |
./configure --enable-almost-everything
--with-x --disable-shared --enable-optimizations
--build=i586-unix-linux. |
22:04.47 |
IriX64 |
don't take that the wrong way
``Erik. |
22:05.13 |
IriX64 |
shes configuring now. |
22:05.27 |
IriX64 |
they like my work what can i say? :) |
22:05.39 |
``Erik |
*shrug* |
22:06.00 |
IriX64 |
*gasp* ;) |
22:06.02 |
``Erik |
if you want to be actually useful, redoing
builds isn't gonna accomplish that... check out
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=640802&group_id=105292&func=browse |
22:06.08 |
``Erik |
:) |
22:06.23 |
IriX64 |
who says im doing this to be useful
:) |
22:06.30 |
``Erik |
aight *shrug* |
22:09.49 |
IriX64 |
sorry eric didn't know wed switched to serious
mode, ill look at some of these, ive got oodles of time on my
hands. |
22:16.57 |
IriX64 |
a "piss off user key" <---- did that guy
pay you for the binaries :) |
22:21.09 |
``Erik |
eh? |