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| 00:42.30 | IriX64 | urffff running on.... |
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| 00:52.32 | brlcad | IriX64: can you code? |
| 00:52.44 | brlcad | or better put, are you interested in coding? |
| 00:52.57 | IriX64 | i have a little experience. |
| 00:53.20 | brlcad | and by code, I mean either C/C++/Tcl or even web development |
| 00:53.22 | IriX64 | let me shutdown this thing im playing with. |
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| 00:53.56 | IriX64 | i use c mixed with a little c++ know nothing about java or web html stuff. |
| 00:54.41 | IriX64 | and a little asm too :) |
| 00:55.12 | IriX64 | why the interest in me? |
| 00:55.42 | brlcad | no rush, just wondering .. because if you can and you are interested, i'm sure there's some rather productive things you could jump into |
| 00:56.16 | IriX64 | ahh the topic is for real then, if im interested in developing, i can get involved? |
| 00:56.30 | brlcad | sure, anyone can get involved |
| 00:56.50 | brlcad | the guidelines are pretty darn flexible |
| 00:56.59 | IriX64 | ill think about it, i already have a pet project, but thanks. |
| 00:57.08 | brlcad | just a thought |
| 00:57.30 | brlcad | you seem to enjoy running the benchmarks.. there's several things that would be useful in that regard |
| 00:57.42 | IriX64 | do a ver on me you probably already know what im doing. |
| 00:58.11 | IriX64 | urrffff benchmarks, you assume much here. |
| 00:58.37 | brlcad | s/benchmarks/ray-tracing/ |
| 00:58.47 | IriX64 | ahh |
| 00:59.25 | brlcad | the brl-cad benchmark suite is based on ray-tracing as the domain metric, cpu-intensive task that exercises several core concepts |
| 00:59.45 | brlcad | while being a real world app instead of just multiplying two number 50 billion times |
| 01:00.16 | brlcad | that's where the rtfm number comes into play, as well as the other numbers listed |
| 01:00.35 | IriX64 | theres a file transfer about to finish to your ftp.brlcad.org, called linuxbrlcad. built for a i586-unix-linux system, would appreciate feedback. |
| 01:00.57 | brlcad | should be able to test that one easily enough |
| 01:01.16 | brlcad | sure it's not for a cray 2 ? :) |
| 01:01.25 | IriX64 | thankyou should create a diirectory call linuxbrlcad, put it anywhere. |
| 01:01.41 | brlcad | what prefix did you compile it for? |
| 01:01.43 | IriX64 | not unless i sent you the wrong file ;) |
| 01:01.51 | IriX64 | linuxbrlcad |
| 01:02.01 | brlcad | you did --prefix=linuxbrlcad ? |
| 01:02.13 | IriX64 | =/usr/linuxbrlcad |
| 01:02.17 | brlcad | ahh |
| 01:03.02 | brlcad | then the compile-time root is /usr/linuxbrlcad, BRLCAD_ROOT has to be set if it's relocated anywhere else |
| 01:03.21 | IriX64 | why do you throttle your server, busy system? |
| 01:03.38 | IriX64 | well do it :) |
| 01:03.41 | brlcad | which server? ftp? |
| 01:03.44 | IriX64 | yes |
| 01:03.50 | brlcad | it's not throttled |
| 01:04.00 | IriX64 | 15kbps |
| 01:04.11 | brlcad | nor in the least bit busy network-wise |
| 01:04.30 | IriX64 | file xfer finished, let me know. |
| 01:04.44 | fenn | so i spent 5 or 6 hours looking around at various GUI and scenegraph libraries last night |
| 01:04.56 | fenn | and didnt find any i liked :( |
| 01:05.12 | IriX64 | was about to ask you and came up with? |
| 01:05.33 | IriX64 | :) |
| 01:06.13 | brlcad | fenn: =) |
| 01:06.31 | fenn | i guess i dont know whether to try to use brl-cad's built-in picking and display algorithms or ... |
| 01:06.51 | IriX64 | begs the question whats scenegraph? :) |
| 01:06.59 | brlcad | it's an epidemic problem.. nothing is really great at anything and every one of them are generally seriously lacking in some regard |
| 01:07.17 | fenn | a data structure used to render stuff on the screen quickly |
| 01:07.26 | fenn | you can prune off branches that aren't visible for instance |
| 01:07.37 | fenn | but brlcad sorta has something like that already |
| 01:07.51 | IriX64 | i like your shift grips scaling manner. |
| 01:07.58 | IriX64 | so easy |
| 01:08.18 | IriX64 | that help button saved me :) |
| 01:08.58 | fenn | brlcad: can i assume that 3 button mice (or at least 2 buttons) are available on all platforms? |
| 01:09.01 | brlcad | fenn: even brl-cad's picking and display code has it's share of warts and deficiencies to say the least |
| 01:09.48 | IriX64 | fenn put it in (ducking and running) |
| 01:09.52 | brlcad | brl-cad's concept of a display manager is a good one, very nice for making relatively no assumptions about a display.. but it's feature-lacking in terms of flexibility of a gui |
| 01:09.53 | fenn | i think i want to copy a large part of blender's UI |
| 01:10.23 | IriX64 | hey you dont like it make it better. |
| 01:10.27 | brlcad | blender's ui layer is actually a fairly self-contained chunk of code in a library iirc |
| 01:11.19 | IriX64 | smoke break. |
| 01:12.34 | brlcad | for scenegraph management, there's one project that really has a lot of momentum going -- openscenegraph |
| 01:12.53 | brlcad | context and gui/widget management, however, is another story |
| 01:12.56 | fenn | yeah that and ogre3d |
| 01:13.06 | fenn | they're both humongous monsters though |
| 01:13.17 | brlcad | ogre's nice.. but it has a series of other issues |
| 01:14.36 | brlcad | i have a list of notes somewhere when I was doing extensive evaluation of a lot of packages several months back.. should put it up on a wiki or something |
| 01:15.17 | brlcad | one thing I did like from ogre was cegui |
| 01:15.32 | fenn | hehe me too |
| 01:15.38 | brlcad | that eddie has got a crazy library going there |
| 01:17.32 | brlcad | ogre's performance is less than optimal by quite a bit, their design is pretty clean/nice, platform support is unfortunately limited from what we're used to needing, license is good |
| 01:18.11 | fenn | how is it less than optimal? |
| 01:19.32 | brlcad | they're working on mild game environments, relatively optimized low polygon counts, and getting "middle" okay framerates |
| 01:20.14 | brlcad | add in something nice and complex like you'd often have on a CAD part and it goes through the floor, had some little test programs, test models |
| 01:20.37 | fenn | hm |
| 01:20.38 | brlcad | i'm sure it's probably something fixable, and hardware will of course pick up.. that wasn't a critical concern, just noteworthy |
| 01:21.00 | brlcad | platform support was more disconcerting actually |
| 01:21.05 | fenn | and you didnt have this problem with openscenegraph? |
| 01:22.45 | brlcad | yeah, performance was considerably better albeit without some of the bells and whistles ogre can do. osg doesn't have the platform problems iirc too or very many external dependencies |
| 01:23.22 | brlcad | biggest issue that comes to mind sans notes is that they didn't have as clean an api, and they were "bigger" and slightly more complex |
| 01:23.29 | fenn | thing is we don't need 90% of the bells 'n whistles ogre can do |
| 01:23.31 | brlcad | not nearly as complex a beast as crystalspace |
| 01:23.35 | brlcad | yep |
| 01:24.03 | brlcad | ogre is primarily a rendering engine according to the devs I spoke with, not even a gaming engine first |
| 01:24.16 | fenn | seems like libraries should post a list of dependencies on the front page |
| 01:25.45 | brlcad | they really should, i had to really dig on some projects |
| 01:25.59 | brlcad | looking into things like their debian spec sheet to find the list |
| 01:26.10 | fenn | yikes |
| 01:26.11 | brlcad | or their freebsd ports entry |
| 01:26.40 | brlcad | don't recall ogre's deps being bad |
| 01:26.53 | brlcad | it did end up in my top 5 |
| 01:27.30 | ``Erik | *yawn* |
| 01:27.50 | ``Erik | ewie |
| 01:29.21 | ``Erik | I think I forgot to commit before I left today |
| 01:55.28 | IriX64 | green text on a black background ... nice |
| 01:57.10 | IriX64 | hahaha mircdcc? |
| 01:59.00 | IriX64 | might become my new favorite client. |
| 01:59.59 | brlcad | which is that? |
| 02:00.08 | IriX64 | irssi |
| 02:00.14 | brlcad | ahh, good good |
| 02:00.26 | IriX64 | nice client. |
| 02:00.34 | brlcad | very nice |
| 02:00.49 | IriX64 | well behaved lots of toys etc. :) |
| 02:01.17 | IriX64 | rehash? this thing has a bot? |
| 02:02.52 | IriX64 | in a galaxy far far away, .... client wars :) |
| 02:03.40 | IriX64 | well theres a code generator calling me, ill go into lurk mode. |
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| 03:25.19 | fenn | surf's up dude.. ride the netsplit like you just don't care |
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| 05:02.05 | IriX64_ | erf |
| 05:02.19 | IriX64_ | is nickserv down? |
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| 15:03.15 | CIA-9 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/include/ (db5.h raytrace.h rtgeom.h): claiming a number for metaballs |
| 15:03.42 | clock_ | erik always does O_o |
| 15:03.48 | ``Erik | bull fuckin shit |
| 15:03.49 | ``Erik | o.O |
| 15:03.54 | clock_ | OK o.O |
| 15:03.56 | ``Erik | see, a dot, not an underscore |
| 15:03.59 | ``Erik | O.o |
| 15:04.16 | clock_ | what does it actually mean? |
| 15:04.28 | ``Erik | either a cocked eyebrow, or a 'bill the cat' look |
| 15:05.21 | ``Erik | http://www.chimique.usherbrooke.ca/crtp/profs/Bill.jpg |
| 15:06.16 | clock_ | funny |
| 15:06.31 | clock_ | what does cocked eyebrow mean? |
| 15:07.13 | ``Erik | http://publish.uwo.ca/~jpalmer/images/cocked%20eyebrow.jpg |
| 15:07.25 | ``Erik | g00gle r0x0rz |
| 15:07.45 | clock_ | yes I know what cocked eyebrow looks like but what does it mean? |
| 15:08.08 | ``Erik | I d'no *shrug* :D |
| 15:08.12 | ``Erik | I just like makin' faces |
| 15:08.31 | clock_ | OK that's a reasonable explanation :) |
| 15:10.26 | clock_ | ``Erik: are you also a surfer like brlcad>? |
| 15:11.19 | ``Erik | nyet |
| 15:11.47 | ``Erik | <-- couch potato |
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| 15:19.08 | IriX64 | ermf the cygwin effort aborts when you press control c to abort a paste :) |
| 15:19.46 | ``Erik | erm, ^c is SIGTERM |
| 15:20.06 | IriX64 | why doesnt it die in the unix environment then. |
| 15:20.27 | ``Erik | cuz it runs detached? *shrug* |
| 15:20.58 | IriX64 | bash: IriX64@hagars-py0qj2wb: command not found |
| 15:21.27 | IriX64 | here it did not even ask for confirmation. |
| 15:24.20 | IriX64 | $ usage: autossh [-M monitor_port] [-f] [SSH_OPTIONS] |
| 15:24.30 | IriX64 | what gives here? |
| 15:24.57 | IriX64 | in the win environment it asks for confirmation on a paste, here nada. |
| 15:25.09 | clock_ | ``Erik: do you work at the same place as brlcad? |
| 15:25.51 | IriX64 | perhaps i should take this to #irssi :) |
| 15:26.04 | ``Erik | same building, yeah |
| 15:30.52 | clock_ | ``Erik: yes cracks will develop in the CPUs |
| 15:32.02 | ``Erik | I've seen issues with brlcad's build system going TOO parallel... |
| 15:34.17 | clock_ | then aren't the dependencies badly written? |
| 15:39.37 | brlcad | more than likely a make race-condition bug |
| 15:40.52 | ``Erik | or I did something stupid or had an nfs blowout |
| 15:41.05 | ``Erik | sean, do you review all the commits? |
| 15:41.10 | brlcad | yeah |
| 15:41.26 | ``Erik | ok, so if I oops, you'll let me know |
| 15:41.36 | brlcad | careful on those MAX id defines.. one of them is the max define for the primitive lookup table |
| 15:41.57 | ``Erik | hm, both were 36, and I bumped 'em both... |
| 15:41.59 | brlcad | which is an array.. and if you don't add the table entry, it's going to segfault |
| 15:42.10 | ``Erik | librt/table.c ? |
| 15:42.18 | brlcad | yeah |
| 15:42.50 | ``Erik | hm |
| 15:42.57 | ``Erik | so I should throw a skeleton in quick |
| 15:43.24 | brlcad | i'm rather concerned about a comment I left in.. |
| 15:43.27 | brlcad | "Add a new primitive id above here (this is will break v5 format)" |
| 15:44.46 | brlcad | i don't recall that being the case, have to think about it some more and test it |
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| 15:45.07 | brlcad | but yeah, should throw in a skeleton table entry, even if they're all nul |
| 15:52.34 | ``Erik | doink |
| 15:52.56 | CIA-9 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/src/librt/ (g_metaball.c Makefile.am table.c): initial metaball support (skeletal) |
| 15:53.45 | clock_ | g_meatball.c ;-) |
| 15:53.59 | ``Erik | yup, meatballs |
| 15:54.11 | ``Erik | on top of spaghetti... all covered with cheese... |
| 15:58.34 | ``Erik | damnit, now I'm hungry |
| 15:58.40 | ``Erik | I want swedish meatballs... :( |
| 15:59.14 | ``Erik | if vegetarians only eat vegetables, what's a humanitarian eat? |
| 16:00.18 | clock_ | only humans |
| 16:00.19 | ValarQ | i'm a bit of a second grade vegetarian, i only eat vegetarians |
| 16:00.30 | clock_ | vegetarianarian |
| 16:00.35 | ValarQ | :) |
| 16:01.15 | clock_ | o.O strikes again |
| 16:01.20 | ``Erik | valarq: you don't eat pig or fish? |
| 16:01.35 | clock_ | meatarian is who doesn't eats vegetables only meat |
| 16:01.52 | ValarQ | ``Erik: only pigs and fish that eat vegetables |
| 16:02.19 | clock_ | better to figure out a whole family tree of the food |
| 16:02.27 | ``Erik | how do you know? |
| 16:02.33 | clock_ | what if the vegetables grow on a cemetery? |
| 16:02.35 | ValarQ | i don't |
| 16:02.45 | clock_ | they grow up from meat |
| 16:03.00 | clock_ | cemetarian - ets only zombies :) |
| 16:03.01 | ValarQ | isn't it ok to wrongly assume things? :o) |
| 16:03.21 | ``Erik | opposed to a cementarian? |
| 16:03.28 | clock_ | Hi. I am 103 years old so I am a so called cemetarian :) |
| 16:03.47 | ``Erik | mmm, cement, yummy |
| 16:06.31 | ``Erik | bitch |
| 16:06.42 | brlcad | heh |
| 16:06.49 | ``Erik | I think I'm skipping lunch today |
| 16:07.02 | brlcad | have to go tag/title the blue whale |
| 16:07.08 | clock_ | there is some saying something like that if someone is cute that he's like to be eaten or something like that |
| 16:07.10 | ``Erik | if I go to duclaws, I'll wanna stop by home and take my growlers... |
| 16:07.11 | clock_ | how is it exactly? |
| 16:07.31 | brlcad | never heard that saying |
| 16:07.31 | ``Erik | "so cute you could just eat him up?" said by ancient blue-haired women? |
| 16:07.40 | brlcad | ahh |
| 16:07.49 | clock_ | only ancient blue-haired women say that? |
| 16:08.00 | brlcad | "he's so cute, I could just eat him [alive]" |
| 16:08.12 | ``Erik | when they bust out a knife and fork, RUN |
| 16:09.27 | ``Erik | you only eat surfers? |
| 16:09.29 | clock_ | when I was a kid I realized that if you stick a magnet into sand, it will pull out little iron grains out. |
| 16:09.45 | clock_ | There is so little iron grains in the sand that I don't see them and think there are actually no iron grains |
| 16:10.05 | ValarQ | http://arda.no-ip.org/blocket_340.jpg |
| 16:10.10 | ValarQ | there's one :) |
| 16:10.15 | clock_ | ``Erik: do you know any other class of cute boys? |
| 16:11.55 | ``Erik | <-- doesn't look for cute boys, ain't that way, sorry |
| 16:13.55 | brlcad | mm.. surfer instructor girl.. I would have probably enjoyed that |
| 16:14.14 | clock_ | brlcad: should I inform her? |
| 16:14.19 | clock_ | brlcad: she looks cute |
| 16:14.30 | ``Erik | heh, hell of a drive, though... |
| 16:14.36 | brlcad | is she within driving distance? :) |
| 16:14.45 | clock_ | brlcad: depends on how strong is your sexual drive |
| 16:15.09 | brlcad | heh |
| 16:15.30 | clock_ | brlcad: I guess you must be doing the lifting also for a similar purpose, don't you? :) |
| 16:16.23 | ``Erik | heh, do you lift to get the sort of gay boys that clock likes, dude? |
| 16:16.25 | ``Erik | :> |
| 16:16.57 | clock_ | ``Erik: in brlcad case it will probably translate to girls |
| 16:17.18 | ``Erik | hehehe I d'no, he dresses too snappy... I'm kinda wondering |
| 16:17.27 | ``Erik | *duck* :D |
| 16:17.33 | clock_ | snappy means what? smart? |
| 16:18.06 | ValarQ | heh |
| 16:20.59 | ``Erik | hrmph, none of my graphics books talk about metaballs |
| 16:21.25 | AbsTradELic | hi |
| 16:22.02 | clock_ | AbsTradELic: hi your name sounds Czech |
| 16:22.03 | brlcad | jeans and a clean shirt is snappy? heh |
| 16:23.33 | AbsTradELic | ok... hi all ! |
| 16:23.50 | AbsTradELic | its my first time become here |
| 16:24.01 | AbsTradELic | I found the project on web |
| 16:24.25 | AbsTradELic | and found refers to this irc channel |
| 16:24.54 | AbsTradELic | I have difficulties with english dialet, but I know the sufficient to understand |
| 16:25.14 | ``Erik | yeah, you and your CLEAN tshirts, wtf |
| 16:25.25 | clock_ | dialect, a nice name for a world language :) |
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| 16:26.29 | IriX64 | bugs in x11 (moved to ultra mega lightyears backburner) :) |
| 16:26.32 | brlcad | AbsTradELic: howdy, and yes sufficient to understand |
| 16:26.59 | clock_ | AbsTradELic: your english is actually quite good |
| 16:27.13 | AbsTradELic | tnk u |
| 16:27.30 | AbsTradELic | my native language is portuguese |
| 16:27.38 | AbsTradELic | and I live in brazil |
| 16:27.46 | brlcad | AbsTradELic: aunque parece que eres de brazil, yo entiendo espanol si te conviene |
| 16:28.10 | AbsTradELic | brlcad: english is better to me |
| 16:28.16 | brlcad | for me to ;) |
| 16:28.31 | ``Erik | yo quiero taco bell, nacho grande burrito supreme spaghetti |
| 16:28.43 | AbsTradELic | eeheeehee |
| 16:28.46 | brlcad | mm.. spagetti sounds good |
| 16:28.57 | IriX64 | watch it ``Erik that last word is me ;) |
| 16:28.58 | clock_ | supreme spaghetti even better |
| 16:29.03 | ``Erik | "damnit, beavis, that's not even spanish! go to the principals office!" |
| 16:29.29 | brlcad | IriX64: you're a noodle? |
| 16:29.38 | brlcad | covered in sauce? |
| 16:29.40 | IriX64 | yeah and a meatball :) |
| 16:29.43 | clock_ | AbsTradELic: have you had Czech Ancestors so your name is Vladimir? |
| 16:29.57 | clock_ | meatball in graphic book. Too graphic book. |
| 16:29.58 | AbsTradELic | nops |
| 16:30.04 | clock_ | AbsTradELic: then Russian? |
| 16:30.14 | IriX64 | ahh come its all light teasing. |
| 16:30.26 | brlcad | light seasoning? |
| 16:30.35 | ``Erik | don't make him go all impaler on your ass, clock :) |
| 16:30.46 | clock_ | ``Erik: what does impaler mean? |
| 16:30.52 | IriX64 | heh |
| 16:30.56 | ``Erik | um, 'vlad the impaler'? |
| 16:31.02 | AbsTradELic | I really dont understand why my dad put this name in me |
| 16:31.08 | IriX64 | val the stick |
| 16:31.20 | IriX64 | sos the rope. |
| 16:31.21 | clock_ | AbsTradELic: but it sounds really cool |
| 16:31.33 | clock_ | Vladimir de Almeida |
| 16:32.00 | ``Erik | basarab? |
| 16:32.01 | AbsTradELic | Vladimir de Almeida Fernandes |
| 16:32.06 | clock_ | even better |
| 16:32.15 | IriX64 | ValarQ what are you running your irssi if i may ask? |
| 16:32.22 | IriX64 | on i mean. |
| 16:32.42 | clock_ | AbsTradELic: and do you have some problem with brlcad? |
| 16:32.42 | brlcad | any relation to Laurindo Almeida (famous classic guitarist)? |
| 16:33.05 | IriX64 | os? |
| 16:33.06 | brlcad | heh, bombarded with personal questions and the guy just wants to talk about cad :) |
| 16:33.36 | clock_ | AbsTradELic: are you gay? |
| 16:33.44 | AbsTradELic | I have downloaded the brlcad and uncompress it into my usr/local/src |
| 16:33.45 | IriX64 | p?=sop :) |
| 16:34.12 | brlcad | clock_: not exactly appropriate to toss sexuality into the mix out of the blue :P |
| 16:34.16 | AbsTradELic | its a compiled to ia32 |
| 16:34.34 | IriX64 | ia32=? |
| 16:34.37 | clock_ | brlcad: it's harmless. A heterosexual says "no" and a homosexual sends a quesry |
| 16:34.39 | clock_ | query |
| 16:34.46 | ``Erik | ia32 is intel arch 32... pentiums, etc... |
| 16:34.53 | IriX64 | ty |
| 16:34.56 | brlcad | perhaps harmless, still inappropriate in that manner for here |
| 16:35.15 | IriX64 | won't canonicalize ``Erik :) |
| 16:35.17 | ``Erik | put your willy away, clock, we got tech talk goin'... :) |
| 16:35.36 | clock_ | brlcad: yes but if you say a remark about girls, it's also sexuality (a majority one) |
| 16:35.42 | AbsTradELic | allright here ? |
| 16:35.47 | clock_ | brlcad: so is talking about girls forbidden here? |
| 16:35.52 | brlcad | AbsTradELic: if you downloaded a binary distribution of brl-cad, it expects to be installed into /usr/brlcad |
| 16:36.11 | AbsTradELic | I'll move it |
| 16:36.11 | brlcad | clock_: i didn't say talking about it is forbidden.. bringing it up out of the blue can be |
| 16:36.17 | clock_ | ``Erik: homosexuality is not only about willy. It's about emotions, too. This one was about sexuality, and not mine :) |
| 16:36.34 | clock_ | brlcad: OK if bringing girls out of the blue is not appropriate, then I admmit my fault. |
| 16:37.24 | brlcad | clock_: i mean we've clearly talked about both in the past, usually a gradual change of topic .. that however just wasn't gradual, especially to a new channel "visitor" |
| 16:37.28 | ``Erik | AbsTradELic: did you make sure to get the binaries for the right operating systme, aw well? FreeBSD binaries will not run on Linux... etc... |
| 16:37.42 | ``Erik | s/aw/as/ |
| 16:37.50 | brlcad | if it had been a girl and ``Erik started hitting on her asking age etc, it would have been just as inappropriate imho |
| 16:38.03 | ``Erik | !~#!~@ A/S/L~!!!! |
| 16:38.05 | brlcad | not that he does that :) |
| 16:38.05 | ``Erik | *duck* |
| 16:38.08 | brlcad | heh |
| 16:38.23 | AbsTradELic | ``Erik: ;) |
| 16:38.26 | IriX64 | well you are entitled to an opion no matter how wrong it may be brlcad :) |
| 16:38.40 | clock_ | brlcad: or download the source. It compiles fine. The README says how to compile but I guess it's just ./configure && make && make install |
| 16:38.47 | clock_ | then it tells you to put some path into the PATH |
| 16:38.58 | clock_ | so you do it and then run "mged" and it will start up |
| 16:39.34 | brlcad | IriX64: right or wrong, my opinion prevails in this particular forum |
| 16:39.39 | clock_ | AbsTradELic: you can put the path into /etc/profile, /etc/env.d or ~/.profile, ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bashrc (depends on operating system and how it's set up) |
| 16:39.47 | IriX64 | mea cupa :) |
| 16:39.56 | AbsTradELic | ``Erik: linux |
| 16:40.03 | AbsTradELic | its allright here |
| 16:40.57 | clock_ | AbsTradELic: which one? Gentoo? Debian? |
| 16:41.09 | AbsTradELic | slackware |
| 16:41.29 | clock_ | AbsTradELic: do you know where to put the BRLCAD_PATH or how it's called? |
| 16:41.38 | brlcad | i have several girl friends i know on irc that get "attacked" when they go into channels, quite something I won't tolerate regardless of the gender .. the conversation can always be taken private or to a different channel ;) |
| 16:42.28 | AbsTradELic | can I put it on /etc/rc.d/rc.loal |
| 16:42.30 | AbsTradELic | ? |
| 16:42.30 | clock_ | brlcad: yes but my question is basically a query into the replicator configuration register - the same sort as "are you a girl or a boy"? |
| 16:42.45 | AbsTradELic | *rc.local |
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| 16:43.07 | clock_ | AbsTradELic: yes that should work. Put it there, reboot and see if PATH is ammended. |
| 16:43.13 | clock_ | Otherwise put it into your /home/user/.profile |
| 16:43.15 | brlcad | DTRemenak: are you a girl or a boy |
| 16:43.31 | brlcad | clock_: see that's a wierd thing to ask out of the blue too ;) |
| 16:43.33 | clock_ | Try to log into a console and then X Window System. It should be in both. If it isn't you have to tamper with the files until it is |
| 16:43.38 | AbsTradELic | plz, wait me to fine adjusts |
| 16:43.48 | brlcad | just happens that I sort of know DTRemenak fortunately, so it's all in good fun |
| 16:44.18 | DTRemenak | brlcad: ... |
| 16:44.23 | brlcad | heh |
| 16:44.27 | clock_ | DTRemenak: your name sounds Czech |
| 16:44.37 | DTRemenak | clock_: close...anglicized polish |
| 16:45.22 | clock_ | brlcad: OK if asking about boy and girl is weird, then fully accept. Mea culpa. |
| 16:45.45 | clock_ | AbsTrAWAY: sorry if my question caused you a mental block or something like that |
| 16:46.01 | ValarQ | IriX64: i run irssi on my computer |
| 16:46.48 | ValarQ | IriX64: AMD64 X2 with Gentoo GNU/Linux |
| 16:47.05 | brlcad | DTRemenak: heh, a_delusion comes to mind for some reason |
| 16:47.22 | IriX64 | does it ask for confirm on paste attempt ValarQ? |
| 16:47.38 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 16:47.46 | brlcad | clock_: no big deal |
| 16:48.11 | clock_ | brlcad: if I behave this way, people get pissed. If I don't, I can miss some boy |
| 16:48.46 | brlcad | clock_: maybe get to know them first, just a little more slowly ;) |
| 16:48.57 | IriX64 | arithimetic-shift-left-shift-right 102 why ``Erik? |
| 16:49.05 | clock_ | For a gay gue probably even a worse nightmare than being buried alive :) |
| 16:49.19 | ``Erik | book two of the brlcad manual, 'introduction to mged' |
| 16:49.50 | clock_ | brlcad: yes I could lose them because of recoil, that makes sense |
| 16:49.55 | ValarQ | IriX64: yeah, i don't know how it works thought |
| 16:50.59 | IriX64 | ValarQ: thanks. :( mine no longer does. |
| 16:51.26 | IriX64 | ahhh well call it a feature, no nag :) |
| 16:51.34 | ValarQ | IriX64: it might depend on the terminal used |
| 16:51.36 | clock_ | brlcad: AbsTrAWAY basically needs to install either binary or source, and then set the PATH, is it right? |
| 16:51.55 | IriX64 | bash is a terminal ;) |
| 16:52.05 | ValarQ | IriX64: no, it isn't |
| 16:52.07 | ``Erik | bash is a shell, a terminal is a terminal |
| 16:52.25 | IriX64 | still talks to the shell. |
| 16:52.46 | ValarQ | IriX64: the apps doesn't |
| 16:52.54 | IriX64 | so where does the terminal beging and the shell end :) |
| 16:53.04 | IriX64 | begin |
| 16:53.09 | AbsTradELic | ok... PATH environment adjusted |
| 16:53.22 | AbsTradELic | /usr/brlcad/bin |
| 16:53.25 | AbsTradELic | added |
| 16:53.27 | clock_ | AbsTradELic: cool try to type mged do some windows pop up? |
| 16:53.41 | IriX64 | you could just have changed dir to /usr/brlcad/bin and done a ./mged |
| 16:53.42 | ValarQ | IriX64: a shell only interprets commands |
| 16:53.50 | clock_ | AbsTradELic: 2 windows should pop up |
| 16:54.12 | brlcad | clock_: technically don't need to set PATH either, but then you have to type /usr/brlcad/bin/mged instead of just mged |
| 16:54.29 | clock_ | brlcad: does it find it's own files then? |
| 16:54.29 | brlcad | yes |
| 16:54.31 | IriX64 | ValarQ: and a terminal does nothing but communicate with the shell or app. |
| 16:54.48 | ``Erik | *grouse* this book does not tell me what I want to know. I must whup up on lee when he gets back for this... |
| 16:55.03 | ValarQ | IriX64: quite true, but the app doesn't talk very much with the shell |
| 16:55.07 | IriX64 | ``Erik, try the bibel :) |
| 16:55.29 | IriX64 | ValarQ: like make ;) |
| 16:55.35 | IriX64 | bible too. |
| 16:56.33 | IriX64 | my vucom1 is on the fritz :) |
| 16:57.41 | AbsTradELic | appear |
| 16:58.03 | AbsTradELic | 2 window pop up |
| 16:58.20 | AbsTradELic | command window and graphic window |
| 17:01.52 | AbsTradELic | ok |
| 17:02.08 | clock_ | AbsTradELic: wget http://ronja.twibright.com/3d/railing.g |
| 17:02.11 | clock_ | AbsTradELic: mged railing.g |
| 17:02.15 | clock_ | in mged type B railing |
| 17:02.25 | clock_ | (without the word type) |
| 17:02.57 | clock_ | AbsTradELic: you should see an image of some engineering crap |
| 17:03.21 | brlcad | heh :) |
| 17:03.25 | AbsTradELic | ok |
| 17:03.35 | AbsTradELic | just a few |
| 17:03.35 | clock_ | brlcad: if I type rt the whole screen blanks for a while and then it returns and nothing is raytraced |
| 17:03.46 | clock_ | brlcad: I have OpenBSD 3.9 |
| 17:03.59 | brlcad | there are also a lot of simple example geometry databases installed in /usr/brlcad/share/brlcad/7.8.0/db/ |
| 17:04.19 | brlcad | clock_: hmm.. X11 display depth bug |
| 17:04.28 | brlcad | clock_: try "rt -F/dev/Xl" instead |
| 17:04.29 | clock_ | brlcad: bug of X or brlcad? |
| 17:04.36 | brlcad | both |
| 17:05.13 | brlcad | and that's ex-ell, not ex-one |
| 17:05.14 | clock_ | brlcad: lol works |
| 17:05.25 | AbsTradELic | clock_: ops, problem... I dont see nothing |
| 17:05.40 | clock_ | AbsTradELic: not eve wire frame? |
| 17:05.51 | AbsTradELic | nothing |
| 17:05.53 | clock_ | AbsTradELic: do you have file railing.g? |
| 17:05.54 | brlcad | so, something wrong with the opengl interface on your system.. it's not a new problem, saw it years ago but haven't seen it since to debug it |
| 17:06.04 | AbsTradELic | clock_: yes |
| 17:06.16 | clock_ | AbsTradELic: and you typed B railing in mged? |
| 17:06.36 | AbsTradELic | mged railling.g |
| 17:06.45 | clock_ | AbsTradELic: but in mged you have to type B railing |
| 17:06.47 | clock_ | that draws the thing |
| 17:07.02 | AbsTradELic | huM! |
| 17:07.04 | brlcad | B is the "delete everything else and draw" command |
| 17:07.11 | brlcad | e is the simple draw command |
| 17:07.12 | AbsTradELic | just a few |
| 17:07.33 | brlcad | there's also a draw command (equivalent to e) |
| 17:07.46 | clock_ | brlcad: yes but I am a lamer so I don't know that |
| 17:08.02 | brlcad | "tops" will tell you what top-level geometry are in the file hierarchy that are likely of interest |
| 17:08.22 | brlcad | since brl-cad's .g files are not necessarily 1-model per file |
| 17:08.27 | AbsTradELic | clock_: Now I see |
| 17:08.31 | AbsTradELic | I'm seeing |
| 17:08.34 | clock_ | AbsTradELic: so you have working brlcad |
| 17:08.46 | AbsTradELic | clock_: ;) |
| 17:08.51 | AbsTradELic | ok |
| 17:09.00 | brlcad | AbsTradELic: this may be of help: http://ftp.brlcad.org/MGED_Quick_Reference_Card.pdf |
| 17:10.02 | clock_ | brlcad: oh that's terrific who made it? He should get a Nobel Prize for a Reference Card |
| 17:10.02 | AbsTradELic | ok... downloading |
| 17:10.24 | AbsTradELic | download completed |
| 17:10.40 | brlcad | clock_: second page, at the bottom |
| 17:11.01 | brlcad | technically, back of the first page, it's meant to be printed on heavy glossy stock paper |
| 17:11.07 | brlcad | double-sided |
| 17:11.30 | brlcad | there's also http://ftp.brlcad.org/MGED_Quick_Reference_Trifold_Card.pdf for folks that want to fold it up |
| 17:11.30 | ``Erik | brlcad: mged interface wise, should I be looking at 'pipe'? or is there a better one to look at? |
| 17:11.47 | brlcad | ``Erik: pipe's probably a good one |
| 17:12.18 | brlcad | especially given it's variable arguments too |
| 17:12.45 | ``Erik | that's exactly what I'm looking for... jason said bot's don't have ui interface, and sketch is horrible, so pipe is the best for that feature... |
| 17:12.58 | ``Erik | so'z I'm seein' if that's right or if there's a better one :) |
| 17:13.04 | brlcad | probably not |
| 17:13.14 | brlcad | i mean, probably not a better one .. |
| 17:13.26 | ``Erik | ok, now for the dangerous question... are there docs on pipe? :D |
| 17:13.48 | brlcad | yeah, pipe is covered in the advanced tutorial (vol III iirc) |
| 17:14.19 | brlcad | otherwise, rtfs ;) |
| 17:14.26 | clock_ | brlcad: actually I think I already once asked about a screw, didn't I? |
| 17:14.55 | brlcad | clock_: i believe you did, though the details pass me |
| 17:15.13 | clock_ | brlcad: me too, unfortunately ;-) |
| 17:15.15 | brlcad | i think it was a curvature on curvature problem, which isn't easily done |
| 17:15.36 | brlcad | unless you mean threading on a non-tapering bolt.. that's somewhat tractable |
| 17:15.40 | clock_ | you said something about half toroids or something like that |
| 17:15.48 | clock_ | yes non tapering |
| 17:16.25 | brlcad | yeah, pattern tool would certainly help |
| 17:16.35 | AbsTradELic | to render it ? |
| 17:16.35 | brlcad | a linear repeat up a cylinder |
| 17:17.02 | brlcad | AbsTradELic: File->Raytrace Control Panel or simply type "rt -F/dev/Xl" in the command window |
| 17:18.27 | brlcad | ``Erik: dwayne is a demigod when it comes to using pipes if you want some really useful interactive face-time |
| 17:18.58 | brlcad | pretty efficient with them |
| 17:19.04 | ``Erik | just need a rough idea of the interface... but if I'm stuck goin' 'huhh?', I'll wander over |
| 17:19.54 | clock_ | O.o |
| 17:19.57 | brlcad | i'd worry about getting the typein interface done first .. that will at least get you going |
| 17:21.07 | AbsTradELic | ok |
| 17:22.41 | AbsTradELic | and the project age ? |
| 17:23.19 | clock_ | AbsTradELic: 25+ |
| 17:23.32 | clock_ | AbsTradELic: developed by US Army |
| 17:24.01 | AbsTradELic | 25 years ? |
| 17:24.09 | clock_ | yes |
| 17:24.13 | clock_ | brlcad: how much is it actually? |
| 17:24.19 | ``Erik | '79, yo |
| 17:25.07 | ``Erik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brlcad |
| 17:25.08 | AbsTradELic | and the source opened ? |
| 17:25.40 | ``Erik | late '04 |
| 17:27.47 | brlcad | project started in '79, first release was circa '83/'84 |
| 17:28.04 | brlcad | open-sourced on the day before christmas eve, 2004 |
| 17:28.15 | clock_ | brlcad: xmas gift? |
| 17:28.27 | brlcad | of sorts :) |
| 17:28.35 | clock_ | brlcad: that's brutal to opensource such a huge thing :) |
| 17:29.00 | brlcad | it took years of finagling, meetings, discussions, legalities, technicalities |
| 17:29.13 | brlcad | almost five years actually |
| 17:29.23 | clock_ | brlcad: working with BRL-CAD that's a great feeling compared to all those other modeller things |
| 17:30.03 | brlcad | it's a great codebase, even if the mged modeler is not so great |
| 17:30.21 | clock_ | like if a surfer was given duke kahanamoku's board :) |
| 17:30.26 | brlcad | oh, i'm not identified.. |
| 17:30.41 | brlcad | damn splits |
| 17:31.42 | AbsTradELic | brlcad work fine with arquiteture projects ? |
| 17:31.43 | clock_ | brlcad: big codebase that doesn't bloat the system |
| 17:31.54 | brlcad | AbsTradELic: sure should |
| 17:32.25 | AbsTradELic | construction architeture projects ? |
| 17:32.37 | brlcad | clock_: yeah.. that's one thing, there's a definite lack of code bloat even for it's massive size .. maybe a hint of command-bloat, but there was generally a need for all of them |
| 17:33.08 | clock_ | brlcad: I don't have problem with the commands |
| 17:33.23 | brlcad | AbsTradELic: it has been used in several architecture projects in the past .. though one thing it does not do that's worth mentioning in advance is drafting |
| 17:33.39 | brlcad | i.e. you're not going to get dimensioned blue-prints out of it - wasn't designed for that |
| 17:33.55 | brlcad | clock_: have you used more than mged and rt? :) |
| 17:33.58 | brlcad | and rtedge.. |
| 17:34.04 | ValarQ | thats the biggest drawback |
| 17:34.36 | clock_ | brlcad: yes, rtweight |
| 17:34.44 | brlcad | yeah, everyone sees cad and expects autocad, not realizing that's just one of about five major niche markets (although drafting is the biggest) |
| 17:34.57 | brlcad | clock_: so .. only 396 to go ;) |
| 17:35.01 | ValarQ | is it possible to store ortographic views in brlcad? |
| 17:35.26 | brlcad | you can save/load arbitrary views using the saveview/loadview commands |
| 17:35.42 | ValarQ | is it stored in the database then? |
| 17:35.54 | brlcad | those can be stashed into the .g file, but there's no formality for getting mged to recognize them there yet |
| 17:36.03 | brlcad | normally they are simply stashed in outboard files |
| 17:36.06 | ValarQ | mged isn't important |
| 17:36.33 | brlcad | but *any* file can be stashed into the .g as an object (binunif) |
| 17:36.52 | ValarQ | oh, ok |
| 17:36.55 | clock_ | brlcad: I think it would be OK if brlcad could export the lines from given orthographics projection like DXF |
| 17:37.04 | clock_ | one could add the dimensions himself in a CAD |
| 17:37.26 | ValarQ | would be nice to have dimensions stored under the view and having rtedge ploting them |
| 17:37.40 | ``Erik | wow, that is one horrible interface o.O :D |
| 17:37.41 | archivist | clock_ not poductive that way |
| 17:37.43 | brlcad | clock_: yes, it seems to be the requested feature of this year |
| 17:37.54 | archivist | productive |
| 17:38.50 | brlcad | it wouldn't be hard (read more than a couple months effort) at all to add a 2D overlay primitive similar to the sketch object for representing annotations, dimensions, and lines, etc |
| 17:39.22 | brlcad | the problem is more a gui then for creating/manipulating those features, and if they're dimensions -- a means to compute them and keep them up to date preferably |
| 17:40.16 | ValarQ | brlcad: shouldn't they also be dependent on a view to be placed or plotted? |
| 17:40.45 | brlcad | there are uses for both dependant and independant |
| 17:40.56 | ValarQ | brlcad: otherwise it could be tricky to know where the dimension really are |
| 17:41.06 | brlcad | though independant is actually quite harder (staying fixed to the projection they're being looked at from) |
| 17:42.06 | brlcad | ValarQ: as long as perspective mode is turned off, it's fairly easy to compute -- you can take a view-aligned bounding box's width for example |
| 17:42.47 | ValarQ | brlcad: isn't that the wrong way to measure? |
| 17:42.50 | archivist | hmm dimensions should not be affected by view |
| 17:43.16 | brlcad | the difficulty in general of commputing *any* of the dimensions, though is that it requires evaluation of the implicit form (expensive) or seamless transition to an explicit form (e.g. brep nurbs) |
| 17:43.28 | ValarQ | well, in my head they should be affected by a view, but only one view, one that doesn't change |
| 17:43.38 | brlcad | ValarQ: not if it's a tight-fit and you're dimensioning orthogonal |
| 17:44.01 | brlcad | it really depends what it is that you are trying to dimension |
| 17:44.35 | brlcad | for some random subpiece of a subassembly, no that wouldn't work so well if you couldn't specify the whole subassembly/combination |
| 17:44.36 | ValarQ | how should you store the dimension? |
| 17:45.25 | brlcad | as a dimension object type in the database (the 2D overlay primitive I referred to) |
| 17:45.55 | brlcad | can have attributes tying it to the original, constraints attributes for optionally keeping it up to date, etc |
| 17:46.03 | archivist | should they be atached to the skect primatives |
| 17:46.12 | archivist | sketch |
| 17:46.12 | ValarQ | yeah |
| 17:46.27 | ValarQ | have you used the sketch function in pro/engineer? |
| 17:46.47 | archivist | Im a solidworks person |
| 17:46.55 | brlcad | sketch primitive would not be my first choice, simply because they require shape closure, have a defined 2D inside and outside |
| 17:47.11 | brlcad | i have used sketch in pro/e, though it was a couple years back now |
| 17:47.47 | brlcad | it could certainly be an attribute of a sketch, though, or reference a sketch if it were an object itself |
| 17:48.06 | brlcad | mind you i'm talking about the implementation, not whatever the user interface chose to present it as |
| 17:48.35 | ValarQ | brlcad: me too |
| 17:48.37 | brlcad | the user interface could very well "show" a dimension tied to a sketch object.. that's regardless |
| 17:49.46 | archivist | tied to or driving |
| 18:05.57 | ``Erik | oh, neat, mged -c is 'more awesomer' |
| 18:08.55 | clock_ | is there man mged? |
| 18:12.14 | ``Erik | clock_: yes, add /usr/brlcad/man to your MANPATH |
| 18:16.00 | clock_ | ``Erik: I think the brlcad didn't say that at the end. |
| 18:26.31 | ``Erik | pipe_in... eck |
| 19:05.04 | ``Erik | I must be hungry, I'm gettin' dizzy :/ |
| 19:19.10 | ``Erik | sean, why does pipeseg have a magic value defined and no field for magic? |
| 19:19.21 | ``Erik | wdb.h:120 |
| 19:21.11 | CIA-9 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/include/ (rtgeom.h wdb.h): store metaball control points in a bu_list of structs instead of an array of homogenous vectors |
| 19:32.34 | CIA-9 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/src/mged/typein.c: Initial metaball parser (heavily based on pipes) and minor cleanup. |
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| 20:54.53 | AbsTradELic | hi |
| 20:55.43 | ValarQ | hiya |
| 21:06.38 | AbsTradELic | I'll come back |
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| 21:18.31 | AbsTradELic | ok |
| 21:22.05 | AbsTradELic | hi all ! |
| 21:23.29 | AbsTradELic | to have a compreensive view of project, I need something informations |
