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04:36.24 *** topic/#brlcad is http://brlcad.org/ || BRL-CAD is an open source solid modeling software suite || Developers needed! Read the HACKING file for details on getting involved
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18:48.53 bryan_ hello
18:49.16 bryan_ I have read in a few places about the new "archer" interface.
18:49.29 bryan_ What is the purpose of this GUI?
18:49.45 siggraph hello bryan_
18:49.57 bryan_ it doesn't run on my linux pc, and it looks like it might be developed on win32 first
18:50.10 bryan_ do you know anything about this sig?
18:50.14 ``Erik it was
18:50.22 siggraph it was, though it only needs a few tweaks for linux
18:50.26 bryan_ ok.
18:50.29 siggraph it also works on linux
18:50.32 bryan_ well what is it?
18:50.37 siggraph doesn't work on os x yet (minor issue)
18:50.58 bryan_ It throws errors including but not limited to can't find package blt
18:51.01 siggraph it's basically the beginning of a new modeler, written using much of mged as a foundation
18:51.14 bryan_ that's what i figured looking at the code
18:51.17 ``Erik heh
18:51.24 bryan_ but couldn't get it to run properly
18:51.24 siggraph yeah, the package search for blt is not working right, have to manually set some things for it to find blt
18:51.34 bryan_ hmm
18:51.45 bryan_ I have installed blt, but have no experience with tcl
18:51.52 siggraph basically, if you're at all familiar with mged, it's mged with an interface that sucks less *ss
18:51.57 bryan_ how does one set this up to work?
18:52.08 bryan_ i was hoping that was what it was
18:52.15 siggraph howdy ``Erik .. guess where i'm at :)
18:52.24 bryan_ I have been kisking around the idea of writing such a thing
18:52.27 bryan_ kicking
18:52.42 siggraph ahh
18:53.07 bryan_ i have used proe, soliddge, unigraphics, solidworks, etc and they are all getting nice GUIs
18:53.13 ``Erik bitch
18:53.41 siggraph it's not exactly simple to explain how to get it working beyond "it's not ready for linux just quite yet (couple days/weeks)" .. otherwise it's a matter of tcl search path configuration
18:53.42 bryan_ and brlcad seems to be powerful, but about 5 years behing in the usability category
18:53.50 ``Erik ohyeah, and kick lee in the butt for me, too
18:53.52 siggraph heh 5 years
18:53.55 ``Erik ass kickings for everyone.
18:53.55 siggraph that's being generous
18:54.14 ``Erik tim and chuck, too
18:54.15 ``Erik yo
18:54.17 ``Erik :/
18:54.20 bryan_ well it's about on par with proe 2000 so call it 7 years
18:54.22 ``Erik I'm grousy and unhappy.
18:54.24 siggraph ``Erik: I'll convery the information while I go bask in the hot tub.. hold on
18:54.31 ``Erik ...
18:54.33 ``Erik 'fucker
18:54.35 siggraph hehe
18:55.01 siggraph bryan_: yeah, the features are definitely there .. there's a solid 100+ manyears of development effort invested
18:55.02 ``Erik :>
18:55.04 bryan_ i'm new here, could I opt out of the ass kickings?
18:55.16 bryan_ I can see that
18:55.42 bryan_ I'm laid up with an achilles tear and I've been browsing the source for mged
18:55.51 siggraph bryan_: he's just bitter because several of the devs are up at the annual ACM Siggraph conference and he's not
18:55.59 bryan_ ah
18:56.10 bryan_ well it beats being stuck on a sofa
18:56.11 siggraph it's a rather fun conference to say the least
18:56.17 bryan_ like I am
18:56.23 siggraph heh
18:56.29 ``Erik bryan: if you're not one of the few folk who get paychecks from teh same place as me, but DID get to go to siggraph this year, you are exempt.
18:56.57 bryan_ so the tcl search paths ought to be explained on the tcl site?
18:57.11 ``Erik fucking stupid motherfucking fucking goddamn fucking ...
18:57.17 ``Erik mebbe next year I'll present there, hah.
18:57.18 ``Erik :(
18:57.20 ``Erik fuk
18:57.23 ``Erik FUX
18:57.39 ``Erik O.o
18:57.49 ``Erik *pissed*
18:57.58 ``Erik almost as much as the fucking bsdcan episode
18:58.05 ``Erik oooohhhhh I was fucking pissed
18:58.05 siggraph innovate that metaball, make it sweet, write a paper
18:58.11 ``Erik that's the plan.
18:58.28 ``Erik I've yet to find anything approaching a reasonable bounding sphere for a metaball.
18:58.50 siggraph bryan_: yes, it is.. though I could probably condense it all if you wait a little bit for me to look at the code
18:59.20 siggraph probably just a matter of copying the blt directory into a path that is already being searched will be the easiest
18:59.32 ``Erik thanks for the book, btw... couldn't find a name in it... if ya do that, you probably should at LEAST slap a postit on it...
18:59.32 ``Erik :)
18:59.36 bryan_ i'll try that
18:59.43 ``Erik otherwise, your library will dwindle ;)
18:59.48 siggraph heh
18:59.51 siggraph it's a great book
19:00.05 ``Erik it's a tiny book, but it looks reasonably dense
19:00.09 siggraph pretty dense on the math and sparse on the explanations, but good summary
19:00.54 ``Erik I've had good math-heavy discussions with several math doctorates recently, if I NEED help groking the math, I have people to lean on :)
19:00.59 siggraph plus it's got everything in context with the "big picture", so you can see what else has been done
19:01.26 siggraph how metaballs relate to blending in general for example
19:01.35 ``Erik the latest wench happens to irc as well and intro'd me to a math phd whom I chattered with at lenght, he's "bored" and looking for mental exercises, heh
19:01.51 ``Erik (the latest wench is finishing up a masters in math, to boot)
19:02.06 ``Erik irritating that she's like 6mo younger than me and ahead of me on ed :/
19:02.08 ``Erik :D
19:16.50 siggraph bryan_: try "export ARCHER_HOME=/usr/brlcad" then run archer again
19:16.55 siggraph that alone just might do the trick
19:17.46 ``Erik hah... PROG_HOME is so... archaic.
19:18.00 bryan_ ok
19:18.21 ``Erik writing yesteryears software tomorrow.
19:18.22 ``Erik :(
19:19.12 ``Erik and seriously, dude, pimpslap lee for me :) the bitch is chillin' at fucking siggraph all glossyeyed and pimp promo shit, meanwhile the folk who could BENEFIT are sitting at home being grousy :D
19:19.14 ``Erik *duck*
19:19.19 bryan_ nah still get the error message
19:20.07 ``Erik is there anything in the paperwork on implicit surfaces?
19:20.38 ``Erik I mean, the $1500 to send me there would probably save more than 10k of my time, hah.
19:20.38 ``Erik :(*
19:20.45 ``Erik *grouse*
19:20.54 ``Erik stupid fucking gov't
19:20.56 ``Erik *shakes fist**
19:22.11 ``Erik <-- angry, and drinkin', so doubly angry :D
19:26.05 siggraph evidently so
19:26.21 siggraph (from the Siggraph Store)
19:26.31 ``Erik 1heh
19:26.33 siggraph bryan_: hrmph
19:26.59 ``Erik do the pills have a fancy crescent and say 'S06' on 'em?
19:27.01 ``Erik :/
19:27.04 siggraph bryan_: what does this report: find /usr/brlcad -type d -name blt2.4
19:27.25 ``Erik if the fucking wench wasn't gone to go to a wedding, I'd be breaking the bitch to try to calm down some.
19:27.30 ``Erik *grouse*
19:27.32 siggraph nah, that was last years, this years is silver
19:27.39 bryan_ /usr/brlcad/lib/blt2.4
19:27.47 ``Erik just plain silver? no "06"?
19:27.58 bryan_ sig, how do I send pm's in irc?
19:27.59 siggraph says boston06
19:28.09 siggraph bryan_: /msg siggraph message
19:28.14 bryan_ danke
19:28.16 ``Erik bryan: /msg username msg
19:28.18 ``Erik heh
19:28.43 siggraph too slow drunky
19:28.51 ``Erik and this net sucks, so if the person you want to message hasn't done something special, you need to be 'registered'...
19:28.58 ``Erik good thing mr sean has 'done something special'
19:29.12 ``Erik drunky? why, I oughta smack the shit outta you :D
19:29.32 siggraph i'll sit by the pool waiting
19:29.44 siggraph with my martini
19:30.05 siggraph actually.. i could go for a mojito
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21:30.56 IriX64 hecklers back :)
21:32.48 IriX64 you know ./mged -c mode.
21:36.21 siggraph IriX64: 'tops' will give a list of geometry -- 'e object' will display "object"
21:47.01 ``Erik -c is awesome
21:47.21 ``Erik did you 'attach' a display type?
21:47.25 ``Erik like, X or gl?
21:47.45 ``Erik <-- usually says "nu" when starting in -c, but has different intentions for using the thing
21:49.20 IriX64 nu
21:49.26 siggraph then type gui
21:49.35 IriX64 thankyou.
21:50.07 CIA-9 BRL-CAD: 03lbutler * 10brlcad/ (COPYING INSTALL include/machine.h src/libbu/parallel.c): changes to support Intel Mac parallel code
21:50.20 ``Erik oh shit, what did he break now
21:50.55 IriX64 dm_bestXtype invalid command name.
21:51.15 siggraph well for starters, he blew away COPYING and INSTALL
21:53.12 ``Erik sean, you have my permission to walk over and backhand him as hard as you can. :D
21:57.10 CIA-9 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/INSTALL: revert -- I doubt these changes support the intel mac parallel code.. careful not to commit INSTALL as it is often automatically overwritten by automake
21:57.40 ``Erik *snicker*
21:57.54 ``Erik that's a very polite and civil way to phrase it :D
21:57.56 CIA-9 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/COPYING: revert -- I doubt these changes support the intel mac parallel code.. careful not to commit COPYING as it is often automatically overwritten by automake
22:36.58 IriX64 $ aclocal
22:36.58 IriX64 S
22:36.58 IriX64 <PROTECTED>
22:36.58 IriX64 <PROTECTED>
22:36.59 IriX64 I
22:36.59 IriX64 IBMCRYPT
22:37.01 IriX64 IBGCRYPT
22:37.03 IriX64 T2
22:37.05 IriX64 NIT
22:37.07 IriX64 aclocal:configure.ac:2765: warning: macro `AM_PATH_SDL' not found in library
22:40.06 IriX64 checking whether dependency tracking should be enabled... no
22:40.07 IriX64 checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
22:40.07 IriX64 checking whether build environment is sane... yes
22:40.07 IriX64 checking for gawk... gawk
22:40.07 IriX64 checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes
22:40.07 IriX64 checking whether to enable maintainer-specific portions of Makefiles... no
22:40.09 IriX64 ./configure: line 2271: syntax error near unexpected token `COPYING'
22:40.11 IriX64 ./configure: line 2271: `BC_RESTORE_CLOBBERED(COPYING INSTALL, misc)'
22:40.13 IriX64 IriX64@hagarsfi-f038a0 ~/brlcad-10.0.0
22:40.59 IriX64 autoconf autoheader automake produced no warnings or erros.
22:41.07 IriX64 errors too.
22:41.46 IriX64 and don't tell me to fix it :)
22:42.18 IriX64 time to refresh my code tree i guess.
22:45.33 IriX64 fixed... the easy way, i leave the real work to you :)
22:46.05 IriX64 don't ignore it, it won't go away. :)
22:57.36 IriX64 maybe should be AM_PATH_TO_SDL ? :)
23:00.02 IriX64 not it.
23:05.53 IriX64 dnl works *shrug*

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