| 00:38.14 | brlcad | ``Erik: http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn2006/tn2161.html |
| 00:58.44 | ``Erik | heh, tell mal, not me :) |
| 01:07.35 | brlcad | ahh, interesting.. apparently this was a recently _dropped_ feature, 4.0.1 gcc on mac disabled it |
| 01:07.57 | brlcad | which means we could have simply selected a different gcc version (several are installed) and moved on |
| 01:08.05 | brlcad | http://lists.apple.com/archives/Xcode-users/2005/Nov/msg00274.html |
| 01:10.46 | ``Erik | that was old ocde that's being thrown away |
| 01:10.54 | ``Erik | the new code compiled fine on my g4 lappie |
| 01:20.24 | IriX64 | patch? for a simple !=NULL? ;) |
| 01:20.50 | IriX64 | the user should do *some work :) |
| 01:23.02 | IriX64 | maybe I should use bu_free() on it ;) |
| 01:24.13 | IriX64 | a friend of mine named sean tells me that code can't possibly work :) |
| 01:25.06 | IriX64 | sigh starting over is hard to do but lets see where cygwin is today. |
| 01:40.22 | IriX64 | gotta reboot. cya |
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| 02:11.53 | Maloeran | Thanks brlcad, Erik forwarded the url :) |
| 02:42.00 | brlcad | np :) |
| 02:44.56 | Maloeran | brlcad, any interest in a bicycle ride tomorrow? I guess you might have replied to Lee's message already |
| 02:45.15 | brlcad | yeah, I just saw it |
| 02:45.32 | brlcad | i normally would, but I have crew practice most all saturday morning |
| 02:46.34 | Maloeran | Ah, unfortunate. All right then |
| 02:46.42 | brlcad | 5am until about 10am, and then I'm usually beat.. |
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| 08:47.52 | UltraMagnus | hi |
| 08:48.38 | UltraMagnus | how do i install brl-cad when it is not in my distro's repositoriese? please, i am kinda new to linux..... |
| 08:49.07 | clock_ | UltraMagnus: download and compile from the sources |
| 08:49.34 | UltraMagnus | clock_: ok, uh, how do i do that? |
| 08:49.49 | clock_ | UltraMagnus: download the .tgz file, unpack and go according to the README |
| 08:49.50 | clock_ | inside |
| 08:50.13 | UltraMagnus | ok, thanks |
| 08:52.34 | UltraMagnus | uhh, i went to "brl-cad" for linux on the brlcad website, and there are 6 differnt files, how do i know what one i need? |
| 08:53.44 | clock_ | UltraMagnus: you need the sources |
| 09:07.40 | brlcad | UltraMagnus: there's basically only three choices -- ia32, ia64, and amd64 (x86_64) |
| 09:08.08 | brlcad | depending on your distribution of linux and your hardware, ia32 may indeed work for you |
| 09:08.20 | UltraMagnus | yeah, i realised that..... i guessed i needed ia32, thanks |
| 09:08.46 | brlcad | otherwise you will need to go to the BRL-CAD Source section and compile the package for your system like clock suggested |
| 09:09.13 | UltraMagnus | oh, so this isnt the sources? |
| 09:10.01 | UltraMagnus | so, what is this i just downloaded then? the....... uh, binary? |
| 09:10.15 | UltraMagnus | what do i need to do with this then? |
| 09:11.01 | brlcad | well, it's a binary for linux that you're downloading |
| 09:11.13 | brlcad | you'll want to follow the instructions in the INSTALL file |
| 09:11.38 | brlcad | which basically amount to copying the usr/brlcad directory in there to /usr/. |
| 09:12.35 | brlcad | i got to run out for a bit.. back in a while if you still need help .. most everything is in the INSTALL file, various sections |
| 09:12.43 | UltraMagnus | where is the install file? |
| 09:13.39 | brlcad | it's in both the source and binary downloads |
| 09:13.49 | brlcad | or go to it directly here: http://brlcad.cvs.sourceforge.net/*checkout*/brlcad/brlcad/INSTALL |
| 09:14.12 | brlcad | good luck, gotta run.. |
| 09:15.09 | UltraMagnus | thanks |
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| 12:33.16 | ``Erik | row row row a boat |
| 12:45.16 | IriX64 | urf, only 120gigs left better clean house :) |
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| 17:37.41 | UltraMagnus | hmm, ok, i have extracted the linux binary, how do i get it to..... uh..... work? |
| 17:42.48 | ``Erik | there should be a brlcad/bin dir with lots of programs, the one you probably want to try running is "mged" |
| 17:45.00 | brlcad | *after* you move that brlcad dir into /usr/. |
| 17:46.29 | UltraMagnus | ok, but how do i add it to my menu? usually i will just use alacarte to add it via the console command, but it currently doesnt have a console command... |
| 17:47.11 | ``Erik | ROW ROW ROW A BOUT |
| 17:47.13 | ``Erik | boat, even |
| 17:47.14 | ``Erik | hehehe |
| 17:47.15 | ``Erik | :D |
| 17:48.02 | ``Erik | UltraMagnus: there's four hundred and something binaries to brlcad, it's a big honkin' suite, not "program" :) |
| 17:49.01 | UltraMagnus | ``Erik: uh, isnt there some sort of unifying program? or something..... |
| 17:50.23 | brlcad | in short - no, though most people jump in and use "mged" for starters as it is a gui application |
| 17:50.37 | brlcad | and has the most extensive documentation, and is a solid modeler, etc |
| 17:51.01 | brlcad | probably the closest to "unifying" that there is for now |
| 17:51.15 | brlcad | still.. before you go adding shortcuts and all, you really should make sure it works |
| 17:52.16 | brlcad | If you installed everything correctly, you should be able to run this and have some windows pop up: |
| 17:52.19 | brlcad | /usr/brlcad/bin/mged |
| 17:52.43 | brlcad | if that works, you can add that as a menu item or shortcut or whatever your heart desires |
| 17:54.47 | CIA-9 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/INSTALL: |
| 17:54.47 | CIA-9 | BRL-CAD: more detailed testing section, with details on testing functionality before and |
| 17:54.47 | CIA-9 | BRL-CAD: after installation. also, make the quick instructions be an optimized build. |
| 17:54.47 | CIA-9 | BRL-CAD: give examples on how to provide custom flags during configure and make too. |
| 17:54.53 | brlcad | if that doesn't work typed *exactly* like that, then you've missed some installation step |
| 18:04.03 | UltraMagnus | ok, thanks |
| 18:04.22 | UltraMagnus | thanks everyone for your help! and thanks for putting up with my absolute ignorance! |
| 18:04.30 | UltraMagnus | bye all |
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| 18:14.50 | IriX64 | `Erik... get that boat ashore yet? |
| 18:14.59 | IriX64 | :) |
| 18:15.17 | ``Erik | <-- not the one who was boating |
| 18:15.47 | IriX64 | show.... me that in the backscroll ;) |
| 18:17.35 | IriX64 | my knucles are bleeding slightly from latest cygwin attempt. :) |
| 18:17.41 | IriX64 | knuckles too. |
| 18:18.47 | IriX64 | why cygwin tho when i have redhat 6.0 (Hedwig) running on Twingys vm. |
| 18:19.49 | IriX64 | I'm necient about some things, how do you start the network in RedHat? |
| 18:20.40 | dtidrow | I seem to have had better luck building stuff with mingw than cygwin |
| 18:20.54 | IriX64 | never tried mingw. |
| 18:21.17 | dtidrow | starting the network in RedHat: ifup eth0 |
| 18:21.25 | IriX64 | ty |
| 18:21.44 | dtidrow | do you have it set for dhcp? |
| 18:23.56 | IriX64 | all the defaults for workstation whatever they are. |
| 18:24.18 | IriX64 | comes back ifup <device name> |
| 18:45.46 | brlcad | if only because of the fewer dependencies and licensing details |
| 18:45.57 | brlcad | msys is a nice subset at that too |
| 19:02.17 | Maloeran | You can always pass -mno-cygwin to cygwin, mingw is lacking many packages by default |
| 19:06.37 | ``Erik | <-- does the -mno-cygwin trick when he has to touch that os cuz he likes automake too much... |
| 19:19.05 | brlcad | i like the fact that it's "missing" a lot by default -- I usually want it for minimal build environment, not interactive use |
| 19:22.09 | ``Erik | heh, I just want to take my code developed on bsd or linux, run "configure&&make" and have the .exe to give to winiots... |
| 19:22.20 | ``Erik | not exactly interactive use |
| 19:23.22 | Maloeran | Quite, you at least need Make... unless you want to write out a .bat file or something :) |
| 19:24.34 | brlcad | mingw includes the default build stuff, even msys includes make |
| 19:24.45 | ``Erik | "configure" requires at least a posix shell, though *shrug* |
| 19:24.55 | ``Erik | and nmake is grotesquely differen than unix breed makes |
| 19:25.09 | ``Erik | last I looked, anyways |
| 19:26.52 | brlcad | are we talking about the same thing? last time I checked, mingw/msys provides the shell, make, binutils, autotools, etc |
| 19:28.23 | brlcad | Maloeran: how was the ride? |
| 19:28.47 | ``Erik | but it's been five years, y'know? |
| 19:30.03 | Maloeran | Quite nice, brlcad, the area we went to was surprisingly quiet. As well, Lee isn't in bad shape |
| 19:30.09 | brlcad | msys is supposed to be the bare "mininmal system" subset of mingw that gets a configure script to work (including the implicitly required tools, make, gcc, ld, cat, grep, etc, etc) |
| 19:30.28 | brlcad | Maloeran: really? hmm.. i was just about to ask |
| 19:30.43 | brlcad | if there was any trouble keeping up |
| 19:30.45 | ``Erik | rode around abingdon? |
| 19:30.54 | brlcad | (not you, him) |
| 19:31.21 | Maloeran | He's riding a recumbant so he got some aerodyamic advantage, but it wasn't a problem |
| 19:31.23 | ``Erik | he cheats with that recumbant, though, less air resistance, less full body exercise... |
| 19:32.18 | brlcad | when I've ridden, the aerodynamic advantage hasn't been enough .. |
| 19:32.23 | Maloeran | Eheh :), I of course didn't go as fast as I could, but we kept a reasonable pace |
| 19:32.41 | brlcad | i generally have to hold *waaay* back |
| 19:32.49 | clock_ | wayback machine |
| 19:33.08 | brlcad | not that he can't keep a good pace, just not what I usually go at |
| 19:33.14 | ``Erik | ya shoulda gave it some juice to leave him behind, mal :D I bet that trek would hold itself together for that ;) |
| 19:34.45 | Maloeran | Mmhm :). The pace was reasonable really, I expected worse |
| 19:35.08 | Maloeran | I have friends who certainly ride slower than Lee |
| 19:37.10 | ``Erik | though I'd probably exhaust myself just getting onto it :) |
| 19:37.49 | brlcad | heh |
| 19:37.54 | Maloeran | You should go for a ride with Lee every Saturday morning, that will give you an excellent reason to get in good shape :) |
| 19:38.25 | ``Erik | I can think of better things to do saturday morning |
| 19:39.26 | brlcad | should at least get sam to pay you to go to the gym a couple times a week for a few months |
| 19:39.30 | Maloeran | Being in good shape generally gives you more energy to be more productive in most activities, as well as increasing the life expectancy |
| 19:39.37 | Maloeran | So it's generally a good.. investment |
| 19:39.38 | ``Erik | sam? |
| 19:39.39 | brlcad | or was it just a month? either way.. |
| 19:39.42 | brlcad | uncle sam |
| 19:39.45 | ``Erik | oh |
| 19:39.56 | ``Erik | yeah, one of these days, I'll go to the gym |
| 19:40.06 | ``Erik | I got the one here my hoa pays for, I got to that once every few months |
| 19:40.21 | brlcad | might as well *pay* you to go :) |
| 19:40.27 | ``Erik | but all I do is see what my limits are |
| 19:40.31 | Maloeran | I don't understand that. People travels in their car, but spend hours at the gym. Anyone sees how to combine the two? :) |
| 19:40.53 | brlcad | Maloeran: yeah, live in a city :) |
| 19:40.58 | ``Erik | alexis: when bicycling to work is a possiblity, people around here do it... for many, it's not |
| 19:42.03 | Maloeran | Yes, this area could use some investment for small tracks dedicated to bicycles going between cities... |
| 19:42.11 | Maloeran | or between towns, rather |
| 19:42.19 | ``Erik | cars hitting deer or dogs or cats is a relatively common occurance out here, bicycles aren't TOO terribly different on those roads |
| 19:43.01 | ``Erik | and I'm sure you can appreciate the consequences of a car vs bicycle collision ;) *duck* |
| 19:43.02 | brlcad | i ride quite a bit and have nearly been hit several times just in the past couple years |
| 19:43.15 | ``Erik | like on 40? |
| 19:43.36 | brlcad | 40's actually pretty nice |
| 19:43.45 | Maloeran | I have never been "hit" by a car really. I mostly tend to ram into car doors opening right in front of me |
| 19:43.47 | ``Erik | yeah, straight with nice big shoulders |
| 19:43.54 | brlcad | only have to worry about idiots that try to cause a scare by throwing or yelling something |
| 19:43.56 | ``Erik | hit by, hit a, whatever |
| 19:44.03 | ``Erik | and gravel |
| 19:44.36 | Maloeran | I sure am beginning to miss Montreal's bicycle lanes and roads dedicated to pedestrians and bicycles |
| 19:44.43 | brlcad | i've had a big truck pass me only to make almost an immediate right turn right in front of me (going 25mph mind you) |
| 19:45.21 | Maloeran | Ow. With good brakes, it should still be fine |
| 19:45.22 | brlcad | that was pretty bad.. I barely skidded to a halt within a foot or so of the truck |
| 19:45.31 | ``Erik | there are a couple bike lanes out here, but not enough to make the bicycle a good regular commuter vehicle... and if there's snow, those lanes don't get plowed |
| 19:46.28 | ``Erik | <-- wouldn't rely on a motorcycle out here, either... need something with 4 wheels and a roll cage, protection from the elements is nice, too :/ |
| 19:46.58 | Maloeran | With the kind of temperature you have here, I sure wish my bicycle had air conditionning |
| 19:47.23 | ``Erik | 35c and brutal humidity isn't comfortable for ya? ;) |
| 19:47.30 | brlcad | i like the thrill, flying down a hill at 50mph on my bike is quite a rush... |
| 19:47.56 | Maloeran | No Erik, definitely not :) |
| 19:47.57 | ``Erik | ummm, what did it get up to a couple weeks ago, 46c? |
| 19:48.02 | ``Erik | (115f, right?) |
| 19:48.02 | brlcad | course so are most life-threatening situations |
| 19:48.30 | brlcad | it's not been horribly hot lately |
| 19:48.38 | ``Erik | yeah, the last couple weeks |
| 19:48.39 | brlcad | couple weeks ago was pretty bad |
| 19:48.41 | ``Erik | but we had a front that was rough |
| 19:48.44 | Maloeran | 50mph on a bicycle? I don't think my gears go far enough for that, it's a hybrid |
| 19:49.37 | Maloeran | Unless you meant 50km/h? You sure get some awful air resistance at 50mph |
| 19:49.39 | brlcad | Maloeran: going down a very large hill that has a good 10-20% grade, for almost a mile |
| 19:49.48 | Maloeran | Eheh, I see |
| 19:49.50 | brlcad | nope, mph |
| 19:50.23 | brlcad | quite exhilirating.. the slightest rock or puncture and I would have been launched |
| 19:50.48 | Maloeran | A day or two after some storm or cyclon hit the american east coast, I remember having much fun riding a bicycle in winds of 70km/h |
| 19:51.56 | brlcad | in the fall here, the winds pick up pretty heavy -- only 30-40mph or so, but it's enough to knock you off the bike in a gust if you're not careful |
| 19:52.26 | Maloeran | *nods* That's some powerful wind, yes |
| 19:52.30 | ``Erik | heh, I've watched cars almost blown out of control, too |
| 19:53.32 | ``Erik | suv's seem the worst, large side area, drivers who feel too 'safe' and complacent... ;) |
| 19:53.51 | brlcad | yeah |
| 19:54.10 | ``Erik | (though the minivan that did a few spins behind me in snow was amusing... one fo those blue taxi things) |
| 20:03.46 | Maloeran | Erik, did Lee put the code to read BRL-CAD files in the raytracer cvs or elsewhere? |
| 20:04.03 | Maloeran | Or maybe it just isn't completed yet |
| 20:14.05 | ``Erik | heh, I d'no |
| 20:15.33 | ``Erik | I scrolled back through some history and see no commits from lee in the last few days |
| 20:22.49 | Maloeran | Right, I'm supposed to be reading BRL-CAD geometry by September 1st so I'm wondering |
| 20:25.50 | ``Erik | it's a milestone, not a deadline... |
| 20:26.21 | ``Erik | and if worst comes to worst, you can copy g-stl.c or g-obj.c and alter it to your liking |
| 20:40.42 | IriX64 | bikes? get with with a motor :) |
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| 21:24.03 | ``Erik | http://www.bash.org/?670444 |