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00:00.04 IriX64 how do i use Photon mapping light model properly?
00:01.56 IriX64 i'm particularly confused byt visualize irradiance cache.
00:02.02 IriX64 -t
00:07.48 ``Erik you probably don't want to visualize that
00:29.47 IriX64 probably? it came out black :)
00:35.48 IriX64 Global Photons 16384 irradiance rays 100 angular Tol 60 scale indirect 1.0 and use irradiance hpersampling cache comes out better but still dark :)
00:36.45 IriX64 photon mapping is simply a lighting model which i use to display a model.
00:36.57 IriX64 solid model.
00:41.44 IriX64 nice of you to offer 7 different lighting models :)
00:45.19 ``Erik hrm, did you define a light source when you tried rendering with photon mapping?
00:46.09 ``Erik ARL-TR-3608 is Justin's report on photon mapping, if you can find it... I d'no how much it applies to using the gui thingy in mged, though :)
00:48.41 IriX64 photon mapping i'm familiar with is a model and the source.
00:54.18 IriX64 hah enough of that for now.
00:54.36 IriX64 must revisit jumpdrive.
01:37.20 ``Erik I'd imagine that you must define at least one region with the shader of "light" for photon mapping to work... as... you need a source...
02:36.30 IriX64 Comes out right.
02:37.01 IriX64 time to play with windows archer.
03:18.09 Maloeran Both the guest house and the Monaco hotel are full for that Utah conference, I seriously need to find something before getting there :}
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10:36.04 peterbrett Hey folks, I'm having a bit of trouble getting my environment set up to run brlcad...
10:36.20 clock_ peterbrett: what's the problem?
10:36.40 peterbrett mged says it can't find data resources -- but it's looking in [/home/ptbb2/brlcad//share/brlcad/7.8.3] and that directory exists and contains data...
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16:48.48 IriX64 ValarQ: i showed you mine...
16:56.51 ValarQ IriX64: what?
17:10.25 IriX64 heh we were comparing desktops.
18:11.13 ValarQ yeah, you showed me a couple (never the 8 rightmost pixels thought)
20:22.28 ``Erik ...
20:23.41 ValarQ hello mr Erik
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21:38.55 ``Erik <-- scratches his brain
21:46.24 Maloeran brlcad, any idea where you'll be staying? Monacco and Guest house are full, don't bother trying
21:46.39 brlcad not yet
21:47.39 brlcad i'll figure that bit out tomorrow morning I think
21:48.00 Maloeran I'll be at A there : http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&sll=40.73282,-111.814127&sspn=0.054633,0.107975&q=best+western&ie=UTF8&om=1&z=14&ll=40.756295,-111.86657&spn=0.054614,0.107975
21:48.44 brlcad hmm.. best western, eh..
21:49.30 Maloeran About the only thing reasonably close I could find, just so you don't search too long either, if you want
21:50.09 brlcad not a huge fan of BW but thanks for the tip
21:50.33 Maloeran Oh? I don't have a clue what kind of place this is :)
21:50.47 brlcad i can't really imagine this conference having more than a couple hundred people at best, probably way less
21:51.39 brlcad yeah, best westerns are sort of like shopping at walmart .. just your basic no-frills hotel for most of them
21:53.19 Maloeran I see, I'm not too picky on comfort personally. They got a bed and internet, so... :)
21:54.26 brlcad i'm not picky on the comfort, but I sure do like it when they have a gym, pool, and hot tub somewhere :)
21:54.44 brlcad internet and bed are pretty much a baseline requirement
21:55.42 ``Erik uh
21:55.48 ``Erik you expect internet access at a best western?
21:55.50 ``Erik BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
21:55.51 ``Erik :)
21:56.39 ``Erik (unless they've changed recently)
21:56.44 brlcad ooh, there's a marriott right there
21:57.01 ``Erik searched for bus lines yet, mal?
21:57.03 Maloeran They claimed to have internet on their website anyway
21:57.12 Maloeran I'm pondering bringing a bicycle or not
21:57.40 ``Erik internet in the room? or in a "business center"?
21:58.23 Maloeran No clue. Features : Hot Tub Free Breakfast Dry Cleaning & Laundry Fitness Center/Health Club Pool Room Service High Speed Internet
21:58.54 Maloeran Anyway, I have traveled through France on a bicycle and occasionally sleeping without a bed, I'll survive :)
21:58.57 brlcad that's rather unusual for a best western
22:00.17 brlcad Maloeran: how do you fly with your bike?
22:00.25 brlcad you have a case?
22:00.35 Maloeran I pack it in a cardboard box, the ones they sell bicycles in
22:00.35 ``Erik wow, someone gave them a whole two stars
22:00.43 brlcad heh
22:01.27 Maloeran You are so picky :). And to think that I was almost put off by the "Deluxe Quality Room, Oversized Room", trying to find something more nromal
22:01.30 Maloeran normal, even
22:02.49 ``Erik sorry, I'm used to travelling with business accomodations :) sheratons, etc...
22:03.03 brlcad i don't mind roughing it myself, heck I wouldn't mind pitching a tent -- but when it pertains to business, I'll take the accommodations any day
22:03.09 Maloeran Internet seems to be hotel amenity and not for guest rooms. They provide an alarm clock though!
22:03.14 ``Erik no motel8's and holiday inns
22:03.24 ``Erik uh, I don't want to hear about you pitching a tend, dude
22:03.39 brlcad heh
22:03.41 ``Erik (now if I were going on my own dime, yeah, I'd be going a bit cheaper)
22:03.43 Maloeran A tent and a bicycle is all you need to travel :)
22:03.49 ``Erik I mean, i've slept in cars before **shrug*
22:07.38 Maloeran Well, I suppose I could cancel the reservation if it's as bad as you suggest. Internet doesn't seem to be a guest room feature
22:07.50 Maloeran Do they refund or it's just cancelled? :)
22:10.55 brlcad depends on the hotel and their cancellation policy
22:11.05 ``Erik um, depends on their policy and how early you cancel... like I said earlier, when going to a conference; get a room as soon as possible and ask about their cancellation policy
22:11.23 brlcad i wouldn't cancel it until you have something else, and it really may be fine for you
22:11.37 brlcad i was spoiled on business travel *years* ago
22:11.49 ``Erik well, it'll be a room... I mean, perfectly suitable
22:12.09 ``Erik and if you don't like the specific one you get, you can always ask for another room *shrug*
22:12.15 brlcad heh
22:12.44 brlcad like choosing between mcdonalds and wendys
22:12.51 ``Erik *nod*
22:12.52 Maloeran The apparent lack of internet in guest rooms is puzzling
22:13.45 brlcad if you're under the same reqs, you just have to keep an eye out on per diem rates and what not
22:13.45 ``Erik internet in room is more of an business and better class thing :/
22:14.01 Maloeran "Cancel Policy: Cancel before 4PM hotel time on Sep 16, 2006 to avoid a charge" Okay, no problem there
22:14.28 ``Erik make sure you have board lined up before cancelling, though... if you can't find anything else and it gets taken when you're looking, you'll be screwed..
22:15.02 Maloeran Sure. I'm tempted to trust brlcad's judgement and wisdom in these matters
22:15.53 Maloeran Besides, I suspect he might rent a car which, if you don't mind, could be appreciated by a passenger if possible
22:17.15 brlcad that'll depend on how far away the hotel I get is, so won't know till tomorrow
22:18.09 brlcad if it's within a 15-20 min drive or so, I'd probably just stick to cabs and public transportation
22:18.19 brlcad if it's farther, I'll get a car
22:20.15 Maloeran Right.
22:21.17 Maloeran I always relied on bicycle and don't have a driving license, something fairly rare in the united states it seems
22:21.35 brlcad in general, yeah
22:21.53 brlcad unless you live in a city almost exclusively
22:30.30 ``Erik like, downtown city, not burbland
22:30.45 ``Erik and it depends on the city, heh...
22:32.10 brlcad yeah, and what someone considers a "city" :) pretty much limited to big cities really that have prevalent public transportation
22:32.39 Maloeran Indeed, and Montreal's subway is quite nice
22:33.04 ``Erik lots of "big" cities have almost no public transportation,a nd some small ones do...
22:33.45 ``Erik east coast cities tend to be laid out in a fashion far more viable for not having a car... midwest, southern, and most western ones are not friendly in that regard...
22:34.05 brlcad when I lived in panama city, I would have never needed a car for most trips really.. a $3 cab ride would get you just about *anywhere* and like 40% of the cars on the road were cabs, not to mention the 25 cent buses that went everywhere
22:34.18 ``Erik just make sure it's a real cab? heh
22:34.57 brlcad nah, a lot of them were not "real" .. just some shmoe that slapped a sticker on his car and would charge you a couple bucks to take you somewhere
22:34.59 Maloeran I'm guessing that depends of the local culture Erik ; if I'm not mistaken, many americans see a car as much more than a mean of transportation
22:35.11 Maloeran Something like a social icon to reflect your personality, maybe
22:35.16 ``Erik yeah
22:35.28 ``Erik thus all the effort to dress them up
22:35.33 ``Erik or try to buy a fancy one
22:35.33 ``Erik heh
22:35.34 ``Erik :D
22:35.39 brlcad still totally depends on where you live and where you need to go
22:35.57 Maloeran Which is of course quite unreasonable, right Erik? :)
22:36.01 ``Erik 23" spinner rims and hydrolics are not exactly utilitarian
22:36.13 brlcad people living exclusively in the cities rarely see them as icons imho
22:36.15 ``Erik oh, I bought my car for more than general transportation
22:36.23 ``Erik I wanted the "performance" aspect
22:36.36 ``Erik depends on which part of which city, dude
22:36.48 ``Erik look for, say
22:36.50 brlcad the thing is that 90% of the population doesn't live in the cities, they live in suburbia or on the edges or in the middle of nowhere
22:36.51 ``Erik spinner rims in the ghetto.
22:37.39 Maloeran It was peculiar really, SUVs are rare in Montreal, they were all over the place in Belcamp/Edgewood
22:39.22 ``Erik it's actually a fairly 'green' vehicle... 33mph...
22:39.26 ``Erik mpg, rather
22:41.11 brlcad it's also not really a useful comparison, major city versus some township on the far outskirts of a major city
22:41.35 Maloeran 33 miles per gallon = 14.0297423 kilometers per liter You know, Google really impresses me on that one
22:41.46 brlcad there are too many suv's in the u.s. for certain, but I'd suspect you'll find a similar trend on the outskirts of .ca cities too
22:41.55 ``Erik oddly enough... townships in the sticks are more walkable than many downtown or suburban areas
22:42.21 ``Erik I'm told that if you get away from the cities or border in canuckia, big duallie crew cab trucks are very common
22:42.28 brlcad yay for metrics, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_metropolitan_area
22:42.36 Maloeran True brlcad, but it's also a matter of culture. European cars of 2 places are very popular in the province of Quebec, and that's the only place in all of North America where they sell any ; there's no market elsewhere
22:42.44 brlcad ahh, didn't know that b'more was separated from dc recently
22:43.05 ``Erik huh? of two places? O.o
22:43.32 brlcad heh, most european cars fail basic standards tests
22:44.07 ``Erik the small ones fail safety tests, and many fail emissions tests... the us is more anal than canuckia...
22:44.15 brlcad little trucks with 12 inch rims that peak out at 55mph, heh
22:44.18 ``Erik like, eurospec m3's were sent to ca, but couldn't be sent to the us :/
22:44.27 Maloeran Yes, I don't know if these cars really are meant for the highways
22:46.41 ``Erik (oddly enough, europe has more stringent front collision requirements... but less with side and rear impact, go figure.... (45mph vs our 35mph))
22:47.36 brlcad hm
22:47.48 brlcad neither of those really help me when I'm doing triple digits on I95
22:47.58 ``Erik hahaha, true
22:48.33 ``Erik 160kph is a bit brisk :)
22:49.51 Maloeran Definitely not an energy efficient speed :), on top of being illegal and a few other details
22:50.04 ``Erik um, depends on where
22:50.09 brlcad http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore-Washington_Metropolitan_Area hmm 8M
22:50.29 ``Erik many roads in the world have no top speed limit, including a few in the US
22:51.01 ``Erik colorado, I think, doesn't have daytime upper speed limits on some roads?

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