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02:41.23 IriX64 Hey twingy, what's your heat source?
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09:02.46 LibertyTrooper Know nothing newbie alert
09:04.01 LibertyTrooper So, anyone home?
09:04.15 LibertyTrooper Or, is it too late in da evening?
09:16.48 LibertyTrooper So, this is probably futile; I'm attempting to run BRLCAD on OSX and not having luck. Of course, I'm simply executing the /usr/brlcad/bin/mged command but I've tried passing it tank.g as an option.
09:17.03 LibertyTrooper I get some error mumbo jumbo : Major opcode of failed request: 129
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09:17.20 LibertyTrooper perhaps someone can shed some light on this?
09:17.45 LibertyTrooper of course, don't everyone say everything at once. I mean.. its just botland it seems.
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09:18.39 LibertyTrooper funny, I thought the AUP specifically stated No Bots. Perhaps I am wrong :?
09:25.40 archivist its irc you need to wait a bit
09:40.00 LibertyTrooper back. I'm using a new IRC client and multi tasking over several different computers. Please bear with me.
09:40.43 archivist people who know brlcad on OSX are on US time
09:41.10 LibertyTrooper I really have to stop being a nightowl I suppose :)
09:42.32 LibertyTrooper I probably should find something less complex than BRLCAD...
09:44.36 LibertyTrooper Any recommendations?
09:52.06 LibertyTrooper It used to be that one couldn't find good CAD/CAM systems on Windows. They had to run on Unix. These days, though, its impossible to find anything reasonable that runs on the largest installed base of Unix around - MacOS :(
09:52.29 LibertyTrooper The worst thing is that I'm a recent refugee from Windows... Just as I was once a refugee from *nix to windows
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10:34.20 brlcad mm.. impatience
10:36.14 archivist very
10:36.57 archivist i cant believe "largest installed base of Unix around - MacOS"
10:52.02 brlcad i've heard that quoted in many various forms and forums, at least for desktop computing
10:52.27 brlcad not hard to buy in terms of largest unix-based vendor, though a lot harder to quantify as the largest installed base
10:54.56 brlcad can't exactly readily measure how many use the various linux and bsds quite as easily since they don't equate to sales so directly
10:55.46 clock_ brlcad: if you sell a macos does it mean it's installed?
10:56.46 brlcad i presume you mean, if apple sells a mac, does it mean mac os is installed?
10:57.03 archivist easier to mesure in terms of downloads for each op system
10:57.06 brlcad of course not, but I'd venture 99% of macs retain mac os x
10:57.56 brlcad the minority that buy a mac and then erase it to install linux is a vast minority in the big scheme of things, so you can generally equate the sales as OS users
10:59.23 brlcad archivist: nah, downloads can be quite skewed.. heck I've downloaded 5 different linux variants over the past month alone and only got around to installing two of them
10:59.43 brlcad neither of which am I using, was just testing
11:01.09 archivist just as likely to be testing on other systems so the ratio of one to another is the clue stick
11:01.39 brlcad huh?
11:02.02 brlcad it's maybe informative as a bsd vs linux metric, but tells me rather nothing about the OS's that I don't download
11:03.24 archivist Im thinking of qty of apps downloaded for operating systems not the op systems themselves
11:03.36 brlcad the closest you can get to comparing there is probably by looking at web visitor stats, pick a site that has a fairly minimal bias and compare visitor's OSs or such
11:03.48 brlcad ahh, perhaps
11:04.14 brlcad though even there, different OS have different trends in how you obtain software
11:04.59 brlcad I frequently buy Mac software, I don't generally ever buy linux software -- I rarely download mac software in comparison
11:05.46 brlcad finding a piece of software that didn't have a user bias would be even harder than finding a website I'd imagine
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11:06.45 brlcad (e.g. i'd suspect there's a lot more linux users that download firefox, even compared to windows downloads, simply due to the user bases and prevalent use)
11:07.26 brlcad looking at stats for something like google or maybe cnn (us and international ed.) would be most telling
11:21.49 archivist I spend a lot of time in #mysql and a large proportion of questions are from linux/bsd users but mysql state that windows binaries have a larger download qty (probably skewed by distros supplied stuff)
11:41.40 brlcad heh, that's biased on so many levels
11:42.20 archivist all stats are biased
11:43.09 brlcad sure they are, which is why it's important to minimize the bias where possible if you want to derive any sense out of the stats
11:44.12 archivist please dont remind be of Open University Statistics
11:44.25 brlcad referring to how many people on a relatively obscure communication forum ask questions about a relatively market specific piece of software doesn't really say much at all :)
11:50.14 brlcad which is why I mentioned site visitors, if it's installed desktop OS user base we're going after, then one thing almost universal these days is internet browsing .. picking a site that has fairly global appeal/popularity to minimize market/cultural/regional bias, ergo looking at stats for a place like yahoo, cnn, ebay, google, etc
11:50.50 brlcad with that, I'd expect you might be able to get the error down to just a couple percentage points
11:57.25 brlcad anyhow, we're not likely to get those stats until the big name sites tally up their results for us or provide some sort of interface to data mine
11:58.37 archivist hehe that will be the day, thinking about "errors" I gota go to a gear manufacturer to take some gears back this afternoon, they through hardened so I cannot machine the hubs
13:52.11 ``Erik *yawn*
14:00.15 Maloeran m��
14:02.18 Maloeran For that random thought which triggered a reconstruction of the side traversal, you'll be forced to have your name in the future paper Erik :)
14:03.56 ``Erik heh
14:04.03 ``Erik is the reconstruction... beneficial? :D
14:04.36 Maloeran Theorically, it could save about 5-10% memory and speed up the traversal a tiny bit
14:04.46 ``Erik sweet
14:05.06 ``Erik <-- does the "creepy cg diaper baby dance"
14:05.10 Maloeran Basically, it will be some weird tree where some following nodes can be fetched at fixed offsets, as in a list
14:06.01 Maloeran Hum, more like 4-7% less memory
14:07.01 ``Erik oh, um, that's actually a fairly well known approach... first year CS stuff, dude...
14:07.45 Maloeran I know, but I need to store sector pointers when we jump out of the node tree there as well
14:10.53 Maloeran Originally, I couldn't do that as nodes were being reused by neighbour sectors for connections, but that's not quite compatible with dynamic geometry support and doesn't save much ( the prototype does that )
14:11.31 Maloeran I noticed you were reading about convenience libraries, any news on that? :)
14:12.29 ``Erik oh, um, I actually had the library wired into your program
14:12.52 ``Erik but gcc does some funny things, apparently it does not like holding the symbol for global variables
14:13.05 ``Erik which you use a few of :) (like mmCount would be undefined outside of mm.o)
14:13.26 Maloeran Oh, hum.
14:20.42 Maloeran Any thought then? Just #ifdef away these global variables for memory tracking?
14:55.41 ``Erik well, the globals being in the object are fine... it's accessing them that's tricky... personally write "accessor" functions *shrug*
14:55.49 ``Erik but we can always figure something else out *shrug*
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22:03.18 Maloeran Justin's url for a laptop battery recommendation scrolled out of the irc buffer by a few lines, can anyone copy that for me?..
22:05.53 IriX64 what brand laptop?
22:07.57 Maloeran Acer 3000, 3003wlmi more precisely
22:18.37 IriX64 try www.acer.com or www.acer.ca.
22:24.24 Maloeran "Microsoft VBScript compilation error '800a03e9' Out of memory /vs/go/acer-aspire-notebook.asp, line 0" Out of memory, I like that :)
22:26.18 IriX64 :)
22:33.39 IriX64 $ gcc --version
22:33.39 IriX64 gcc (GCC) 4.1.1
22:33.40 IriX64 Copyright (C) 2006 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
22:33.40 IriX64 This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO
22:33.40 IriX64 warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
22:33.50 IriX64 IriX64@hagarsfi-f038a0 ~/brlcad-10.0.0look familiar? ;)
22:36.05 IriX64 smokity break. :)
22:57.22 ``Erik yes, looks like dumbass in motion. :D
23:15.23 Twingy my heat source?

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