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IriX64 |
Hey twingy, what's your heat source? |
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09:02.46 |
LibertyTrooper |
Know nothing newbie alert |
09:04.01 |
LibertyTrooper |
So, anyone home? |
09:04.15 |
LibertyTrooper |
Or, is it too late in da evening? |
09:16.48 |
LibertyTrooper |
So, this is probably futile; I'm attempting to
run BRLCAD on OSX and not having luck. Of course, I'm simply
executing the /usr/brlcad/bin/mged command but I've tried passing
it tank.g as an option. |
09:17.03 |
LibertyTrooper |
I get some error mumbo jumbo : Major opcode
of failed request: 129 |
09:17.20 |
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09:17.20 |
LibertyTrooper |
perhaps someone can shed some light on
this? |
09:17.45 |
LibertyTrooper |
of course, don't everyone say everything at
once. I mean.. its just botland it seems. |
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09:18.39 |
LibertyTrooper |
funny, I thought the AUP specifically stated
No Bots. Perhaps I am wrong :? |
09:25.40 |
archivist |
its irc you need to wait a bit |
09:40.00 |
LibertyTrooper |
back. I'm using a new IRC client and multi
tasking over several different computers. Please bear with
me. |
09:40.43 |
archivist |
people who know brlcad on OSX are on US
time |
09:41.10 |
LibertyTrooper |
I really have to stop being a nightowl I
suppose :) |
09:42.32 |
LibertyTrooper |
I probably should find something less complex
than BRLCAD... |
09:44.36 |
LibertyTrooper |
Any recommendations? |
09:52.06 |
LibertyTrooper |
It used to be that one couldn't find good
CAD/CAM systems on Windows. They had to run on Unix. These days,
though, its impossible to find anything reasonable that runs on the
largest installed base of Unix around - MacOS :( |
09:52.29 |
LibertyTrooper |
The worst thing is that I'm a recent refugee
from Windows... Just as I was once a refugee from *nix to
windows |
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LibertyTrooper
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10:34.20 |
brlcad |
mm.. impatience |
10:36.14 |
archivist |
very |
10:36.57 |
archivist |
i cant believe "largest installed base of Unix
around - MacOS" |
10:52.02 |
brlcad |
i've heard that quoted in many various forms
and forums, at least for desktop computing |
10:52.27 |
brlcad |
not hard to buy in terms of largest unix-based
vendor, though a lot harder to quantify as the largest installed
base |
10:54.56 |
brlcad |
can't exactly readily measure how many use the
various linux and bsds quite as easily since they don't equate to
sales so directly |
10:55.46 |
clock_ |
brlcad: if you sell a macos does it mean it's
installed? |
10:56.46 |
brlcad |
i presume you mean, if apple sells a mac, does
it mean mac os is installed? |
10:57.03 |
archivist |
easier to mesure in terms of downloads for
each op system |
10:57.06 |
brlcad |
of course not, but I'd venture 99% of macs
retain mac os x |
10:57.56 |
brlcad |
the minority that buy a mac and then erase it
to install linux is a vast minority in the big scheme of things, so
you can generally equate the sales as OS users |
10:59.23 |
brlcad |
archivist: nah, downloads can be quite
skewed.. heck I've downloaded 5 different linux variants over the
past month alone and only got around to installing two of
them |
10:59.43 |
brlcad |
neither of which am I using, was just
testing |
11:01.09 |
archivist |
just as likely to be testing on other systems
so the ratio of one to another is the clue stick |
11:01.39 |
brlcad |
huh? |
11:02.02 |
brlcad |
it's maybe informative as a bsd vs linux
metric, but tells me rather nothing about the OS's that I don't
download |
11:03.24 |
archivist |
Im thinking of qty of apps downloaded for
operating systems not the op systems themselves |
11:03.36 |
brlcad |
the closest you can get to comparing there is
probably by looking at web visitor stats, pick a site that has a
fairly minimal bias and compare visitor's OSs or such |
11:03.48 |
brlcad |
ahh, perhaps |
11:04.14 |
brlcad |
though even there, different OS have different
trends in how you obtain software |
11:04.59 |
brlcad |
I frequently buy Mac software, I don't
generally ever buy linux software -- I rarely download mac software
in comparison |
11:05.46 |
brlcad |
finding a piece of software that didn't have a
user bias would be even harder than finding a website I'd
imagine |
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brlcad |
(e.g. i'd suspect there's a lot more linux
users that download firefox, even compared to windows downloads,
simply due to the user bases and prevalent use) |
11:07.26 |
brlcad |
looking at stats for something like google or
maybe cnn (us and international ed.) would be most
telling |
11:21.49 |
archivist |
I spend a lot of time in #mysql and a large
proportion of questions are from linux/bsd users but mysql state
that windows binaries have a larger download qty (probably skewed
by distros supplied stuff) |
11:41.40 |
brlcad |
heh, that's biased on so many levels |
11:42.20 |
archivist |
all stats are biased |
11:43.09 |
brlcad |
sure they are, which is why it's important to
minimize the bias where possible if you want to derive any sense
out of the stats |
11:44.12 |
archivist |
please dont remind be of Open University
Statistics |
11:44.25 |
brlcad |
referring to how many people on a relatively
obscure communication forum ask questions about a relatively market
specific piece of software doesn't really say much at all
:) |
11:50.14 |
brlcad |
which is why I mentioned site visitors, if
it's installed desktop OS user base we're going after, then one
thing almost universal these days is internet browsing .. picking a
site that has fairly global appeal/popularity to minimize
market/cultural/regional bias, ergo looking at stats for a place
like yahoo, cnn, ebay, google, etc |
11:50.50 |
brlcad |
with that, I'd expect you might be able to get
the error down to just a couple percentage points |
11:57.25 |
brlcad |
anyhow, we're not likely to get those stats
until the big name sites tally up their results for us or provide
some sort of interface to data mine |
11:58.37 |
archivist |
hehe that will be the day, thinking about
"errors" I gota go to a gear manufacturer to take some gears back
this afternoon, they through hardened so I cannot machine the
hubs |
13:52.11 |
``Erik |
*yawn* |
14:00.15 |
Maloeran |
m�� |
14:02.18 |
Maloeran |
For that random thought which triggered a
reconstruction of the side traversal, you'll be forced to have your
name in the future paper Erik :) |
14:03.56 |
``Erik |
heh |
14:04.03 |
``Erik |
is the reconstruction... beneficial?
:D |
14:04.36 |
Maloeran |
Theorically, it could save about 5-10% memory
and speed up the traversal a tiny bit |
14:04.46 |
``Erik |
sweet |
14:05.06 |
``Erik |
<-- does the "creepy cg diaper baby
dance" |
14:05.10 |
Maloeran |
Basically, it will be some weird tree where
some following nodes can be fetched at fixed offsets, as in a
list |
14:06.01 |
Maloeran |
Hum, more like 4-7% less memory |
14:07.01 |
``Erik |
oh, um, that's actually a fairly well known
approach... first year CS stuff, dude... |
14:07.45 |
Maloeran |
I know, but I need to store sector pointers
when we jump out of the node tree there as well |
14:10.53 |
Maloeran |
Originally, I couldn't do that as nodes were
being reused by neighbour sectors for connections, but that's not
quite compatible with dynamic geometry support and doesn't save
much ( the prototype does that ) |
14:11.31 |
Maloeran |
I noticed you were reading about convenience
libraries, any news on that? :) |
14:12.29 |
``Erik |
oh, um, I actually had the library wired into
your program |
14:12.52 |
``Erik |
but gcc does some funny things, apparently it
does not like holding the symbol for global variables |
14:13.05 |
``Erik |
which you use a few of :) (like mmCount would
be undefined outside of mm.o) |
14:13.26 |
Maloeran |
Oh, hum. |
14:20.42 |
Maloeran |
Any thought then? Just #ifdef away these
global variables for memory tracking? |
14:55.41 |
``Erik |
well, the globals being in the object are
fine... it's accessing them that's tricky... personally write
"accessor" functions *shrug* |
14:55.49 |
``Erik |
but we can always figure something else out
*shrug* |
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22:03.18 |
Maloeran |
Justin's url for a laptop battery
recommendation scrolled out of the irc buffer by a few lines, can
anyone copy that for me?.. |
22:05.53 |
IriX64 |
what brand laptop? |
22:07.57 |
Maloeran |
Acer 3000, 3003wlmi more precisely |
22:18.37 |
IriX64 |
try www.acer.com or www.acer.ca. |
22:24.24 |
Maloeran |
"Microsoft VBScript compilation error
'800a03e9' Out of memory /vs/go/acer-aspire-notebook.asp,
line 0" Out of memory, I like that :) |
22:26.18 |
IriX64 |
:) |
22:33.39 |
IriX64 |
$ gcc --version |
22:33.39 |
IriX64 |
gcc (GCC) 4.1.1 |
22:33.40 |
IriX64 |
Copyright (C) 2006 Free Software Foundation,
Inc. |
22:33.40 |
IriX64 |
This is free software; see the source for
copying conditions. There is NO |
22:33.40 |
IriX64 |
warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or
FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. |
22:33.50 |
IriX64 |
IriX64@hagarsfi-f038a0 ~/brlcad-10.0.0look
familiar? ;) |
22:36.05 |
IriX64 |
smokity break. :) |
22:57.22 |
``Erik |
yes, looks like dumbass in motion.
:D |
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Twingy |
my heat source? |