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LibertyTrooper
(n=LibertyT@wsip-24-234-123-169.lv.lv.cox.net) |
02:41.58 |
LibertyTrooper |
Hello |
02:42.03 |
LibertyTrooper |
Anyone home? |
02:44.08 |
Twingy |
Jeep Liberty, Isuzu Trooper? |
02:44.27 |
LibertyTrooper |
Libertarian in a Honda |
02:45.09 |
LibertyTrooper |
Actually, I have a password program that I
also use to generate forum nick's. |
02:45.16 |
LibertyTrooper |
And this is what it came up with. |
02:46.00 |
LibertyTrooper |
Are you familiar with running BRLCad on
OSX? |
02:57.39 |
brlcad |
several are |
02:57.53 |
brlcad |
best to just ask your real question
:) |
02:59.09 |
LibertyTrooper |
Well... I cannot get mged to run at
all. |
03:00.31 |
brlcad |
if you run /usr/brlcad/bin/mged in xterm, what
does it do? |
03:00.45 |
LibertyTrooper |
it gives me an error. One moment. |
03:00.56 |
brlcad |
~pastebin |
03:00.57 |
ibot |
pastebin is probably a place to paste your
stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.com/ (BROKEN AND SUCKING
NUTS), or http://pastebin.ca, or
http://channels.debian.net/paste,
or for #oe use http://oe.pastebin.com, or http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/, or
http://paste.lisp.org/ for the
lisp/scheme nuts, or http://paste-it.net |
03:04.07 |
LibertyTrooper |
One moment while I figure out why X won't
start now. |
03:11.44 |
LibertyTrooper |
http://pastebin.ca/189491 |
03:12.26 |
brlcad |
ack |
03:12.29 |
brlcad |
opengl error |
03:12.34 |
brlcad |
what's your video card there? |
03:12.49 |
brlcad |
and what depth is your display set
to? |
03:12.58 |
LibertyTrooper |
Whatever comes in a Macbook Pro ...
:) |
03:13.10 |
brlcad |
hmmm.. |
03:13.16 |
brlcad |
did you compile yourself? |
03:13.20 |
brlcad |
or using the binary |
03:13.32 |
LibertyTrooper |
I'm using the binary. |
03:14.23 |
brlcad |
that's somewhat odd then.. |
03:14.24 |
LibertyTrooper |
I suppose I could try to compile it myself.
But its been years since I compiled anything under X much less any
flavor of Unix. |
03:14.58 |
LibertyTrooper |
I've got the Apple X11 installation straight
from the CD ( I just installed it again to make sure everything was
vanilla) |
03:15.18 |
brlcad |
compiling under the macbook pro's hasn't been
fully tested yet frankly as I've been putting more effort into
decoupling from X11 instead |
03:15.27 |
LibertyTrooper |
Its a Radeon X1600 with 256/VRAM |
03:15.51 |
LibertyTrooper |
(video) |
03:16.01 |
brlcad |
it could be some rosetta/x11 issue |
03:16.16 |
brlcad |
it's not a universal binary there |
03:16.42 |
brlcad |
does mged -c work? |
03:17.12 |
brlcad |
that kicks off classic console mode |
03:17.55 |
LibertyTrooper |
seems to start a console. Asks me to attach
nullXlog? |
03:18.37 |
brlcad |
nu |
03:18.40 |
LibertyTrooper |
Sorry. I suppose that BRLCad is something
that is way beyond my meager skills. I simply wanted to take a
look at it because we do a lot with Motion control etc. |
03:19.06 |
brlcad |
ooh, here's a thread on the apple mailing list
-- some issue with the x11 intel binary |
03:19.09 |
LibertyTrooper |
Its got an mged prompt |
03:19.40 |
brlcad |
that's good to know -- correlates with the
mailing list info I just found -- go ahead and quit and try
this: |
03:19.44 |
brlcad |
export LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1 |
03:19.47 |
brlcad |
then try again |
03:19.51 |
brlcad |
(without -c) |
03:20.03 |
dtidrow |
always inderect? |
03:20.17 |
dtidrow |
indirect, rather |
03:20.37 |
LibertyTrooper |
Got what seems to be the editor :) |
03:20.54 |
Maloeran |
Indirect opengl rendering, if there's no real
hardware implementation available.. |
03:21.30 |
brlcad |
yeah, it's bypassing the x11 opengl context,
there seems to be a bug or endian issue at least in the x11
client |
03:21.46 |
brlcad |
(according to this mini-thread I just stumbled
across) |
03:21.54 |
dtidrow |
yuck |
03:22.09 |
brlcad |
means nothing to mged, doesn't
need/benefit |
03:22.29 |
dtidrow |
probably, but sucks for other things |
03:22.40 |
LibertyTrooper |
Ok. Now I can being to figure this out.
Thanks *very* much. |
03:22.46 |
LibertyTrooper |
I can begin |
03:22.49 |
brlcad |
LibertyTrooper: glad it worked, good to
know |
03:23.04 |
brlcad |
LibertyTrooper: the tutorial series on the
website is generally the place to start |
03:23.07 |
brlcad |
and the other docs there |
03:23.12 |
dtidrow |
you guys see the latest in SCOvWorld
saga? |
03:23.15 |
brlcad |
http://brlcad.org |
03:23.19 |
LibertyTrooper |
I've downloaded them all. |
03:23.49 |
brlcad |
LibertyTrooper: ah, best of luck then -- feel
free to report any problems or make feature requests that come to
mind |
03:23.56 |
brlcad |
dtidrow: nope |
03:24.02 |
LibertyTrooper |
SCO... are they still around? |
03:24.09 |
dtidrow |
barely |
03:24.41 |
dtidrow |
and if IBM & Novell get their way, SCO
will be in Chap7 by the end of the year |
03:25.40 |
dtidrow |
Novell wants their 95% cut of the extra
licenses that SCO sold to Sun and M$ |
03:25.57 |
brlcad |
heh |
03:26.08 |
LibertyTrooper |
Ok. Funny.. I used to work with SCO systems
90-92... Was "adequate" system and company then. Very good
support; relatively speaking. |
03:26.13 |
dtidrow |
which is about $25M - SCO is only worth
$40M |
03:27.01 |
dtidrow |
this is NewSCO - used to be (and soon will be
again) Caldera |
03:27.03 |
dtidrow |
;-) |
03:27.23 |
LibertyTrooper |
<PROTECTED> |
03:27.33 |
dtidrow |
heh |
03:27.37 |
LibertyTrooper |
but = buy |
03:27.44 |
LibertyTrooper |
I cannot type today it seems. |
03:27.45 |
dtidrow |
or get in on an IPO |
03:28.49 |
brlcad |
and to this a lot of this started over sco's
left hand not knowing what their right hand did years before,
releasing some of their own abi and code as open source |
03:29.29 |
brlcad |
later finding that code in the linux kernel
and thinking oh noes! dey stole frum us! |
03:29.30 |
dtidrow |
I've still got some VA Software stock from
their IPO - was able to get 100 shares at $30, sold 20 at $210,
another 20 at $104, kept the rest |
03:30.26 |
LibertyTrooper |
I remember years ago, when I was in the Army,
that SCO seemed to be everywhere :) |
03:30.59 |
dtidrow |
brlcad: it was more like "We need some money
fast - let's extort IBM!" |
03:31.41 |
dtidrow |
they are now caught between an irrestible
force and an immovable object |
03:31.43 |
LibertyTrooper |
Bah... Whomever the CEO is, cannot hope for
another job after this mess :) |
03:32.11 |
brlcad |
dtidrow: well, that too -- i think it sort of
snowballed and got out of control |
03:32.15 |
dtidrow |
LibertyTrooper: we expect him to do a perp
walk in a year or so |
03:32.21 |
Maloeran |
SCO hasn't met a horrible and painful death
yet? |
03:32.27 |
LibertyTrooper |
Yeah, dead in the water certainly is immovable
(Novell) |
03:32.39 |
dtidrow |
Maloeran: check groklaw - the fat lady is
warming up :-) |
03:36.14 |
LibertyTrooper |
Its a concert that I don't care about because
the music has already been played out. |
03:40.18 |
dtidrow |
heh |
03:40.37 |
dtidrow |
c'mon, the blood is starting to flow
:-) |
03:41.30 |
LibertyTrooper |
I've enough going on trying to get used to
using my Mac :) |
03:41.50 |
LibertyTrooper |
Though, what I've learned has convinced me
that this is going to be my platform for a long time. |
03:42.15 |
LibertyTrooper |
Especially now that there is decent
virtualization with Parallel |
03:45.58 |
LibertyTrooper |
Man, its a beautiful night here in Las
Vegas... Temperature and humidity are perfect here on the
patio. |
03:46.20 |
LibertyTrooper |
Where is everyone else? |
03:49.54 |
Maloeran |
Montreal, it's getting cool up here |
03:50.33 |
Maloeran |
Las Vegas wasn't especially warm in the
evening when I passed by 3 weeks ago |
03:50.53 |
brlcad |
a little north of baltimore, also a great
night |
03:51.21 |
LibertyTrooper |
Well, I was in Texas 3 weeks ago so I didn't
know what it was like here :) |
03:51.28 |
dtidrow |
it's been downright brisk recently, for this
time of year |
03:52.29 |
LibertyTrooper |
Texas was nice too though. I was at Matagorda
bay. The only bad thing was the mosquito's (sp?) |
03:53.00 |
brlcad |
~spell mosquito |
03:53.53 |
LibertyTrooper |
My wife seems to be especially tasty to them
as well as extremely allergic. She looked like I did the first
time I went paintballing with my friends. |
03:53.58 |
LibertyTrooper |
Only worse. |
03:54.04 |
brlcad |
heh |
03:54.27 |
dtidrow |
ouch |
03:54.55 |
dtidrow |
yeah, I'm like that too - they seem to find my
blood especially tasty |
03:56.07 |
LibertyTrooper |
I think its probably too much potassium. I
heard tell that they were attracted more to people with high
potassium levels. |
03:57.03 |
LibertyTrooper |
But perhaps the advice not to eat a banana
before venturing outside in hot humid areas is an "old wives
tale" |
03:57.55 |
LibertyTrooper |
I appreciate the help. I've got just enough
going my way now to be very annoying with my questions about BRLCad
:) |
04:02.14 |
LibertyTrooper |
Oh, btw, anyone have an opinion of
sketchup? |
04:05.26 |
brlcad |
it's a rather nice modeling-for-the-masses
tool with some decent ideas |
04:06.14 |
LibertyTrooper |
I found some of its tools and related concepts
to be very easy. Others were not quite so intuitive
though. |
04:06.14 |
brlcad |
not a solid modeler in the least, or well
suited to any sort of CAd or engineering really, but it serves
their purpose quite nicely |
04:07.15 |
LibertyTrooper |
BRLCad is suited to machine simulations,
yes? |
04:08.56 |
brlcad |
what do you mean by machine
simulations? |
04:09.06 |
LibertyTrooper |
My unfamiliarity with the technical terms for
exactly what I'm trying to ask probably leads to some confusion.
In other words, one can design a simple gear and then us BRLCad to
simulate its action in the real world. Would this statement be
accurate or inaccurate? |
04:09.59 |
brlcad |
hm accurate yes, though the answer is a bit of
a convoluted "sorta" yes and no |
04:10.11 |
LibertyTrooper |
LOL :) |
04:10.42 |
brlcad |
there are currently no parametrics or
contraints that you'd normally want to perform a realistic
geometric simulation *automatically* |
04:11.44 |
brlcad |
there are, however, all of the facilities to
represent that gear correctly to a given physical representation,
validate that representation, and apply modifications according to
some simulation (rotate the gear, ensure there are no overlaps,
etc) |
04:12.12 |
LibertyTrooper |
Ok. Thats somewhat of the answer for which I
was looking. |
04:13.13 |
LibertyTrooper |
Thanks again. I'm going to refrain from any
more questions tonight. Goodnight all :) |
04:13.23 |
brlcad |
g'night! |
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LibertyTrooper
(n=LibertyT@wsip-24-234-123-169.lv.lv.cox.net) |
11:49.09 |
``Erik |
ehhhh |
11:50.08 |
ValveQ |
hello Erik |
11:52.18 |
``Erik |
'sup? |
11:53.20 |
ValveQ |
coding some simple CAM function |
11:53.41 |
ValveQ |
for iso g-code generation |
11:53.58 |
ValveQ |
(very brlcad unrelated) |
11:54.12 |
``Erik |
heh, didja look at "gcam"? |
11:55.03 |
ValveQ |
no |
11:55.50 |
``Erik |
http://gcam.js.cx/ |
11:56.08 |
ValveQ |
i can't find anything there |
11:56.21 |
``Erik |
well, it's not released yet, heh, but
supposedly will be soon |
11:57.03 |
ValveQ |
ok... |
11:57.07 |
``Erik |
:D |
11:58.04 |
ValveQ |
i was thinking of implementing something
thinner in Haskell |
11:59.19 |
``Erik |
heh, haskell is fun, I played with it some
back in, um, '00 ? |
11:59.39 |
``Erik |
a lot of scheme back then, too... the scheme
stuck, however |
12:01.27 |
ValveQ |
Haskell is pretty usefull as well |
12:02.17 |
ValveQ |
at least when you learn to use the more
advanced stuff anyway (monads,arrows) :) |
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17:49.14 |
brlcad |
hmm |
17:50.26 |
brlcad |
~nslookup gcam.js.cx |
17:51.57 |
brlcad |
~nslookup 74.92.144.217 |
17:53.19 |
brlcad |
that server times out on dns queries |
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archivist |
hmm worked earlier |
17:59.04 |
archivist |
self hosting like me probably? |
18:03.13 |
``Erik |
heh |