| 00:00.23 | IriX64 | could it be a bug in asc2g? |
| 00:01.02 | IriX64 | still mged should *not crash. |
| 00:24.40 | ``Erik | brlcad: I saw a script in /etc/crontab for checking apache that was commented out... |
| 00:27.48 | ``Erik | and of course I could back that far out, I'm a fuckin' pro |
| 00:27.57 | ``Erik | *duck* |
| 00:49.27 | *** join/#brlcad IriX64 (n=who@bas3-sudbury98-1168056909.dsl.bell.ca) | |
| 00:52.43 | IriX64 | two instances of gcc consumes cpu. |
| 00:54.42 | IriX64 | why don't they build disk interface (and disks to go with them ) that allow a request of more data while data xfer is already in progress? sort of like full duplex communications. |
| 00:55.38 | IriX64 | eliminate the disk bottleneck or at least reduce it. |
| 00:57.34 | IriX64 | sharability test is going well. |
| 00:58.04 | ``Erik | they, uh |
| 00:58.04 | ``Erik | do |
| 00:58.06 | ``Erik | they're called scsi |
| 00:58.32 | ``Erik | sata's are starting to do a lot of the fu, too |
| 00:58.37 | ``Erik | <-- does all the time |
| 00:58.42 | ``Erik | also; I like doing make -j |
| 00:58.45 | ``Erik | wit hsome big number |
| 00:58.57 | Twingy | make -justin |
| 00:59.16 | Twingy | base 26 :D |
| 00:59.28 | ``Erik | that'd be a fairly big number there :D |
| 00:59.31 | IriX64 | err +18 |
| 01:00.16 | ``Erik | hmmmm, still not southpark season :/ |
| 01:00.38 | IriX64 | victoria secret season tho :) |
| 01:07.45 | IriX64 | on the other hand it gives the cpu a rest waiting on disk. |
| 01:14.22 | ``Erik | yeah, cpu's just love thermal shock |
| 01:16.07 | IriX64 | http://www.pastebin.ca/366985 < somethings wonky with my load avg :( |
| 01:16.49 | IriX64 | ``Erik they stay warm for quite some time especially if you provide a woolen coat :) |
| 01:18.22 | IriX64 | ahh i remember, they don't know about each other. |
| 01:20.12 | IriX64 | hahah xterm says the same thing. |
| 01:35.31 | IriX64 | msg ``Erik you like png? I'll give you png, check incoming. :) |
| 01:35.58 | IriX64 | how do i recover from that :( |
| 01:36.35 | IriX64 | and here I thought finangle passed me by sigh. |
| 01:38.28 | louipc | it takes me like 2hrs to compile brlcad :P |
| 01:39.35 | IriX64 | *ahem* let's get back on topic, soon as BRL-CAD finishes installing i'm going to see about something. |
| 01:39.53 | IriX64 | ahh thankyou for putting me back on topic louipc. |
| 01:39.56 | IriX64 | :) |
| 01:40.13 | IriX64 | 2hrs, mines about 1hr. |
| 01:40.18 | louipc | no prob |
| 01:40.37 | IriX64 | you enable-almost-everything too? |
| 01:40.59 | louipc | I'm running PIII 866 MHz 384MB RAM |
| 01:41.08 | louipc | I enable optimized |
| 01:41.09 | louipc | that's it |
| 01:41.21 | IriX64 | and it takes 2hrs? |
| 01:41.43 | louipc | yeaaah I have an old computer |
| 01:42.06 | IriX64 | overclocked obviously. |
| 01:42.15 | louipc | nope I don't do that |
| 01:42.26 | IriX64 | then why 866? |
| 01:42.59 | louipc | because that's what I bought 6yrs ago :D |
| 01:43.07 | IriX64 | heh. |
| 01:43.25 | louipc | yeah I need to upgrade hm? |
| 01:44.06 | louipc | It'll be such of a jump, my head will probably spin off |
| 01:44.26 | IriX64 | do it from parts its cheaper, the video you can probably retain. |
| 01:45.08 | louipc | I think the gfx got wonked in a storm, or my monitor |
| 01:45.40 | louipc | building from parts is never cheaper for me. I try to put in good stuff |
| 01:46.33 | louipc | but I wouldn't do it any other way |
| 01:47.11 | louipc | !? |
| 01:47.32 | louipc | where do you get such a thing? |
| 01:47.38 | Maloeran | Still installing base software for my new toy |
| 01:47.48 | Maloeran | Just bought it, received today |
| 01:48.24 | louipc | where'd you buy that from? |
| 01:48.56 | IriX64 | :) |
| 01:49.30 | Maloeran | What do you mean, louipc? I ordered the pieces at some local shop.. which is surely not available where you live |
| 01:50.02 | louipc | ah alright |
| 01:50.14 | louipc | I think the most I can get is 4 cores |
| 01:51.25 | Maloeran | Clovertown chips are 4 cores, put two on the same motherboard. Or you can put 2-4 dual-core opterons |
| 01:51.32 | louipc | ah I see |
| 01:51.53 | louipc | yeah I'd like 2 cpus |
| 01:52.46 | Maloeran | The thing is fairly noisy, but as much as my old overclocked AMD64 in a home-made plexiglass case with two 160mm 110V fans |
| 01:53.44 | Maloeran | There weren't any board that allowed overclocking of Clovertown chips, so there was no reason to motivate any exotic case building... |
| 02:00.10 | IriX64 | ermf add too. |
| 02:02.14 | IriX64 | whats the "proper" way to reinstall just one component of BRL-CAD when you toy with the individual pieces? |
| 02:03.35 | ``Erik | in the dir of the thing you mucked with, type "make install" |
| 02:03.41 | IriX64 | ahhhh louipc this should work make -changed_only install right? :) |
| 02:05.22 | ``Erik | no can do, gubmint properties |
| 02:05.36 | ``Erik | also; you couldn't handle the sheer awesomeness of fbsd |
| 02:05.37 | ``Erik | O:-) |
| 02:05.47 | IriX64 | if i lived there i'd say well i'm a taxpayer :) |
| 02:06.46 | IriX64 | say ``Erik, has Gionnini been around lately? |
| 02:07.22 | ``Erik | whowhathuh? |
| 02:07.31 | IriX64 | ;) |
| 02:08.21 | IriX64 | Navy peron don't worry bout it. |
| 02:08.27 | IriX64 | person too. |
| 02:10.58 | IriX64 | freebsd eh? |
| 02:11.18 | IriX64 | its free for a reason. (duck) |
| 02:13.58 | ``Erik | uh, yes, because it has one of the most liberal licenses in existance... that's where the name comes from... |
| 02:14.19 | ``Erik | because jolitz was being a cockbite with bsd386 |
| 02:14.58 | IriX64 | lucky for you we're not in meixed company, ermf am i sure of that? |
| 02:15.03 | IriX64 | mixed too. |
| 02:15.17 | ``Erik | and the whole at&t lawsuit thing that resulted in much rewriting of old code |
| 02:15.31 | ``Erik | resulting in bsd4.4lite |
| 02:15.49 | IriX64 | I've never had the pleasure of fbsd ``Erik, is it that good? |
| 02:16.02 | ``Erik | I like it *shrug* |
| 02:16.40 | ``Erik | fbsd is the 'unix' part of macosX, to boot |
| 02:16.52 | IriX64 | why did thet go away from the .exe thing? |
| 02:16.57 | ``Erik | uhhh |
| 02:16.59 | ``Erik | away from? |
| 02:17.21 | ``Erik | bsd predates cp/m and qdos (later brandraped to be msdos) by quite a bit |
| 02:17.26 | louipc | Maloeran: you have Intel chips? |
| 02:17.36 | IriX64 | freebsd stuff ive seen uses no extension, i assume it uses both relying on the signature in the file like most others true or false |
| 02:17.40 | IriX64 | ? |
| 02:17.48 | ``Erik | no, it relies mostly on the permissions of the file |
| 02:17.51 | ``Erik | it's a unix |
| 02:18.14 | IriX64 | execute visavisa data, that thing. |
| 02:18.46 | IriX64 | does that shield you though from DEP? |
| 02:18.54 | IriX64 | err drop the p |
| 02:19.07 | ``Erik | 'DE'? |
| 02:19.27 | IriX64 | data execution, ive read a bit about data execution prevention. |
| 02:20.01 | Maloeran | Yes louipc, AMD hasn't released their quad-cores yet.. |
| 02:20.09 | ``Erik | yeah, uh, that's something else... and very protected in some variants of bsd... obsd being the most aggressive, with the w^x paging |
| 02:20.11 | IriX64 | DEP to help protect your system from malicious code. |
| 02:20.11 | louipc | IriX64: same in linux, executables usually have no extension |
| 02:20.33 | IriX64 | ahh ty |
| 02:21.18 | louipc | Maloeran: ah I didn't think that you'd go for those |
| 02:21.27 | ``Erik | and usually it's called injection, and usually done via a stack smash |
| 02:22.04 | Maloeran | I'm all AMD usually, Intel's latest chips are supposed to be decent |
| 02:29.27 | Twingy | numaPIC |
| 02:29.44 | ``Erik | numanumanumanuma |
| 02:29.51 | Twingy | DEY TUK R JBS! |
| 02:30.01 | ``Erik | that'd be, like, the geekiest 'badger' song ever |
| 02:30.59 | Twingy | I'll tell you what, this twin engine plane is the most addictive thing ever |
| 02:31.16 | Twingy | I ran into some one else flying an electric at the high school this evening |
| 02:31.27 | Twingy | being about to fly < 1 mile from my house is awesome :) |
| 02:32.18 | ``Erik | pretty fast? |
| 02:32.32 | Twingy | moderately |
| 02:32.36 | Twingy | but it sounds awesome |
| 02:32.45 | ``Erik | heh |
| 02:32.47 | Twingy | main reason why I haven't gone electric yet |
| 02:32.50 | ``Erik | swap off htose mufflers for tuned pipes :D |
| 02:32.53 | Twingy | just doesn't sound the same |
| 02:33.10 | Twingy | I usually fly at 1/2 throttle |
| 02:33.18 | Twingy | but when you open it up it's very much a 3D plane |
| 02:33.55 | Twingy | starting both engines up is no big deal either |
| 02:33.59 | ``Erik | cool |
| 02:34.01 | Twingy | takes about a minute |
| 02:34.09 | ``Erik | are they bothing feeding off the same fuel tank? |
| 02:34.09 | Twingy | I might swap out the 4oz tanks for 6oz ones |
| 02:34.14 | ``Erik | ah, seperate |
| 02:34.23 | Twingy | 4oz tanks == 10-12 minute flights |
| 02:34.38 | Twingy | since you've only got 0.25 FX's drawing off them |
| 02:35.01 | Twingy | I've got a pair of 0.46 LA's I don't know what to do with yet |
| 02:35.16 | Twingy | need to get gerber junk into gcam |
| 02:35.52 | ``Erik | .46's would make a fairly big twin |
| 02:36.13 | Twingy | yep |
| 02:36.19 | Twingy | we've got like 100 0.60 |
| 02:36.23 | Twingy | 0.60's at work |
| 02:36.32 | Twingy | those'd make it move :) |
| 02:37.06 | ``Erik | hehehe |
| 02:37.07 | Twingy | I might just buy a 0.60-0.90 plane and build that up |
| 02:37.18 | Twingy | since I have 2 receivers and xmitters now |
| 02:37.29 | ``Erik | hm, still on the island? |
| 02:37.47 | Twingy | http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXHCR7&P=0 |
| 02:37.49 | Twingy | bought that |
| 02:37.57 | Twingy | should be here next week |
| 02:38.13 | Twingy | you can set it to any channel |
| 02:38.16 | Twingy | no crystal |
| 02:38.19 | ``Erik | cool |
| 02:38.40 | Twingy | yes, in fact spent half the day testing the autopilot |
| 02:38.44 | ``Erik | my futabu 6ch uses a crystal :/ |
| 02:38.50 | ``Erik | futuba |
| 02:38.58 | Twingy | hehe |
| 02:38.59 | Twingy | fu tabu |
| 02:39.13 | Twingy | brian hates the futabas |
| 02:39.17 | Twingy | he's all JR |
| 02:39.26 | Twingy | I'm liking hitech stuff |
| 02:39.26 | ``Erik | bah |
| 02:39.30 | brlcad | ``Erik: yeah, I disabled the script just in case |
| 02:39.41 | Twingy | I haven't had one of those in some time |
| 02:40.01 | Twingy | probly 8 months ago |
| 02:40.08 | ``Erik | aaanyways, if you get a little free time, you should take a few of us out to the island to show us your toys :) |
| 02:40.34 | Twingy | probably 2 weeks from now might be good |
| 02:40.44 | Twingy | I might have some neat stuff to demonstrate |
| 02:40.52 | ``Erik | cool |
| 02:41.46 | Twingy | we just got a box of neat stuff that will allow me to finish building my neat stuff |
| 02:41.55 | ``Erik | check this out... I had to update the fire escape maps... to mark the SIP rooms... so I did that... NOW the fucktard wants me to verify that the symbol I chose is ok for that map. ffs. |
| 02:42.12 | Twingy | you gotta get out of there... |
| 02:42.15 | ``Erik | no shit |
| 02:42.20 | Twingy | why won't you listen to me :) |
| 02:42.31 | Twingy | stop sitting with your thumb up your butt and move |
| 02:43.03 | Twingy | if I were you 'd be making phone calls left and right to CISD and HRED |
| 02:43.07 | ``Erik | <-- is putting effort towards it, installed latex on his machine so he can work on his resume o.O then got sidetracked *cough* |
| 02:43.19 | Twingy | outside or inside ARL? |
| 02:43.19 | ``Erik | hm, I've heard less than thrilling things about cisd lately |
| 02:43.37 | Twingy | CISD does alot of neat stuff with comms |
| 02:44.48 | ``Erik | I kinda sorta miss industry treatment... I mean, free coffee and tea are kinda minimal things... free popcorn, soda, and lunches are out there... total flex time, ... |
| 02:45.49 | Twingy | I like the job security until I can start my own company |
| 02:45.49 | ``Erik | no hassle telecommute, ... |
| 02:46.02 | ``Erik | yeah, that's kinda the big thing that has kept me here, heh |
| 02:46.08 | Twingy | plus some of the stuff I'm working with costs more than my house |
| 02:47.03 | Twingy | before you leave, I'd highly recommend finding a position that is < 50% mission funded |
| 02:47.16 | Twingy | that actually makes a huge difference |
| 02:47.41 | Twingy | < 50% mission typically means 6.0 and 6.1 funding plus independent research |
| 02:48.21 | Twingy | Maloeran, for the umpteenth million time, sucky management |
| 02:48.48 | ``Erik | *nod* in industry, the place would've gotten a serious gutting and had most if not all mgmt replaced |
| 02:49.03 | Twingy | you got back 10 years and where I was / where erik currently is was a hot spot |
| 02:49.18 | Maloeran | By the way Justin, when I said to Mark you suggested to look into engineering, architecture and medical applications for the raytracer... He suggested to sit down us three and talk about it. I don't think you'll be interested but I'm forwarding the message |
| 02:49.22 | ``Erik | 5, even |
| 02:50.08 | Twingy | Maloeran, let me sleep on it |
| 02:50.12 | Maloeran | Sure |
| 02:50.26 | Twingy | I started running again, got the juices flowing |
| 02:51.00 | Maloeran | Eheh, sounds good. I'm really getting lazy lately, I have so few needs for locomotion |
| 02:51.17 | Twingy | I'll run after work for the next couple of months |
| 02:51.44 | Twingy | my brain spews out clever ideas when running |
| 02:52.32 | Maloeran | Neat. It doesn't happen to me when running, it happens when coming back to idle on the sofa for 10 minutes, exhausted |
| 02:52.47 | Twingy | ah, that's when stomach kicks in and wants 10lbs of pasta |
| 02:52.54 | Maloeran | Eheh, that too |
| 02:53.10 | Twingy | mmm triptophan |
| 02:53.29 | Twingy | the sleepy happy make you feel good chemical |
| 02:54.01 | Twingy | got 15k rpm disks in it? |
| 02:54.25 | Maloeran | Eheh quite not, it's only geared towards computations |
| 02:55.41 | Twingy | bet they'd increase compile speed by 10-20% |
| 02:55.56 | Twingy | Maloeran, setup a ram disk |
| 02:55.59 | Twingy | compile on that |
| 02:56.24 | Maloeran | *nods* I'm more looking forward to testing raytracing |
| 02:57.02 | Twingy | I've probly spent $800 on r/c stuff in the last 2 months |
| 02:57.34 | Maloeran | r/c? |
| 02:58.34 | Twingy | radio control |
| 02:58.50 | Twingy | haven even started dumping money on the electronics for the rocket yet |
| 02:58.57 | Twingy | but I got the shopping list ready |
| 02:59.56 | Maloeran | Ah. I spent 4000USD on that box, but I don't do that too often |
| 03:01.03 | ``Erik | dayamn |
| 03:01.42 | ``Erik | <-- spent like $700 on his laptop, like $400 on his last x86 |
| 03:01.50 | Twingy | I figure the gyros, accelerometers, gps, and modem alone will cost me $150 |
| 03:02.01 | ``Erik | I'm, like, moving towards kermit behavior, I guess :D |
| 03:02.04 | Maloeran | And how much on that car, Erik? :) |
| 03:02.11 | ``Erik | erm |
| 03:02.15 | ``Erik | a bit more than 4k |
| 03:02.22 | Twingy | how many gigglehurts is it |
| 03:02.30 | ``Erik | well |
| 03:02.44 | ``Erik | the last one has some giggles, and then some hurts... not at the same time, though |
| 03:02.49 | ``Erik | had |
| 03:02.59 | Maloeran | 8 * 1.6ghz of the latest Intel Xeon chip, improved server-grade Core 2 |
| 03:03.03 | ``Erik | so far,t his one is just giggles, no hurts yet, hopefully won't get there :) |
| 03:03.11 | Twingy | I don't think I ever saw what happened to the last one |
| 03:03.23 | ``Erik | other than the sharp stabbing pain in my right buttcheek, where my wallet sits |
| 03:03.40 | ``Erik | http://math.missouristate.edu/~erik/m3/20060925/640x480/ |
| 03:03.49 | ``Erik | camera is fucked up |
| 03:04.15 | Maloeran | Was it really just some patch of grass? That's what you said at the time, doubts remain.. |
| 03:04.21 | Twingy | you killed the car |
| 03:04.33 | ``Erik | the grass got me sliding without control |
| 03:04.36 | Twingy | you hit a patch of grass? |
| 03:04.39 | ``Erik | two trees got it rolling |
| 03:04.44 | ``Erik | then slide across the road upside down |
| 03:04.49 | Twingy | how do slide out of control on a patch of grass? |
| 03:04.50 | ``Erik | and hit an embankment and two more trees |
| 03:04.59 | Twingy | were you doing one of your crazy 0 - mach3 stunts? |
| 03:05.04 | ``Erik | then came to rest on the road on the passenger side |
| 03:05.07 | Maloeran | That's some fearful grass.. It's the first step I find difficult to imagine |
| 03:05.22 | ``Erik | left curve over a crest, got the right wheels in the grass in a ditch... |
| 03:05.35 | Twingy | ok |
| 03:05.38 | Twingy | you were on a road |
| 03:05.42 | Twingy | you started accelerating |
| 03:05.48 | Twingy | then grass came out of nowhere? |
| 03:05.58 | Maloeran | Were you speeding or accelerating too fast?.. |
| 03:06.00 | ``Erik | no, level speed, and I was just running too wide |
| 03:06.13 | ``Erik | and dicking with my phone *cough* |
| 03:06.13 | Twingy | running too wide? what's that mean |
| 03:06.35 | ``Erik | uh, driving too close to the shoulder? |
| 03:06.43 | ``Erik | and not turning in tight enough? |
| 03:06.44 | ``Erik | heh |
| 03:07.03 | Maloeran | Ah, so there's a cell phone factor involved *nods* |
| 03:07.03 | ``Erik | <-- may not have exactly been completely below the speed limit |
| 03:07.20 | Twingy | and, if you don't mind me asking, how much did the insurance cover? |
| 03:07.40 | ``Erik | quite a bit |
| 03:07.45 | Twingy | all of it? |
| 03:07.54 | ``Erik | um, less a grand or two |
| 03:08.08 | Twingy | guess those high insurance rates paid off |
| 03:08.26 | ``Erik | heh, yeah |
| 03:08.28 | Twingy | my insurance is set to like bottom of the barrel |
| 03:08.35 | Twingy | like $121/mo |
| 03:08.39 | Twingy | for like $15k coverage |
| 03:08.39 | ``Erik | then I got a letter saying my insurance was going up seventeen point something % |
| 03:08.57 | Twingy | so they are going to get their money back from insurance |
| 03:08.58 | ``Erik | and got the fee, went DOWN a fair bit |
| 03:09.34 | ``Erik | <-- was paying ~169/mo, now paying 135/mo for jacked up %'s on a sports car with a total and two tickets... |
| 03:09.39 | Twingy | did you get any money for the scrap? |
| 03:09.42 | ``Erik | no |
| 03:09.48 | Twingy | how come? |
| 03:09.56 | ``Erik | they own it when they pay it off |
| 03:10.01 | Twingy | ah |
| 03:10.09 | ``Erik | to get my insurance check, I handed over keys and signed the title over |
| 03:10.27 | Twingy | I woulda took a few parts |
| 03:10.30 | Maloeran | Eheh, keys were a nice symbolic gesture |
| 03:10.34 | ``Erik | I have a few parts in my basement |
| 03:10.37 | ``Erik | and one of the keys |
| 03:10.57 | Twingy | in case you want to break into the pile of scrap iron |
| 03:11.02 | ``Erik | unfortunately, I took the bmw emblem, not the fucking m3 emblem :/ |
| 03:11.41 | ``Erik | *shrug* I kinda miss the blue |
| 03:12.20 | ``Erik | but the one I have now is less conspicuous and a little sportier (shortthrow shifter, aluminum pedals (GET THE FUCK AWAY FROM MY CAR, TWINGY), dvd nav, ...) |
| 03:12.37 | ``Erik | um, miguel in wmrd bought a laguna seca m3 after seeing mine |
| 03:12.39 | Twingy | I got more aluminum than I know what to do with |
| 03:12.47 | ``Erik | he parks behind 390 |
| 03:12.53 | Twingy | I'm very very close to cutting the first prototype motor |
| 03:12.57 | ``Erik | sweet |
| 03:13.14 | Twingy | I almost have the jig finished cutting from MDF |
| 03:13.16 | ``Erik | I'm eager to see a sketch or model or even description of what makes it special :) |
| 03:13.43 | Twingy | what makes it special is it's KISS simplicity |
| 03:13.43 | ``Erik | and if ya want a pencil jockey to crunch formulas or numbers, lemme know :D |
| 03:14.16 | Twingy | one of those why didn't I think of that deals |
| 03:14.56 | ``Erik | <-- thinks he gets more of a kick out of the theoretical side and crunching data than the machining |
| 03:15.14 | ``Erik | though test burns are cool... |
| 03:16.06 | Twingy | I'm actually looking forward to the first round of tests |
| 03:16.18 | Twingy | this will be new territory for me |
| 03:16.27 | ``Erik | where ya gonna light things up at? sandy hook? or the school? |
| 03:16.36 | Twingy | probly my garage at first |
| 03:16.56 | ``Erik | hm |
| 03:17.09 | Twingy | it can't explode, so there's no real danger |
| 03:17.09 | ``Erik | got an ABC fire extinguisher? |
| 03:17.15 | Twingy | I got 2 |
| 03:17.29 | ``Erik | okie, make sure one is out in the garage when ya kick it off :) |
| 03:18.10 | ``Erik | my kitche one dropped below the 'green' range, so I used it out on my deck |
| 03:18.14 | ``Erik | that's kinda fun |
| 03:18.22 | ``Erik | but the yellow powder gets freakin' everywhere |
| 03:18.39 | Twingy | then you locked yourself outside and had to break a window to get in? |
| 03:18.43 | ``Erik | heh, nah |
| 03:18.47 | Twingy | :) |
| 03:19.01 | Maloeran | Nice Erik, that reveals an aspect of your cooking talents :) |
| 03:19.02 | ``Erik | my finger isn't stiched on right now, I can jump down to the ground |
| 03:19.26 | ``Erik | what, that I've never had a fire extinguisher grade fire in the last 4 yrs? |
| 03:20.20 | Maloeran | Well, that you had to use your kitchen fire extinguisher down to below the green range |
| 03:20.33 | ``Erik | they are pressured, they lose pressure over time |
| 03:20.42 | Maloeran | Oh. |
| 03:20.45 | ``Erik | and the first time you use one, it drops below green |
| 03:21.10 | ``Erik | <-- has never had an uncontrolled fire :) |
| 03:21.32 | Twingy | I've only had explosions |
| 03:21.57 | ``Erik | yeah, but half the time, you cook rocket fuel in your kitchen :D |
| 03:22.34 | Twingy | I still don't know what I'm going to do with all that potassium nitrate, I will probably never make KNDX propellant again |
| 03:22.52 | Twingy | might just throw it in the yard for fertilizer |
| 03:22.54 | ``Erik | make a garden box in your back yard |
| 03:22.58 | Twingy | yep |
| 03:23.20 | Twingy | I am gonna get a tiller this summer and fix my yard |
| 03:23.27 | ``Erik | in missouri, I had two 4x8' boxes... half of one was all green onions... whenever I made an omelete, I'd go out, pull a couple, wash 'em and slice 'em up |
| 03:23.28 | Twingy | I've got the worst fucking soil |
| 03:23.30 | ``Erik | good stuff |
| 03:23.35 | ``Erik | hey, at least you HAVE soil |
| 03:23.39 | ``Erik | hafl my back yard is clay |
| 03:24.20 | Twingy | mine takes half an hour to dig a foot |
| 03:24.20 | ``Erik | the other half is stone and broken concrete |
| 03:24.20 | Twingy | like a fucking steam roller went over it |
| 03:24.21 | Twingy | pisses me off |
| 03:24.22 | ``Erik | development housing soil :( |
| 03:24.41 | Twingy | after I till it I'll throw down sod |
| 03:24.43 | ``Erik | I took my pickaxe to break up the clay some so the grass could grow through |
| 03:24.49 | Twingy | do a sprinkler system first |
| 03:24.52 | ``Erik | almost every swing was into stone with sparks flying |
| 03:25.05 | Twingy | then lay down a few hundred square feet of brick |
| 03:25.48 | ``Erik | my neighbors put down brick under their deck, took the dude a fair amount of time, said it was a LOT harder than he figured |
| 03:26.00 | Twingy | he was probably doing it wrong |
| 03:26.11 | Twingy | I figure I'll bang it out in a few weekends |
| 03:26.25 | ``Erik | I d'no, looked fairly stadnard to me... dug it up, put down the gravel, then started packing bricks |
| 03:26.38 | Twingy | didn't put sand down? |
| 03:26.45 | ``Erik | I don't know |
| 03:26.51 | ``Erik | I didn't pay TOO much attention... :) |
| 03:26.55 | Twingy | gotta put down black tarp, then sand |
| 03:27.02 | Twingy | keeps the weeds out |
| 03:27.16 | ``Erik | this is snugged on the north side of the house |
| 03:27.19 | ``Erik | grass won't grow, just moss |
| 03:27.36 | ``Erik | so even if he did forget the black plastic, it wouldn't be the end of the world |
| 03:27.45 | Twingy | I'm gonna use big stone bricks |
| 03:28.12 | ``Erik | <-- might try something like that over the summer |
| 03:28.50 | ``Erik | I think I want to redo my entry :/ |
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| 04:02.30 | IriX64 | say can rtedge be used from the gui? |
| 04:07.59 | IriX64 | http://www.pastebin.ca/367136 <<< === it can but what am i doing wrong here? |
| 04:14.36 | IriX64 | maybe not bldg391 faills too on this command rtedge all |
| 04:18.33 | brlcad | IriX64: it's like rt, just type rtedge |
| 04:18.48 | IriX64 | ty |
| 04:18.52 | brlcad | an argument of havoc tells it to open a geometry file named "havoc", which does not exist |
| 04:19.13 | IriX64 | explained thank you. |
| 04:19.28 | brlcad | if you run rtedge on the unix command line, you have to specify the file and geometry |
| 04:19.45 | IriX64 | never tried that. |
| 04:19.45 | brlcad | on the mged command line, just e the object (or select it in the geometry browser), then run rtedge |
| 04:19.58 | Maloeran | Anyone knows what the Linux "migration" process is? I can't find any information on google besides being told how to migrate from windows to Linux |
| 04:20.00 | IriX64 | got it thanks. |
| 04:20.05 | brlcad | e or draw or whatever you use :) |
| 04:20.16 | IriX64 | heh thanks. |
| 04:20.32 | brlcad | Maloeran: I think Linux migrates south for the winter around October |
| 04:21.08 | IriX64 | heh that's geese ;) |
| 04:21.26 | brlcad | http://www.falklandsconservation.com/penguins/pengmig.html |
| 04:21.39 | brlcad | they even draw you pretty pictures ;) |
| 04:23.21 | Maloeran | All right, I'll be satified with answers on penguins and Linux OS migration :) |
| 04:24.05 | IriX64 | so now i'm a penguin ;) |
| 04:24.42 | Maloeran | I'm used to know what every process running is, but that's a new one in the default Gentoo scripts. There's one assigned to every core, I guess it's for some kind of process/thread migration |
| 04:26.05 | IriX64 | mct=master control thread. |
| 04:27.09 | IriX64 | watch the default stack sizes though :) |
| 04:30.11 | brlcad | Maloeran: what exactly are you asking? from what it sounds, seems like gentoo is offering you options on what processor affinity settings you want? |
| 04:31.34 | brlcad | or how to actually do full-blown process migration between cpus in a cluster ala mosix or what? |
| 04:32.01 | Maloeran | 8 processes named "migration" are launched by the gentoo boot scripts. They have no man pages, no documentation, and google can't tell much |
| 04:32.17 | brlcad | ahhhh |
| 04:32.32 | brlcad | i totally read what you wrote differently :) |
| 04:32.39 | Maloeran | I realized :) |
| 04:32.52 | Maloeran | The page about penguins is still interesting though |
| 04:33.02 | brlcad | heh, that was in jest, but even afterwards ;) |
| 04:35.01 | brlcad | wow, a search turns up some work mike muuss did years ago on a migration daemon |
| 04:35.04 | brlcad | http://ftp.arl.mil/~mike/papers/88bump-pit/bump.html |
| 04:35.17 | brlcad | totally unrelated, but quite ironic |
| 04:35.31 | brlcad | well, at least probably unrelated .. |
| 04:36.28 | Maloeran | Curious ideas on file system migration |
| 04:37.25 | brlcad | mm.. transparent file migration |
| 04:38.02 | brlcad | a holy grail that we still don't have, a transparent global shared network file store |
| 04:38.09 | Maloeran | IriX64, typical master/slaves design, my raytracer works like that ; both for threads and fpr network processing |
| 04:38.27 | IriX64 | with someone in charge? |
| 04:38.38 | IriX64 | rt shelling it out? |
| 04:38.54 | Maloeran | Indeed brlcad, yet it doesn't seem so hard to implement |
| 04:39.51 | Maloeran | Except for files that wouldn't fit on one single physical device and would have to be broken into pieces by the driver, that's more messy |
| 04:40.40 | brlcad | I know of several projects that do it, and work well |
| 04:40.56 | brlcad | it's more the practical issues of getting OS standardization/cooperation |
| 04:41.43 | brlcad | google's probably in the best position to get that going actually, with the mass file stores, using machines across the internet and pseudo shared drives |
| 04:42.02 | brlcad | Maloeran: see which package the file belongs to, might give a lead |
| 04:42.09 | brlcad | epm -qf `whereis migration` |
| 04:42.31 | brlcad | or locate or whatever to actual file |
| 04:43.23 | brlcad | qpkg should do the trick too |
| 04:47.54 | Maloeran | Yes, apparently thinking that I was rewriting that, but I'm not |
| 04:48.02 | Maloeran | Oops, nevermind |
| 04:52.43 | IriX64 | ``Erik how bigs *your fbsd BRL-CAD tar.gz? ;) |
| 04:52.50 | Maloeran | I never bothered to really learn the client, the first irc client I found on Linux many years ago |
| 04:53.22 | IriX64 | my first on unix was good olle irc |
| 04:53.33 | IriX64 | ircii |
| 04:53.41 | louipc | oh yeah |
| 04:54.33 | brlcad | irssi is the path to enlightenment |
| 04:55.00 | IriX64 | just don't type control c on a system like mine. :) |
| 04:57.11 | IriX64 | louipc i guess standard 60Hz what think you? |
| 04:57.32 | louipc | I've never owned an LCD |
| 04:57.52 | louipc | my system is 6yrs old eh |
| 04:57.56 | IriX64 | haven't got a calculator eh? ;) |
| 04:58.16 | louipc | oh? how do I do it? |
| 04:58.28 | IriX64 | you tell me. |
| 04:58.34 | louipc | I've no clue |
| 04:58.54 | louipc | LCDs can't be faster than CRTs though can they? |
| 05:00.12 | IriX64 | lcds operate on a charged pixel basis, crt, actually provide a beam to lite an entire row of pixels, lcds try to get each individually. |
| 05:00.31 | Maloeran | I think they have become close to equivalent in quality, hence why I tried my first LCD |
| 05:01.12 | IriX64 | i like to open my system up, ergo i prolly will never own a laptop or notebook. |
| 05:01.14 | louipc | I thought it was just price... or LCDs might be cheaper now |
| 05:01.42 | louipc | IriX64: why not open up the notebook? |
| 05:01.53 | IriX64 | and do what exactly? |
| 05:01.58 | louipc | tinker |
| 05:02.19 | IriX64 | one look convinces they should not be tinkered with. |
| 05:03.01 | Maloeran | LCDs still seem to have problems with the black "color", it's not quite as black as my Viewsonic CRT |
| 05:03.35 | IriX64 | its the screen mask your seeing. |
| 05:04.59 | louipc | lol |
| 05:05.22 | Maloeran | Print your own, 5 lines of code ;) |
| 05:10.12 | brlcad | LCDs have exceptionally low "refresh rates" compared to CRTs and are usually in the 20-100Hz range, 60Hz is pretty common |
| 05:10.44 | brlcad | but since they are "charged" as IriX64 noted, it doesn't mean nearly the same |
| 05:11.30 | brlcad | there's generally no "scanline flickering" for example, as there is no scanline beam, the image just has a burn in/out time |
| 05:12.37 | brlcad | one of the things that can make gaming painful on crappy LCDs (and even high-end ones in general) because of image motion and high response times |
| 05:13.10 | brlcad | not as much of a problem these days, most LCDs are "good enough" at the 60 Hz range |
| 05:18.14 | Maloeran | This 5ms response time would be equivalent to 200hz, that's quite high |
| 05:29.04 | IriX64 | Maloeran: why don't i just use 'g' :) |
| 05:50.08 | Maloeran | Hum. 60 million rays per second, 100fps in 800x600 |
| 05:50.55 | IriX64 | just which laptop model is that ? ;) |
| 05:51.44 | Maloeran | A big heavy and noisy laptop, it's not comfortable at all sitting on my lap :) |
| 05:51.53 | IriX64 | 100fps? I get 2.8-12.0 depending. |
| 05:52.40 | Maloeran | This is not the raytracer you see in BRL-CAD, I'm talking about rendering 100 full frames of first-hit per second |
| 05:53.08 | IriX64 | was gonna comment about penguins :) |
| 05:56.02 | brlcad | heh, http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/7848/image001ac0.jpg |
| 05:56.15 | IriX64 | first write loop unrolling and jump optimizations amongst other things into your compiler then recompile. |
| 05:57.20 | IriX64 | thought that was spelled doughnuts brlcad. |
| 06:01.23 | IriX64 | anybody with g-jack.exe, could you give me an approximate byte size? |
| 06:03.31 | Maloeran | I don't think you'll find a lot of people with .exe files here... |
| 06:04.50 | IriX64 | equivelent will do. |
| 06:08.02 | IriX64 | louipc will fbsd still run an exe file? |
| 06:18.50 | brlcad | tofu:~ morrison$ ls -la /usr/brlcad/bin/g-jack |
| 06:18.51 | brlcad | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 52860 Aug 11 2006 /usr/brlcad/bin/g-jack |
| 06:18.53 | brlcad | 58k |
| 06:19.01 | brlcad | er 52 |
| 06:19.06 | IriX64 | http://irix64.spaces.live.com/ <==== looksee |
| 06:19.09 | IriX64 | ty |
| 06:22.02 | brlcad | can't imagine what that number would be useful for, comparing apples and kiwis |
| 06:24.28 | IriX64 | I'm sorta bloated :) |
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| 07:02.59 | brlcad | you're probably compiled static, it's not the same comparison |
| 07:21.00 | IriX64 | trew :) |
| 08:16.14 | IriX64 | my "space" eh microsoft? reeks of bait, but what you gonna do? :) |
| 09:25.50 | IriX64 | btw that pix of Mr. Brlcad came from Aberdeeen city records, when i stumbled on BRL-CAD I did a little research. |
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| 15:00.26 | CIA-7 | BRL-CAD: 03jlowenz * 10brlcad/include/wdb.h: remove the conditional compilation of the mk_brep function |
| 15:04.40 | CIA-7 | BRL-CAD: 03jlowenz * 10brlcad/src/librt/g_brep.cpp: fix several bugs in the implementation of RT_MemoryArchive. remove use of dynamic_cast. |
| 15:15.05 | CIA-7 | BRL-CAD: 03jlowenz * 10brlcad/src/librt/table.c: provide function table stubs for good behavior when openNURBS is not built |
| 15:18.51 | CIA-7 | BRL-CAD: 03jlowenz * 10brlcad/src/libwdb/ (brep.cpp Makefile.am): provide a C stub of mk_brep when openNURBS is not built. prevent NULL breps to mk_brep |
| 15:21.04 | CIA-7 | BRL-CAD: 03jlowenz * 10brlcad/src/libwdb/brep_stub.c: provide a C stub of mk_brep when openNURBS is not built. |
| 15:26.00 | ``Erik | *yawn* |
| 15:41.09 | Maloeran | Anyone could use an user on a 8 cores box? Though I'm sure you guys got access to 1024 processors on a daily basis :) |
| 15:57.42 | ``Erik | the biggies are a hassle, but i have three 8 core opterons at my disposal... heh :D |
| 15:58.08 | ``Erik | so unless you're loading something other than linux... O:-) |
| 15:59.18 | ``Erik | http://www.cuisinenet.com/digest/breakfast/map_world.shtml |
| 16:01.07 | Maloeran | Ahah, neat |
| 16:03.46 | ``Erik | heh, like the old LISA, yes |
| 16:03.53 | ``Erik | oriented the way a paper would be |
| 16:04.15 | ``Erik | which is why i rail on having 'start bars' or 'docks' or whatever at the bottom instead of the side :D |
| 16:05.05 | Maloeran | Good point :) |
| 16:19.43 | clock_ | Maloeran: what about 87 degrees? |
| 16:42.17 | Maloeran | That could be amusing too |
| 17:51.48 | ``Erik | 87 degrees? is that like a boy band? |
| 18:21.15 | CIA-7 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/ (include/raytrace.h src/librt/nmg_bool.c): add flag to silence nmg boolean eval |
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| 19:11.34 | brlcad | Maloeran: I believe you can, but there's an issue with that |
| 19:12.16 | brlcad | the underlying smooth anti-aliasing that X (and most graphical interfaces) does for LCD displays takes advantage of the RGB interleave |
| 19:13.15 | brlcad | you end up with nasty aliasing effects if you simply tell X11/xorg to rotate the display without updating the display system to do something different for anti-aliasing |
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| 21:24.33 | IriX64 | http://www.pastebin.ca/368141 <------ ``Erik I'm trying :) |
| 21:34.31 | IriX64 | http://www.pastebin.ca/368154 < --- this though happens every time i try to build BRL-CAD with shared libs enabled and I *can't find it. |
| 21:35.01 | IriX64 | --disable-shared is a workaround but... |
| 21:39.22 | IriX64 | louipc have you tried? |
| 21:40.08 | brlcad | IriX64: try installing libpng on your own |
| 21:40.35 | IriX64 | change dir to libpng and compiule and link you mean. |
| 21:40.45 | IriX64 | compile too |
| 21:41.02 | IriX64 | ill try that. |
| 21:43.17 | IriX64 | an hour from now, i'm going to let this run complete (or error out) :) |
| 21:44.02 | IriX64 | could try it on the backup tree but im leary of dinking around in there. |
| 21:55.08 | IriX64 | ill try configuring exactly the same way and will switch to libpng. |
| 22:03.07 | IriX64 | http://www.pastebin.ca/368180 <--- brlcad doing it that way yields this output. |
| 22:18.28 | brlcad | IriX64: that's not what i meant |
| 22:18.46 | brlcad | i meant go get libpng, compile it and install it or find a cygwin package for it |
| 22:18.49 | IriX64 | hrmm? |
| 22:19.21 | IriX64 | to get by it you mean, ill just run with --disable-shared but ty. |
| 22:19.36 | brlcad | but your second error pastebin is actually considerably more informative |
| 22:19.48 | brlcad | that shows the real error |
| 22:20.01 | IriX64 | hope it helps. |
| 22:20.19 | brlcad | well, it looks like something goofed in src/other/libz |
| 22:20.31 | brlcad | *** Warning: This system can not link to static lib archive ../../../src/other/l |
| 22:20.32 | brlcad | ibz/libz.la. |
| 22:20.37 | IriX64 | dunno, i'm not that good :) |
| 22:20.51 | brlcad | there should also be a shared one in there |
| 22:21.13 | IriX64 | ty ill check. |
| 22:21.14 | brlcad | what does this report: ls -la src/other/libz/.libs/libz* |
| 22:22.02 | IriX64 | no such file or directory. |
| 22:22.27 | IriX64 | just a sec. |
| 22:23.34 | IriX64 | http://www.pastebin.ca/368213 |
| 22:23.53 | IriX64 | gotta run an errand brbr well in a few minutes. |
| 22:26.30 | Maloeran | Can anyone confirm my assumption that laptops are as vulnerable to low temperatures as desktops, hence one shouldn't boot one which stayed a hour at -10C? |
| 22:29.07 | dtidrow_work | I would say yes, though that's mainly for the hard drive |
| 22:29.25 | dtidrow_work | I imagine that the bearings might get rather sticky at those temps |
| 22:30.17 | ``Erik | laptop hdd's (and fans) tend to be smaller with smaller tolerances, though, I'd imagine that'd make them more susceptable to heat contraction and expansion, no? |
| 22:30.27 | ``Erik | <-- obviously has no clue what he's talking about :D |
| 22:30.32 | ``Erik | later, dudes, headin' home |
| 22:30.35 | brlcad | IriX64: that's rather incorrect.. |
| 22:30.41 | brlcad | to only have the .a |
| 22:31.11 | brlcad | cd src/other/libz and try a make .. see if it links a libz.so or .dll or whatever it does under cygwin |
| 22:31.52 | brlcad | if it still doesn't make it, do a make clean there, then make again .. see if there's any message in the output as to why a shared library isn't built |
| 22:36.47 | IriX64 | did a make clean there before i started but ill check. |
| 22:38.02 | IriX64 | doing libz will give you the whole thing. |
| 22:39.09 | IriX64 | http://www.pastebin.ca/368227 |
| 22:41.22 | IriX64 | Maloeran a cup of warm broth would do wonders for that chilly laptop :) |
| 22:47.09 | IriX64 | btw it does .so under cygwin. |
| 22:51.07 | brlcad | IriX64: ls -la .libs/libz* |
| 22:53.13 | IriX64 | http://www.pastebin.ca/368242 |
| 22:55.19 | IriX64 | mmm a teddy...err wait thats toddy ;) |
| 22:55.27 | brlcad | huh |
| 22:55.31 | brlcad | there it built it |
| 22:55.48 | brlcad | some sort of wierd timing |
| 22:56.01 | brlcad | cd ../../.. && make |
| 22:56.14 | brlcad | libpng should do better this time |
| 22:57.49 | IriX64 | http://www.pastebin.ca/368245 |
| 22:59.41 | brlcad | cd src/other/libpng && make clean && cd ../../.. && make |
| 23:02.49 | IriX64 | http://www.pastebin.ca/368253 |
| 23:04.41 | brlcad | hrm, that's rather useless .. ld just fails with no error |
| 23:04.53 | IriX64 | agreed |
| 23:05.42 | IriX64 | its not something i did i think because it did it very first build before i touched anything. |
| 23:06.23 | brlcad | i don't think it's anything you've done |
| 23:06.35 | brlcad | i think it's an environment/ld/cygwin issue |
| 23:06.51 | brlcad | would have to see if there's an ld flag or something to get more verbose output |
| 23:07.00 | brlcad | maybe remove the --silent libtool flag |
| 23:07.47 | brlcad | try adding ./configure --enable-build-progress |
| 23:07.57 | IriX64 | part of this is my fault, that darn error should be more informative. let me try something. |
| 23:08.01 | brlcad | don't remember if that was added before 7.8.4 or after |
| 23:08.17 | brlcad | grep bc_build_progress configure.ac |
| 23:08.22 | brlcad | it should return a line or two |
| 23:08.56 | brlcad | if it does, rerun configure with --enable-build-progress and see if libpng's failure is more informative |
| 23:11.45 | IriX64 | http://www.pastebin.ca/368263 |
| 23:12.44 | brlcad | heh, i don't need to see it |
| 23:12.50 | brlcad | just "if it does" .... |
| 23:13.04 | IriX64 | reconfiguring, doin a clean first. |
| 23:16.48 | IriX64 | could it be that version number on the .so? version mismatch or something, mmm but that doesn't explaiun the undefs. |
| 23:21.17 | IriX64 | http://www.pastebin.ca/368273 |
| 23:21.22 | IriX64 | bbiab. |
| 23:35.23 | brlcad | still no error message -- looks like an ld bug to me, but that's not something I can debug easily without sitting at a console and testinging and checking lots of things |
| 23:37.34 | IriX64 | brlcad: I agree, its got to be this .so.2.24 thing, not being handles properly, tried an eggdrop compile and i have no problem with .so modules. |
| 23:38.21 | IriX64 | many thanks (and apologies to pastebin.ca for cluttering them up ) |
