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00:04.51 bjorkBSD not me.
00:06.59 ``Erik ...
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00:20.45 IriX64 ... = and your point is :)
00:42.44 bjorkBSD that i'm not delta zap.
00:53.10 IriX64 i was thinking we should adopt ... to mean and your point is :)
05:24.21 brlcad woot, finally done with the application
05:24.47 brlcad hopefuly didn't write too much .. hmm
06:19.41 Twingy I'm sure they will write back... "Dear Sean, thank you for your submission to GSoC, but you've written entirely too much and have therefore forfeited your entry, have a good day."
06:20.06 brlcad heh, mebbie
06:20.43 Twingy I just installed ubuntu 6.10 on my new dell d420
06:20.43 Twingy got 1280x800 + wifi working without a hitch
06:20.46 brlcad not too shabby
06:20.48 Twingy thing weighs like a feather
06:20.58 Twingy but still not a mac, doesn't have itunes
06:21.17 Twingy when apple reveals their subnotebooks I might snag one for personal
06:21.57 Twingy for now the D420 will be my email bitch for work and the occaisonal red-headed-step-child psuedo sidekick for my *nix software development
06:22.41 brlcad you read up on the flash-drive notebook that is supposed to come out?
06:23.06 Twingy its light weight, crappy screen, and awful speaker(s?) make you want to focus soley on software development
06:23.12 Twingy yes, not impressed
06:23.15 brlcad all rumor-mill, of course, but seemed highly likely/reputable source
06:23.39 Twingy I don't see why that can't be emulated at the kernel layer
06:23.56 Twingy I don't like my disk drives fancy
06:24.07 Twingy I just like them to work without failure and be cheap
06:24.43 Twingy in fact, I could do without any disk drive for most of my needs
06:25.00 brlcad but then where would you store your pr0n?
06:25.04 Twingy a 1GB flash drive for the OS + nfs for local use and web for google apps on the road would be plenty
06:25.15 Twingy heh, believe it or not I have 0 bytes of pr0n stored
06:25.18 Twingy *gasp*
06:25.44 Twingy and I *think* I have 1 illegal star strek episode and 1 illegal movie on my drive
06:25.52 Twingy *trek
06:26.12 Twingy the rest is src code and illegal mp3's mixed with legit aac's from itunes
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06:26.45 Twingy all the mp3's are pre-itunes though, cept maybe a dozen
06:27.04 Twingy my hard drive is pretty boring :)
06:27.14 brlcad i need to de-aac my music at some point
06:28.08 brlcad mine's probably considerably more .. um .. incriminteresting ..
06:29.27 Twingy banshee plays aac
06:29.37 Twingy but I'm not sure if it does the drm'd ones
06:29.55 brlcad yeah, that's what I meant, de-drm them -- aac's just fine
06:30.05 Twingy I need a program to go through all my files and do ogg-96 on them all
06:30.29 Twingy I can't tell a difference beyond ogg-80
06:30.42 Twingy so logically I choose the next step up
06:31.03 Twingy supposedly it's like mp3-160/192
06:31.57 brlcad sounds a bit high, but roughly about that much
06:32.36 brlcad I encode everything as high a bit rate as it'll do just cause I don't want to ever recode again and really don't give a damn about the disk space
06:32.47 Twingy solar panels will be cranking tomorrow
06:33.16 Twingy almost windy enough to make me not want to fly tomorrow
06:33.19 brlcad i've got itunes set to 320 or whatever that highest is, for eample
06:33.44 brlcad just flap harder
06:33.48 Twingy 0-5 mph == fun, 5 - 10 mph == interesting, 10 - 15 mph == slightly unpleasant, 15 mph == stupid
06:34.13 Twingy tomorrow is 7mph - 13 mph
06:34.21 brlcad 45 mph == ?
06:34.39 Twingy 45 mph == build a windmill
06:35.02 brlcad only to have the hurricane passing through blow it away? :)
06:35.17 Twingy sooner or later I'm going to build a steam engine and wire it up to my solar generator
06:35.19 brlcad (a small one)
06:35.54 Twingy if it weren't for the fact that I need to feed it ~200V+ DC it'd be tiny
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17:07.22 cad22 hello?
17:08.03 brlcad hello
17:08.51 Twingy hello!
17:09.11 cad22 I have been trying to install v 7.8.4 on amd64
17:09.34 cad22 it crashes on make
17:09.51 cad22 on reading the GL/gl.h library
17:10.16 cad22 i tried with the no GL option but it still reads the file
17:10.44 cad22 have you heard of anone else having this problem before?
17:12.07 brlcad hmm.. cad22, I haven't
17:12.14 brlcad "crashes" on make?
17:12.21 brlcad which OS are you on?
17:12.40 cad22 Ubuntu 6.06
17:12.52 brlcad what's your configure line?
17:13.09 brlcad and are you using CVS sources or latest tarball?
17:14.05 cad22 the first thing I tried was simply ./configure, I have also tried with --without-opengl and with -with-opengl=no
17:14.30 brlcad in the summary at the end, does it say opengl is off?
17:14.45 cad22 yes, I verified that
17:15.01 brlcad and are you using CVS sources or latest tarball?
17:15.14 cad22 I downloaded the latest from sourceforge
17:15.36 brlcad so 7.8.4 source tarball
17:15.40 cad22 yes
17:16.10 brlcad could just be an issue in that old tarball that I'm forgetting (that was a while ago) .. but where's it actually failing?
17:17.41 cad22 when compiling either dm_obj.c or dm-ogl.c
17:17.56 cad22 (in libdm)
17:19.31 cad22 it ends up reading the gl.h file anyways
17:19.38 brlcad hmm, yes
17:20.12 brlcad grep HAVE_GL_GL_H include/brlcad_config.h
17:20.19 brlcad what does that report?
17:20.46 brlcad and grep DM_OGL include/brlcad_config.h
17:21.02 cad22 #define HAVE_GL_GL_H 1
17:21.22 brlcad well that's odd
17:21.45 brlcad you apparently had a GL/gl.h during configure for that to succeed .. maybe in a different path
17:21.52 cad22 I get nothing for the second grep
17:22.01 brlcad k
17:22.55 brlcad can you copy/paste the compilation line that fails?
17:23.22 brlcad it should say something like:
17:23.23 brlcad /bin/sh ../../libtool --silent --mode=compile gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../../include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/local/include -DBRLCADBUILD=1 -I../../include -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -g -c -o dm_obj.lo `test -f 'dm_obj.c' || echo './'`dm_obj.c
17:23.36 cad22 where would I find this?
17:23.56 brlcad cd src/libdm && make dm-ogl.lo
17:25.19 brlcad the first line output that says libtool or gcc is what i'm looking for
17:25.38 cad22 I reextracted from the compressed file and am recompiling again... I had changed stuff.
17:25.47 cad22 It will take a minute.
17:25.49 brlcad ahh
17:26.14 brlcad configure --without-opengl
17:26.32 cad22 I had commenteOpenGL support .......................: no
17:26.43 cad22 OpenGL support .......................: no
17:27.23 cad22 (the greps were after configuation and starting to compile)
17:28.40 cad22 ubuntu:~/Desktop/brlcad-7.8.4>cd src/libdm && make dm-ogl.loubuntu:~/Desktop/brlcad-7.8.4>cd src/libdm && make dm-ogl.lo/bin/sh ../../libtool --silent --mode=compile gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../../include -I/usr/local/include -I../../include -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -g -c -o dm-ogl.lo `test -f 'dm-ogl.c' || echo './'`dm-ogl.c/bin/sh ../../libtool --silent --mode=compile gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../../include -I/usr/local/include
17:31.14 brlcad and well that looks right
17:31.16 brlcad and it fails?
17:31.34 cad22 ues
17:31.37 cad22 yes
17:31.42 cad22 usr/include/GL/gl.h:4325: error: syntax error before '*' token
17:31.47 brlcad grep DM_OGL_CFLAGS Makefile
17:32.00 brlcad look for the one that has an =
17:32.04 cad22 i get a ton of those... and
17:32.06 cad22 make[3]: *** [libdm_la-dm_obj.lo] Error 1
17:32.32 brlcad yeah, to be expected.. it shouldn't be doing anything in that file.. but somehow DM_OGL is set
17:32.39 cad22 no result for grep
17:33.02 brlcad grep DM_OGL Makefile.am
17:33.23 cad22 no result
17:35.17 brlcad hrmph
17:35.31 brlcad you're in src/libdm when you did the grep?
17:35.59 cad22 no, sorry. I went back to 7.8.4 directory.
17:36.25 cad22 #DM_OGL_CFLAGS = -DDM_OGL -DIF_OGLDM_OGL_CFLAGS =libdm_la_CFLAGS = ${X_CFLAGS} ${DM_X_CFLAGS} ${DM_OGL_CFLAGS} ${DM_WGL_CFLAGS}
17:36.54 cad22 ubuntu:~/Desktop/brlcad-7.8.4/src/libdm>grep DM_OGL Makefile.amDM_OGL_CFLAGS = -DDM_OGL -DIF_OGLDM_OGL_CFLAGS =libdm_la_CFLAGS = ${X_CFLAGS} ${DM_X_CFLAGS} ${DM_OGL_CFLAGS} ${DM_WGL_CFLAGS}
17:38.03 brlcad er, which of those two?
17:38.03 cad22 the first was grep DM_OGL_CFLAGS Makefile
17:38.03 cad22 the second was: grep DM_OGL Makefile.am
17:38.21 brlcad ahhh, okay
17:40.43 brlcad that says DM_OGL is turned off
17:40.56 brlcad yet you say make dm-ogl.lo fails
17:41.25 cad22 it shouldn't try to make dm-ogl.lo, then?
17:41.58 brlcad no, it should -- without the DM_OGL define, it's an empty file
17:42.18 brlcad unless if things were different in 7.8.4 and I'm just not remembering.. lemme get those sources
17:44.23 cad22 if it makes any difference: I do have a gl vid card: firegl v3100. so gl.h is a symbolic link to glATI.h
17:44.55 brlcad that would be why configure should succeed (assuming you have the libs and the libs actually work as expected)
17:45.18 brlcad but the fact that it has a syntax error .. implies something wrong in the glATI.h header
17:45.33 brlcad usr/include/GL/gl.h:4325
17:45.49 brlcad what is on that line number?
17:46.00 brlcad (almost done getting old sources)
17:46.53 cad22 there are a ton of those errors, i just picked one of the last ones:
17:46.55 cad22 typedef GLvoid (APIENTRY *PFNGLGETACTIVEATTRIBARBPROC)(GLhandleARB programObj, GLuint index, GLsizei maxLength, GLsizei *length, GLint *size, GLenum *type,
17:47.13 brlcad ahh, I presumed it was one of the first .. what's the very first error?
17:47.55 cad22 there are so many I can't scroll up...
17:48.20 brlcad make dm-ogl.lo 2>&1 | less
17:49.50 cad22 it said it was up to date
17:50.16 brlcad eep
17:50.28 brlcad that means it compiled
17:50.36 brlcad maybe a different file is failing
17:50.40 cad22 I have tried previously "less"ing but the errors don't go to the less screen
17:50.55 brlcad yeah, you have to redirect stderr .. add 2>&1
17:51.27 cad22 In file included from dm_obj.c:45:/usr/include/GL/glx.h:67: error: syntax error before '*' token
17:51.53 brlcad okay.. dm_obj.c is failing.. not dm-ogl.c .. that makes more sense
17:52.11 brlcad curious, though .. /usr/include/GL/glx.h:67 is what?
17:52.55 brlcad still sounds like a header mixup that should actually work as you do seem to have the headers
17:53.10 cad22 ypedef void (* PFNGLXBINDTEXIMAGEATIPROC)(Display *dpy, GLXPbuffer pbuf, int buffer);
17:53.20 cad22 cut of the t
17:53.33 brlcad ahhh
17:53.41 brlcad they're not using contained headers
17:53.43 brlcad shame on ati
17:54.20 brlcad "Display" is an X11 type .. and they've apparently not included the X11 header in their glx.h
17:55.50 brlcad so to fix.. you can either add #include <X11/Xlib.h> above the #include for glx.h in dm_obj.c .. or turn off HAVE_GL_GLX_H and HAVE_GL_GL_H in include/brlcad_config.h
17:56.29 cad22 i'll give the first a try
17:58.24 cad22 still get error
17:58.38 brlcad exact same line/error?
17:58.39 cad22 (still on line 67)
17:59.06 cad22 usr/include/GL/glx.h:67: error: syntax error before 'GLXPbuffer'
17:59.17 cad22 #ifdef HAVE_GL_GLX_H# include <X11/Xlib.h># include <GL/glx.h>#endif
18:00.07 brlcad hrmph
18:01.03 cad22 the link was already present for gl.h to glATI.h
18:01.22 cad22 there was no link present for glx so I made one earlier
18:01.23 brlcad curious.. wonder if something else maybe is setting Display, or a #define elsewhere in some other header
18:02.13 brlcad hmm.. that's caution-worthy in itself .. as those aren't necessarily the only two
18:03.02 brlcad still.. failing on display is odd.. add #include <Xlib/X11.h> and #include <GL/glx.h> above the stdlib.h line
18:03.27 brlcad just to make sure it's not tcl.h or something silly causing a problem
18:04.27 cad22 same error
18:05.22 brlcad that's "good" per-se though still leaves us with the same odd error
18:05.45 cad22 (lines now removed above stdlib.h)
18:06.43 brlcad it's still looking like something wrong with your ati headers, though really hard to tell without reading through the header files
18:06.53 brlcad probably just as easy to turn them off
18:06.59 brlcad it doesn't remove functionality
18:07.05 brlcad just uses a different mechanism
18:07.22 brlcad i.e. comment out HAVE_GL_GLX_H and HAVE_GL_GL_H in include/brlcad_config.h
18:08.32 cad22 (i usually manage to on my own)
18:09.26 brlcad if you're willing to provide some sort of shell access, I'll dig deeper, but it's looking like a rather bizzare setup issue atm
18:10.22 cad22 that seems like it worked
18:10.38 brlcad where?
18:11.01 brlcad it is one of their least used resources afaik .. but still..
18:11.25 ``Erik http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=665363
18:11.30 ``Erik http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/07/03/11/0049234.shtml
18:12.57 brlcad hrmph.. just saw the wikipedia entry too
18:13.23 cad22 thank you very much fr the help
18:14.29 brlcad cad22: no problem
18:14.45 brlcad cad22: curious .. would none of the posted binaries work for you?
18:15.09 cad22 the ones I saw were 32 bit
18:15.14 cad22 are there 64 bit ones available?
18:15.58 brlcad ah, not for that version, for linux iirc
18:16.34 brlcad only because there aren't 7.8.4 binaries posted.. only a deb
18:16.45 brlcad there are 64bit binaries for 7.8.0 iirc
18:17.01 brlcad yeah, http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=105292&package_id=113559
18:19.10 cad22 Yes, I do have other 32 bit apps running. I didn't remember immediately how to do that so tried to compile first.
18:19.48 ``Erik amd64 "just works" on the bsd and leenewx breeds I've messed with
18:31.02 cad22 Thank you again. Got mged running...
22:41.55 IriX64 hahha i mean athlon.
22:47.00 IriX64 ``Erik, what the heck is a metaball?
22:47.30 IriX64 s/a/s
22:48.41 Maloeran Ask wikipedia on metaballs
22:49.09 IriX64 rarely use wikipedia Malorean how do i do what you suggested?
22:50.10 IriX64 rarely= haven't used it yet.
22:50.11 Maloeran http://wikipedia.org/ Yype metaball in the search field, followed by pressing enter
22:50.48 Maloeran And you really are missing something, the world's largest encyclopedia. It's fantastic, I can spend whole days just reading from it
22:51.01 Maloeran Type* metaball, rather
22:52.08 Maloeran Actually, their article on metaballs is surprisingly short in comparison to most others
22:53.12 brlcad when all else fails, try what should be obvious
22:53.20 brlcad ~google metaballs
22:53.32 IriX64 does brlcad use bruteforce or the marching cubes approach?
22:53.48 IriX64 ill remember wikipedia.org, thanks Maloeran.
22:56.35 IriX64 http://www.pastebin.ca/391172 < --- ogl has issues on my system brlcad.
22:57.46 brlcad i'm going to take a stab in the dark and guess that you tried to force opengl on even though it was configuring off
22:58.04 IriX64 bad stab, i actually have it.
22:58.24 brlcad you might have it, but that doesn't look like an unmodified compile
22:58.34 IriX64 its a macro, any idea where it lives?
22:58.37 brlcad that error indicates it wasn't properly enabled
22:58.47 IriX64 really?
22:59.04 brlcad really
22:59.38 brlcad you forced it on via modifications, yes?
23:01.32 IriX64 no honestly.
23:02.02 IriX64 found it the file lives in include/fbio.h looking now.
23:02.55 brlcad then there's preprocessor logic that is out of what .. something rather non-trivial to debug
23:03.26 IriX64 might be this number im looking at just a sec.
23:03.31 brlcad that check it's failing on is merely a sanity check to make sure it really has a framebuffer object
23:03.34 brlcad it doesn't, so it aborts
23:04.24 IriX64 numbers don't math should be is what you have and what imp providing doesn't match, not your bug (i think)
23:04.25 brlcad there is *nothing* wrong with the various _CK_ macros that you keep checking -- those are security safeguard checks so that the application aborts soon
23:04.47 brlcad what that abort means is that some before that point in the code already went wrong
23:04.56 brlcad that just happened to be where it was cuaght
23:06.26 IriX64 ty ill keep looking.
23:33.49 IriX64 where'd wikipedia come from?
23:34.53 IriX64 sheltered too.
23:41.25 brlcad ask wikipedia
23:42.48 brlcad it's been around for many years .. just about every topic. hard to do a search without a wikipedia result coming up
23:43.00 Maloeran More than seeds, the Norwegian government should have stored full backups of Wikipedia in the Doomsday Vault

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