00:10.12 |
IriX64 |
got that shuttle dxf to go, pix is on my blog,
note its not the acad shuttle, but a dxf is a dxf. |
00:21.21 |
deltazap |
hmm? |
00:28.24 |
louipc |
what wm do you use? |
00:28.38 |
louipc |
or do you use linux? |
00:34.43 |
brlcad |
there have been several
suggestions/discussions about merging some of qcad's capabilities
with brl-cad's |
00:37.10 |
brlcad |
certainly doable, especially given how qcad
just uses dxf for their format and we have a fairly comprehensive
dxf importer and exporter |
00:48.53 |
IriX64 |
http://www.pastebin.ca/404451 |
01:01.23 |
IriX64 |
is a release date actually set for 7-10? or is
that a vaporeous thing still? :) |
01:05.10 |
brlcad |
any day now, as soon as these builds
stabilize |
01:06.57 |
IriX64 |
are you *sure I can't have the database to
stryker pix :) (ducking) |
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cad86 |
hi all |
10:27.09 |
cad86 |
is there someone in this irc? |
10:39.23 |
clock_ |
no |
10:39.27 |
clock_ |
you are here alone |
10:42.01 |
cad86 |
ok, and you're a ghost :-) |
10:42.16 |
clock_ |
no I am your alterego. You
subconscious |
10:42.28 |
cad86 |
perfect. |
10:42.30 |
cad86 |
see you. |
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16:43.36 |
IriX64 |
brlcad: off duty? :) |
17:50.50 |
IriX64 |
http://www.pastebin.ca/405334
< this should fix that bug I inadvertantly put in (mea
culpa) |
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18:22.09 |
brlcad |
off what? |
18:22.38 |
IriX64 |
not sure what it should be |
18:23.05 |
IriX64 |
err sorry |
18:23.11 |
brlcad |
not sure what you're talking about |
18:23.49 |
brlcad |
/dev/ogll and /dev/ogl are both valid if ogl
support is enabled, but mean different things |
18:24.12 |
IriX64 |
ty thought it should be one or the
other |
18:24.14 |
brlcad |
"ogl" is the device name, anything that
follows are settings |
18:24.27 |
brlcad |
there are a variety of possible settings
(brlman libfb) |
18:24.40 |
IriX64 |
thats what im missingf thanks |
18:24.45 |
brlcad |
l is one of them, meaning "linger" .. i.e.
don't close the window |
18:25.06 |
brlcad |
same is seen with /dev/X and /dev/Xl |
18:25.15 |
IriX64 |
got it |
18:25.16 |
brlcad |
X is the device, l means keep the window
open |
18:25.26 |
IriX64 |
ill learn :) |
18:25.30 |
brlcad |
there are others for using shared memory,
single/double buffering, etc |
18:25.39 |
IriX64 |
it is complex |
18:25.47 |
brlcad |
not really, just flexible |
18:26.06 |
IriX64 |
heh to you yes but im just starting
out |
18:30.11 |
IriX64 |
-msses ;) |
19:31.26 |
Maloeran |
Do you guys know anything about the potential
difficulties and risks of carrying a packed E-ATX computer case by
plane? |
19:31.35 |
Maloeran |
I assume it wouldn't be adviseable |
19:32.46 |
Maloeran |
I'm just not too inspired to demonstrate
raytracing on a crummy Sempron with 256kb of L2 cache when I have a
desktop 15 times faster |
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IriX64 |
Maloeran, buy a seat for it. |
19:35.50 |
IriX64 |
like viola players do |
19:36.18 |
Maloeran |
Ouch, is that the only safe way? I'm not sure
they would really let someone carry a big computer case in the
plane, they tend to be paranoid enough |
19:36.37 |
IriX64 |
say its a viola :) |
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19:40.25 |
IriX64 |
mmm maybe a pet cage then? |
19:41.20 |
dli |
I made some drawings, but forgot the set units
to "in". It's "mm" now, how could I fix this? |
20:02.16 |
IriX64 |
mc |
20:02.20 |
IriX64 |
sorry |
20:14.25 |
CIA-21 |
BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/TODO: Use NSIS
instead of InstallShield/MSI for Windows binary releases and
Generate plain .zip files too (suggestion by f_noel and others via
irc and myself, msi is crap) |
21:00.40 |
IriX64 |
is there such a thing as a weekly snapshot of
brlcad source? |
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22:42.10 |
louipc |
dli: maybe you can change the setting to
inches and scale everything down |
22:42.36 |
dli |
louipc, not sure about scaling :( |
22:42.43 |
louipc |
IriX64: you should really check out CVS
man |
22:43.03 |
dli |
louipc, I'm going to edit the binary .g
file |
22:43.15 |
louipc |
what's wrong with scaling? |
22:43.37 |
dli |
louipc, I see it's easier to go with binary
editor |
22:43.51 |
dli |
louipc, just one step, 1.00 =>
2.54 |
22:44.34 |
dli |
louipc, I haven't finished "scaling" in
tutorial yet |
22:44.41 |
louipc |
hehe ok |
22:45.45 |
dli |
louipc, scaling/matrix messed up |
22:46.05 |
louipc |
where in the file do you edit the
units? |
22:46.09 |
dli |
louipc, I think the qcad idea is better,
numbers can be in any units, so, make the numbers
abstract |
22:46.15 |
louipc |
oh I see |
22:46.58 |
louipc |
units^@1. |
22:47.01 |
louipc |
0000000000000000000000000e+00 |
22:47.08 |
louipc |
that's some crazy accuracy |
22:47.14 |
louipc |
er precision |
22:48.01 |
louipc |
dli: yeah the numbers are just interpreted
based on what you label the drawing |
22:49.07 |
louipc |
but imagine importing a drawing that you drew
based on metric into a drawing you drew based on imperial |
22:49.44 |
louipc |
the metric parts would be much bigger... so I
guess it's kind of nice to base the units off of a
standard |
22:50.13 |
dli |
louipc, no, doesn't work :( |
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22:51.30 |
dli |
louipc, no, binary editor doesn't work. now,
help to scale |
22:52.00 |
louipc |
dli: to convert from metric to imperial you
should divide by 25.4 actually |
22:52.19 |
louipc |
base units in metric is MM, not CM |
22:53.45 |
louipc |
hehe I'd have to go through the tutorial again
myself |
22:53.59 |
dli |
louipc, you do a test, you will see it fails
:( |
22:55.27 |
dli |
tell them to make the number and units
independent :( |
22:55.31 |
louipc |
yeah I usually don't muck around in binary
files :/ |
22:55.47 |
dli |
louipc, I don't know how to scale |
22:57.20 |
louipc |
hmm lets see |
23:02.14 |
dli |
louipc, this is very nasty :( |
23:05.19 |
louipc |
hmm ok you can change your settings to inch
and load in the file |
23:05.30 |
louipc |
then you need to scale it down |
23:05.47 |
dli |
louipc, how to scale? |
23:09.19 |
louipc |
hehe good question |
23:10.31 |
dli |
louipc, all I can see it to scale all prim and
matrix :( to redraw everything is even easier |
23:11.04 |
dli |
louipc, I can scale the final combination, but
the leaves all prims with funny numbers, not a solution at
all |
23:12.35 |
louipc |
how did you scale it? |
23:13.59 |
dli |
louipc, go to Edit -> Prim Selection or
Matrix selection |
23:14.43 |
dli |
louipc, then, you can " sca <factor>",
or "oscale <factor>" |
23:17.19 |
louipc |
ok |
23:18.53 |
louipc |
I'm not sure. I haven't actually used brlcad
for a long while. It should be easier though shouldn't
it? |
23:21.04 |
louipc |
I'm really just trying to get brlcad and all
the dependencies packaged nicely for my distro for now |
23:21.38 |
dli |
louipc, I use gentoo, so, easier with a simple
ebuild file |
23:22.55 |
louipc |
dli: yeah I made a basic package that just
uses the stuff in src/other but I want to split those into separate
packages so I don't need to re-install them every time |
23:23.20 |
louipc |
plus someone might find them useful for other
purposes |
23:25.24 |
dli |
louipc, I'm going home :( feel stupid now,
probably, redraw everything is easier |
23:25.45 |
dli |
louipc, btw, exporting as ascii doesn't
work |
23:25.51 |
louipc |
yeah but you won't learn how to scale
then |
23:26.00 |
dli |
louipc, otherwise, we can edit the ascii
file |
23:26.12 |
louipc |
yea |
23:26.24 |
dli |
louipc, I mean it exports, but that ascii file
is invalid at importing |
23:27.03 |
louipc |
oh hmm. I'm not sure how it's formatted so I
couldn't say what's wrong |
23:27.29 |
dli |
louipc, brlcad complains it's wrong |
23:27.43 |
brlcad |
IriX64: there were snapshots, but they're not
on-line atm |
23:27.54 |
louipc |
I understand |
23:28.22 |
louipc |
dli: I meant I couldn't specifically say what
the problem is |
23:29.02 |
brlcad |
louipc: units issues? |
23:29.21 |
dli |
brlcad, yes, how to change units from "mm" to
"in"? |
23:29.33 |
brlcad |
type: units in |
23:29.41 |
dli |
brlcad, "inch" |
23:29.55 |
dli |
brlcad, no :( it scales the
coordinates |
23:30.40 |
brlcad |
then sounds like you don't want to just change
the units being used, but resize things that are already
created? |
23:31.10 |
dli |
brlcad, no. I forgot to set it to "in", now,
how to correct this mistake |
23:31.40 |
louipc |
created a model basing it on 'in' but actually
drawing in 'mm' |
23:32.26 |
dli |
louipc, yes, because I'm going to import this
part into another database, I couldn't just ignore this |
23:32.26 |
brlcad |
gotya, so basically everything is too
small |
23:32.49 |
louipc |
yea |
23:32.54 |
dli |
brlcad, yes, also, funny numbers |
23:33.23 |
dli |
brlcad, I can use oscale to scale the whole
combination, but still leaving prim at funny numbers |
23:33.50 |
louipc |
hmm |
23:33.54 |
brlcad |
indeed, hmm |
23:34.12 |
brlcad |
what do you mean by funny? |
23:34.46 |
dli |
brlcad, because it has been scaled from
correct values |
23:35.13 |
louipc |
so the scale can apply to the combination as a
whole and not affect the prims? |
23:35.15 |
brlcad |
er, huh? :) |
23:35.52 |
brlcad |
i'm not following .. funny as in "seems wrong"
or just undesirable, or something else? |
23:35.54 |
dli |
brlcad, the geometries are with correct
numbers + wrong units. how to correct this |
23:36.43 |
brlcad |
assuming you don't have other matrices, the
easiest is to just apply a matrix edit and push it |
23:37.00 |
brlcad |
oed, sca, accept done |
23:37.24 |
dli |
brlcad, okay, I will forget this, just redraw
everything. I already knew your solution :( which is not a solution
to me at all |
23:37.46 |
brlcad |
curious, why? |
23:38.03 |
brlcad |
there are other ways too, but that's one of
the faster direct ways |
23:38.52 |
dli |
brlcad, I have an one inch cube, so I want to
see ( -0,5 0.5 ), not ( -0.019, 0.0019)*25.4 |
23:39.57 |
dli |
brlcad, even worse, during editing, I see (
-0.019, 0.019) with cat, and go to matrix selection to see the
25.4 |
23:40.48 |
dli |
brlcad, is there anyway to make ascii database
work? I can modify there |
23:41.34 |
brlcad |
dli: do you have other matrices in your
combinations? |
23:41.43 |
brlcad |
if not, it sounds like the missing step is
push |
23:41.54 |
brlcad |
push will apply the matrix to the
primitves |
23:41.59 |
dli |
brlcad, yes, and this part will be imported to
another database |
23:42.35 |
dli |
brlcad, hold on, I don't know the "push"
command |
23:42.52 |
brlcad |
push gets rid of the matrices, applying
them |
23:43.45 |
brlcad |
so instead of being a sphere centered at 0 0 0
with radius 10, with a pushed matrix, that might reposition,
rescale, etc depending on the matrices above it |
23:44.07 |
brlcad |
if you need to retain the matrices, though,
then you don't want to push |
23:44.34 |
dli |
brlcad, no, that doesn't help with
prims |
23:44.58 |
brlcad |
another alternative, going the ascii route is
to do a "keep" or File->Export in mged or g2asc on command-line,
then edit direct |
23:45.36 |
brlcad |
everything is numerically stored in mm, so
you'd edit units to say "in" and update the values
accordingly |
23:45.42 |
dli |
brlcad, I tried the ascii database, but can
not import the file |
23:46.33 |
brlcad |
why not? |
23:47.04 |
brlcad |
it will be sensitive to typos and other
errors |
23:48.34 |
dli |
brlcad, I can import now. let me try to edit
it |
23:48.48 |
brlcad |
i can ask one of the expert modellers what
they do tomorrow, there could be a command that does exactly this
that I just don't know about |
23:50.13 |
dli |
brlcad, so I have to change numbers in the
ascii file too? |
23:50.54 |
dli |
brlcad, I feel it's easier to redraw
everything manually |
23:59.29 |
IriX64 |
what other pastebins are there besides
pastebin.ca and pastebin.org? |