| 00:09.15 | IriX64 | good ole make -i |
| 00:09.41 | IriX64 | ill figure tclscripts out later :) |
| 00:14.40 | IriX64 | Tim Myers? are you the Tim Myers from weston road in Toronto? |
| 00:14.54 | IriX64 | how you been? |
| 00:16.06 | brlcad | you can be so random |
| 00:16.23 | IriX64 | why tclscripts are a pita :) |
| 00:16.37 | IriX64 | not random |
| 00:17.11 | IriX64 | joevalleyfield? question stands. |
| 00:20.18 | *** join/#brlcad poolio (n=poolio@c-69-251-3-107.hsd1.md.comcast.net) | |
| 00:20.32 | brlcad | Mario? ar you the Mario from Mario Bros.? Do you work for Nintendo? |
| 00:20.50 | IriX64 | heh yes actually have you seen luigi? |
| 00:21.11 | brlcad | he's tied up in the back room |
| 00:21.20 | IriX64 | to the typer i suppose |
| 00:21.20 | poolio | ah what? |
| 00:22.12 | louipc | no it's Mario Lemieux |
| 00:22.19 | IriX64 | But Tim i actually know... |
| 00:22.20 | louipc | (the better) |
| 00:22.28 | IriX64 | heh |
| 00:22.34 | brlcad | he's not the tim you know, k? |
| 00:22.37 | IriX64 | sore knees and all huh? |
| 00:22.41 | IriX64 | k |
| 00:25.06 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/other/libutahrle/Makefile.am: don't include the include dir because it's now a SUBDIR, otherwise distcheck whines |
| 00:25.36 | IriX64 | brlcad man it's after hours :) |
| 00:26.04 | IriX64 | ahh i see the effort that never sleeps ;) |
| 00:27.28 | IriX64 | well the exe's are installing |
| 00:28.39 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/other/ (tcl/Makefile.am tk/Makefile.am): |
| 00:28.39 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: the work is never done. clean up the build specification for tcl/tk so that |
| 00:28.39 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: other targets like install, distclean, distcheck, and even uninstall (which |
| 00:28.39 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: tcl/tk bastages don't provide themselves) now work. have to expand the unix |
| 00:28.39 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: subdir to appease distcheck success. |
| 00:42.36 | *** join/#brlcad bjorkBSD (n=bjork@ip70-178-214-102.ks.ks.cox.net) | |
| 00:58.40 | *** join/#brlcad poolio (n=poolio@c-69-251-3-107.hsd1.md.comcast.net) | |
| 00:59.23 | *** join/#brlcad louipc (n=louipc@bas8-toronto63-1096782368.dsl.bell.ca) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] | |
| 01:52.15 | IriX64 | whether to link against the opengl library=yes, whether to build against opengl = no :) |
| 01:52.37 | IriX64 | - :) |
| 01:53.59 | bjorkBSD | IriX64, are you compiling brl on irix? |
| 01:54.33 | IriX64 | my system is not irix, sorta a strange beast which is why i don't file formal bug reports |
| 01:55.24 | IriX64 | 80% of the bugs are probably due to my strange environment |
| 01:55.41 | IriX64 | but every once in a while its due to brlcad code |
| 01:55.54 | IriX64 | and brlcad said he wanted to know either way |
| 01:58.38 | IriX64 | bjorkBSD: are you a developer or user? |
| 01:59.47 | IriX64 | or a tinkerer like me :) |
| 02:00.23 | bjorkBSD | tinkerer. |
| 02:00.29 | bjorkBSD | do i sound *anything* like a developer?! |
| 02:00.44 | IriX64 | heh does it compile on your system? |
| 02:00.57 | bjorkBSD | i only play with it on bsd. |
| 02:01.05 | bjorkBSD | my irix box still lacks a head so i haven't tried it there yet. |
| 02:01.46 | IriX64 | ahh I see the nick interested you? |
| 02:02.05 | IriX64 | fellow user and all that, sorry don't know irix from beans |
| 02:02.21 | bjorkBSD | ah. |
| 02:02.56 | bjorkBSD | what oddment do you use then? |
| 02:02.56 | IriX64 | i know there are irix binaries though, probably so do you |
| 02:04.02 | IriX64 | oddment? you mean my system?= Cygwin |
| 02:04.07 | bjorkBSD | oh i see. |
| 02:04.18 | bjorkBSD | but brlcad runs on windows. |
| 02:04.20 | bjorkBSD | i'm sure you knew that :) |
| 02:05.11 | bjorkBSD | binary version. |
| 02:05.20 | IriX64 | have that prefer this |
| 02:05.59 | IriX64 | have you seen the examples rendered on this little system? |
| 02:06.43 | bjorkBSD | yes i've seen 'em. |
| 02:08.00 | bjorkBSD | see before i started on this misadventure, i thought 3d cad was gonna be a piece of cake |
| 02:08.11 | bjorkBSD | i just couldn't figure out how to put my room into it... |
| 02:08.30 | bjorkBSD | and then i read someplace that i had to know how to sketch decently. i was mortified. |
| 02:08.46 | bjorkBSD | hehehe |
| 02:47.34 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/ (48 files in 48 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 02:47.34 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: restructure library linkages so that brl-cad libraries no longer list their |
| 02:47.34 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: dependencies as a LIBADD. dependencies are moved into configure.ac and provided |
| 02:47.34 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: via _LIBS variables so that they are specified at link time. this supports |
| 02:47.34 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: hybrid static library compilation as well as other more varied mixture |
| 02:47.35 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: configurations. use the new _LIBS variables throughout. probably want to |
| 02:47.37 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: re-combine them later into a single symbol name per library but this will |
| 03:14.39 | deltazap | it's bad because i sat with autocad today to bang out a design so that i could take it to a metal shop to be made |
| 03:14.56 | deltazap | it was actually easier for me to use brlcad to make a model first :X |
| 03:15.18 | deltazap | now i'm just going to convert the database and markup with dimensions |
| 03:17.17 | bjorkBSD | inneresting |
| 03:39.52 | *** join/#brlcad joevalle1field (n=joevalle@bz.bzflag.bz) | |
| 03:41.21 | *** join/#brlcad brlcad (n=sean@pdpc/supporter/silver/brlcad) | |
| 03:41.21 | *** join/#brlcad IriX64 (n=mario_du@bas2-sudbury98-1178014963.dsl.bell.ca) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] | |
| 03:41.21 | *** join/#brlcad b0ef (n=b0ef@084202026226.customer.alfanett.no) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] | |
| 03:41.21 | *** join/#brlcad deltazap (n=zap@pool-72-64-253-55.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] | |
| 03:41.21 | *** mode/#brlcad [+o brlcad] by irc.freenode.net | |
| 03:42.58 | *** join/#brlcad brlcad (n=sean@bz.bzflag.bz) | |
| 03:46.27 | *** join/#brlcad zapp (n=zap@pool-72-64-253-55.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) | |
| 03:54.43 | zapp | whoa |
| 04:00.59 | *** join/#brlcad poolio (n=poolio@c-69-251-3-107.hsd1.md.comcast.net) | |
| 04:12.56 | *** join/#brlcad poolio (n=poolio@c-69-251-3-107.hsd1.md.comcast.net) | |
| 04:19.43 | *** join/#brlcad Maloeran (n=maloeran@glvortex.net) | |
| 05:16.24 | IriX64 | Maloeran: interested in a thread count? www.irix64.spaces.live.com |
| 05:16.48 | IriX64 | trying for 15000 next :) |
| 05:33.30 | *** join/#brlcad cadguy (n=cadguy@trapezewireless82.insecure.utah.edu) | |
| 05:35.21 | cadguy | Evening. Anyone know what the status of the CVS repository is? |
| 06:31.08 | *** join/#brlcad clock_ (i=clock@84-72-92-203.dclient.hispeed.ch) | |
| 07:23.25 | *** join/#brlcad clock_ (n=clock@zux221-122-143.adsl.green.ch) | |
| 07:41.39 | *** join/#brlcad SWPadnos_ (n=Me@dsl245.esjtvtli.sover.net) | |
| 09:36.56 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/libfft/Makefile.am: fftest needs libm |
| 09:42.23 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/librt/g_brep.cpp: get rid of fmax() and use V_MAX() instead |
| 10:28.12 | clock_ | brlcad: thanks for the extra button. |
| 10:28.21 | clock_ | When is the next release? :) |
| 10:28.29 | clock_ | I think that's gonna make the work much easier. |
| 13:00.54 | *** mode/#brlcad [+o brlcad] by ChanServ | |
| 13:20.42 | brlcad | hopefully today! |
| 13:20.52 | brlcad | i'm seeing green lights across the board |
| 13:21.00 | brlcad | doing run-time testing now |
| 13:21.01 | clock_ | brlcad: across the board? |
| 13:21.22 | clock_ | sound like seeing a ship coming while paddling on a surfboard |
| 13:21.31 | brlcad | I test compilation and run-time functionality across several platforms |
| 13:21.34 | clock_ | green lights are the left side or the right one? |
| 13:21.45 | brlcad | when they all seemingly "work", it's "green across the board" |
| 13:22.21 | clock_ | aha like in a train control centre? |
| 13:22.36 | brlcad | yes |
| 13:23.26 | clock_ | that means 7.x.y is going to appear on the sourceforge download page? |
| 13:30.12 | ``Erik | 7.10.0, and once he finishes his bench runs I'd hope... |
| 13:39.17 | brlcad | bench is already green |
| 13:39.21 | brlcad | i'm to mged testing |
| 13:42.36 | clock_ | bench is already green |
| 13:42.46 | clock_ | sounds like a pub visit that included vomiting |
| 13:43.13 | ``Erik | hehehe |
| 13:50.24 | bjorkBSD | disGUSTING clock_ |
| 13:56.44 | deltazap | when i get more time, i think i'm going to try to put together a MacPorts for brlcad |
| 13:57.06 | deltazap | i...uh...mean...if i get more time |
| 13:58.57 | ``Erik | should be reasonably easy, osX is one of the primary dev platforms |
| 13:59.18 | deltazap | yeah, i was surprised that there wasn't a MacPort already |
| 13:59.22 | brlcad | mmmacports.. good stuff |
| 14:00.24 | deltazap | it's the easiest way to get most gnu utils |
| 14:06.09 | ``Erik | once gnucash w as in macports, I dropped fink and totally migrated :) |
| 14:08.08 | deltazap | fink just never really seemed right |
| 14:09.09 | clock_ | mac maniacs always say everything on mac is perfect |
| 14:11.16 | ``Erik | not perfect, just a lot better than anything else :D |
| 14:11.16 | ``Erik | *duck* |
| 14:14.00 | deltazap | linux zealots tell people to fix the software themself when there's a bug report |
| 14:14.04 | deltazap | *ducks* |
| 14:15.43 | clock_ | yeah instead of doing their homework and fixing bugs which they themselves created ;-) |
| 14:16.21 | ``Erik | http://bash.org/?749223 |
| 14:18.16 | ``Erik | http://bash.org/?749430 |
| 14:18.22 | ``Erik | heheh linux quotes :) |
| 14:41.35 | *** join/#brlcad bjorkBSD (n=bjork@ip70-178-214-102.ks.ks.cox.net) | |
| 14:56.06 | *** join/#brlcad louipc_ (n=louipc@bas8-toronto63-1096670186.dsl.bell.ca) | |
| 15:57.37 | *** join/#brlcad louipc (n=louipc@bas8-toronto63-1096782617.dsl.bell.ca) | |
| 16:07.11 | *** join/#brlcad louipc__ (n=louipc@bas8-toronto63-1096668116.dsl.bell.ca) | |
| 16:16.55 | *** join/#brlcad louipc_ (n=louipc@bas8-toronto63-1096782365.dsl.bell.ca) | |
| 16:32.38 | *** join/#brlcad louipc (n=louipc@bas8-toronto63-1096669506.dsl.bell.ca) | |
| 16:43.15 | *** join/#brlcad louipc__ (n=louipc@bas8-toronto63-1088753754.dsl.bell.ca) | |
| 16:54.37 | IriX64 | www.irix64.spaces.live.com (Feb.21 albumn) |
| 16:57.10 | IriX64 | louipc: neat :) |
| 17:02.16 | *** join/#brlcad TimRiker (n=timr@pdpc/supporter/bronze/TimRiker) | |
| 17:02.35 | TimRiker | hmm.. brlman "for those systems that do not have nroff" is used on debian? |
| 17:04.21 | TimRiker | hehe. "wall" is not "wall" anymore. |
| 17:05.30 | IriX64 | starting one from your distributed files |
| 17:05.40 | TimRiker | brlterm on debian should run x-terminal-emulator, NOT xterm. |
| 17:05.48 | IriX64 | lets see if my bug goes away :) |
| 17:05.53 | brlcad | oop, sorry, reading elsewhere |
| 17:06.47 | *** join/#brlcad louipc (n=louipc@bas8-toronto63-1096782728.dsl.bell.ca) | |
| 17:07.07 | TimRiker | hd and wall need renaming. :) |
| 17:07.13 | brlcad | TimRiker: brlterm? |
| 17:07.41 | TimRiker | in the debian package. starts up an xterm with /usr/brlcad/bin in the path before other things. |
| 17:08.13 | brlcad | ah, sounds like something the guy that made the .deb put together |
| 17:08.20 | TimRiker | I don't use xterm. I use urxvt which x-terminal-emulator would start, but brlterm (the shell script) explicitly starts xterm. |
| 17:08.31 | TimRiker | yeah, the deb needs work. |
| 17:09.57 | TimRiker | where is the tutorial? |
| 17:10.18 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10rtcmp/tri.c: notify if using tri-cache |
| 17:10.21 | TimRiker | what does the windows version look like? does in just install a bunch of separate binaries too? |
| 17:10.25 | brlcad | there are several tutorials on http://brlcad.org/ |
| 17:10.42 | brlcad | as well as cheat sheets, developer guides, etc |
| 17:11.21 | TimRiker | "Introduction to MGED" ? I was expecting a link that said tutorial, or getting started, etc. |
| 17:11.35 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10rtcmp/rtcmp.h: function prototypes... |
| 17:11.57 | TimRiker | I don't even know what MGED is yet. |
| 17:13.02 | bjorkBSD | heh TimRiker you sound just like me! |
| 17:13.47 | bjorkBSD | but the truth is 3d modeling is a sophisticated dark art. |
| 17:14.00 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10rtcmp/perfcomp.c: Simple partition list comparison function, reports RMS deviation if it makes sense. Shoot spiral bundles instead of the same ray (should probably be changed to an ortho grid to keep ray density uniform) |
| 17:14.01 | ``Erik | gui frontend for "the system" and modeler |
| 17:14.01 | bjorkBSD | akin to composing music or creating mathematical models :) |
| 17:14.31 | bjorkBSD | the software's just there to enhance the skills you have. |
| 17:15.10 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10rtcmp/rtcmp.c: use the partition list comparison function instead of blindly printing out the lists |
| 17:16.06 | IriX64 | woe befalls anybody who commits a sin ;) |
| 17:18.05 | IriX64 | isn't that interesting, restarting configure works now. |
| 17:18.08 | brlcad | TimRiker: yes .. particularly confusing as "BRL-CAD" is actually a system of tools and does not (currently) have a unifying interface.. a bazaar of 400 tools and a couple dozen libraries |
| 17:18.26 | TimRiker | ``Erik: yeah, figured that out. my comment was on the brlcad.org home page, it points to MGED but does not explain what it is. |
| 17:18.30 | brlcad | mged is just the predominant gui interface at the moment that most associate with BRL-CAD |
| 17:18.36 | *** join/#brlcad louipc_ (n=louipc@bas8-toronto63-1096735174.dsl.bell.ca) | |
| 17:19.06 | TimRiker | brlcad: not a problem. same could be said for pbm-tools et. al. |
| 17:19.07 | brlcad | TimRiker: there's lots of "pre-existing" expert knowledge expected frankly that is acquired, expert-friendly per-se |
| 17:19.09 | ``Erik | heh, wha'ts mged stand for again? Monstrosity of a Gui EDitor? O:-D |
| 17:19.33 | brlcad | multiple-device geometry editor |
| 17:20.13 | TimRiker | brlcad: just the home page should show "Introduction to MGED (multiple-device geometry editor)" or similar. |
| 17:20.19 | IriX64 | military groups of excited developers ``Erik :) |
| 17:20.35 | brlcad | TimRiker: heh, the web site needs a lot more than that ;) |
| 17:20.44 | brlcad | very minimal "brain dump" of information |
| 17:20.47 | bjorkBSD | *coughs* |
| 17:20.51 | bjorkBSD | ah yes. the home page. |
| 17:20.54 | bjorkBSD | *coughs* |
| 17:21.26 | TimRiker | hehe |
| 17:21.26 | bjorkBSD | *hides in embarassment* |
| 17:21.33 | brlcad | it's back to being #1 priority after this next release :) |
| 17:23.09 | brlcad | TimRiker: in all fairness, the very first document (Overview of BRL-CAD) did explain what MGED is |
| 17:23.24 | bjorkBSD | is brlcad the oldest 3d cad program. ever? |
| 17:24.16 | brlcad | it's close, but i don't think so |
| 17:24.32 | brlcad | probably the oldest still in use, and certainly the oldest open source cad system |
| 17:24.40 | ``Erik | first line in '79, yo |
| 17:24.47 | TimRiker | brlcad: perhaps. only scanned the intro so far. |
| 17:24.59 | brlcad | I think the magi corp's modeler actually came first |
| 17:25.34 | brlcad | brl-cad does (still) include the very first distributed parallel ray-tracer |
| 17:27.51 | IriX64 | http://www.pastebin.ca/422731 (don't quite grok this ) |
| 17:28.47 | *** join/#brlcad SWPadnos__ (n=Me@dsl245.esjtvtli.sover.net) | |
| 17:28.54 | ``Erik | erm, it's a test to see if tcl works... why do you need to grok it? |
| 17:28.59 | ``Erik | (part of a test, rather...) |
| 17:29.35 | IriX64 | cause i have a system lib and cant get your file to recognize the fact |
| 17:30.23 | IriX64 | keeps saying try enabling tcl build |
| 17:30.23 | ``Erik | look for the offending section in config.log |
| 17:30.27 | IriX64 | ty i dinna thought of that |
| 17:31.54 | IriX64 | blah, tcl_init returned error |
| 17:32.00 | IriX64 | farkles |
| 17:32.46 | ``Erik | heh... and you got segfaults in libtcl itself a few days ago... seriously, dude, are you sure your system tcl isn't borked? |
| 17:32.49 | brlcad | there's a typo in there too |
| 17:32.53 | brlcad | that is fixed on head |
| 17:33.05 | brlcad | but then you're still not using head |
| 17:33.37 | IriX64 | the seg faults i fixed, now using tcl8.4 |
| 17:33.49 | IriX64 | should work whats the typo? |
| 17:34.08 | ``Erik | bah, libtool is outsmarting itself again, src/adrt/isst/master fails on fbsd, openpty and forkpty are in /usr/lib/libutil.so and it keeps linking src/adrt/libutil/libutil.la :/ |
| 17:34.23 | IriX64 | :) |
| 17:34.47 | IriX64 | and i thought my stuff was "fraught" :) |
| 17:36.32 | TimRiker | timr@slop:~$ wall |
| 17:36.33 | TimRiker | wall: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by /usr/brlcad/lib/librt.so.19) |
| 17:36.33 | TimRiker | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:38.41 | TimRiker | so back on the pdp-11 screenshot, what app is running? is that stuff still around? ie could one setup brl-cad on a pdp-11 ? |
| 17:38.44 | brlcad | sounds like the .deb was compiled against an incompatible glibc? |
| 17:38.55 | TimRiker | yep. looks that way. |
| 17:39.47 | brlcad | that screenshot is an old version of "ged", the precursor to mged |
| 17:40.07 | brlcad | i'm not sure anyone has tried in at least 10 years, but yes .. most of the code/pieces to work are there |
| 17:40.27 | *** join/#brlcad louipc (n=louipc@bas8-toronto63-1088754591.dsl.bell.ca) | |
| 17:40.53 | brlcad | probably have issues compiling directly that would need tweaking, but nothing major (mostly adoption / assumption of an ansi-compliant compiler, which pdp-11 didn't have) |
| 17:41.31 | brlcad | TimRiker: but to give you an idea, I have compiled brl-cad under simh (running a bsd variant) |
| 17:41.59 | IriX64 | ``Erik i'm going to fake it out and see what happens |
| 17:42.00 | deltazap | quick question about converting from a g database to dxf |
| 17:42.01 | brlcad | no gui obviously, at least I don't know how to simulate a framebuffer in simh |
| 17:42.37 | brlcad | deltazap: shoot |
| 17:43.42 | deltazap | i don't know if i did it right :P |
| 17:44.13 | deltazap | this is what i typed in "/usr/brlcad/bin/g-dxf -i -oskids.dxf skids.g skids.c > skids.dxf" and it seems like qcad isn't showing anything |
| 17:44.41 | deltazap | but another question, if i'm using the -o switch, i shouldn't need to redirect the stream, right? |
| 17:50.26 | brlcad | doesn't look right |
| 17:50.37 | brlcad | -o skids.dxf and no redirect iirc |
| 17:51.29 | brlcad | crossing the streams would be bad |
| 17:52.59 | *** join/#brlcad louipc_ (n=louipc@bas8-toronto63-1096668101.dsl.bell.ca) | |
| 17:53.55 | ``Erik | I've been slimed! |
| 17:54.05 | TimRiker | brlcad: simh does not have gui support in mainstream, but there are patches. what OS did you use? |
| 17:54.07 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/src/adrt/ (8 files in 8 dirs): since libutil is forced static, skip libtool and just build a static lib (fixes build issue on OS's where the system libutil is required for python) |
| 17:55.47 | ``Erik | a netbsd iirc |
| 17:55.49 | ``Erik | ? |
| 17:56.31 | brlcad | i played with a 4.3 bsd I ran across, but ultimately went to town with a netbsd |
| 17:56.42 | IriX64 | finally churning a compile |
| 17:56.54 | ``Erik | did you do pdp11? I thought you did a vax |
| 17:57.17 | TimRiker | I fired up unix V5 in simh the other say. (that's version 5 not system 5) |
| 17:57.54 | ``Erik | <-- was having fun with lisp on pdp1 last year :) |
| 17:57.56 | brlcad | did ``Erik: i got even farther with the vax and netbsd |
| 17:58.12 | TimRiker | there are some claimed pdp-1 parts on ebay atm. |
| 17:58.29 | *** join/#brlcad louipc__ (n=louipc@bas8-toronto63-1096782795.dsl.bell.ca) | |
| 17:58.50 | bjorkBSD | TimRiker, like the on/off switch? |
| 17:59.06 | TimRiker | heh. nope. plugin boards. |
| 17:59.08 | bjorkBSD | i have prime waterfront property to sell to you if you're interested :) |
| 17:59.13 | ``Erik | "honest, this vacuum tube really is from a pdp1!" |
| 17:59.52 | TimRiker | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170097918224 for example. |
| 18:00.39 | ``Erik | well, they look like pdp modules |
| 18:00.53 | brlcad | but do they smell like pdp modules |
| 18:00.56 | IriX64 | a tube that looks like a board? neat :) |
| 18:00.58 | bjorkBSD | they look like they were built from a popular electronics article. |
| 18:01.01 | ``Erik | but I already have a computer about as useful as a pdp1 would be |
| 18:01.40 | ``Erik | hehehe, electrolytics were the best, nice big pop :D |
| 18:01.41 | IriX64 | thos are resistors heating your basement |
| 18:01.49 | IriX64 | those too |
| 18:02.14 | IriX64 | all sorts of 5 watt resistors :) |
| 18:02.37 | ``Erik | quarter watt resistors make pretty flashes and "woofs" when you put wall power on them |
| 18:03.42 | ``Erik | solder under wall power is crazy, though, vaporizes some of the metal, the flux goes crazy, and makes a fun little shower of molten/burning material, along with a nice big black mark on the outlet |
| 18:03.58 | brlcad | so that's where henry's been hiding when he plays hide-n-seek |
| 18:04.00 | IriX64 | which pase does that ``Erik :P |
| 18:04.07 | IriX64 | phase too |
| 18:04.40 | ``Erik | regular old 117v 60hz wall socket shtuff, irix, no need to bust open the breaker box and fry yourself on the three-legged stuff |
| 18:05.06 | ``Erik | (was using fine 60/40 electronics solder, though, the skinny stuff) |
| 18:05.22 | IriX64 | heh the 70 requires it had to find it somewhere |
| 18:05.22 | ``Erik | ah, the joys of stupid youth |
| 18:05.49 | IriX64 | developmental youth |
| 18:11.27 | TimRiker | brlcad: hehe. he was hiding behind it just the other day. :) I also have a double rack full of other HP crap^Wstuff |
| 18:11.51 | TimRiker | most of the rest: http://rikers.org/gallery/hardware/20050615_012504 |
| 18:11.51 | TimRiker | plenty in #classiccmp |
| 18:12.33 | IriX64 | 3 board computer cpu,mem,floppy sweet machine |
| 18:14.33 | bjorkBSD | TimRiker, what do these machines do? |
| 18:14.42 | bjorkBSD | consuming 1's and 0's? :P |
| 18:15.57 | ``Erik | mmmm, 1's and 0's, binarybits :) a simpler food then hexadecimal bits, but more filling |
| 18:16.31 | IriX64 | ``Erik, there are less bits how can it be more filling ? |
| 18:17.13 | IriX64 | errr never mind they translate :) |
| 19:20.03 | TimRiker | bjorkBSD: I used a 4 user time shared basic environment on an old HP-2114B system. I could in theory run the same environment on my hardware. There are other HP OSes that can run there too, but my goal is a time shared basic system. |
| 19:22.11 | bjorkBSD | ah okay. |
| 19:23.20 | TimRiker | bjorkBSD: simh will emulate them if you want to get a feel for it. |
| 19:23.29 | bjorkBSD | hmm i see. |
| 19:24.30 | archivist | I sometimes wonder which HP computer the 5420A signal analyser has in the center section |
| 19:25.55 | bjorkBSD | about the only thing that ever seems to get everyone chattering on here's oldhardware and machine/metalwork. |
| 19:26.00 | bjorkBSD | very odd. |
| 19:26.10 | bjorkBSD | ... and rc planes. and 'lectronics. |
| 19:26.20 | bjorkBSD | spheroids? rhomboids? never! |
| 19:28.37 | bjorkBSD | see? i told ya. |
| 19:30.59 | archivist | I just saw the new price in 1978 $29900 |
| 19:33.10 | bjorkBSD | you have any 'scopes? |
| 19:33.21 | archivist | a few |
| 19:33.43 | archivist | mostly Tektronix |
| 19:34.01 | bjorkBSD | analog? |
| 19:34.06 | TimRiker | http://www.teknetelectronics.com/Search.asp?p_ID=16352 <- there's a computer in there? |
| 19:34.21 | IriX64 | http://www.pastebin.ca/422879 (how now with system tcl (which I do have)) |
| 19:34.58 | archivist | TimRiker, bottom section in that picture |
| 19:35.39 | bjorkBSD | damn you collect expensive toys, archivist. |
| 19:36.18 | archivist | they "were" expensive new, I cannot afford any new HP gear |
| 19:36.53 | TimRiker | no idea. don't recognize that machine. |
| 19:37.24 | archivist | I must pull a pcb or two see if any numbers ring a bell |
| 19:38.19 | archivist | I loads its program from an internal tape drive in the top section |
| 19:39.53 | archivist | the tape drives have died so no longer usable |
| 19:47.29 | archivist | wee it has an internal label stating processor 2105A |
| 19:48.28 | archivist | I left the tape section next door |
| 19:50.26 | TimRiker | 2105A is supposed to be like the 2108A from what I recall. perhaps shorter? http://rikers.org/gallery/hardware-hp2108a/20050415_132446 |
| 19:52.35 | TimRiker | inside the front: http://rikers.org/gallery/hardware-hp2108a/20050415_132501 |
| 19:52.48 | archivist | this seems somewhat built around inside the middle section with interface and memory etc |
| 19:53.23 | TimRiker | inside the back; http://rikers.org/gallery/hardware-hp2108a/20050415_132632 |
| 19:53.35 | archivist | could be thats a lot taller |
| 19:53.55 | TimRiker | notice the card slots on front and rear. memory cards go on the front, and i/o cards on the rear. |
| 19:54.14 | TimRiker | the 2112a is similar but taller. Perhaps the 2105 is shorter? |
| 19:54.25 | archivist | heh identical label on rear about which way up |
| 19:54.54 | archivist | another 4 screws.... |
| 19:56.10 | TimRiker | my 2108 has 4 mem boards and a controller. there are higher density mem cards though, so it could have 64k(bytes) with just 2 cards. |
| 19:57.18 | TimRiker | there are pics in the gallery of the both sides of the main board on the 2108a |
| 20:00.54 | archivist | 11 screws 4 card frame 3 in it |
| 20:02.21 | archivist | 64k mem 12747A |
| 20:03.41 | archivist | 2102B mem controller |
| 20:13.54 | TimRiker | mine is a 2102A mem controller. |
| 20:14.32 | TimRiker | 64k? not 32k? that's really 128kb then. |
| 20:17.07 | deltazap | brlcad: i had tried the converter that way, but it actually didn't do anything for me |
| 20:17.07 | deltazap | and i think the qcad demo can't do anything with it.... |
| 20:17.08 | TimRiker | you need some kind of extended mem hardware for that. I don't have any. JayWest would be one to ask. so you've got twice the RAM I have. :) |
| 20:17.08 | TimRiker | archivist: are there i/o cards on the other side? what cards? |
| 20:17.08 | archivist | yes a gpib and an interface and a termination card |
| 20:19.04 | archivist | 1 odd card with 3 74S181 on it and a large ttl etc card underneath the frame (ttl) and a bunch of cards marked with 82s115's |
| 20:19.30 | archivist | and another card marked booster microcode |
| 20:19.44 | TimRiker | ask on #classiccmp and see if anyone there knows. |
| 20:20.12 | archivist | may be a special for the instrument |
| 20:20.20 | TimRiker | perhaps. |
| 20:21.13 | TimRiker | I expect the machine would run the 4 user MSU time shared basic with only a bit of tweaking. tweaking that's not done yet though. |
| 20:21.14 | brlcad | deltazap: "didn't do anything" as in didn't create a file? created an empty file? what was in there? |
| 20:21.20 | brlcad | did it output an error? |
| 20:24.27 | *** join/#brlcad clock_ (i=clock@84-72-92-21.dclient.hispeed.ch) | |
| 20:36.11 | *** join/#brlcad docelic (n=docelic@212.15.177.47) | |
| 20:55.04 | *** join/#brlcad docelic_ (n=docelic@212.91.115.66) | |
| 21:13.51 | deltazap | sorry for blinking in and out |
| 21:13.53 | deltazap | when i do "/usr/brlcad/bin/g-dxf -i -o skids.dxf skids.g skids.c |
| 21:14.10 | deltazap | it just says "skids.dxf: no such file" |
| 21:14.35 | deltazap | but that should be the right syntax and switches |
| 21:27.31 | deltazap | hah, oh great :-\ |
| 21:27.42 | deltazap | it looks like autocad 2002 doesn't like my dxf |
| 23:03.49 | *** join/#brlcad TimRiker (n=timr@216.49.181.128) | |
| 23:50.35 | brlcad | aha! found and fixed the last remaining tcl bug holding up release |