IRC log for #brlcad on 20070410

00:10.22 IriX64 ahh a homebody :)
00:10.33 *** part/#brlcad tedcx (n=root@71.237.138.185)
00:12.09 IriX64 it's too
00:18.42 IriX64 57 minutes 16 seconds, but it completed :)
00:19.49 IriX64 now to build another mug, what color please ;)
00:23.27 IriX64 you guys should choose a love biscuit for your project you know, something like project KryStal :)
00:37.36 IriX64 mmm the x framebuffer comes up but the ogl one does not
00:42.29 IriX64 bwaha... it's photon mapping havoc
00:43.57 IriX64 http://www.pastebin.ca/432024 hehehhee
00:48.37 IriX64 hot oil for you tonight cassandra :)
00:48.57 IriX64 errr maybe warm elctrons
00:49.03 IriX64 electrons too
01:09.20 IriX64 http://irix64.spaces.live.com brl-cad albumn... Unix high on windows
01:11.28 IriX64 man, 5 cygwin dll's and this thing works on my windereze boxen.
01:11.41 IriX64 still need an x serv tho
01:13.32 brlcad IriX64: you should fix those overlaps
01:14.30 IriX64 heh ill put that in a s a tutorial
01:14.35 IriX64 as
01:16.55 IriX64 gonna transfer that dir to my windows xp-home machine and see if itll come up.
01:17.10 IriX64 no cygwin on that machine
01:18.01 IriX64 urf bad idea, no xserv either
01:22.05 IriX64 sean, i'm running this thing *outside the cygwin environment, and it's sweet.
01:22.55 brlcad it would be sweeter if you cleared up the overlaps
01:23.13 IriX64 xservs are xservs, anybody with a windows box that has an xserv on it should be able to drop this directory in and run it.
01:23.40 IriX64 overlaps there a tool for that which doesn't work yet
01:24.22 IriX64 show you a screenshot in a sec...
01:28.14 brlcad rtcheck will report on overlaps, and visualize them if run from within mged
01:30.17 IriX64 http://irix64.spaces.live.com/photos the brl-cad albumn have a look
01:33.52 IriX64 now have a look at the editor (Overlap tool2)
01:54.15 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/ (ChangeLog NEWS TODO configure.ac include/config_win.h): final release preparations, update to 7.10.0
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02:01.14 brlcad hellos malcoholm
02:01.25 brlcad goodbyes malcoholm
02:01.52 IriX64 heh you scared him
02:02.22 IriX64 moody too
02:02.53 IriX64 those muli-dfines keep my ogl from working
02:03.01 IriX64 defines too
02:03.15 brlcad seriously.. get .. over .. it
02:03.19 brlcad it's already fixed in head
02:03.25 brlcad and a release is about to be made
02:03.27 IriX64 heh i gripe a lot :)
02:03.32 brlcad so you can complain if the latest doesn't work
02:03.48 IriX64 seriously how soon?
02:04.01 brlcad you did just see the commit, no?
02:04.12 IriX64 didn't notice just a sec.
02:04.34 IriX64 its there?
02:04.56 brlcad what did I just write?
02:05.41 IriX64 where sourceforge.net still lists 7.8.4 as latest
02:06.05 brlcad i said nothing about sourceforge
02:06.12 IriX64 where then?
02:06.25 brlcad forget it
02:06.29 brlcad just wait for the announcement
02:06.36 IriX64 ok ty
02:50.27 brlcad source tarball is now uploaded, binaries and e-mail announcements on their way through tomorrow
03:00.27 deltazap brlcad: anything that i should know about building it myself?
03:02.43 brlcad deltazap: erhm.. dunno
03:02.59 brlcad there are a variety of configure options for various situations
03:03.12 brlcad default should get you somewhere.. if it doesn't, it's a build bug
03:03.46 brlcad this update includes a lot of dependency updates too, so I'm entirely expecting there to be some instability on some environments
03:03.57 brlcad not run-time -- compile-time instabilities
03:07.23 *** topic/#brlcad by brlcad -> BRL-CAD Open Source Solid Modeling || http://brlcad.org || http://sf.net/projects/brlcad || http://fisheye1.cenqua.com/browse/brlcad/brlcad || 7.10 is now released! .. e-mail announcements will follow posting of binary distributions
03:49.03 IriX64 jack-104: are you a serious user of brl-cad or like me just a novice?
03:57.14 ``Erik heh, moody blues were pretty awesome
04:05.45 IriX64 moody blues music is beautiful
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05:22.38 IriX64 best hello world program i ever wrote... and it runs without cygwin1.dll ;)
05:29.56 clock_ cygwin1.dll is evil
05:30.18 IriX64 heh so is cygcrypt.dll :)
05:30.27 clock_ Cygwin detected a version mismatch between various versions of cygwin1.dll - now you need to search your system and delete one of them
05:30.40 clock_ very nice if you are doing something that's supposed to work for a layman
05:30.47 IriX64 been there done that
05:30.55 clock_ like cygwin1.dll couldn't delete itself automatically? ;-)
05:31.14 IriX64 should by all rights be back and forward compatible no?
05:31.19 IriX64 :)
05:31.23 clock_ no it isn't
05:31.32 IriX64 i know
05:31.41 clock_ if you have Cygwin installed and run a program that's shipped with own cygwin.dll, it blows up
05:31.59 IriX64 sadly true, both blow up
05:32.12 clock_ if you don't ship a program with cygwin.dll then it doesn't run without cygwin installed and installing cygwin is a major pita
05:32.23 IriX64 true
05:32.39 IriX64 which is why id like -mno-cygwin to work
05:32.46 clock_ ;-)
05:32.52 IriX64 :)
05:36.40 IriX64 jack-104: what are you doing playing with that mug when people want to talk to you :)
06:21.22 IriX64 wake up :)
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10:18.37 deltazap ruh-roh!
10:19.07 deltazap make errored out
10:19.35 deltazap " No rule to make target `jove-tutorial', needed by `all-am'. Stop."
10:23.28 deltazap this with "make --enable-almost-everything --enable-optimized"
10:49.57 deltazap er...not make, where's my head this morning
10:50.02 deltazap <PROTECTED>
11:53.53 brlcad deltazap: bah..
11:53.58 brlcad add --disable-jove
11:54.16 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/other/jove/Makefile.am: missing jove-tutorial from dist
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13:36.36 deltazap brlcad: hey, that's what i'm here for: testing
13:36.41 deltazap all i know is "pres butan to go"
14:10.58 clock_ press butane to go?
14:13.47 deltazap bad mac joke :P
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18:27.29 IriX64 deltazap.... try make creation :P
18:29.24 brlcad deltazap: :)
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18:42.33 IriX64 is it easier to maintain, splitting the configure up like that?
18:43.58 brlcad our configure is nearly four thousand lines.. not sure I'd call that "split up"
18:44.22 IriX64 was referring to the configure that runs for tcl tk
18:44.36 IriX64 stead of pre 7.10 style
18:47.55 brlcad we didn't "split it up", I just let configure run it's own -- they have their own build setup
18:48.13 IriX64 understood
19:05.14 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/proc-db/.cvsignore: ignore brep_simple
19:23.10 brlcad you're probably still better off with --enable-all --disable-jove
19:23.22 IriX64 will try this first
19:24.14 IriX64 but im easy lets do that. ;)
19:25.15 IriX64 jove is deprecated?
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19:27.57 brlcad jove has been deprecated for a decade
19:28.24 IriX64 heh thats why no lightning bolts ?
19:29.07 brlcad huh?
19:29.31 IriX64 heh norse mythology , but i'm getting thor and jove mixed up :)
19:29.54 brlcad and zeus apparently
19:29.57 IriX64 err jove and zeus
19:30.02 IriX64 :)
19:31.41 daggerr thor did make thunder too :)
19:32.12 IriX64 mjolinor forever :)
19:32.22 IriX64 did i spell it right?
19:32.41 daggerr IriX64, i dont know :) in sweden its spelled mjölner
19:32.52 IriX64 ty :)
19:33.45 IriX64 how do you do that over the o?
19:33.51 IriX64 alt combo?
19:34.22 daggerr IriX64, i just press the key wit an ö on it :)
19:34.32 daggerr i've got a swedish keyboard :)
19:35.07 IriX64 heh make sense then
19:35.11 IriX64 makes too
19:36.38 IriX64
19:36.40 IriX64 there
19:42.10 IriX64 daggerr are you experienced at cad with brl-cad? (im here to learn, don't worry i won't badger you with questions)
19:42.42 daggerr IriX64, in here for the same reason as you :)
19:42.49 daggerr I've used it a little bit
19:42.58 daggerr but it was almost a year ago
19:42.59 IriX64 good place for it :)
19:43.35 daggerr if you have a question the ppl in this channel seems to be eager to help so i found it really good back then :)
19:43.48 IriX64 im just playing with the examples haven't really even got my mug yet
19:48.54 daggerr IriX64, i did the radio then i started working on my own projects
19:49.23 IriX64 I'll get to that some day :)
19:51.04 daggerr IriX64, i think it was the first. it was in the introduction to mged or so.. i dont remember exactly :)
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20:04.19 IriX64 :) have played with the tutorial but i'm lousy at geometry so don't know how well i'll make out
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20:44.23 joevalle1field any meshes in .g floating around?
20:45.19 brlcad joevalle1field: how big you need?
20:45.50 joevalle1field no size in particular
20:48.22 ``Erik several, I can get you the hilux... (I haven't gotten you rf becuase of BRL-CAD related build issues... stupid c++ pollution)
20:48.45 ``Erik or you can just hop in mged and facetize something...
20:49.15 brlcad yeah, that or g-nmg is probably the fastest start
20:49.41 brlcad else I have t62 already facetized around here somewhere too as well as some humanoid thing you'd probably recognize
20:49.50 ``Erik heh
20:50.12 ``Erik got a cornelius? :D
20:53.25 joevalle1field what's a cornelius?
20:54.02 ``Erik demo geometry that comes with blender
20:54.19 ``Erik also a dude on planet of teh grapes
20:54.25 joevalle1field :)
20:55.11 ``Erik http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Image:Manual-Part-V-TweakEx11.png
20:55.15 ``Erik http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Image:Manual-Part-IV-Warp2.jpg
20:55.20 ``Erik http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Image:Manual-Part-IV-CorneliusMap.jpg
20:55.23 ``Erik cornelius :D
20:56.21 brlcad brl-cad's mascot should be a moose
20:56.49 ``Erik get to modelin', boy
20:57.09 brlcad i already have a scan of a moose's head, taken from ct scan data, but just the bones
20:57.46 joevalle1field do you have a photo of a moose's outer you know
20:58.19 joevalle1field bones and a photo should be a good start
20:58.40 brlcad heh, http://www.dynamore.de/models/con_models_moose.php?frame=ok
20:59.24 ``Erik heh, the quality of models meatspace sim people use... heh... *smirk*
20:59.34 brlcad just what everyone needs.. an ls-dyna moose crash dummy model
20:59.46 joevalle1field cute but not alot of mascot potential
21:00.51 joevalle1field now you're talking
21:15.05 clock_ brlcad: can you model boobs, ass and the rest of a woman with BRL-CAD?
21:16.17 clock_ brlcad: easily?
21:16.17 IriX64 http://irix64/spaces.live.com/photos/brl-cad
21:16.17 brlcad clock_: only mathematically perfect ones :)
21:17.17 brlcad easily
21:17.18 ``Erik heh, wow, she's packin' perfect spheres!
21:17.18 brlcad otherwise, it's import
21:17.18 IriX64 err http://irix64.spaces.live.com/photos/brl-cad
21:17.18 clock_ brlcad: now I see the power of CSG
21:17.18 clock_ A part of the woman could be modeled by subtracting a suitably positioned man
21:17.24 bjorkBSD holy shit the room's getting crowded!
21:17.28 clock_ i. e. saves work when modelling both
21:17.47 bjorkBSD yhwh?
21:18.03 brlcad yhwh?
21:18.12 ``Erik hryaw
21:18.15 ``Erik http://sourceforge.net/projects/makehuman
21:18.52 bjorkBSD ah. i thought he was referring to his yahweh-ish powers to makehuman.
21:19.13 clock_ what shape are boobs?
21:19.18 ``Erik http://www.dedalo-3d.com/index.php
21:19.19 clock_ Paraboloid? Ellipsoid?
21:19.27 bjorkBSD clock_, take a look at yours.
21:19.28 ``Erik you've never seen any, before?
21:19.34 ``Erik s/,//
21:19.43 bjorkBSD the room was dimly lit.
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21:20.09 clock_ bjorkBSD: I don't have boobs, despite the fact I am attracted to men
21:20.19 clock_ bjorkBSD: and I am not a flat woman either
21:20.21 bjorkBSD what do you have them?
21:20.26 bjorkBSD *then.
21:20.31 bjorkBSD and i thought you were a boy. n/m.
21:20.39 clock_ bjorkBSD: yes I am a boy
21:20.57 IriX64 boyo
21:21.08 bjorkBSD well, all mammals have breasts.
21:21.24 IriX64 nipples not breasts
21:21.36 bjorkBSD that's right.
21:21.42 bjorkBSD so that should be easy to model.
21:21.44 bjorkBSD a '.'.
21:21.49 bjorkBSD start from that and grow it :)
21:22.01 IriX64 :)
21:23.12 IriX64 reminds me of that .g file ``Erik ;)
21:24.35 bjorkBSD clock are you modeling living things?
21:24.54 clock_ bjorkBSD: no
21:27.50 brlcad he's modeling cool network equipment
21:27.56 bjorkBSD heheheh
21:28.11 brlcad seriously, pretty nifty model
21:28.36 brlcad great example of what can be done in a relatively short while
21:28.46 bjorkBSD really? can we see?
21:29.30 clock_ http://ronja.twibright.com/ronja_video.php
21:29.59 clock_ http://ronja.twibright.com/3d/
21:31.17 bjorkBSD pretty damned cool, clock.
21:31.28 ``Erik well... "breast" is a word that's been mutating, it used to be very gender neutral...
21:31.35 deltazap see, now you're just showing off that you can get things into autocad :P
21:31.41 clock_ bjorkBSD: thanks
21:31.50 brlcad clock_: you had that initial scaffolding part of the model in like .. what? two weeks?
21:31.50 bjorkBSD that was before implants, right ``Erik? ;)
21:32.05 brlcad of your spare time
21:32.07 clock_ brlcad: what is scaffolding?
21:32.18 brlcad everything but the shooter part
21:32.27 clock_ I don't know
21:32.37 clock_ the modeling was spread through longer time
21:32.37 ``Erik (so did a lot of male descriptors in english... "him" and "he" used to be fairly gender neutral)
21:32.58 bjorkBSD very cool.
21:33.37 clock_ brlcad: I did a lot of parts before that weren't part of the model
21:33.43 clock_ intermixed with parts of the model
21:34.56 clock_ Now I can test how many megaton TNT I need to bend that beam ;-)
21:35.33 clock_ ``Erik: you can play a DVD which is in the drive of a friend who lives in the neighbourhood
21:36.23 bjorkBSD clock_, have you been testing it?
21:36.23 clock_ As a hightech system it requires hightech components
21:36.41 ``Erik erm, at 10mbps? is that enough to push the mpeg4 data with enough left over for ccoping with drops ?
21:36.55 clock_ Smoke flues, magnifying glasses, cat litter substrate, bathroom caulking and an old toothbrush
21:36.57 bjorkBSD i watch videos online over less.
21:37.02 clock_ bjorkBSD: yes
21:37.17 clock_ ``Erik: there are no drops. This is not a WiFi
21:37.39 ``Erik it's optic, but if a bird flies through the path, or smoke particulates interfere, or ...
21:37.42 bjorkBSD a powerful remote control huh?
21:37.52 clock_ ``Erik: then the buffers catch it
21:38.08 bjorkBSD if a bird flies through it's path, it blinks and emits an ear piercing shriek only birds can here :)
21:38.11 clock_ ``Erik: smoke particulate don't interfere. the beam is 13cm thick
21:38.16 ``Erik it'd still need a resent, no?
21:38.21 ``Erik resend, even
21:38.31 clock_ it has a BER of 10^-9
21:38.34 ``Erik I mean, if a bird flies through, you lost bits...
21:38.40 clock_ so once 125 megabytes, you need one resend
21:38.52 clock_ but that is catched by TCP and the buffers
21:39.21 ``Erik right, and tcp hiccups over 10baseT are pretty nasty, I can't see optic being any better
21:39.51 ``Erik if you can outpush the stream, yeah, you can use big honkin' buffers (a second or two of display data might be enough), I spoze :)
21:39.57 clock_ ``Erik: I didn't notice any hiccups. is your 10baseT full duplex?
21:40.07 ``Erik when I had it, yes
21:40.23 ``Erik I'm all 100baseT and 802.11b at home
21:40.23 clock_ this is like 10BaseT-FD
21:40.39 bjorkBSD and is it tcp or something else clock_?
21:40.45 clock_ TCP
21:41.05 clock_ or whatever you put there - it behaves like a fibre optic segment of 10BaseT-FD
21:41.22 clock_ people use it always with TCP/IP
21:41.34 ``Erik tcp is a level 4, ronja is level 1...
21:41.45 ``Erik (and probably 2)
21:42.27 clock_ NE592 differential video amplifier
21:42.34 clock_ NE592 porn video amplifier
21:44.29 brlcad heh
21:45.37 clock_ god save us from some child looking into the beam when porn is being transmitted
21:45.56 clock_ it would see porn, though not in a format that's possible to perceive
21:46.09 clock_ I wonder whether this counts as an indecent display to minors too
21:47.54 clock_ Primary school math:
21:48.20 clock_ An epilepsy patient gets a fit of 5 jerks a second when he sees 100Hz stobing light
21:48.35 clock_ Calculate how many jerks a second he does when he sees a 10,000,000 Hz strobing light
21:55.46 bjorkBSD 10khz? that's a hip hop dance.
21:56.39 bjorkBSD 10Mhz. hmmm. cardiac arrest follows.
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22:03.02 clock_ http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/2005_Dime_Obv_Unc_P.png
22:03.02 clock_ Is it the face of god?
22:03.03 clock_ "In god we trust"
22:03.48 deltazap no that's an old man that was outside the building the other day
22:04.53 clock_ Looks almost like BRL-CAD logo: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3c/United_States_dollar_coin%2C_reverse.jpg
22:05.14 clock_ I guess "E PLURIBUS UNUM" must mean something like "one model consists of multiple subcomponents"
22:05.52 deltazap r dime.r u dime_body.c u face.c
22:06.41 clock_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:LineartPresRev.png
22:07.04 clock_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:19-08-06_0359.jpg
22:07.13 clock_ Now I know where the hairstyle on the coin is from :)
22:07.53 bjorkBSD the stone ages.
22:07.59 bjorkBSD when metal was currency.
22:08.10 bjorkBSD and stones were ... just that.
22:08.23 clock_ what is the currency now? eurodance?
22:08.51 bjorkBSD it's inflationary
22:08.59 bjorkBSD over time of course. hard to pin point.
22:09.23 bjorkBSD and the gov't ALWAYS gets first dibs.
22:10.40 clock_ now the currency are credit cards with negastive balance
22:12.25 bjorkBSD funny, i was just reading a blog on improving one's credit score.
22:12.28 bjorkBSD but you're right.
22:13.37 kwizart Hello! (some quick help needed for help packaging brlcad for Fedora...)
22:13.54 kwizart where can i have the sources code for jove ?
22:14.16 kwizart The compilation fails at jove contrib step...
22:14.42 kwizart make[4]: *** No rule to make target `jove-tutorial', needed by `all-am'. Stop.
22:15.03 bjorkBSD which version, kwizart?
22:15.11 kwizart last (of brlcad
22:15.13 kwizart )
22:15.17 bjorkBSD called what?
22:15.23 kwizart 7.10
22:15.24 kwizart :)
22:15.33 bjorkBSD just checking ;)
22:15.45 kwizart i was waiting it ! :)
22:15.58 deltazap brlcad just said to --disable-jove since it isn't required
22:16.45 kwizart well i can do that but packaging on official repository may need to get all option that can work buindin !
22:16.47 deltazap 15:27 <@brlcad> jove has been deprecated for a decade
22:17.14 kwizart well that may solve things...
22:17.48 kwizart The main problem i have is all tcl/tk iwigets from the system aren't found...
22:18.13 kwizart but i suppose theses packages to be malformed...
22:20.52 IriX64 define.... malformed
22:21.12 kwizart well packaging bugs !
22:22.03 IriX64 does it not detect itcl or what
22:22.58 kwizart http://pastebin.ca/433633
22:23.47 kwizart only tkImg libregex jove arent' avaible on the system...
22:24.17 kwizart others are present (with devel package) but not found
22:24.42 kwizart for itcl : itcl-3.3-0.7.RC1.fc6
22:25.16 IriX64 have you tried a compile, im not sure the summary screen prints out everything or not
22:26.30 kwizart yes i will give another try ( with --disable-jove-build \ ) and i will upload build.log if you want to see...
22:27.41 IriX64 ill look
22:30.57 kwizart IriX64, http://kwizart.free.fr/fedora/6/testing/brlcad/build.log
22:31.16 kwizart this is the build.log before --disable-jove-build ...
22:33.37 ``Erik "in god wet rust"?
22:43.59 brlcad kwizart: i'll help you in a sec if you need it :)
22:44.11 kwizart brlcad, thx
22:44.28 kwizart (currently rebuilding )
23:03.50 kwizart updating log it fail on ../../src/libdm/.libs/libdm.so: undefined reference to `XFreeDeviceList'
23:05.46 brlcad eep
23:06.35 brlcad that doesn't make sense
23:06.45 brlcad what is it trying to link?
23:06.53 brlcad and what's the link line look like?
23:07.54 kwizart you can see here: http://kwizart.free.fr/fedora/6/testing/brlcad/build.log (at the end of the log!)
23:08.22 ``Erik heh, I'd hope it's at the end, errors generally stop the build...
23:08.47 ``Erik hum, slow site
23:09.46 ``Erik hum, all the warning flags lit up
23:11.45 ``Erik hrm, it's not taking Xi for some reason
23:12.02 kwizart ``Erik, Xi ?
23:12.44 ``Erik um, libXi.so, X intrinsics
23:13.29 ``Erik theoretically, there should be a -lXi on the link line
23:13.35 deltazap woop woop
23:14.23 kwizart ``Erik, ok added to BuildRequires
23:15.35 deltazap wheee Trace/BPT trap
23:53.33 deltazap i hope i'm not the only one running in to the bpt trap

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