IRC log for #brlcad on 20070413

00:41.14 IriX64 checkit :)
00:47.56 IriX64 checkit again, that m35 is courtesy my weird little system .
00:58.27 IriX64 rtedge is on the blog, ill vanish for a while now :)
01:01.00 IriX64 don't get to excited though you still require an X-server
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02:07.42 IriX64 http://www.pastebin.ca/437495 <--- is that compilation number your doing? or do i have a mite here?
02:10.58 poolio IriX64: is it svn?
02:11.04 poolio or cvs or whatnot
02:11.14 IriX64 source tarball
02:11.34 poolio In that case it sounds like something on their end. if they're using some sort of revision system it should keep track of the compiling similar to the Linux kernel
02:11.58 IriX64 the rest make sens 4 compilations
02:12.04 IriX64 sense too
02:25.19 IriX64 poolio see -----> http://www.pastebin.ca/437519
02:28.36 poolio so the raytracer has had a lot of work ;)
02:29.08 IriX64 nothing that would affect you, i have strangebrew for a system ;)
02:30.20 IriX64 sigh im so dense poolio you're right of course :)
02:31.15 poolio I'm probably not right, and I've no clue as to your density... :P
02:31.26 IriX64 brick :)
02:31.35 IriX64 err maybe post :)
02:31.41 poolio that's not all that dense.
02:31.51 IriX64 :)
03:10.30 IriX64 not that dense eh? see what I did to myself here poolio ---> http://www.pastebin.ca/437587
03:16.53 poolio meh. windows makes everything look ugly. i'm off to sleep, gnite.
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15:21.52 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/ (NEWS README configure.ac include/config_win.h): bump to 7.10.1
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15:45.46 rafa_ i install brlcad in ubuntu
15:45.50 rafa_ and now?
15:45.55 rafa_ how start?
15:50.22 rafa_ please
15:51.38 clock_ rafa_: download http://ronja.twibright.com/3d/ronja.g
15:51.41 clock_ rafa_: run mged ronja.g
15:51.48 clock_ type B ronja
15:51.56 clock_ then go to File -> Raytrace and raytrace it
15:52.56 rafa_ ?
15:53.33 clock_ .
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15:53.34 rafa_ run in terminal
15:53.35 rafa_ $ meged?
15:54.22 sisplau hi
15:54.28 rafa_ hi
15:54.40 sisplau spanish?
15:54.48 rafa_ yes
15:54.51 sisplau hola
15:54.52 rafa_ como vaz
15:54.56 rafa_ hola
15:54.59 sisplau he instalado este programa
15:55.02 sisplau pero no se ejecutarlo
15:55.31 sisplau no crea icono
15:55.44 sisplau y no se que comando debo poner en la consola
15:56.00 rafa_ amigo joi tambem
15:56.02 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/tclscripts/mged/text.tcl:
15:56.02 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: Finally isolated the problem where certain operations in the mged command window
15:56.02 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: will result in the input prompt getting in front of 'mged>' prompt. the problem
15:56.02 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: turns out to be various default scrolling text widget bindings that modify the
15:56.02 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: cursor input position. there's a whole list of such bindings, but without
15:56.02 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: testing this update just lists them and overrides the two that were obvious
15:56.04 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: (page up/down).
15:56.41 rafa_ how start brlcad?
15:56.45 clock_ brlcad: the website is confusiong. According to "latest news", the latest version is 7.8.0 which is long time not true
15:56.49 clock_ rafa_: mged
15:56.54 rafa_ no
15:57.26 rafa_ terminal returns:
15:57.29 rafa_ comand not found
15:57.33 sisplau http://www.brlcad.org/overview.html <- overview
15:58.03 rafa_ in my sisten no mged
15:58.12 sisplau system
15:58.23 rafa_ i install package off SourceForge
15:58.37 clock_ sisters of mercy
15:58.41 rafa_ brlcad-7.8.4.deb
15:59.10 rafa_ sistem of mercy?
15:59.20 rafa_ sister
15:59.21 rafa_ ?
15:59.24 rafa_ watt
15:59.28 ``Erik you probably have to add a special path
15:59.41 ``Erik like, if you're using bash, export PATH=$PATH:/usr/brlcad/bin
16:00.00 sisplau how I can run the program?
16:00.05 ``Erik then you can do something like "mged /usr/brlcad/share/7.10.0/db/moss.g"
16:00.33 rafa_ brlcad as instaled in my sistem in :
16:00.42 rafa_ /usr/brlcad
16:01.03 ``Erik ok, then you'll have a /usr/brlcad/bin directory with something around 400ish programs... the one you probably want first is mged
16:01.29 rafa_ mged no in bin
16:01.37 rafa_ and no in my systen
16:01.47 ``Erik um, then ya don't have BRL-CAD installed? :)
16:02.04 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/ (NEWS BUGS):
16:02.04 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: Finally isolated the problem where certain operations in the mged command window
16:02.04 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: will result in the input prompt getting in front of 'mged>' prompt. the problem
16:02.04 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: turns out to be various default scrolling text widget bindings that modify the
16:02.04 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: cursor input position, including page up/down. fix is simple, just do the same
16:02.04 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: binding operation but don't move the cursor.
16:02.34 rafa_ i intaled package off sourceforge
16:02.34 rafa_ package.deb
16:02.34 rafa_ brlcad-7.8.4.deb
16:02.54 clock_ rafa_: then the .deb package is probably crap
16:02.54 sisplau $ /usr/brlcad/bin/mged works
16:03.10 clock_ rafa_: uninstall it and install the BRL-CAD from sources
16:03.10 sisplau rafa_ abres terminal y pones ~$ /usr/brlcad/bin/mged
16:03.17 clock_ rafa_: and complain to the Debian developers that they made crap
16:03.28 ``Erik you should have /usr/brlcad/bin in your path before running mged
16:03.30 rafa_ amigo sisplau:
16:03.38 rafa_ no has este diretorio
16:03.43 ``Erik mged will attempt to run binaries to do things, and those need to be in the path
16:03.50 sisplau rafa_ abres terminal y pones /usr/brlcad/bin/mged
16:04.03 clock_ ``Erik: Debian has to produce a .deb file that works after being installed
16:04.13 ``Erik no shit, clock? :D
16:04.44 clock_ A typical example when an unauthorized person between the user and the developer tries to tamper with a readily packaged technology
16:04.54 rafa_ please one moment
16:04.59 clock_ In this cause a Debian developer tampered
16:05.01 ``Erik of course, debian may have chosen another place to put it... /usr/brlcad is just the default... my fbsd packages put it in /usr/local/brlcad with an mged.sh in /usr/local/bin that pedro put together
16:07.33 clock_ ``Erik: then the package after installing has to change the system PATH and make sure it's in effect
16:07.33 clock_ ``Erik: just those Debian incompetents didn't do their homework properly
16:07.33 ``Erik heh, :) *pets fbsd*
16:07.33 rafa_ sorry meged found in my system
16:07.34 rafa_ :)
16:07.34 rafa_ but terminal returns it:
16:07.34 clock_ rafa_: but you don't want meged but mged
16:07.34 docelic debian developer "tampered" to make the package adhere to filesystem policy
16:07.34 rafa_ <PROTECTED>
16:07.34 clock_ but it stopped adhering to the functionality policy ;-)
16:07.34 clock_ rafa_: Debian has the libraries screwed up
16:07.34 sisplau rafa_ ubuntu?
16:07.34 clock_ rafa_: tell them they should fix it
16:07.34 rafa_ i use ubuntu
16:07.35 ``Erik compiling from source should "just work"
16:07.42 clock_ rafa_: ubuntu is a double layer of tampering
16:07.43 clock_ first the Debian incompetents tamper and then the Ubuntu ones
16:07.49 ``Erik just have to wait the 10 minutes for a compile and install :)
16:07.53 clock_ a resul - program which doesn't even link, let alone run
16:08.01 rafa_ ok
16:08.05 ``Erik use the source, luke!
16:08.05 ``Erik :D
16:08.18 rafa_ i download sourc
16:08.21 sisplau i use ubuntu and it works
16:08.27 clock_ rafa_: don't use unauthorized products of third parties and use the official product - BRL-CAD sources
16:08.37 rafa_ ok
16:08.44 rafa_ amigo sisplau
16:08.51 clock_ sisplau: looks like Ubuntu sometimes works and sometimes not
16:08.53 rafa_ qual é a versao que usas
16:09.07 ``Erik hm, the bsd, irix, osX and solaris binaries are pretty 'official', in that they're compiled and packaged by either brlcad or myself
16:09.11 sisplau i use ubuntu, debian, suse, fedora....
16:09.17 clock_ I came to a friend and he used "locate" on his Ubuntu and it persistently segfaulted :)
16:09.35 clock_ Ubuntu 1.2.3.4 Ultimately Unusable
16:09.39 sisplau apt-get is the best
16:09.45 ``Erik redhat enterprise workstation 4 or openbsd are also ones we can effectively help out on
16:09.57 ``Erik or the sgi altix suse
16:10.18 ``Erik which obsd are you using? I have a 3.8 and a 4.0
16:10.27 clock_ 4.0
16:10.41 clock_ Now I am gonna compile 7.10.0
16:10.43 ``Erik you should make a port :D
16:11.02 ``Erik I would, but theo's too much of a cockbite
16:11.17 sisplau clock_ what distribution you prefer?
16:11.18 clock_ For a port I need unstable system and that's impossible to switch back to stable
16:11.19 rafa_ how compile?
16:11.24 rafa_ ./configure
16:11.26 rafa_ make
16:11.27 rafa_ and
16:11.28 clock_ and I have only one machine so they have bad luck with this port
16:11.32 rafa_ make install?
16:11.35 clock_ rafa_: make install?
16:11.45 clock_ elapsed configuration blah blah
16:11.46 clock_ make
16:12.07 rafa_ and make install
16:12.14 rafa_ or no?
16:12.25 clock_ rafa_: yes make install
16:12.26 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/HACKING: clarify the distribution channels that need to be announced during release
16:12.34 clock_ ;-)
16:12.40 rafa_ ./configure prefix?
16:12.47 deltazap but, but, opennurbs....i know i make install'ed you!
16:12.51 clock_ I just type ./configure make make install
16:12.58 rafa_ ok
16:13.20 clock_ I want to see the button brl-cad added on my request
16:13.45 clock_ brl-cad, as opposed to unnamed projects like Linux or OpenBSD, reacts with improvement and bugfixes, instead of calling people idiots and trolls
16:13.47 rafa_ brlcad type solid works and inventor?
16:13.55 rafa_ is easy?
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16:14.58 *** topic/#brlcad is BRL-CAD Open Source Solid Modeling || http://brlcad.org || http://sf.net/projects/brlcad || http://fisheye1.cenqua.com/browse/brlcad/brlcad || 7.10 is now released! .. e-mail announcements will follow posting of binary distributions
16:15.15 rafa_ how find on manual?
16:15.19 rafa_ tutorial?
16:15.22 rafa_ etc...
16:15.31 ``Erik http://brlcad.og
16:15.31 ``Erik org
16:15.47 rafa_ amigo espanhol:
16:15.52 rafa_ etas ai?
16:15.59 rafa_ estas ai?
16:16.23 clock_ I am sure solid works have a special button to create thread
16:16.38 clock_ where you can select if you want withworth or Metric
16:17.24 ``Erik clock: write up a tcl function or a procdb and chuck it in the patches section and we'll have that, too :D
16:17.24 sisplau si
16:17.34 clock_ and if you want left or right
16:17.34 clock_ and which manufacturer manufactured the bolt
16:17.34 sisplau you brazilian?
16:17.35 clock_ in which year
16:17.36 clock_ and the circumference of the manufacturer's grandfather penis
16:17.40 clock_ and it stamps you nice 5.8 or 8.8 on the head
16:17.42 sisplau where do you come from?
16:17.46 rafa_ sim eu sou brasileiro
16:17.56 sisplau samba!
16:17.59 sisplau hahaha
16:18.00 clock_ Kaoma Lambada!
16:18.19 rafa_ no
16:18.19 clock_ macarena too?
16:18.19 rafa_ tche music!!!!
16:18.19 sisplau hahaha
16:18.20 deltazap clock_: girls aren't manufacturers silly!
16:18.22 rafa_ de ondes es
16:18.25 sisplau spain
16:18.29 sisplau barcelona
16:18.36 clock_ Los Lobotomos - Macabrena
16:18.37 deltazap wait, i read that wrong
16:18.40 ``Erik deltazap: they're factories? :D
16:18.47 rafa_ Porto Alegre
16:18.52 rafa_ Rio Grande do Sul
16:19.32 sisplau um prazer meu amigo
16:19.43 sisplau do you like futbol?
16:19.45 rafa_ ok
16:19.47 rafa_ yes
16:19.50 sisplau hahah
16:19.54 clock_ everyone lying in the sand or surfing?
16:19.57 sisplau ronaldinho the best
16:19.58 rafa_ GREMIO!!!!!!!
16:20.10 rafa_ sim ele era do GREMIO
16:20.18 sisplau ok i konw
16:20.25 sisplau *know
16:20.44 rafa_ friend sispalu do you use BrlCAD
16:20.52 rafa_ he is hard to know?
16:21.01 clock_ BRL-CAD doesn't it mean BRaziL-CAD?
16:21.07 sisplau rafa run in the terminal window: /usr/brlcad/bin/mged
16:21.16 rafa_ no ok
16:21.22 rafa_ i download the source
16:21.28 sisplau in my computer it works
16:21.40 rafa_ but my question is :
16:21.50 rafa_ BrlCAD is easy to use?
16:22.09 rafa_ is type off Inventor
16:22.16 rafa_ or SolidWorks?
16:22.20 rafa_ or Varicad?
16:22.25 sisplau i don't know
16:22.29 sisplau i'm novice
16:22.39 rafa_ is good software?
16:22.46 sisplau i only want run the benchmark option
16:23.16 sisplau is a good option for CAD in linux :/
16:23.19 sisplau i think
16:23.31 rafa_ please one moment please
16:23.36 rafa_ i go eat
16:23.38 sisplau rblender
16:23.41 sisplau blender
16:23.41 rafa_ ok? :)
16:23.53 sisplau eat? comer?
16:23.57 sisplau hahaha
16:23.58 rafa_ sim
16:24.02 ``Erik BRL stands for "Ballistics Research Laboratory"
16:24.17 ``Erik it's a US product dating back to '79...
16:24.47 sisplau I read it in wikipedia
16:25.56 clock_ It's US Army and M1A1 Abrams was made in it
16:26.05 ``Erik (I'd smack clock for misinformation, but I've done it myself, claiming mged was "Monstrosity of a Gui EDitor" O:-) )
16:26.29 clock_ ``Erik: I misasked, didn't misinform :)
16:26.34 deltazap so, when do i get a binary for osx? :-\
16:26.52 clock_ G. I. Joe U. S. Army Ballistic Research Laboratory
16:27.04 ``Erik no, the m1a1 was built on drafting paper with pencils, but in pieces... the first time someone saw the thing assembled was using the seed that became BRL-CAD
16:27.05 clock_ if it doesn't work, you do some pushups and it's fine :)
16:27.27 ``Erik deltazap: sf.net/projects/brlcad and click "download"... it's old, 7.6.6 ...
16:27.39 deltazap i know, i've been using that version
16:27.51 deltazap but i cannot for the life of me get 7.10 to compile
16:27.55 ``Erik maybe brlcad will make another pkg/dmg for 7.10
16:27.57 clock_ I guess people who are into army fetish must love brl-cad :)
16:28.00 ``Erik what's it do?
16:28.06 deltazap i'm wishing for that
16:29.14 deltazap it's still the same tcl error i've been getting
16:29.25 clock_ rafa_: brl-cad is quite easy to use, it's good for ordinary work like http://ronja.twibright.com/3d/
16:29.43 clock_ rafa_: I don't know how's solid works etc. maybe they can show you dimensions in the picture which brl-cad cannot
16:29.45 ``Erik I haven't gotten it to work with native tcl/tk, so my configure line is something like ./configure --enable-tcl-build --enable-tk-build
16:29.50 deltazap i'm trying --enable-only-benchmark so that i can compile and test things right now
16:29.51 clock_ and brl-cad also cannot make 2d blueprints from the 3d
16:31.31 deltazap ``Erik: i've tried that, but it's not doing anything. ./configure says that it's going to compile the version included
16:32.21 ``Erik deltazap: can you paste the errors to a pastebin (like paste.lisp.org or rafb.net/paste ?)
16:32.32 deltazap yeah, i will
16:39.15 deltazap of course you say that after i started another attempt ;)
16:41.54 ``Erik well, when ya get around to it *shrug*
16:42.17 ``Erik I'm building, too, so *shrug* these old g5's, while smoking, aren't quite the 8 core opterons I like working on
16:42.20 clock_ Should I remodel all the Ronja models with threaded fasteners?
16:42.38 deltazap clock_: there's really no reason to
16:42.50 sisplau ciao
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16:43.38 ``Erik you're not doing stress/strain/sheer analysis on 'em, right? is all that effort worth the visual effect?
16:45.25 deltazap http://rafb.net/p/d36N3F16.html -- my ./configure, so that you can see exactly what the system is going to try to build
16:47.01 clock_ ``Erik: only for visual effect
16:47.14 deltazap so, it is going to build tcl and tk
16:47.17 clock_ ``Erik: is stress strain shear analysis possible with brl-cad?
16:47.36 ``Erik not directly
16:47.37 clock_ ouch brl-cad didn't compile :)
16:47.41 clock_ do I need some nurbs-something?
16:48.14 ``Erik openNURBS is being worked on to support the brep primitive... at the moment, you should probably turn it off
16:50.47 deltazap i'm going to try that then
16:52.39 ``Erik yeah, the c/c++ issue just hit me on obsd, heh
16:53.43 ``Erik (one workaround is to "export CC=g++" before configure
16:53.43 ``Erik )
16:53.56 deltazap what's the ./configure flag for opennurbs?
16:54.38 ``Erik ./configure --help | grep -i nurb
17:03.39 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/include/bu.h: beginnings of image mgmt
17:05.17 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/src/libbu/image.c: beginnings of a crude image handling function set. Will be able to save png and others some day...
17:05.51 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/src/libbu/Makefile.am: add image.c to the library
17:08.15 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/src/rt/viewedge.c: First victim of the libu image stuff.
17:15.57 clock_ <PROTECTED>
17:15.57 clock_ <PROTECTED>
17:16.08 clock_ 1) How do I disable it when only enable flag is supplied?
17:16.17 clock_ 2) Why was it autodetected as on, when not present?
17:17.06 ``Erik --disable-opennurbs-build (anything that says --enable- has a free --disable, and anything with a --with- has a --without-), and that's how it was set up *shrgu*
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17:21.38 rafa_ please
17:21.59 rafa_ where i find files for brlcad
17:22.01 rafa_ ?
17:22.15 rafa_ i want open some for i see
17:22.28 clock_ rafa_: http://ronja.twibright.com/3d/ronja.g
17:22.39 rafa_ ok
17:22.55 rafa_ site ronja for brlcad?
17:23.19 ``Erik also; if you installed it in /usr/brlcad/, go into /usr/brlcad/share/brlcad/<version>/db and there'll be a bunch of .g files
17:27.20 rafa_ CloCk: No open
17:27.25 rafa_ i dont see
17:30.20 rafa_ Open file but no show in window
17:30.34 rafa_ how open file?
17:30.43 rafa_ File-open?
17:30.56 ``Erik yeah, once you open it, run "tops" in the command window
17:31.06 ``Erik to see what top level objects are in the file
17:31.13 ``Erik pick one, and do "e object"
17:31.30 ``Erik so if you opened m35.g, you'll see all.g in the "tops" command, and then you can do "e all.g" to see the scene
17:31.53 rafa_ please
17:32.00 rafa_ i open mged
17:32.03 rafa_ ok?
17:32.07 rafa_ and now?
17:32.22 rafa_ press File
17:32.28 rafa_ i press Open
17:32.30 rafa_ Ok?
17:32.34 ``Erik this'd be a good time for you to head to http://brlcad.org/ and get 'principles of effective modeling (#3 in the documentation list). it has step by step instructions with screenshots
17:32.49 rafa_ friend
17:33.09 rafa_ i only know see one file open in cad
17:35.37 ``Erik actually, intro to mged would be better
17:35.43 ``Erik http://ftp.brlcad.org/VolumeII-Introduction_to_MGED.pdf
17:45.55 brlcad rafa_: what version are you using?
17:46.04 rafa_ 7.8.0
17:46.29 ``Erik moin, brlcad
17:47.45 brlcad howdy
17:48.15 deltazap hmm, that build actually didn't throw any errors during the compile, but make benchmark fails
17:48.31 brlcad rafa_: on the "mged>" promt, you should be able to type: opendb /usr/brlcad/share/brlcad/7.8.0/db/havoc.g
17:48.40 brlcad then "e havoc"
17:49.07 brlcad that's just a quick example.. there are many other .g files in share/brlcad/7.8.0/db
17:50.02 rafa_ ok
17:50.11 rafa_ but i dont see in windos
17:50.19 rafa_ no see the draw load
17:50.42 deltazap http://rafb.net/p/5X9LMG18.html -- any idea what could be causing the no file error?
17:50.53 rafa_ mged prompt returns it:
17:50.53 brlcad rafa_: you're using Windows?
17:51.01 rafa_ /usr/brlcad/share/brlcad/7.8.0/db/havoc.g: READ ONLY
17:51.01 rafa_ BRL-GSI Paris Air Show Soviet HAVOC Helicopter (units=cm)
17:51.07 brlcad ahh, that's good
17:51.09 rafa_ no i am in ubuntu
17:51.11 brlcad then "e havoc"
17:51.15 rafa_ ?
17:51.20 brlcad type: e havoc
17:51.20 ``Erik deltazap: sure, it can't find the pix files? :D
17:51.44 brlcad deltazap: rt is crashing/failing
17:51.45 rafa_ write in prompt e havoc?
17:51.46 deltazap but it should, they're all there?
17:51.54 brlcad deltazap: run src/rt/rt
17:52.02 brlcad does it display usage or a failure
17:52.08 brlcad rafa_: si
17:52.39 deltazap displays usage
17:52.48 rafa_ no see
17:52.49 ``Erik deltazap: you might have to set PIXDIR or something
17:52.50 deltazap but i bet i'll fail when i run it
17:53.08 rafa_ window is black
17:53.17 brlcad rafa_: type "who"
17:53.20 brlcad what does it say?
17:53.27 brlcad havoc?
17:53.54 rafa_ yes
17:54.10 brlcad hmm
17:54.17 brlcad type: rt -F/dev/Xl
17:54.34 brlcad should pop open a window and show a helicopter
17:55.01 rafa_ small
17:55.05 rafa_ but yes
17:55.05 deltazap i'm not actually in front of the machine i just compiled it on :X
17:55.37 rafa_ go a compiled the source?
17:56.16 deltazap http://rafb.net/p/y3JgjP62.html
17:57.14 rafa_ ?
17:58.27 deltazap paste of rt failing
18:06.11 ``Erik otool -L /Users/zap/Desktop/brlcad/src/rt/.libs/lt-rt
18:06.22 ``Erik ?
18:07.08 ``Erik (it's telling you it can't find library symbols from tcl)
18:07.13 rafa_ please one moment
18:07.23 rafa_ i download the source
18:07.43 rafa_ and i go to compile it
18:08.00 rafa_ brlcad need Nvdia or Ati
18:08.02 rafa_ ?
18:09.47 rafa_ my video adpter is intel and sis
18:09.52 rafa_ (onboard)
18:10.05 rafa_ Run BrlCad with it?
18:10.29 joevalle1field sure
18:10.38 ``Erik intel and sis make very different video chipsets, but BRL-CAD should run with either provided your GL stuff set up right or you use the straight X driver
18:13.08 rafa_ run?
18:13.16 rafa_ with sis?
18:16.03 joevalle1field yes
18:16.30 joevalle1field onboard video should work fine
18:18.36 rafa_ i am compiled BrlCad
18:18.41 rafa_ please more one time
18:20.53 joevalle1field rafa_: it's compiled?
18:21.01 rafa_ no
18:21.08 rafa_ more one time
18:21.37 joevalle1field s/more one time/one moment please/
18:22.33 ``Erik ah, from pennsylvania, no wonder it's in the same healthiness pantheon as 'scrapple'
18:22.58 joevalle1field mmmm, bacon dressing
18:24.50 ``Erik <-- watching his intake, trying to keep his girlish figure O.o
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18:55.31 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/src/rt/viewedge.c: move the bif close from view_clewnup to view_end (so it actually gets called *cough*)
18:56.00 IriX64 clewnup :)
18:58.38 ``Erik yes. clewnup.
18:58.57 IriX64 your pardon thought it was cleanup
18:59.24 ``Erik it's like cleanup, but when the fingers and brain are getting tired
18:59.30 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/src/libbu/image.c:
18:59.30 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: use the data element of the bif to buffer up instead of assuming a streamed
18:59.30 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: write (makes write-line void of side effects, thus re-entrant, removes the
18:59.30 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: seek, and will allow non-streaming formats like png (at the cost of memory))
19:49.34 deltazap ``Erik: i understand that it can't find the tcl library symbols, but i don't know how to resolve this issue
19:50.26 ``Erik otool -L <binary> is the mac equivelant of ldd
19:50.39 ``Erik it'll say what libs are being linked in, if there's no tcl, or the wrong tcl, it'll show t hat
19:51.56 IriX64 http://irix64.spaces.lice.com/photos/brl-cad <------ i want mine to do this ;)
19:54.48 IriX64 s/live/lice
19:54.53 IriX64 :)
19:55.58 ``Erik you want BRL-CAD to remove lice? uh, we're good, but not THAT good, yo
19:56.13 IriX64 heh apply liberally...
19:58.11 IriX64 ``Erik that was booted from the winderez environment.
19:58.43 IriX64 gotta find a decent windows xserver tho
20:02.53 ``Erik um, cygwin comes with one
20:03.01 ``Erik or you can drop some $'s and get something like hummingbird
20:03.11 ``Erik though the wgl stuff SHOULD work
20:03.45 IriX64 cygwin works, but id like to test compatibility
20:03.58 IriX64 downloading xming from sourceforge
20:06.39 ``Erik dangit
20:06.41 ``Erik libpng error: Call to NULL write function
20:06.41 ``Erik Ohs Noes!
20:08.20 ``Erik what, xming? *shrug*
20:08.28 IriX64 brlcad on xming
20:09.09 IriX64 dont like the font but...
20:12.44 IriX64 try the blog now
20:23.56 deltazap ``Erik: it doesn't look like any .o's have anything linked
20:27.52 ``Erik .o's never do, it's the binary itself and teh .dylib files
20:28.12 deltazap oh d'oh
20:28.28 ``Erik (a .o is just like a .a without the indexed mapping)
20:29.17 ``Erik (the process of taking a collection of .o, .a, and references to .dylib (or .la) files is called "linking"... otool -L shows the runtime link table)
20:30.58 ``Erik argh, I have one of the rt's saving 'intelligently' either pix or bw, but png is being a little bitch :(
20:32.25 IriX64 confirmed i can package this thing for windows systems now ``Erik
20:32.57 IriX64 will you guys support the brl-cad end of it :)
20:34.50 IriX64 raytrace complete gorgeous
20:35.42 ``Erik if it's a BRL-CAD issue, sure, if it's a distro/build issue, that'd be your job o.O
20:35.56 IriX64 heh i can live with that
20:36.16 ``Erik <-- notes that almost all the dev's don't touch windows
20:36.31 IriX64 all your stuff is here i built with --enable-everything, even jove built
20:37.30 deltazap ``Erik: otool only works on object files, not binaries
20:40.27 ``Erik hum, I've used it on binaries...
20:41.45 ``Erik http://paste.lisp.org/display/39698
20:42.49 ``Erik use 'file' to make sure it's a binary and not a shell script (libtool likes putting bash scripts where you expect binaries, for link hackery)
20:43.15 deltazap k
20:43.50 IriX64 http://irix64.spaces.live.com/photos/brl-cad < --- ill shut up now :)
20:44.33 ``Erik why's the rtedge image truncated? did you take the screenshot while it was still rendering?
20:44.39 IriX64 yes
20:45.09 IriX64 told you i'm an impatient little sot ;)
20:49.00 IriX64 how do i chanfe the darn font, reading time...
20:49.06 IriX64 change too
20:49.12 deltazap ``Erik: ah, i see, didn't know that it would be in .lib
20:49.18 deltazap .libs
20:49.33 brlcad it's only in libs when you build shared, static are not wrapped
20:50.17 brlcad deltazap: is libtcl installed in /usr/brlcad/lib?
20:50.59 ``Erik ah, I'm building shared
20:51.12 deltazap i've been running things from the directory of the source
20:51.35 brlcad yes, I recall from your earlier pasting
20:51.54 brlcad the "quick fix" is/was to install the libs before running the binaries
20:52.14 brlcad hm, that's make a useful make target
20:52.34 brlcad make install-libs or something
20:53.42 deltazap yeah, libtcl8.5, libtclstub8.5, tcl8, tcl8.5, tclConfig are in /usr/brlcad/lib
20:54.09 ``Erik kinda like "make install-depends"? O.o
20:54.50 brlcad ``Erik: yeah, mebbie/sorta
20:55.20 brlcad something like that on just src/mged would get "everything" except mged hopefully
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20:55.44 brlcad hola louipc
20:55.52 louipc hey hey
20:55.57 ``Erik um, cd src/mged && make install-depends will recurse down the defined DEPS and, um, install 'em... :D
20:56.17 ``Erik (it'll take headers and docs for shtuff like png and tcl, too, but *shrug* what can ya do?)
20:57.11 ``Erik hell, I wrote depends and install-depends so'z I could get the binary I want installed and ready as quickly as possible without all the other stuff I wasn't interested in :)
20:57.20 brlcad that's what I just said
21:00.01 brlcad i was more thinking if there was some set of binaries, like in his case where it can't run rt and btclsh whether you could just do that on mged to get all the lib debs
21:00.24 brlcad instead of having to do it for rt and btclsh and whatever other binaries it tries to run without them being installed
21:01.01 brlcad so you could do a two-pass and sort of be guaranteed it'd build, mac os x seems to be the only bitch right now (though I suspect aix has the same problem)
21:02.16 brlcad nitfy image routine, btw
21:02.35 ``Erik it's gotten much bigger and uglier, it does pix and bw, and I'm CLOSE on png...
21:03.08 ``Erik hopefully it'll be able to do both block and streamed saves, so all our output stuff can just use it
21:03.20 ``Erik but png is making my head hurt right now :)
21:09.34 brlcad that probably could/should be a libfb routine as that's the layer that begins understanding pixels and images
21:16.05 ``Erik yeah, I suggested that to lee, he disagreed *shrug*
21:16.06 ``Erik he also asserted several times that rt can output streaming, even though it fseek()s, heh
21:16.06 brlcad what was the basis for his disagreement
21:16.06 brlcad suggested or asked? :P
21:16.25 ``Erik heh, something like "I think it should go in libfb, is there a better place?"
21:16.35 brlcad if you asked if it should be [whatever], his natural response is usually "no, you want to use [something not whatever] instead" :)
21:16.46 ``Erik yeah, yeah, dumb move on my side, heh
21:16.46 brlcad regardless of the whatever
21:17.41 ``Erik I wasn't sure if things like pix-png should link libfb... *shrug*
21:17.59 brlcad bu's not bad, probably would be my second choice unless someone wanted to migrate the basic pixel constructs from libfb to libbu too
21:18.43 ``Erik he went into lala land trying to figure out the most assinine place, he hesitated when I said I'd put it in bu
21:19.00 brlcad more a question of whether you want to consider image management basic .. right now that's *only* in libfb
21:19.26 ``Erik (mebbe I shoulda just used SDL_Surface O:-) )
21:19.37 brlcad yuck
21:20.00 brlcad bu's fine, so it can do images now too
21:21.09 brlcad the image autosizing code that was replicated across libbu, libbn, and libfb could probably be moved back down into libbu then
21:21.24 ``Erik though if things get simplified enough, most of util/ is going to be a second rate clone of ImageMagick's "convert" :/
21:22.02 brlcad yep
21:22.10 brlcad though we do a few formats that they don't
21:22.58 brlcad obscure unimportant ones of course
21:23.00 ``Erik could probably make a case that those formats haven't mattered in the last decade or two :)
21:24.29 brlcad they're actually a project we should merge/utilize with the new modeler for behind the scenes data management/conversion
21:24.42 brlcad at least convert and/or libconvert
21:28.35 ``Erik bastage, I ate one of those nasty celeste grease-disks :/
21:28.49 brlcad those are yummy
21:29.47 IriX64 thats a better font :)
21:30.08 ``Erik heh, I'm not so keen on 'em, and the nutritional facts are kinda skeery on 'em :)
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21:33.39 yky hi
21:36.09 yky are there any german brlcad users or brlcad workshops in germany?
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21:37.17 brlcad yky: yes, there are
21:37.32 brlcad at least one of the devs is in germany too
21:37.56 yky do you know, who it is?
21:38.10 brlcad there is a tentative workshop being planned for later this summer (not finalized for sure yet)
21:38.29 brlcad daniel rossberg
21:38.38 brlcad yky: did you need something in particular?
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21:39.01 yky no, not really.
21:39.10 brlcad :)
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21:39.49 brlcad ``Erik: so is there any end-user impact to that image hook yet?
21:39.53 yky I hope to learn brlcad on a workshop more easy
21:40.02 brlcad (i.e. NEWS worthy item)
21:40.29 brlcad yky: it does help, though the tutorial series is pretty extensive too for some of the basics
21:40.34 ``Erik ummmm, if not quite yet
21:40.53 brlcad i'd not tested it myself yet
21:40.55 ``Erik I mean, you can do rtedge -o PIX:blah.poo blah.g something
21:41.01 ``Erik and get a PIX file
21:41.10 ``Erik or -o BW:blahh.something and get a bw file
21:41.45 ``Erik or blah.bw and get a bw file, or blah.pix and get a pix file... or blah.png and get an error on png_write_info() and an "Ohs Noes" message
21:41.51 ``Erik oh, wait, thats not committed yet
21:41.53 brlcad now that could be interesting on windows, hopefully doesn't key/abort on unknowns
21:42.14 ``Erik if you give it COW:something or moo.cow, it'll assume pix
21:42.21 brlcad e.g. -o "C:myfile" :)
21:42.22 ``Erik but that's not committed yet I don't think
21:42.56 brlcad what if you wanted a name like 'PIX:foo', is there a way to specify it?
21:43.09 brlcad \: or somesuch?
21:43.10 ``Erik now if you give it BW:C:\path\to\lame.img, it's smart enough to say it's a BW image at C:\path\to...
21:43.19 ``Erik PIX:PIX:foo ?
21:43.28 brlcad good enough
21:43.42 ``Erik it's a q&d hack with "oh the horrors, I'll fix it, I promise" comments
21:43.43 ``Erik :)
21:43.51 brlcad riight
21:44.33 ``Erik http://paste.lisp.org/display/39702
21:45.34 ``Erik the phrasing of the image name was inspired by... oh my, ImageMagick's convert...
21:46.42 ``Erik now if you give it -o PIX: blah.g, open() fails, ... :)
21:47.21 ``Erik or if the file name is bigger than BUFSIZ
21:48.54 IriX64 looked at it the ext part i understand the first part i don't
21:49.42 IriX64 why string+5 its the first part you want no?
21:50.24 IriX64 err filename +5
21:50.34 ``Erik that's after I know what it is, the +5 says "skip past the format describer"
21:50.50 ``Erik I was gonna hit it with strtok
21:50.56 IriX64 parts not shown ?
21:51.00 ``Erik yes, it's supposed to be static (all the other 'internal' ones are static)
21:51.13 brlcad ah
21:52.04 brlcad kinda useful generic routine too
21:52.06 ``Erik exposed functions are all bu_image_
21:52.22 brlcad should check for nullity
21:52.28 ``Erik and public defines are all BU_IMAGE_
21:52.49 ``Erik that's done down in the public function
21:52.51 poolio ``Erik: Just a note...you're using an incosistent coding style. you use braces for the if's in the FMT: searching section but not for the filename extensions
21:53.19 ``Erik poolio: it's consistantly minimal. in the first block, each if ties to two statements. in the latter, just one.
21:53.37 poolio Oh wow. Miss the semicolon. hah
21:53.55 yky thx for input, I will contact daniel directly.
21:53.58 poolio Also, is it neccesary to check for punctuation?
21:54.25 yky bye
21:54.32 IriX64 case png case pix case bmp :)
21:55.17 poolio IriX64: case only works with ints
21:56.01 IriX64 ah ok
21:56.32 kwizart hi! is it possible to override --with-tcl=%{_includedir}/tcl-private \ ? so it can uses the system tcl ?
21:57.28 kwizart i may need also system CFLAGS or LDFLAGS about finding libs ...
21:57.54 ``Erik poolio: the punctuation is part of the syntax...
21:58.13 ``Erik so I can do -o PIXELS.png
21:58.52 ``Erik or my.pixbw
22:00.13 poolio ``Erik: Well, it seems kind of like a waste. How often do you have filenames that end with png, bw, bmp, or pix
22:02.32 ``Erik damnit, now ya went and made me ugly it up even more by annoying me
22:02.40 IriX64 man define pix as 1 png as 2 etc and use that case thingy
22:03.20 ``Erik http://paste.lisp.org/display/39702#1
22:03.22 IriX64 err
22:03.50 ``Erik need a string comparison somewhere, irix, and I don't trust a hash :)
22:04.49 IriX64 nice
22:05.01 poolio Ok, that's just pointless.
22:05.02 IriX64 what you posted is good
22:05.05 poolio Why would you do that ``Erik ?
22:05.14 ``Erik makes it trivial to add new names to the space :)
22:05.21 IriX64 made his own case poolio
22:05.42 IriX64 parole him :)
22:05.45 poolio hah
22:06.23 ``Erik ('cept I changed the semantic, damnit)
22:06.49 IriX64 immaculate conception of code... interesting :)
22:07.21 IriX64 eyes are watering, break time
22:11.08 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/src/libbu/image.c: blocking output. working file guesser, pix-writer, and bw-write. beginnings of png writer.
22:12.40 ``Erik heads
22:12.42 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/src/libbu/image.c: fixed minor logic bug, heh
22:13.33 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/src/libbu/Makefile.am: link libpng in for image writing
22:16.29 brlcad kwizart: it is possible, but still requires 8.5+ using the latest sources
22:17.08 brlcad easiest is to force tcl building off, then append to flags as needed
22:17.25 kwizart ok i have 8.5 on fc7 but maybe not the lastest sources !? which date are the lastest ?
22:17.43 kwizart ok i have forced tcl not to build...
22:17.45 brlcad 7.10.0 is the latest
22:17.54 kwizart yes for brlcad
22:17.55 brlcad via --disable-tcl ?
22:18.05 brlcad or disable-tcl-build
22:18.09 brlcad (same thing)
22:18.15 kwizart <PROTECTED>
22:18.17 kwizart yes ok
22:18.20 brlcad and that, yes
22:18.43 brlcad then just need to add --with-cflags="..." --with-ldflags="..." etc
22:18.55 brlcad or CFLAGS=.. way
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22:19.14 kwizart but now i need to a little "rape" the configure.ac script to make it detect it (pastebin)
22:19.32 brlcad shouldn't need to modify configure.ac
22:20.00 brlcad if you turn it off and provide the right cflags/cppflags/ldflags, it should detect
22:20.01 kwizart http://www.pastebin.ca/438882
22:20.35 kwizart ok i will try to paste everything to the Cflags and ldflags...
22:20.58 kwizart but the same issue append with tk iwiget itcl and regex
22:21.06 brlcad heh, well you pretty much turned the validty checks off
22:21.29 brlcad note that you could have also just overrode during make as well
22:22.22 kwizart one thought! is it supposed to work with gcc 4.1.1 ?
22:22.30 brlcad TCL="-L/usr/lib64 -ltcl8.5" TK="-L/usr/lib64 -ltk8.5" make after a disabled build, and maybe with some CPPFLAGS defined
22:22.41 brlcad sure, that should be fine
22:23.03 brlcad should work with any gcc 2.95+ (though the 2's haven't been tested in a long while)
22:23.06 kwizart because when i tryed to build openNURBS 4 (as system libs) it fails
22:23.30 brlcad you don't need openNURBS, i'd just disable it
22:23.58 brlcad we include openNURBS in our dist too
22:24.10 kwizart but apparently not the version bundled inside brlcad fails
22:24.15 brlcad I had to make several mods to it for gcc 4 to work
22:24.35 brlcad yeah, they had a few minor issues
22:25.05 brlcad feel free to pull a patchset and make it part of the fedora dist :)
22:25.06 kwizart ok i will check your diff for it because i may need to use it as system libs...
22:25.14 kwizart :)
22:25.29 brlcad hopefully I didn't patch pre import
22:25.56 kwizart well i will try that for now! thx for your tips...
22:25.57 brlcad we also replace their build system, integrating it into ours so it builds cleanly
22:26.17 brlcad theirs was a little flakey
22:26.35 kwizart yes i saw! ...
22:29.22 kwizart ITCL="-L/usr/lib64/itcl3.3 -litcl" ITK="-L/usr/lib64/itk3.3 -litk \ does this seems right also ?
22:29.46 brlcad ``Erik: those negatives can crash if filename is short
22:29.57 brlcad segfault
22:35.28 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/ (configure.ac src/libbu/Makefile.am): libraries are no longer LIBADD'd, they're defined in configure.ac in a _LIBS dependency variable, added PNG to BU_LIBS
22:36.28 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/libbu/Makefile.am: oop, htester gets PNG from BU_LIBS now
22:50.53 kwizart what i cannot understand is that i have :
22:51.07 kwizart checking for Tcl_Main in -ltcl... yes (like before..)
22:51.18 kwizart but no system tcl is found also!
22:53.49 joevalle1field it tries to build and run another test program further down
22:54.11 joevalle1field is the error in your config.log?
22:54.53 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/NEWS: netbsd's library was ultimately reverted due to dependency complications, existing was fixed instead
22:55.32 brlcad kwizart: it performs the library checks regardless of the setting just so there's a report of what is available/detected when people provide their build log
22:56.01 kwizart i can provide it (uploading!)
22:56.04 brlcad then, as joevalle1field mentioned.. it follows up with a more comprehensive functionality test
22:59.39 kwizart http://kwizart.free.fr/fedora/7/testing/brlcad/build.log
23:01.50 joevalleyfield looks to me like the retry blasted the real failure
23:02.27 kwizart This is the real failure : configure: libtcl was disabled, but no system Tcl library was found
23:02.41 joevalleyfield :)
23:03.01 joevalleyfield i'm only so interested because i was playing the same game earlier today
23:03.27 joevalleyfield i want to see the test program fail-- config.log would be about 20 times longer than it is
23:04.32 kwizart I suppose config.log may be deleted by the retry !?
23:05.21 joevalleyfield are you setup to modify configure.ac?
23:05.36 joevalleyfield i mean, you have all the autotools at hand?
23:06.06 kwizart yes
23:08.35 joevalleyfield how do i work a pastebin?
23:09.19 IriX64 why does that log download instead of just opening up in a browser window
23:09.29 IriX64 ?
23:11.44 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03joevalleyfield * 10brlcad/ (configure.ac m4/retry.m4): add option to disable the retry behavior of configure
23:13.01 joevalleyfield i think cvs has a lag
23:13.39 joevalleyfield if you change the 'if' on line 110 of retry.m4 to always evaluate false, it will nullify the retry
23:14.08 kwizart ok
23:16.49 kwizart if test "x$BC_RETRY" = "x" ; then
23:17.29 joevalleyfield i'd make it 'if test "xy" = "x" ; then'
23:19.03 kwizart ok building...
23:19.52 brlcad yeah, good mod
23:20.14 brlcad have to rerun autogen.sh after you edit the .m4
23:20.28 kwizart yes i do it by default ...
23:23.03 kwizart ok no retry has been done...
23:24.49 kwizart http://pastebin.ca/438960
23:25.48 brlcad that's one helluva configure line
23:25.49 brlcad damn
23:26.38 joevalleyfield line 13012
23:27.20 joevalleyfield the failure should always appear right above the cache dump
23:28.05 kwizart i have tcl 8.5 on fedora 7 ...
23:28.12 brlcad minor version < 5
23:29.08 kwizart but if i do return 0 in the program check it go fine...
23:29.20 brlcad kwizart: for whatever reason, it's finding a different tcl header
23:29.23 kwizart and fails with itcl
23:29.24 brlcad 8.4 presumably
23:29.34 kwizart but not tcl...
23:29.54 brlcad so even if you set it to zero, something else will fail down the line
23:29.56 joevalleyfield just type locate libtcl and see if you have multiple versions installed
23:29.59 kwizart i'm using mock to build on a chrooter env...
23:30.08 brlcad locate tcl.h for that matter
23:30.34 joevalleyfield find /usr/lib -name "libtcl*"
23:30.47 brlcad it's erroring on the header, not the lib itself
23:30.56 joevalleyfield oh
23:31.13 joevalleyfield my bad
23:31.15 brlcad it's a #define sanity check in the test: #elif TCL_MAJOR_VERSION == 8 && TCL_MINOR_VERSION < 5
23:31.34 brlcad fprintf(stderr, "minor version < 5\n");
23:31.53 brlcad should probably have it print what it found
23:32.12 kwizart do you mind the same issue appear for tk tlstub itcl itk and iwiget ?
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23:33.40 brlcad hm?
23:33.48 brlcad depends really where the 8.4 is coming from
23:34.58 joevalleyfield how does your chroot thing work?
23:35.02 joevalleyfield are you in the chroot?
23:35.20 kwizart no
23:35.39 kwizart i'm running fedora core 6 on x86_64!
23:36.14 kwizart i have a separate account that used to build things in a chroot env
23:36.30 brlcad kwizart: what version is listed in your tcl.h header?
23:36.47 kwizart packages are installed via yum rpm...
23:36.50 brlcad presumably /usr/include/tcl.h or something you're providing
23:36.59 kwizart on the chroot ... searching ...
23:37.22 brlcad on whatever you specify, the chroot only matters if you're providing that path as a forced CPPFLAG
23:37.39 brlcad unless you're building in the chroot, which you said you're not :)
23:38.43 kwizart i have shame...
23:38.47 kwizart #define TCL_VERSION "8.4"!
23:43.55 joevalleyfield but i can turn off retry with a configure script now :)
23:46.53 IriX64 you two... sorry to have intruded
23:49.07 kwizart i was supposed to have tcl 8.5 ! Sorry to miss that ! I've ever fill a bug about tcl some time ago on redhat ... I will have to update tcl tk myself...
23:49.21 kwizart is it supposed to work with pkg-config ?
23:49.56 joevalleyfield no
23:50.33 brlcad kwizart: you could just let it build the provided tcl :)
23:51.18 brlcad it'll build and link it static
23:51.34 kwizart yes i'm asking him the current state of art about this package... !
23:52.23 joevalleyfield if there's a yada.pc.in file in a source distribution it supports pkg-config
23:52.47 kwizart i mean the redhat packager... hum i can also but it was supposed to fails about tcl/tk... i will try for now...
23:53.24 kwizart joevalleyfield, i can also create it by hand !?
23:53.39 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/NEWS: bob added addr and make_name commands to archer
23:54.40 joevalleyfield kwizart, you've exceeded my expertise
23:55.28 brlcad you could create them.. but what for?
23:55.30 joevalleyfield you can of course stick a tcl.pc file in the pkg-config dir, but nobody that depends on it would look there
23:56.03 joevalleyfield because tcl still uses tclConfig.sh in /usr/lib
23:57.23 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/TODO: add pkg-config scripts
23:58.00 kwizart how this work ? is this sh script is called at configure step ?
23:58.47 joevalleyfield i'm really afraid i'm talking about a different thing than you are thinking of
23:59.41 joevalleyfield tclConfig.sh is located and sourced by the configure script to setup TCL_LIB_SPEC and TCL_INCLUDE_SPEC

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