| 00:00.58 | joevalleyfield | that is exactly parallel to but less elegant than pkg-config somepackage --cflags and ... --libs |
| 00:01.28 | joevalleyfield | there is a pkg-config macro that makes using them from configure.ac really convenient |
| 00:04.08 | kwizart | some fedora packaging guidelines say about creating it of at least fix errors, but i understand that if upstream do not uses them they won't be used by software linking to it... |
| 00:06.57 | louipc | yeah I'm trying to make pkgs for all that tcl stuff for my distro it's odd |
| 00:08.01 | kwizart | :) |
| 00:08.05 | louipc | I think I'm going to put the needed files into /usr/include and make the scripts point there rather than my build directory |
| 00:09.11 | joevalleyfield | you're talking about dependency on internal headers? |
| 00:09.13 | kwizart | i've asked the redhat packager about current status of tcl/tk 8.5 |
| 00:09.17 | louipc | because obviously if someone installs it they won't have a /home/louipc/build/itcl3.3 or whatever hehe |
| 00:10.11 | louipc | yeah tcl/tk isn't properly put together on my distro too. tclConfig.sh points to the packager's /home/whatever hah |
| 00:10.21 | kwizart | on fedora redhat package there is a /usr/include/tcl-private dir so i supposes those are internals headers ... |
| 00:10.38 | louipc | ah ok |
| 00:10.53 | joevalleyfield | that sounds like a reasonable way to do it |
| 00:14.31 | IriX64 | http://www.pastebin.ca/439021 will this help any? |
| 00:15.24 | kwizart | [--redhatprovides] i didn't know what was the purpose of that! |
| 00:15.58 | IriX64 | redhat provided rpm? i rarely use it |
| 00:25.45 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/libbu/Makefile.am: unbreak it for no sys png.h-ers, now need png cppflags |
| 00:32.25 | IriX64 | http://irix64.spaces.live.com/photos/brl-cad <----- windows environment tutorial xwindows courtesy xming :) |
| 00:33.09 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/libbu/image.c: png_destroy_read_struct() takes pointers to pointers |
| 00:48.22 | kwizart | ok compilation with internal tcl/tk wend fine until : |
| 00:48.26 | kwizart | make[2]: *** No rule to make target `brep_stub.c', needed by `vers.c'. Stop.! |
| 00:48.42 | kwizart | make[2]: Leaving directory `/builddir/build/BUILD/brlcad-7.10.0/src/libwdb' |
| 00:54.02 | brlcad | ahh, bad ju ju |
| 00:54.15 | brlcad | wrong logic in Makefile.am |
| 00:57.50 | kwizart | related to openNurbs been activated or not ? (i will try with it ...) |
| 00:58.03 | brlcad | yeah, sorta |
| 00:58.12 | brlcad | there's a file missing from the source tarball |
| 00:58.31 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/libwdb/Makefile.am: bad dist logic, causes either brep_stub.c or brep.cpp to be left out of the dist. include the missing file |
| 01:00.16 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/TODO: we really really need a script that checks a dist source tarball for missing files... |
| 01:16.33 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/ (10 files in 5 dirs): remove the WIN32 conditionals relating to the binary mode specifier on file opens. just keep the rb/wb mode since ISO/IEC 9899:1990 does specify it. |
| 01:26.31 | kwizart | *** buffer overflow detected ***: |
| 01:32.06 | kwizart | http://pastebin.ca/439113 |
| 01:34.56 | kwizart | is libfb the same as : /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/libfb.so ? from the xorg modules ? |
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| 01:48.49 | IriX64 | i don't know about xorg but libfb is built here fine |
| 01:49.13 | IriX64 | far as i know not same but im a newbie |
| 01:55.05 | IriX64 | i don't see the rest of it did it get cut off? |
| 02:00.54 | louipc | looks like it's all there to me |
| 02:03.10 | kwizart | which rest ? lit is only the last quote of the build log ... |
| 02:23.50 | IriX64 | its a windows thing, sorry :) |
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| 02:37.51 | IriX64 | i've assigned the msn butterfly to my desktop unix mged shortcut :) |
| 02:38.18 | dli | I want an ebuild (gentoo) for 7.10.0 |
| 02:51.17 | IriX64 | tempted to package Xming in the same dir and distribute to anybody who wants it |
| 02:57.40 | IriX64 | doing it anybody want to try it? |
| 03:14.54 | brlcad | kwizart: no it is not the same |
| 03:15.17 | brlcad | there are three of brl-cad's dozen or so libraries that can conflict with other projects |
| 03:15.35 | brlcad | (and brl-cad's predates them all) |
| 03:16.15 | brlcad | looking into the crash you've shown, though I believe that is a tcl8.5 bug :/ |
| 03:17.26 | kwizart | do tcl 8.5 is known stable ? |
| 03:20.12 | kwizart | well if i can help with this (including filling a bug to tcl - i will try to see this ...) |
| 03:20.28 | brlcad | they won't care without an isolated test case |
| 03:21.33 | kwizart | starting point :) |
| 03:21.55 | deltazap | yeah...so...i don't think i'll be getting 7.10 compiled on my own. I'll just be waiting until the binary release :) |
| 03:26.37 | kwizart | well i suppose to work on system tcl/tk first to get it work... |
| 03:28.26 | kwizart | Do regex is also a brlcad projet ? i don't know where i can find it as a system libs ?! I suppose i was included in boost-devel ? |
| 03:33.02 | brlcad | deltazap: sorry for the complications .. this upgrade includes a slew of build system changes and not all the kinks have been worked out yet apparently |
| 03:34.02 | brlcad | it's working on all platforms on my testing end -- which includes at least 7 distinct platforms -- but apparently has issues on others |
| 03:34.13 | brlcad | or is being masked by my cvs builds |
| 03:35.05 | brlcad | kwizart: libregex is often now bundled along with libc frequently .. try just -lc |
| 03:35.32 | brlcad | it's *not* the boost library |
| 03:35.56 | kwizart | ok |
| 03:39.36 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/rt/viewarea.c: (log message trimmed) |
| 03:39.36 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: john points out a blatent thread locking problem where a BU_SEM_SYSCALL is |
| 03:39.36 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: acquired prior to a bu_calloc() which itself also attempts to acquire that same |
| 03:39.36 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: semaphore.. how the hell did that ever work?? make it use RT_SEM_RESULTS |
| 03:39.36 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: instead since it is simply initializing the results array. also, toss in some |
| 03:39.39 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: flushed output to avoid flooding the mged command windows to see if that helps |
| 03:39.41 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: with a separate lockup issue. finally, remove the USE_FORKED_THREADS hack for |
| 03:41.23 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/NEWS: fixed hanging bug related to rtarea |
| 03:41.32 | brlcad | kwizart: it should similarly auto-detect by default.. and it checks libc -- see if it indicates in config.log why it fails |
| 03:44.31 | kwizart | 'im checking the old one here: http://pastebin.ca/438960 |
| 03:44.41 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/proc-db/.cvsignore: typo |
| 03:47.13 | kwizart | line 2565 : configure:44350: result: no |
| 03:51.20 | brlcad | ./configure: line 44334: 30367 Segmentation fault ./conftest$ac_exeext |
| 03:52.01 | brlcad | so for some reason, the sanity test crashed |
| 03:52.45 | brlcad | you have it -- the regcomp test from -lc succeeded |
| 03:53.01 | brlcad | it failed to pass the sanity "does it work" functionality test |
| 03:55.29 | brlcad | download http://bzflag.bz/~sean/regtest.c then compile it (gcc -o regtest regtest.c) and then run it (./regtest) to see if it crashes on you directly |
| 04:01.17 | kwizart | ok |
| 04:03.00 | kwizart | no it do not seems to craches... |
| 04:04.39 | brlcad | ze plot thickens |
| 04:04.56 | brlcad | that's the same test.. so some #define or compiler option is crashing it |
| 04:05.35 | brlcad | i'll look into it some more tomorrow, but got to run out for a bit.. |
| 04:05.46 | kwizart | well i'm trying the originale one... |
| 04:25.20 | kwizart | well i'm going to see later ... too late... bye ... |
| 05:22.39 | deltazap | brlcad: i completely understand |
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| 13:57.30 | smallfoot- | hi |
| 13:57.33 | smallfoot- | i saw 7.10 is out |
| 13:57.38 | smallfoot- | but is no win32 binaries |
| 13:57.43 | smallfoot- | when is 7.10 come for windows? |
| 13:57.45 | smallfoot- | is brlcad good? :d |
| 13:58.21 | smallfoot- | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:58.28 | smallfoot- | look, 7.8.0 for windows is 1 year old |
| 13:58.37 | smallfoot- | must make new 7.10 for windows please!! |
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| 14:07.07 | brlcad | hello smallfoot- |
| 14:08.29 | brlcad | we don't have a dedicated windows developer, so releases for windows are .. infrequent |
| 14:08.45 | brlcad | if you're a windows dev, more than glad to have the help :) |
| 14:10.25 | brlcad | and as for whether it's "good" depends entirely on your familiarity and expectations .. it's not autocad and doesn't have a good graphical modeler interface. it does, however, have a powerful graphics engine and a lot of capabilities |
| 14:13.05 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/misc/pkgconfig/ (12 files): add initial pkg-config files for the core of brl-cad's libraries including libbn, libbu, librt, libdm, libfb, liboptical, libmultispectral, libwdb, libpkg, libfft, and libbrlcad |
| 14:15.33 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/configure.ac: generate all the new pkgconfig description files, and AC_SUBST a variety of system library symbols that they may need |
| 14:16.01 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/misc/Makefile.am: traverse into pkgconfig for the pkg-config descriptor files |
| 14:16.39 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/NEWS: added pkg-config files for core libraries |
| 14:22.13 | smallfoot- | why doesnt BRL-CAD enter the Google Summer of Code ? |
| 14:23.16 | smallfoot- | and why dont you say that BRL-CAD is a valuable tool in fighting terrorism, then you get 100 new full-time developers from the US ARMY lol |
| 14:23.24 | smallfoot- | what is needed to compile BRL-CAD? |
| 14:23.43 | brlcad | smallfoot-: we may host our own BSoC or BWoC |
| 14:23.54 | brlcad | a compiler and a shell ;) |
| 14:23.57 | smallfoot- | BSoC? BWoC? |
| 14:24.03 | brlcad | BRL-CAD Summer of Code |
| 14:24.12 | brlcad | we may do our own |
| 14:24.20 | smallfoot- | but google sponsors developers with money, and everybody knows about google summer of code |
| 14:24.26 | brlcad | not for this summer, but perhaps for this winter |
| 14:24.30 | smallfoot- | ok |
| 14:24.49 | smallfoot- | if you copmile on windows, what you need besides a compiler? |
| 14:24.59 | smallfoot- | need libraries and stuff? |
| 14:25.04 | brlcad | we might participate in GSoC next year too, depends if we get accepted |
| 14:25.15 | smallfoot- | okie cool |
| 14:25.22 | brlcad | on windows, you'll need Active Tcl's tcl/tk distribution |
| 14:25.26 | smallfoot- | BRL-CAD is same codebase as in 1970? |
| 14:25.33 | smallfoot- | oh |
| 14:25.49 | brlcad | the "same" .. no, it's been under constant development |
| 14:25.49 | smallfoot- | maybe would be better use wxWdigets? |
| 14:25.49 | smallfoot- | oh |
| 14:25.49 | smallfoot- | okie |
| 14:25.54 | smallfoot- | ever rewritten from scratch? |
| 14:26.04 | brlcad | heh |
| 14:26.23 | brlcad | you must be new to cad :) |
| 14:26.47 | smallfoot- | yes |
| 14:26.52 | smallfoot- | i never did any cad ever before lol |
| 14:26.56 | brlcad | brl-cad's more than a million lines of code |
| 14:27.10 | smallfoot- | but i thought "hey it would be cool to download a cad software, and do a computer case box" |
| 14:27.14 | smallfoot- | oh |
| 14:27.34 | brlcad | and we only touch on a small section of the "cad industry" |
| 14:27.47 | brlcad | in the big picture |
| 14:28.01 | brlcad | interface-wise, a "rewrite" per-se would be useful |
| 14:28.25 | brlcad | something that uses brl-cad's geometry engine and various converters and data processors, but just has a new interface |
| 14:28.37 | smallfoot- | oh the guy who made brlcad is dead :( |
| 14:29.11 | brlcad | yes, muuss passed away several years ago |
| 14:29.17 | smallfoot- | :( |
| 14:29.25 | brlcad | though his legacy lives on |
| 14:30.36 | smallfoot- | yeah, thats good |
| 14:30.59 | smallfoot- | why is your name brlcad? |
| 14:31.11 | smallfoot- | when i first saaw name brlcad in the channel, i thought it was a bot |
| 14:31.30 | brlcad | heh, well I can't do much about that now can I :) |
| 14:31.36 | brlcad | beep |
| 14:31.39 | smallfoot- | hehe |
| 14:31.40 | brlcad | error, that does not compute |
| 14:32.00 | deltazap | oh great, brlcad is going to start to make no sense at all! |
| 14:32.10 | brlcad | deltazap: I ever did? :) |
| 14:32.24 | smallfoot- | hehe |
| 14:32.39 | archivist | he never sleeps so he must be a bot |
| 14:32.47 | smallfoot- | when i run Windows installer of BRLCAD, it ask for Username and Company, but since its free software, its pointless, why it bother ask that? |
| 14:33.00 | deltazap | in another irc channel i idle in, we have a bot that's been around for quite a while now, i believe his megahal brain is somewhere around 60MB |
| 14:33.04 | smallfoot- | also, InstallShield is proprietary software, its better use MSI or NSIS |
| 14:34.00 | smallfoot- | does US ARMY use BRL-CAD to make tanks and then really make them? |
| 14:35.12 | smallfoot- | i wanted BRL-CAD but it installed Archer and MGED? |
| 14:35.31 | deltazap | mged is the interface to brlcad |
| 14:35.37 | brlcad | smallfoot-: usually the other way around -- the tanks exist, they are modeled in brl-cad and then analyzed |
| 14:35.37 | smallfoot- | okay |
| 14:35.53 | smallfoot- | deltazap, okay, maybe it should be made clear, not to confuse users |
| 14:36.03 | brlcad | primarily for vulnerability and lethality analysis, but often for other purposes too |
| 14:36.16 | smallfoot- | brlcad, oh, okay.. but is it possible to make something in BRLCAD, and then make an item from it? |
| 14:36.31 | brlcad | smallfoot-: i agree.. that old windows installer being used there is crap :) |
| 14:36.37 | brlcad | nsis would be way better |
| 14:36.45 | brlcad | just need someone to put it together :) |
| 14:37.07 | smallfoot- | ya |
| 14:37.16 | smallfoot- | you can put that on TODO list or something |
| 14:37.52 | smallfoot- | the About dialog, should have a logo, and a clickable URL to the website |
| 14:38.31 | smallfoot- | when i create "New", or something, it ask me to write database name, it should ask me when i save, not when i create |
| 14:38.58 | brlcad | smallfoot-: mged never "saves" |
| 14:39.11 | brlcad | everything is *always* saved |
| 14:39.18 | brlcad | different philosophy |
| 14:39.25 | smallfoot- | "* Use NSIS instead of InstallShield/MSI for Windows binary releases", ah, i see it |
| 14:39.34 | smallfoot- | oh, interestin |
| 14:39.45 | smallfoot- | but then if i open it, and change something, then i dont want to keep the change, then it sucks |
| 14:39.56 | brlcad | depends on the type of change |
| 14:40.03 | smallfoot- | oh |
| 14:40.32 | brlcad | but yes, if you actually edited geometry -- you'd have to make your intention evident before you edit, make a copy, etc |
| 14:41.09 | smallfoot- | okay, many people not used to this |
| 14:41.49 | smallfoot- | now, i noticed there is no toolbox where you can select what you want to create, you must use the Create menu, i think there should be a toolbox, like in any software |
| 14:42.28 | brlcad | smallfoot-: mged is powerful -- it's not easy to use or pretty or well organized :) |
| 14:42.29 | smallfoot- | now i created an item, but i want to undo it, so i pressed ctrl-z which i expected it to undo it, but instead it spins it lol |
| 14:42.39 | brlcad | 0 stops the spin |
| 14:42.43 | smallfoot- | someone should make it easier |
| 14:42.52 | brlcad | "someone" is working on that |
| 14:43.02 | smallfoot- | okie |
| 14:43.02 | brlcad | and you're welcome to help :) |
| 14:43.14 | smallfoot- | also there is "statusbar", which is pretty standard for all apps almost |
| 14:43.24 | smallfoot- | statusbar could be good, could provide valuable information |
| 14:43.27 | brlcad | there's a status bar |
| 14:43.30 | smallfoot- | oh, i dont see it |
| 14:43.45 | smallfoot- | oh, maybe its in that console thing? |
| 14:43.56 | brlcad | maybe don't be so quick to jump to conclusions.. it usually takes weeks to really "find" everything in mged |
| 14:44.02 | smallfoot- | oh |
| 14:44.04 | brlcad | it's not a discoverable interface -- requires training |
| 14:44.10 | smallfoot- | someone should make it less than weeks to find things lol |
| 14:44.12 | smallfoot- | oh |
| 14:44.14 | brlcad | going through the tutorials |
| 14:44.36 | deltazap | smallfoot-: it's not that hard once you get the hang of things |
| 14:44.59 | brlcad | seriously, we're not short of ideas either -- the deficiencies and powerful aspects are pretty well known |
| 14:45.25 | smallfoot- | oh |
| 14:45.39 | smallfoot- | this multipane mode is nice |
| 14:45.50 | deltazap | i still think that Pro/E is much more confusing than brlcad :P |
| 14:45.58 | brlcad | deltazap: :) |
| 14:46.05 | smallfoot- | but the menus has no shortcut keys, it would be good add some, it could increase productivity, so you can use keyboard instead of have to go through the menus with mouse |
| 14:46.21 | brlcad | there are shortcut keys |
| 14:46.31 | smallfoot- | they're not mentioned in the menu |
| 14:46.37 | smallfoot- | usually they're mentioned in the menu to the right |
| 14:46.37 | brlcad | and hidden key bindings |
| 14:46.41 | smallfoot- | oh |
| 14:46.49 | brlcad | there's not shortcuts to everything, but to many |
| 14:46.58 | brlcad | look for the underline |
| 14:47.04 | smallfoot- | oh |
| 14:47.12 | smallfoot- | ah, now i understand |
| 14:47.16 | smallfoot- | a little bit unconventional |
| 14:47.26 | smallfoot- | ADD ? |
| 14:47.32 | brlcad | nvr mind :) |
| 14:47.35 | smallfoot- | lol |
| 14:47.44 | brlcad | like you've had too much coffee |
| 14:47.45 | smallfoot- | the grid only shows in one pane when i use multipane mode |
| 14:47.48 | smallfoot- | hehe |
| 14:47.50 | smallfoot- | ya, maybe :d |
| 14:47.55 | smallfoot- | no, i dont drink coffee lol |
| 14:48.21 | deltazap | brlcad: next friday, you may see a temporary increase in brlcad users |
| 14:48.21 | brlcad | when in multipane mode, operations are per pane |
| 14:48.23 | deltazap | ;) |
| 14:48.29 | brlcad | you can enable/disable features for any/all panes |
| 14:48.40 | brlcad | deltazap: oh? |
| 14:48.44 | brlcad | only temporary? :) |
| 14:49.09 | smallfoot- | an GUI rewrite would be good |
| 14:49.17 | brlcad | it would be very good |
| 14:49.20 | deltazap | we're doing a computer security competition and for one of the 1 hour challenges, it's going to be a brlcad model with a hidden message |
| 14:49.42 | brlcad | nifty |
| 14:49.48 | brlcad | how's it "hidden"? |
| 14:50.36 | smallfoot- | the font in the menus on Windows is big |
| 14:50.39 | brlcad | or maybe best to know know ;) |
| 14:50.45 | brlcad | s/know know/not know/ |
| 14:50.51 | brlcad | smallfoot-: it's configurable |
| 14:50.59 | deltazap | i'll let you find it when i get it done ;) |
| 14:51.22 | smallfoot- | oh |
| 14:51.44 | brlcad | the guy that wrote most of mged's gui is not only partially color blind, his eyesight's not so hot either :) |
| 14:51.51 | brlcad | he liked everything bigger than the defaults |
| 14:52.20 | brlcad | smallfoot-: you might like archer a little more |
| 14:52.36 | smallfoot- | oh |
| 14:52.36 | brlcad | it's missing a lot of functionality, but it's an interface more like what you're probably used to |
| 14:53.01 | brlcad | http://ftp.brlcad.org/tmp/Archer_0.5prototype.png |
| 14:53.08 | smallfoot- | yeah, Arhcer looks nicer |
| 14:53.22 | smallfoot- | hmm |
| 14:53.23 | brlcad | basically it's still mged, just with a different gui |
| 14:53.28 | smallfoot- | oh |
| 14:53.31 | smallfoot- | now i understand |
| 14:53.45 | smallfoot- | so BRL-CAD is kinda the underlaying engine, and Archer and MGED are frontends? |
| 14:54.32 | brlcad | BRL-CAD also *includes* the underlying engine .. and yes, archer and mged are two modeler "frontends" |
| 14:54.45 | smallfoot- | okie |
| 14:54.52 | brlcad | there are also about 400 other processing tools |
| 14:54.53 | smallfoot- | which is best? which do you use? |
| 14:54.57 | smallfoot- | oh |
| 14:55.06 | smallfoot- | 400 other processing tools that use BRL-CAD? |
| 14:55.15 | brlcad | no, brl-cad includes 400 other tools |
| 14:55.54 | brlcad | mged and archer, and a couple others, however, are the "main" gui-based ones |
| 14:56.17 | brlcad | the rest are data processors of various sorts -- image processing, geometry conversion, data manipulation, procedural content creation,e tc |
| 14:56.29 | brlcad | it's a suite of tools |
| 14:57.00 | smallfoot- | oh, much, big, complex |
| 14:57.11 | smallfoot- | so which is best? which do you use? archer or mged? |
| 14:57.32 | deltazap | smallfoot-: more...unixy :) |
| 14:57.39 | brlcad | archer has a lot of "better" gui aspects, but it's still mostly a prototype design |
| 14:57.50 | brlcad | mged has "the power" |
| 14:58.15 | smallfoot- | oh |
| 14:58.29 | smallfoot- | is archer meant to be gui 2.0 or something? |
| 14:58.59 | brlcad | it was meant to be a prototype design, it could easily replace mged down the road if it added the missing functionality |
| 14:59.13 | smallfoot- | its intended to replace MGED? |
| 14:59.29 | brlcad | depends whom you ask |
| 14:59.42 | brlcad | that was probably some of the intention |
| 14:59.59 | smallfoot- | archer feels more nice and modern |
| 15:00.02 | smallfoot- | okie |
| 15:00.08 | brlcad | it's mostly written by the same guy that wrote mged, he's basically refactoring everything as he goes along |
| 15:00.14 | smallfoot- | oh |
| 15:00.19 | smallfoot- | i dont know how to draw things in archer |
| 15:00.37 | brlcad | me either, so can't help you much ;) |
| 15:00.40 | brlcad | again *prototype* |
| 15:00.42 | brlcad | :) |
| 15:00.58 | brlcad | i.e. pre-alpha |
| 15:01.07 | smallfoot- | lol |
| 15:01.10 | smallfoot- | hehe, okie |
| 15:01.18 | brlcad | functional, and a great improvement gui-wise |
| 15:01.29 | brlcad | but far from complete or usable for general use |
| 15:01.33 | brlcad | needs more work |
| 15:02.13 | brlcad | mged is functional and usable.. but requires a fair bit of learning before you can use it, but the docs are pretty extensive |
| 15:05.05 | smallfoot- | oh |
| 15:05.40 | smallfoot- | i cant get Archer to an usable state :( |
| 15:06.02 | brlcad | heh |
| 15:06.07 | brlcad | did you turn on "advanced" moded? |
| 15:06.10 | smallfoot- | yes |
| 15:06.19 | smallfoot- | it made more stuff appear, but all was "disabled" |
| 15:06.22 | smallfoot- | non-clickable |
| 15:06.25 | brlcad | ah |
| 15:06.31 | brlcad | well, you have to open a geometry file |
| 15:06.38 | smallfoot- | i made a "new" one |
| 15:06.44 | smallfoot- | i think |
| 15:06.55 | brlcad | open something that already exists |
| 15:07.05 | brlcad | see if you can display it, like moss.g |
| 15:07.11 | smallfoot- | MGED can only export to ascii and database? cant export to SVG, 3ds, dwf or any of formats? |
| 15:07.15 | smallfoot- | oh |
| 15:07.43 | brlcad | MGED reads and writes BRL-CAD format .. there are other tools (part of the 400) that read/write other formats |
| 15:08.24 | brlcad | two diagrams of interest perhaps: http://ftp.brlcad.org/tmp/overview_page8.jpg |
| 15:08.24 | smallfoot- | ah, open moss.g works |
| 15:08.42 | brlcad | http://ftp.brlcad.org/tmp/converters_page23.jpg |
| 15:08.44 | smallfoot- | it should be integrated in MGED and Archer to export to more formats |
| 15:10.25 | brlcad | here's an example pure brl-cad model made with mged: http://ftp.brlcad.org/images/t62c.jpg |
| 15:12.02 | smallfoot- | looks nice |
| 15:12.22 | smallfoot- | is autocad the industry de-fact thing? like photoshop is to graphics? |
| 15:12.50 | brlcad | they're one of the biggest, but no, not the defacto standard |
| 15:13.17 | brlcad | there are about 5 companies that are each multi-billion dollar profit makers |
| 15:14.09 | smallfoot- | oh |
| 15:14.15 | smallfoot- | which are the most popular software? |
| 15:14.25 | brlcad | ah, here's a better example of a prototypical model: http://ftp.brlcad.org/tmp/primitives/Plate%20IV.png |
| 15:14.56 | smallfoot- | complex drawing |
| 15:16.42 | smallfoot- | you know which are the most popular software? |
| 15:17.19 | brlcad | pretty much |
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| 15:18.08 | smallfoot- | which is? |
| 15:20.14 | brlcad | depends which part of the cad domain you care about |
| 15:20.43 | brlcad | there are at least one or two major products in each industry: http://ftp.brlcad.org/Industry_Diagram.png |
| 15:21.40 | smallfoot- | oh |
| 15:22.08 | smallfoot- | oh, its pretty big industry |
| 15:22.28 | brlcad | pro/e, unigraphics/nx, solidworks, autocad, gibbscam, catia |
| 15:22.46 | brlcad | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_CAD_companies |
| 15:23.10 | smallfoot- | oh, i only heard about autocad |
| 15:23.47 | smallfoot- | i never done anything CAD, CAE, CAM stuff before, and its kinda confusing, and difficult to use software =/ |
| 15:24.05 | smallfoot- | do you know any good software? any easy software? any noob software? |
| 15:25.01 | brlcad | brl-cad's pretty easy to me :) |
| 15:25.07 | brlcad | but not noob-friendly |
| 15:25.31 | brlcad | CAD software is hard in general -- I don't know anyone that has it "simplified down" |
| 15:25.45 | brlcad | the closest you'll probably get is something non-CAD but still modeling |
| 15:26.23 | smallfoot- | oh |
| 15:26.39 | smallfoot- | ya, i tried Blender, its some 3D software, but its difficult too lol |
| 15:26.48 | smallfoot- | it seems all kind of CAD and 3D software is difficult lol |
| 15:27.03 | brlcad | you probably also mean "free", which none of those I listed are free by a long shot ;) |
| 15:28.58 | smallfoot- | ya |
| 15:29.20 | smallfoot- | even Google SketchUp is difficult for me lol |
| 15:32.03 | brlcad | well then.. |
| 15:32.22 | brlcad | maybe the problem isn't the software :) |
| 15:32.28 | smallfoot- | hehe |
| 15:32.28 | brlcad | maybe too many skittles :) |
| 15:32.31 | smallfoot- | ya |
| 15:33.02 | smallfoot- | isnt there any software, where you can write stuff like <box width="50cm" height="20cm" depth"10cm" color="red"> or something? |
| 15:33.04 | brlcad | so, you're going to whip out an nsis installer for brl-cad ? :) |
| 15:33.13 | smallfoot- | i never used NSIS |
| 15:33.18 | smallfoot- | never made an installer before |
| 15:33.26 | brlcad | good chance to learn ;) |
| 15:33.32 | smallfoot- | true |
| 15:33.37 | brlcad | lots of fame, glory, and exposure |
| 15:33.47 | smallfoot- | yeah, and maybe sex too |
| 15:33.49 | smallfoot- | lol |
| 15:34.22 | brlcad | that 7.6.0 windows installer reports about 100,000 downloads |
| 15:34.35 | smallfoot- | wow |
| 15:34.37 | smallfoot- | cool |
| 15:34.45 | brlcad | so you'd get a lot of exposure if you made it better ;) |
| 15:35.03 | smallfoot- | i install NSIs now, gonna check it out |
| 15:35.53 | brlcad | I have a beautiful example nsis installer for you to go by if you get that far |
| 15:36.43 | smallfoot- | oh |
| 15:38.16 | smallfoot- | ok, i did an example installer :p |
| 15:38.34 | brlcad | i mean a fully-functional example from a real app :) |
| 15:38.39 | smallfoot- | ya |
| 15:38.41 | brlcad | bz's is splended |
| 15:38.45 | smallfoot- | i wonder if i need write registry keys? |
| 15:39.10 | brlcad | should not |
| 15:39.28 | brlcad | here's a good example: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/bzflag/bzflag-2.0.8.exe?download |
| 15:39.34 | smallfoot- | some reg keys needed if you want it to be uninstallable |
| 15:40.35 | brlcad | the actual nsis for that example: http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag/package/win32/nsis/ |
| 15:40.54 | smallfoot- | oh |
| 15:40.55 | brlcad | smallfoot-: not necessarily - you can provide an uninstaller |
| 15:41.18 | smallfoot- | ya, i guess |
| 15:41.34 | smallfoot- | but example shows what reg keys to use to put an uninstalled in "Add/Remove programs" |
| 15:42.51 | brlcad | yeah, that would be the easiest for starters |
| 15:43.01 | brlcad | i'm saying that eventually, you'd want that to be optional |
| 15:44.50 | smallfoot- | its standard to use "Add/Remove progams", so i think that should be used, thouhg you can uninstall from start menu too |
| 15:46.02 | smallfoot- | i dont think its possible to choose a whole directory in NSIS, you must choose file for file, when creating the config? |
| 15:46.45 | brlcad | i don't remember |
| 15:47.26 | brlcad | i believe you can |
| 15:47.36 | smallfoot- | okie |
| 15:47.43 | brlcad | yeah, you can |
| 15:47.44 | smallfoot- | you used NSIS before? |
| 15:47.50 | brlcad | did you even read the example?? :) |
| 15:47.56 | smallfoot- | i read example.nsi |
| 15:48.03 | smallfoot- | and example2.nsi |
| 15:48.11 | brlcad | no, the functioning one |
| 15:48.19 | smallfoot- | hmm |
| 15:48.30 | brlcad | 11:39 <@brlcad> here's a good example: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/bzflag/bzflag-2.0.8.exe?download |
| 15:48.34 | brlcad | 11:40 <@brlcad> the actual nsis for that example: http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag/package/win32/nsis/ |
| 15:48.38 | smallfoot- | oh those |
| 15:48.48 | smallfoot- | but i thouht thats for fancy unneeded graphics? |
| 15:49.20 | brlcad | eh, that's only one aspect of many |
| 15:49.31 | brlcad | you do see that there's an nsis file in there? |
| 15:50.22 | brlcad | and the "fancy unneeded" graphics might not be strictly necessary, but they are also part of the polish that would be nice to have |
| 15:51.25 | smallfoot- | indeed |
| 16:04.09 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/misc/brlcad-config.1: add an initial manpage for the brlcad-config script |
| 16:11.08 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/TODO: added pkg-config scripts |
| 16:13.08 | smallfoot- | you dont happen to know how to copy a whole directory instead of just a file in NSIS? |
| 16:19.41 | smallfoot- | ah, i figured it out |
| 16:32.24 | smallfoot- | so you want the installer to have Modern UI like the one in BzFlag? |
| 16:40.00 | brlcad | yes |
| 16:40.13 | brlcad | though the actual images don't have to be sorted out |
| 16:40.39 | brlcad | we have artwork I can stub in for them.. more just having them be a placeholder -- could even just leave the same images |
| 16:40.54 | smallfoot- | ah, okie |
| 16:40.59 | smallfoot- | you have any .ico ? |
| 16:42.31 | brlcad | yes |
| 16:43.04 | smallfoot- | okie, you send me? |
| 16:45.17 | brlcad | here's a crappy old one: http://brlcad.cvs.sourceforge.net/brlcad/brlcad/doc/html/manuals/small-eagleCAD.ico |
| 16:46.00 | smallfoot- | okie |
| 16:48.12 | brlcad | need to regenerate a better .ico from http://ftp.brlcad.org/images/logo/ |
| 16:50.32 | smallfoot- | ya |
| 16:50.45 | smallfoot- | much nicer logo |
| 16:50.51 | smallfoot- | i dont have any icon software tool thouhg |
| 16:52.52 | smallfoot- | i guess its okay for me to use the bzflag as a base? |
| 16:53.53 | brlcad | sure |
| 16:54.10 | brlcad | the images are easy to replace |
| 16:55.50 | smallfoot- | okie |
| 16:57.28 | smallfoot- | this "Modern UI" that BzFlag makes the installer a bit more complex |
| 17:00.53 | brlcad | it's also got optional installation componenets, which is something BRL-CAD needs too |
| 17:02.16 | smallfoot- | yeah |
| 17:02.23 | smallfoot- | for "Example" directory |
| 17:02.25 | smallfoot- | and stuff like that |
| 17:02.30 | smallfoot- | maybe for Archer |
| 17:07.32 | smallfoot- | you sent me a bad icon, it was 96x83 dimensions |
| 17:08.34 | brlcad | yeah, the main sections would probably be example geometry, documentation, developer libraries/headers, & applications (converters, benchmark suite, MGED, and Archer) |
| 17:09.04 | brlcad | i thought that icon seemed corrupt |
| 17:09.26 | smallfoot- | yeah, the NSIS wouldnt compile, it warned about the icon |
| 17:09.40 | smallfoot- | i can use the icon from bzflag |
| 17:16.36 | smallfoot- | example geometry is in BRL-CAD\Samples? |
| 17:16.59 | brlcad | ? |
| 17:17.20 | brlcad | it's wherever you put it |
| 17:17.57 | brlcad | for a normal unix install, it's in /usr/brlcad/share/brlcad/7.10.0/db |
| 17:18.17 | brlcad | for windows ... |
| 17:36.55 | smallfoot- | we need side.bmp of 164x314 |
| 17:37.16 | smallfoot- | and header of like 150px width (or wider) and 57px high |
| 17:47.59 | brlcad | okay |
| 17:49.28 | smallfoot- | there is doc\htlm\manuals |
| 17:49.39 | smallfoot- | but doc\html\ is empty, its only the folder manuals there |
| 17:50.24 | brlcad | you mean in the 7.6.0 release? |
| 17:50.36 | brlcad | ignore what's in there ;) it's missing a lot of things |
| 17:51.16 | brlcad | in a source distribution, it'll be most of the items under the doc/ directory, as well as other docs on the website like the tutorial pdfs |
| 17:51.59 | smallfoot- | 7.8.0 |
| 17:52.09 | smallfoot- | oh |
| 17:52.16 | smallfoot- | didnt know there are pdfs |
| 17:53.17 | smallfoot- | you want user to be able to choose not to install start menu icons? |
| 17:54.26 | brlcad | yeah |
| 17:54.50 | smallfoot- | okie |
| 18:08.45 | smallfoot- | you dont have BRL-CAD installed on any Windows machine atm? |
| 18:15.41 | smallfoot- | wow, this InstallShield really is dumb |
| 18:17.19 | brlcad | done with the graphics, http://ftp.brlcad.org/tmp/header.bmp http://ftp.brlcad.org/tmp/side.bmp |
| 18:17.41 | smallfoot- | awesome |
| 18:19.23 | smallfoot- | someone should compile the .exe files so the icons are attached to them |
| 18:19.51 | smallfoot- | so we need a icon and perhaps but only maybe a uninstall icon, i dont think its really needed, but we could have it if wants |
| 18:36.53 | smallfoot- | can you get me an good ico? |
| 18:38.48 | brlcad | http://ftp.brlcad.org/tmp/ico/ |
| 18:39.01 | brlcad | was just something quick |
| 18:39.13 | brlcad | dunno if the larger sizes are valid, can't test really well |
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| 18:45.45 | smallfoot- | best would be if all 4 was in 1 .ico file |
| 19:05.24 | smallfoot- | Error finding icon resources: installer, uninstaller icon size mismatch - see the Icon instruction's documentation for more information -- failing! |
| 19:05.25 | smallfoot- | Error - aborting creation process |
| 19:05.43 | smallfoot- | the icon you sent me apparently isnt good enough for NSIS |
| 19:05.57 | brlcad | which one did you use? |
| 19:06.03 | smallfoot- | 32x32 |
| 19:06.27 | smallfoot- | which is 16x16 |
| 19:06.28 | brlcad | saying it's a mismatch.. so uninstaller must be different size |
| 19:06.41 | smallfoot- | though the bzflag icon was 32x32 and it worked fine |
| 19:06.54 | brlcad | bzflag had multiples embedded |
| 19:06.57 | smallfoot- | ya |
| 19:07.01 | smallfoot- | now i uncommented the uninstaller icon; Error finding icon resources: installer, uninstaller number of icons doesn't match - see the Icon instruction's documentation for more information -- failing! |
| 19:07.03 | brlcad | so no mismatch |
| 19:07.10 | smallfoot- | ya |
| 19:07.18 | smallfoot- | i guess we need one with both 16x16 and 32x32 |
| 19:07.21 | smallfoot- | you could make that? |
| 19:07.27 | brlcad | or an uninstaller with 32 |
| 19:07.44 | brlcad | i'm working on a multisized .ico |
| 19:08.53 | smallfoot- | okie |
| 19:09.48 | smallfoot- | do you think you could compile 7.10.0 and we roll out a new release? |
| 19:10.41 | brlcad | can do a 7.10.2 at the end of this month, there are a couple fixes that needed to be made already |
| 19:10.47 | smallfoot- | oh |
| 19:10.49 | brlcad | including windows build fixes |
| 19:10.59 | smallfoot- | thought 7.10.0 was latest, that was the version of the source at SF.net i saw |
| 19:11.01 | smallfoot- | cool |
| 19:11.05 | brlcad | it is the latest |
| 19:11.08 | smallfoot- | oh |
| 19:11.11 | smallfoot- | but you say 0.2 |
| 19:11.21 | smallfoot- | err, 10.2 |
| 19:11.21 | brlcad | yes, that's the next release version |
| 19:11.25 | smallfoot- | okie |
| 19:11.30 | smallfoot- | col |
| 19:11.30 | brlcad | in about two weeks |
| 19:11.32 | smallfoot- | cool* |
| 19:11.33 | smallfoot- | nice |
| 19:11.46 | smallfoot- | the installer is pretty much done, i believe |
| 19:11.46 | brlcad | trying to stick to our monthly release schedule |
| 19:11.50 | smallfoot- | just needs be compiled and tested |
| 19:11.53 | smallfoot- | oh |
| 19:12.15 | smallfoot- | you done with the icon soon? |
| 19:12.15 | brlcad | if I stay off irc a few minutes :) |
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| 19:13.06 | smallfoot- | hehe |
| 19:13.11 | smallfoot- | okie |
| 19:16.03 | dli | I want a brlcad-cvs package for gentoo |
| 19:20.22 | ``Erik | so go make one? |
| 19:22.05 | dli | ``Erik, I couldn't make it run |
| 19:22.15 | bjorkBSD | try again? :) |
| 19:23.20 | dli | bjorkBSD, kidding? |
| 19:24.06 | smallfoot- | lol |
| 19:47.25 | smallfoot- | brlcad, you working on the ico? |
| 19:52.28 | brlcad | yes |
| 19:53.11 | smallfoot- | good |
| 19:53.14 | smallfoot- | you have it ready soon? :d |
| 19:53.24 | brlcad | hopefully |
| 19:54.39 | smallfoot- | good |
| 20:11.39 | dli | I got a gentoo ebuild for cvs, it's compiling now |
| 20:18.45 | brlcad | there we go, that should be something |
| 20:18.54 | brlcad | not a great icon, but it'll do for now |
| 20:19.22 | brlcad | http://ftp.brlcad.org/tmp/ico/mossicon.ico |
| 20:19.42 | brlcad | question, though.. which icon is this for? |
| 20:19.54 | brlcad | MGED != BRL-CAD |
| 20:20.21 | brlcad | if it's an mged icon, i'll have to create another |
| 20:22.06 | smallfoot- | this one is primarily for installer |
| 20:22.12 | smallfoot- | but one for MGEd would be good too |
| 20:24.01 | brlcad | okay, yeah, for installer, that'll do just fine |
| 20:24.02 | smallfoot- | Error finding icon resources: installer, uninstaller icon size mismatch - see the Icon instruction's documentation for more information -- failing! |
| 20:24.02 | brlcad | well I did verify this one .. it has 48, 32, 16 embedded, should be standard win32 format |
| 20:24.06 | brlcad | uninstaller might have to match exactly or something |
| 20:24.15 | brlcad | what uninstaller icon are you using? |
| 20:24.27 | smallfoot- | the one that came with bzflag |
| 20:24.36 | smallfoot- | which is 16x16 and works with bzflag.ico which is 32x32 strange |
| 20:25.07 | brlcad | ah, it only has 16 and 32 |
| 20:25.12 | brlcad | perhaps it has to match all sizes |
| 20:25.17 | brlcad | i'll make one up |
| 20:38.29 | IriX64 | heh -A=opteron, who you kidding IriX |
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| 20:45.00 | IriX64 | http://www.pastebin.ca/440165 <----- hehehehe should i build it? |
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| 20:53.33 | IriX64 | theres a picture of an mged icon on my blog now, yours if you want it |
| 20:54.45 | smallfoot- | where your blog? |
| 20:55.08 | IriX64 | http://irix64.spaces.live.com/photos/brl-cad |
| 20:55.15 | IriX64 | use the - |
| 20:57.00 | IriX64 | thanks to whoever put the opteron specific machine.h together for gcc :) |
| 20:58.28 | brlcad | smallfoot-: http://ftp.brlcad.org/tmp/ico/mossicon.ico and http://ftp.brlcad.org/tmp/ico/uninstall.ico updated |
| 20:58.34 | brlcad | they are matching now |
| 20:58.54 | brlcad | if it still errors, then there must be some other rule about which sizes/depths must be in there and which are optional |
| 21:00.40 | smallfoot- | okie |
| 21:00.55 | smallfoot- | where you got uninstall icon from? |
| 21:03.22 | brlcad | i just made it |
| 21:05.44 | smallfoot- | okay it works now |
| 21:06.00 | smallfoot- | but the installer needs some tweaking |
| 21:06.03 | brlcad | hm, good to know |
| 21:07.18 | IriX64 | smallfoot, if you want that eagle icon, let me know how to get it to you |
| 21:07.50 | IriX64 | e-mail comes to mind |
| 21:09.13 | brlcad | eagle icon? |
| 21:09.24 | IriX64 | look on my blog |
| 21:09.51 | brlcad | eh, that's the one already in the distro |
| 21:10.19 | IriX64 | whup sorry then |
| 21:10.30 | IriX64 | didnt know he already had it |
| 21:10.31 | brlcad | tis an ugly logo :) |
| 21:10.42 | IriX64 | cmon, i kind of like it |
| 21:10.55 | brlcad | i've looked at it for too many years |
| 21:11.03 | brlcad | the colors kill baby seals |
| 21:11.52 | IriX64 | heh change it to green then |
| 21:12.10 | brlcad | it's an option (and already done) |
| 21:12.23 | brlcad | but more important to get the nsis installer working first, regardless of the icon |
| 21:12.36 | IriX64 | true sorry for intruding |
| 21:12.40 | brlcad | the moss world one should do just fine for that |
| 21:13.50 | IriX64 | that the one thats on the ftp? |
| 21:14.08 | brlcad | yes |
| 21:14.30 | IriX64 | that is also nice |
| 21:14.56 | brlcad | really shouldn't have text, since the icon has it's own label |
| 21:15.02 | brlcad | but oh well |
| 21:15.04 | IriX64 | ill have to blow it up to get a better look just a sec... |
| 21:15.48 | dli | how do I specify system tcl tk libraries for configure? |
| 21:17.26 | IriX64 | brlcad that dir is no longer there? |
| 21:17.55 | IriX64 | ah i see tmp oh well |
| 21:27.17 | smallfoot- | the uninstall icon doesnt look like an uninstall icon on 16x16 |
| 21:31.21 | IriX64 | heh 41 minutes to build it i'll install this and shut up now |
| 21:32.57 | brlcad | smallfoot-: yes, I know |
| 21:33.21 | brlcad | neither icon is what I'd consider good or done, but it'll placehold for now |
| 21:38.40 | smallfoot- | i can use default NSIS icons |
| 21:38.42 | smallfoot- | they look nice |
| 21:38.45 | smallfoot- | i should use default? |
| 21:39.12 | deltazap | the install icon could be 'in' and the uninstall icon could be just 'Z' |
| 21:40.25 | smallfoot- | deltazap, what? |
| 21:42.01 | deltazap | strained mged joke ;) |
| 21:42.10 | smallfoot- | hehe |
| 21:42.25 | smallfoot- | okie, i dont that, im a noob |
| 21:42.57 | smallfoot- | the installation routine seems to work fine |
| 21:43.05 | smallfoot- | but the uninstallation needs some tweaking |
| 21:43.15 | smallfoot- | there seems to be no recursive deletion |
| 21:43.32 | smallfoot- | i hope there is a way so i dont have to manually tell it each directory to delete |
| 21:45.24 | bjorkBSD | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.01 | IriX64 | http://www.pastebin.ca/440238 <-- pardon the instrusion, this is at a C:\ prompt |
| 21:49.01 | smallfoot- | bjorkBSD, /r works at File (for install), but /r dont work for "Delete" |
| 21:49.38 | bjorkBSD | dos? |
| 21:49.55 | bjorkBSD | IriX64 uses dos too, smallfoot-. |
| 21:50.02 | bjorkBSD | i think it's dos3.11 :) |
| 21:50.22 | IriX64 | heh |
| 21:50.30 | IriX64 | frame buffer is up man |
| 21:51.42 | IriX64 | http://www.pastebin.ca/440241 have a peek :) |
| 21:52.00 | IriX64 | ill shut up now, poof :) |
| 21:52.09 | brlcad | deltazap: heh |
| 21:52.11 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/misc/brlcad-config.in: |
| 21:52.11 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: initial brlcad-config script template that, similar to pkg-config, can report on |
| 21:52.11 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: various cflags/cppflags and libs/ldflags for 3rd-party developers to use for |
| 21:52.11 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: linking against brl-cad's various libraries individually or collectively. could |
| 21:52.11 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: undoubtedly use some more work and additional features like reporting on other |
| 21:52.13 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: various configure-time and compile-time options that get used for a given build, |
| 21:52.15 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: but this should get the ball rolling. |
| 21:52.31 | brlcad | in and kill, actually :) |
| 21:52.42 | brlcad | otherwise e and Z ;) |
| 21:53.50 | smallfoot- | brlcad, i can use deafult NSIS icons, they look nice, should I use default? |
| 21:54.33 | brlcad | whatever you think looks best for starters .. but leave the others stubbed in the .nsis file so it can be set/changed later if it requires some edit |
| 21:56.00 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/misc/pkgconfig/fb.pc.in: should have libm for libbu |
| 21:56.37 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/configure.ac: generate the brlcad-config script during configure |
| 21:57.08 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/misc/Makefile.am: install the brlcad-config script into the script/bin directory, include along with the distribution. include and install the manpage for it too. |
| 21:59.50 | IriX64 | what should i draw? :) |
| 22:00.33 | smallfoot- | computar |
| 22:04.00 | IriX64 | http://irix64.spaaces.live.com/photos/brl-cad <---- about=good work sean whoever you are |
| 22:04.25 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/doc/history.txt: include a big ol disclaimer that this isn't a write-up, it's just old notes being kept for reference for a future writeup |
| 22:04.26 | smallfoot- | brlcad, only icon names need be change,d the .nsi file dont need be touche |
| 22:04.59 | brlcad | smallfoot-: sounds good then |
| 22:05.24 | smallfoot- | i just cant decide wether to use current icons or the NSIS default ones |
| 22:06.52 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/NEWS: added a brlcad-config configuration script |
| 22:08.32 | smallfoot- | NSIS takes like <10mb |
| 22:08.36 | smallfoot- | old installer took 15mb lol |
| 22:08.43 | brlcad | smallfoot-: use the current .. it'll motivate me to clean them up come time to release |
| 22:08.52 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/BUGS: mged should now correctly find its resources if you turn off tcl/tk |
| 22:08.58 | smallfoot- | okie |
| 22:09.11 | brlcad | unless you want to stab at making some nice icons too |
| 22:10.33 | smallfoot- | okay, iguess the libraries shoudlnt be optional lol |
| 22:10.39 | smallfoot- | since it doesnt run without them |
| 22:11.08 | brlcad | the libraries aren't but the developer headers would be |
| 22:11.27 | brlcad | and various developer libraries |
| 22:12.51 | smallfoot- | lib\ is needed |
| 22:13.22 | brlcad | yep, at least portions |
| 22:13.33 | brlcad | mged has to find it's run-time libraries |
| 22:13.42 | smallfoot- | ya, so i dont make \lib optional? |
| 22:13.47 | brlcad | we're talking about two separate things, or your misunderstanding |
| 22:14.01 | brlcad | no, \lib doesn't become optional |
| 22:14.08 | smallfoot- | ok, it was optional, i change so it isnt |
| 22:14.22 | smallfoot- | ill keep includes\ optional ? |
| 22:14.31 | brlcad | there are additional things that will ultimately go into the windows installer (that are not currently a part of the installer) |
| 22:14.39 | brlcad | sure, keep includes optional |
| 22:14.56 | smallfoot- | okie |
| 22:18.31 | smallfoot- | I had "Doc\" optional, but Archer doesnt run without Doc\ :( |
| 22:18.54 | smallfoot- | so what should i do? |
| 22:20.55 | IriX64 | brl-cad just came of age (check blog for dosshot1 and dosshot2) |
| 22:21.21 | brlcad | smallfoot-: that's because there's stuff in Doc that doesn't belong there |
| 22:21.28 | brlcad | just make it non-optional for now |
| 22:22.12 | smallfoot- | oh |
| 22:22.14 | smallfoot- | okie |
| 22:24.16 | smallfoot- | i believe it to be kinda done now... |
| 22:25.25 | smallfoot- | so what should i do? |
| 22:25.28 | smallfoot- | do you have a windows box? |
| 22:25.42 | smallfoot- | we roll out this for 7.8.0 or we wait until 7.10.2 ? |
| 22:26.09 | brlcad | 7. |
| 22:26.18 | brlcad | 7.8.0 is long dead :) |
| 22:26.32 | brlcad | i do have a windows partition somewhere available to test |
| 22:26.40 | brlcad | i'd like to get the nsis setup into CVS |
| 22:26.56 | smallfoot- | i can send it to you, and you put it in CVS? |
| 22:27.05 | brlcad | yeah, that'll work |
| 22:27.14 | smallfoot- | you use .7z ? |
| 22:27.59 | brlcad | p7zip? |
| 22:28.05 | smallfoot- | 7-Zip |
| 22:28.07 | brlcad | i can install it if needed |
| 22:28.10 | smallfoot- | oh |
| 22:28.15 | smallfoot- | well, i can send whatever you need |
| 22:28.19 | smallfoot- | which format you want it in? |
| 22:28.25 | brlcad | whatever really |
| 22:28.29 | smallfoot- | zip works? |
| 22:28.47 | smallfoot- | do you want the 10 mb binary too? |
| 22:28.58 | brlcad | probably not, but upload that too |
| 22:29.00 | smallfoot- | oh |
| 22:29.06 | brlcad | just separately |
| 22:29.10 | smallfoot- | ah okie |
| 22:29.17 | smallfoot- | i can send them over IRC to you? |
| 22:29.20 | brlcad | anonymous ftp to ftp.brlcad.org/incoming |
| 22:29.20 | smallfoot- | or how you want them? |
| 22:29.24 | smallfoot- | oh, okie |
| 22:29.37 | smallfoot- | then i dont need zip them |
| 22:29.44 | smallfoot- | ill zip them anyways lol |
| 22:31.47 | smallfoot- | okay, its uploaded |
| 22:31.59 | smallfoot- | brlcad-7.8.0.exe is the binary installer, you can make your own if you want |
| 22:32.18 | smallfoot- | nsis.zip is the artwork, icons, brlcad.nsi install script, etc |
| 22:33.31 | smallfoot- | you extract the nsis.zip file into brl-cad\nsis\, so there is an nsis directory in the same place as the bin, lib, includes, samples, doc directories |
| 22:35.13 | smallfoot- | i've tested it some, and it seems work good on my computer, but please read the brl-cad.nsi file so you can see what it does, and preferably run it on a computer where you have backup of stuff, cuz i dont wanna be the dumbass noob who wrecked it all for any of you lol |
| 22:36.15 | smallfoot- | this is my first time i touched NSIS |
| 22:47.01 | brlcad | smallfoot-: cool! |
| 22:47.49 | smallfoot- | works good? |
| 22:47.51 | smallfoot- | nice :) |
| 22:48.30 | smallfoot- | you managed to compile the .nsi into a setup? use the latest version of NSIS 2.25 |
| 22:50.08 | brlcad | still looking through the files |
| 22:51.51 | smallfoot- | okie |
| 22:53.08 | smallfoot- | try uninstall too |
| 22:53.28 | smallfoot- | the uninstaller uses some scary RMDir /r (recursive) |
| 22:53.34 | smallfoot- | not me |
| 22:53.41 | brlcad | i know it wasn't you :) |
| 22:53.43 | smallfoot- | hehe |
| 22:53.51 | brlcad | month and a half ago |
| 23:14.57 | brlcad | ~smallfoot-++ |
| 23:15.02 | brlcad | that is f'ing sweet |
| 23:15.12 | smallfoot- | thanks :) |
| 23:15.13 | smallfoot- | cool |
| 23:15.16 | brlcad | way cool |
| 23:15.18 | smallfoot- | so its in CVS yet? :) |
| 23:15.55 | smallfoot- | let some other developer check it out too, so that we can be sure it works as intended |
| 23:19.24 | brlcad | there's some minor little details to clean up like files names and things that have changed since 7.8 but it's looking great |
| 23:19.32 | brlcad | and is just *way* nicer than the installshield |
| 23:20.29 | smallfoot- | ya, it is |
| 23:20.31 | smallfoot- | i hate installshield |
| 23:20.42 | smallfoot- | installshield put stuff in Windows\ too |
| 23:21.20 | smallfoot- | also, file size reduces by a third of what it was |
| 23:21.33 | brlcad | if you don't mind your real name getting listed and posted throughout the net, I'd like to credit you properly |
| 23:21.40 | smallfoot- | okie |
| 23:21.49 | smallfoot- | first and last name? |
| 23:21.55 | brlcad | whatever you'd like it to say |
| 23:21.57 | smallfoot- | okie |
| 23:22.29 | smallfoot- | but dont write smallfoot :D |
| 23:22.34 | brlcad | haha |
| 23:22.42 | brlcad | only in the cvs commit messages :) |
| 23:22.49 | smallfoot- | no, not smallfoot lol |
| 23:22.59 | brlcad | else can't backtrack :) |
| 23:23.13 | smallfoot- | whats that? |
| 23:23.51 | brlcad | someone reviewing the history |
| 23:23.57 | smallfoot- | oh |
| 23:24.04 | smallfoot- | cant you just write brlcad or jonathan? |
| 23:24.12 | smallfoot- | or "anonymous" or something |
| 23:24.31 | brlcad | i'll write whatever you want, i'm referring to two different things |
| 23:24.38 | smallfoot- | oh |
| 23:24.46 | smallfoot- | ya, on the backtrack |
| 23:24.53 | brlcad | one is the credit and news items that will get distributed .. that'd be your real name |
| 23:24.57 | smallfoot- | ya |
| 23:25.21 | brlcad | the other is the cvs commit message that is only read by other devs, where I'd ideally list both at least once |
| 23:25.28 | brlcad | so we have a tie to whom it is |
| 23:25.31 | smallfoot- | oh |
| 23:25.39 | smallfoot- | but people will laugh at me if it says smallfoot :( |
| 23:25.45 | smallfoot- | i rather it not say smallfoot lol |
| 23:25.53 | brlcad | nah, they wouldn't |
| 23:25.56 | brlcad | but that's find |
| 23:25.56 | smallfoot- | ok |
| 23:26.02 | brlcad | i'll just put "the foot guy" |
| 23:26.05 | smallfoot- | lol |
| 23:26.12 | smallfoot- | cant it be "anonymous" or "jonathan" ? |
| 23:26.34 | smallfoot- | if not, then put whatever you want, it really dont matter that much lol |
| 23:26.45 | brlcad | heh, it could be .. yeah, it just doesn't matter |
| 23:26.53 | brlcad | it's only read by other devs reviewing history |
| 23:27.00 | smallfoot- | okie |
| 23:27.06 | brlcad | but that's fine, i'll put jonathan |
| 23:27.10 | smallfoot- | okie, cool |
| 23:27.12 | smallfoot- | thanks, that be great |
| 23:27.15 | brlcad | but more important is what to put for the news |
| 23:27.19 | smallfoot- | yeah |
| 23:28.12 | smallfoot- | where will my name show? website? |
| 23:28.16 | smallfoot- | i gonna show my bro and brag :D |
| 23:29.17 | IriX64 | not too shabby, it works with X-Win32 too ``Erik :) |
| 23:29.38 | IriX64 | lemme try a shot |
| 23:29.39 | brlcad | smallfoot-: it'll show up all over the place |
| 23:29.53 | brlcad | it'll be forever in brl-cad's sources too |
| 23:29.55 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/misc/nsis/ (6 files): initial import of a superb nsis installer for BRL-CAD, provided by jonathan |
| 23:30.10 | smallfoot- | cool :d |
| 23:30.25 | brlcad | when full binary distributions are put together, announcements are sent out to various websites and news channels |
| 23:30.41 | brlcad | it ends up getting replicated several dozens of times over |
| 23:31.24 | brlcad | aside from just being permanently credited in brl-cad's history and authorship files |
| 23:32.06 | IriX64 | font is huge, but it works |
| 23:32.08 | smallfoot- | cool |
| 23:32.10 | smallfoot- | lol |
| 23:32.11 | brlcad | so, going to tell your name? |
| 23:32.14 | smallfoot- | i did |
| 23:32.16 | smallfoot- | in notice |
| 23:32.23 | brlcad | ahh |
| 23:32.25 | smallfoot- | just did again |
| 23:32.25 | smallfoot- | saw? |
| 23:32.25 | brlcad | didn't notice :) |
| 23:32.29 | brlcad | yes |
| 23:32.30 | brlcad | got it |
| 23:32.31 | smallfoot- | okie, good |
| 23:32.36 | smallfoot- | you didnt notice the /notice lol |
| 23:33.06 | brlcad | i think you're maybe the second person in about three years to use notice |
| 23:33.44 | smallfoot- | oh |
| 23:33.54 | smallfoot- | ya, it actually isnt used very much |
| 23:34.06 | smallfoot- | my friend occasionally notice floods me to get my attention though |
| 23:36.50 | brlcad | heh |
| 23:37.04 | IriX64 | http://irix64.spaces.live.com/photos/brl-cad <---- with X-win32 :) |
| 23:37.23 | smallfoot- | X-Win32 = proprietary software |
| 23:37.25 | smallfoot- | aeeeeeh |
| 23:37.41 | IriX64 | just testing, should work with any xserver |
| 23:37.49 | IriX64 | works with xming too |
| 23:37.55 | smallfoot- | oh |
| 23:38.30 | IriX64 | unix rides the windows wave & word to your mother ;) |
| 23:39.09 | smallfoot- | lol |
| 23:39.16 | IriX64 | heh |
| 23:41.45 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/ (AUTHORS NEWS): credit Jonathan Bonomo for the outstanding new BRL-CAD installer for Windows using NSIS. a huge improvement over the installshield horror, thanks! |
| 23:41.47 | brlcad | there will be a write-up with better detail when the next windows binary is posted |
| 23:44.20 | smallfoot- | okie |
| 23:45.44 | IriX64 | http://www.pastebin.ca/440358 <---- heh gave it something to do, i'll shut up again :) |
| 23:45.59 | *** join/#brlcad SWPadnos_ (n=Me@dsl245.esjtvtli.sover.net) | |
| 23:46.41 | brlcad | that you did |
| 23:46.50 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/doc/README.Windows: special thanks to bonomo for the new windows installer |
| 23:46.59 | smallfoot- | Size: 9.96107e+07mm -eek- |
| 23:47.31 | IriX64 | :) |
| 23:48.37 | brlcad | IriX64: you should try compiling with CFLAGS=-DBSD .. see if that makes the "bu_nice_set() SysV error: wanted nice 10! check bias=0" error go away |
| 23:48.47 | brlcad | if it does, I can put in a fix |
| 23:48.56 | brlcad | if it fails to compile, I can put in a fix |
| 23:49.12 | IriX64 | ty ill try it |
| 23:49.26 | IriX64 | may take a while tho :) |
| 23:51.13 | *** join/#brlcad SWPadnos_ (n=Me@dsl245.esjtvtli.sover.net) | |
| 23:55.38 | brlcad | IriX64: never mind, I have a fix already |
| 23:55.45 | brlcad | just getting rid of that old sysv code |
| 23:55.57 | IriX64 | was just configuring, you sure? |
| 23:56.07 | IriX64 | ok then |
| 23:56.16 | brlcad | yeah, thanks though |
| 23:56.20 | IriX64 | sure |
| 23:56.25 | brlcad | this should make that warning go away |
| 23:56.32 | IriX64 | good |
| 23:56.52 | IriX64 | still works though it seems benign here |
| 23:59.25 | CIA-14 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/libbu/parallel.c: restructure bu_nice_set() so we don't get an error (seen at least under cygwin/mingw) about 'SysV error: wanted nice 10! check bias=0' .. getting rid of the obsoleted sysv code that used nice() to try to set a value. |
| 23:59.43 | brlcad | it is benign |
| 23:59.45 | brlcad | just annoying |
