IRC log for #brlcad on 20070415

00:00.22 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/configure.ac: check for setpriority for src/libbu/parallel.c in bu_nice_set()
00:38.51 IriX64 http://irix64.spaces.live.com/photos/brl-cad <--- moonlight shot rendered on xwin32 :)
00:40.08 IriX64 heh you do it i'm busy with 7.10 ;)
00:40.23 brlcad i just might :P
00:40.39 IriX64 give me a copy when you get it done :)
00:44.23 IriX64 haha xwin32 takes screen shots too, bonus, i might buy that thing
00:49.51 ``Erik or a big sphere
00:51.34 IriX64 yellow ;)
00:53.00 IriX64 ``Erik look for ],, in configure.ac (the x11 link functionality part i think)
00:53.31 ``Erik um, why?
00:54.03 IriX64 my x11 support isnt there and don't tell me i don't have x11 :)
00:55.47 ``Erik um, that's testing for link ability, after the header has been found
00:56.02 ``Erik check your config.log for why it's unable to check the X libs
00:56.19 IriX64 ok ty
00:57.11 IriX64 thought acchecklib checked the libs
00:58.29 IriX64 the jove thing has already been reported i take it?
01:02.34 brlcad yes
01:02.53 brlcad IriX64: this would be a great time to learn CVS and work from the latest CVS sources
01:03.04 brlcad so that changes can be immediately applied and retested
01:03.29 brlcad didn't matter before relase, but now it would help
01:04.36 IriX64 ill think about it had a horrible experience with cvs don't want it repeated (guy hacked his way in using my ip and deleted most of the project, I swore off cvs after that)
01:06.35 brlcad ehm, that would only be if you were running a cvs server
01:06.57 brlcad otherwise, you're going to be looking at problems that have already been fixed again
01:10.23 ``Erik um, using your ip? O.o like a MiM attack, or? o.O (and since you'll only have read access to the repo, like everyone else in the world does, there's no risk, right?)
01:10.33 IriX64 ok ill take the sourcefoge tutorial and set up a client
01:13.24 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/misc/nsis/Makefile.am: initial makefile template for nsis files, add files to the dist
01:14.10 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/ (configure.ac misc/Makefile.am): generate nsis Makefile, traverse into it
01:14.19 brlcad the new nsis installer is pretty sweet
01:14.30 brlcad gonna have to one-up it on os x
01:17.45 ``Erik nsis as in nullsoft?
01:22.54 joevalleyfield only way to one up it is to make bloody aqua work ;)
01:23.00 IriX64 well rsync seems to be working, will that do?
01:24.41 joevalleyfield irix, rsync for what?
01:24.56 IriX64 getting the latest brlcad sources
01:25.10 IriX64 sourceforge supports it
01:25.27 joevalleyfield let me go read about that
01:25.41 IriX64 all right
01:25.44 IriX64 :)
01:26.03 joevalleyfield actually, could you give me a link?
01:27.02 joevalleyfield wow
01:27.06 joevalleyfield that's magical
01:27.48 joevalleyfield for a non-committer who is on irc here, that is probably ideal
01:28.35 IriX64 http://sourceforge.net/docs/E04/en/#viewcvs
01:28.48 IriX64 yeah
01:31.23 IriX64 http://www.pastebin.ca/440464 <---- bottom of the paste what the farkle is yes/lib :)
01:31.51 IriX64 just noticed it don't know where it first happened
01:33.55 IriX64 rsync needs a progress indicator :)
01:34.42 joevalleyfield --progress ?
01:34.55 IriX64 too late :)
01:39.09 ``Erik why do you need a progess indictor? go do, y'know, something else... *shrug*
01:40.00 IriX64 heh im playing with the source tarball does that qualify as something :)
01:40.40 IriX64 that yes lib is probably my fault mea culpa
01:45.03 IriX64 what platform has 7.10.0 successfully been built on?
01:46.15 brlcad wow, didn't know there was rsync access added myself
01:46.36 joevalleyfield brlcad, you could use that to back the thing up
01:48.00 brlcad i do for the cvsroot
01:48.07 brlcad just didn't know there was user-level
01:48.43 brlcad or is it the root he's syncing out.. heh
01:49.23 IriX64 sourceforge says you can *extract that way
01:52.02 joevalleyfield it is whole lot easier to strip X out this time than it was a year and a half ago
01:55.38 IriX64 somebody already did it for you, it doesn't build :P
01:58.23 IriX64 found X, it was hiding behind W ;)
02:11.11 joevalleyfield irix, what platform are you on?
02:11.40 IriX64 no secret cygwin on windows xp+
02:11.50 joevalleyfield ok
02:11.57 IriX64 err pro not +
02:13.24 IriX64 amd model 3800+ cpu
02:14.33 IriX64 does everything i want it to shrug
02:16.55 joevalleyfield i've never built on cygwin
02:17.29 IriX64 http://irix64.spaces.live.com/photos/brlcad pix no 72 some of the things its currently doing
02:18.24 IriX64 i've probably never built on what your running:)
02:18.39 joevalleyfield :)
02:18.44 joevalleyfield mac
02:18.53 IriX64 as i said :)
02:20.29 IriX64 runs irssi too but i prefer to just click on a url in the channel window and auto go there
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02:34.41 IriX64 rsync pulling source now neat
02:34.54 IriX64 might stay up tonight :)
02:48.55 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/README: condense the commercial support information, but credit SURVICE Engineering accordingly instead of the focus on SURVIAC
02:51.35 IriX64 the blog has a cygwin build of 7.8.4 running on the windows desktop, xwin32 is pretty good... seamless xwindows
03:02.06 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/doc/html/manuals/Obtain.html: stray reference to the old address though it doesn't meantion the old agreement. replace with the same info from README
03:21.40 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/liboptical/ (photonmap.c sh_plastic.c): removed the spaced out pointer dereference format inconsistencies
03:25.23 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/liboptical/ (photonmap.c sh_plastic.c): ws
03:39.55 deltazap IriX64: irssi is the only irc client, really
03:40.09 deltazap it's the only one worth talking about ;)
03:40.16 IriX64 how bout bitchX ;)
03:41.16 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/liboptical/photonmap.c: use libbu memory management.. there's a bug in here somewhere where a right tree node becomes non-null invalid. also seems to be a massive amount of leakage going on .. stuff not getting free'd..
03:42.18 IriX64 deltazap: practice what you preach :P
03:44.30 deltazap 4i4r7s7s5i 8i8s 9t3h3e 10b11e11s12t 2c2l6i6e4n4t 7h5a5n8d8s 9d3o3w10n 11:11P
03:45.00 IriX64 thats kick material :)
03:45.20 bjorkBSD whoa i just saw colors!
03:45.21 deltazap haha, but it's one line :P
03:46.21 deltazap if i had been spamming figlet or cowsay, then it would be controversial
03:46.53 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/liboptical/photonmap.c: missed a realloc, use calloc where we need it be zero
03:48.14 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/BUGS: crashes during photonmap raytrace of m35 where right node is invalid
03:48.54 brlcad ~colortest
03:48.55 ibot 2c3o4l5o6r7t8e9s10t
03:49.28 deltazap haha
03:50.13 deltazap brlcad: when ever you need testing on your installer for osx, i'm there ;)
03:50.21 brlcad :)
03:50.41 deltazap and for ruby. i love me some ruby
03:50.52 brlcad I want to get it to just a drag and drop that has just the "unified environment" new interface
03:51.10 brlcad else a folder that has mged, archer, and a shell in the meantime
03:51.34 brlcad instead of the installer that it uses now
03:51.39 deltazap yeah, i don't thin kthat will work if you normally need admin access in order to install into /usr
03:52.07 brlcad yeah, it wouldn't install into /usr as a drag n' drop
03:53.39 brlcad IriX64: for what it's worth, you're pulling the entire history of BRL-CAD
03:53.47 brlcad not just a checkout that will compile
03:53.57 brlcad you'll still have to pull a "checkout" from what you're downloading
03:54.40 IriX64 can't work from that dir?
03:54.56 brlcad cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@brlcad.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/brlcad login
03:55.00 brlcad cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@brlcad.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/brlcad checkout -P brlcad
03:55.05 IriX64 next rsync run i should be able to pull just new/changed files
03:55.10 brlcad those two will get you a current checkout
03:55.31 brlcad rsync is pulling the *entire* source history -- the cvs root, not a cvs checkout
03:55.48 IriX64 you keep all that there?
03:56.06 IriX64 ill wait and see what ive got
03:56.17 brlcad you could still use what you get
03:56.40 brlcad you're just getting about 20 times more data than you need or will want
03:56.48 IriX64 ty
03:56.58 brlcad i.e. you're downloading every version of BRL-CAD that has ever existed
03:57.31 brlcad all versions in each file, not neatly sorted out -- in CVS/RCS format, not in a compilable format
03:57.44 IriX64 well im a history buff :)
03:58.10 deltazap IriX64: ok, ready?
03:58.21 IriX64 for?
03:58.58 deltazap On feb 20, 2003, what version of brlcad was available and what state was it in. Please respond in a 5 paragraph format.
03:59.02 deltazap :O
03:59.03 deltazap :P
03:59.05 brlcad just note that it won't be anything that you'll be able to compile directly, you'll still have to do a checkout -- not hard either, just cvs -d path_to_what_you_rsync checkout -P brlcad
03:59.22 IriX64 ty
03:59.30 IriX64 trying cvs
03:59.38 brlcad still probably easier to use the two cvs commands above :)
04:01.22 IriX64 cvs password?
04:01.29 brlcad o password
04:01.31 brlcad *no
04:01.50 brlcad just hit enter
04:04.09 IriX64 got it but ill never remebr those commands :)
04:04.27 IriX64 ill stop rsync
04:05.46 IriX64 my fav just went by...havoc.asc
04:05.50 IriX64 :)
04:06.19 brlcad ibot: cadcvs is <reply>To obtain BRL-CAD from anonymous CVS: cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@brlcad.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/brlcad login && cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@brlcad.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/brlcad checkout -P brlcad
04:06.21 ibot okay, brlcad
04:06.26 brlcad ~cadcvs
04:06.28 ibot To obtain BRL-CAD from anonymous CVS: cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@brlcad.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/brlcad login && cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@brlcad.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/brlcad checkout -P brlcad
04:07.29 IriX64 ty filed
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04:23.07 IriX64 http://www.pastebin.ca/440612 < -- 7.10.0 sourcetarball at work :)
04:24.47 IriX64 too many hoops to go thru to build it again :)
04:26.31 IriX64 so next checkout with the same switches will get me just the changed files?
04:28.23 IriX64 how do you want me to proceed? start from autogen.sh or just configure it?
04:48.40 IriX64 heh that was easy, no configure :) so ill autogen
04:49.02 IriX64 now ill shut up lessn i have something to say.
05:41.55 brlcad you don't need to checkout again, you can actually stay directly in sync with the latest
05:42.07 brlcad just run "cvs update" in the brlcad directory that you checked out
05:43.48 brlcad it'll update to the latest source every time you update, barring any conflicts that occur from an edit you might make
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13:16.29 smallfoot- back
13:17.26 brlcad toes
13:18.43 smallfoot- whats up?
13:19.37 smallfoot- from Wikipedia "The user interface is rather anachronistic, more typical of the 80's than the beginning of 21st century. It is hardly usable for an occasional user."
13:22.08 smallfoot- i wish there was some CAD that was rediculously simple
13:22.13 smallfoot- and rediculously easy to use
13:22.20 smallfoot- so i could use it without RTFM
13:22.49 docelic smallfoot-: well, we can save you the time by bringing you back to reallity really fast.
13:22.54 docelic There is no such CAD ;-)
13:24.43 smallfoot- hehe
13:29.16 clock_ smallfoot-: you can learn using BRL-CAD faster than what would take you to earn money for buying a commercial CAD licence
13:35.34 smallfoot- license???
13:47.31 docelic Hey folks how come the binary releases are behind the source code on sf.net page? You need help with building on various platforms ?
13:48.10 brlcad docelic: an understatement
13:48.16 brlcad but yes
13:49.32 smallfoot- oh
13:49.44 smallfoot- doesnt sourceforge have some compile farm?
13:50.22 docelic yes, but not automated afaik
13:50.37 brlcad actually, they shut the compile farm down
13:51.06 brlcad getting the compilations themselves isn't generally too bad for any given platform
13:53.05 brlcad moreso the number of platforms and packaging up the builds for some of those systems is often a manual process
13:53.19 brlcad there are some scripts to automate the builds packagings, but they're incomplete
13:53.25 brlcad sh/make_*.sh
13:53.39 brlcad tied to the main Makefile so that there are build targets
13:54.19 brlcad as well as polish like consistently building to /usr/brlcad/rel-#.#.# with symlinks in /usr/brlcad haven't been scripted yet either
13:55.43 smallfoot- http://archimedes.incubadora.fapesp.br/portal/screenshots-2/fileMenu.gif/image_view_fullscreen oh this looks nice
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15:24.01 brlcad woot, have almost made vers.sh entirely obsolete
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16:28.51 thomasgruebler hallo!
16:30.11 thomasgruebler ich hab brlcad auf debian installiert. jedoch weis ich nicht wie ich es ausführen soll. es gibt da einen ordner wo sehr viele ausführbare dateien von brlcad drinnen sind,aber alle durchzuprobieren würde ewig dauern und keine der ausprobierten startete eine gui
16:31.17 bjorkBSD auf englisch bitte: http://google.com/translate_t
16:31.40 thomasgruebler hello
16:31.46 bjorkBSD <PROTECTED>
16:31.47 thomasgruebler i hav installed brlcad on debian.
16:31.55 thomasgruebler but i don't know how to start it
16:31.59 bjorkBSD mged
16:33.01 bjorkBSD that's far shorter in english than it is in german.
16:33.01 bjorkBSD very curious.
16:35.47 thomasgruebler i go to reinstall it.
16:36.00 thomasgruebler the newer version
16:39.45 thomasgruebler so
16:39.51 thomasgruebler now i have the newest version
16:39.56 thomasgruebler but i cannot start it
16:40.05 thomasgruebler mged is not possible
16:40.42 bjorkBSD why not?
16:40.47 bjorkBSD it's how i've always started it...
16:41.00 thomasgruebler command not found
16:41.05 bjorkBSD are you using tcsh?
16:41.17 thomasgruebler bash
16:41.25 bjorkBSD then it should be in your path.
16:41.53 bjorkBSD or maybe not ...
16:41.55 thomasgruebler where is the location of it?
16:41.58 deltazap only if he's added it to his path, or if the debian package adds it
16:41.59 bjorkBSD mine's in /urs/brlcad
16:42.02 deltazap /usr/brlcad/bin
16:42.13 bjorkBSD */usr
16:42.52 thomasgruebler now it's working
16:42.53 thomasgruebler thanks
16:43.22 thomasgruebler it seems more complicate than autocad
16:44.38 thomasgruebler qhen i want to create an elypsoidor soit writes: no database opened.
16:44.43 bjorkBSD it's not a cad program.
16:44.48 bjorkBSD as in, 2d-cad
16:44.52 bjorkBSD it's a 3d cad program.
16:44.58 bjorkBSD cad/cae
16:45.05 thomasgruebler thomasgruebler@SiduxG:~/install$ /usr/brlcad/bin/mgedInitializing and backgrounding, please wait...libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x4b
16:45.17 thomasgruebler is written when i start it from bash
16:45.32 thomasgruebler i wanted an 3d cad programm
16:45.39 bjorkBSD you found it :)
16:45.50 bjorkBSD using it is a different matter.
16:46.00 thomasgruebler the first in Linux non cost.
16:46.05 bjorkBSD there're others.
16:46.15 thomasgruebler which?
16:46.22 bjorkBSD uhhh i forget.
16:46.27 thomasgruebler :)
16:46.28 bjorkBSD i think it starts with a b.
16:46.43 bjorkBSD blender.
16:46.45 bjorkBSD that's right.
16:47.06 thomasgruebler i know this.
16:47.19 thomasgruebler but it cannot draw lines of spezial lenght
16:47.30 bjorkBSD i bet it's a user error.
16:47.47 thomasgruebler no it's real.
16:47.51 docelic ;-)
16:47.55 bjorkBSD <PROTECTED>
16:48.03 thomasgruebler there are tweaks to do it but it's mainly an animation programm
16:48.19 thomasgruebler how can i load an database in mged?
16:49.15 bjorkBSD one day i promise i'll write a decent intro tutorial
16:49.21 bjorkBSD /usr/brlcad/share/brlcad/7.8.2/html/manuals
16:50.38 thomasgruebler ok a database is a file
16:51.06 bjorkBSD think of brlcad as you'd think of say, emacs.
16:51.13 bjorkBSD lots of really interesting ideas expressed :)
16:51.26 thomasgruebler now i wanted to make an prisma but i killed it
16:51.56 thomasgruebler i need something like autocad, proengineer. free for Linux
16:52.17 deltazap this is the closest thing to pro/e for free
16:54.14 bjorkBSD thomasgruebler, you can make your own pro/e :)
16:54.20 bjorkBSD with brlcad!
16:54.33 thomasgruebler how?
16:55.39 bjorkBSD well the sources are open.
16:55.50 bjorkBSD it's just a matter of beating into a pro/e shape.
16:55.55 bjorkBSD *it
16:56.02 bjorkBSD got a hammer? :D
16:56.37 thomasgruebler :)
16:57.07 thomasgruebler i know how to programm a microcontroller in C but not how to programm brlcad. and without any kde or gtk lib
16:57.49 docelic For a man who know how to programm a microcontroller in C. brlcad cannot be a problem!
16:58.17 bjorkBSD heheheh
16:58.29 bjorkBSD think of brlcad as a microcontroller ;)
16:58.32 thomasgruebler i've never programme somthing for pc. but i want to do
16:58.54 thomasgruebler for displaying data sent from the mikrocontroller
16:58.56 bjorkBSD gut. macht du!
17:00.17 thomasgruebler jetzt bemüh ich mich die ganze zeit umsonst englisch zu sprechen :)
17:02.36 bjorkBSD <PROTECTED>
17:03.39 bjorkBSD aber ich spreche nicht Deutsches.
17:04.28 thomasgruebler so it's not your mother language
17:04.37 bjorkBSD ich hatte ein schone deutsche madchen vor jahren.
17:04.39 bjorkBSD nein.
17:05.24 bjorkBSD no habla.
17:05.40 thomasgruebler :)
17:06.22 bjorkBSD sie war wunderbar
17:06.56 bjorkBSD und ich var ein schwein 8-|
17:07.00 thomasgruebler wie alt bist du?
17:07.04 thomasgruebler warst du da?
17:07.42 bjorkBSD 29 ... and a half :)
17:08.10 bjorkBSD Texas.
17:08.35 thomasgruebler how can i stop brlcad to turn my prisma? it turnsaround when i pressed ctrl+Z
17:09.29 thomasgruebler help
17:10.08 bjorkBSD hilfe :)
17:10.28 bjorkBSD when in doubt, turn it off and turn it back on ;-)
17:10.29 thomasgruebler bitte hild mir
17:11.10 thomasgruebler how???
17:14.44 bjorkBSD hmm. i oughta get version 7.10
17:14.53 bjorkBSD do you have 7.8.2 or the newest one?
17:15.15 thomasgruebler the newest deb from sf
17:15.21 bjorkBSD ah
17:15.24 thomasgruebler i killed the application
17:15.41 bjorkBSD there's no getting around reading the manual on this one, thomasgruebler.
17:16.15 thomasgruebler i see
17:16.42 thomasgruebler but from first view it looks good so i like it
17:17.29 deltazap take your time, read through intro to mged
17:17.44 deltazap huh
17:18.04 bjorkBSD EOF, deltazap.
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17:18.28 deltazap i thought you could never run out of internet :P
17:19.09 bjorkBSD hehe
17:19.50 thomasgruebler i killed firefox somehow
17:19.59 thomasgruebler i don't know how
17:20.04 thomasgruebler it neverhappened
17:20.08 thomasgruebler bye.
17:20.19 bjorkBSD EOF thomasgruebler.
17:20.33 deltazap apt-get install irssi
17:20.37 deltazap oh darn he left
17:20.39 bjorkBSD eek!
17:20.45 bjorkBSD pkg_add -r xchat2
17:21.40 bjorkBSD i need to deep clean my german.
17:21.50 bjorkBSD para la allemande mamacitas
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18:34.03 IriX64 be vewy vewy quiet, we're hunting tk files :)
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18:36.39 zapp whoops, kinda...uh...killed irssi there for a bit
18:57.02 IriX64 anybody wanna tacle a build related issue?
18:57.07 IriX64 tackle too
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19:51.02 bjorkBSD BRL-CAD Release 7.10.0, Build 20070415
19:51.02 bjorkBSD Elapsed compilation time: 59 minutes, 12 seconds
19:51.20 docelic which plataform ?
19:51.36 bjorkBSD my computer.
19:51.42 bjorkBSD <PROTECTED>
19:52.04 bjorkBSD it's a freebsd x86
19:52.32 IriX64 pretty quick if it only took an hour
19:52.41 bjorkBSD CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.20GHz (2193.53-MHz 686-class CPU)
19:52.44 bjorkBSD it's a celeron.
19:54.49 IriX64 finally it found tk8.4
19:54.54 IriX64 and tcl
20:02.36 IriX64 bjorkBSD did you use the supplied tcl/tk libs?
21:01.44 bjorkBSD IriX64, it was 8.5 wasn't it?
21:01.47 bjorkBSD i believe i did.
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21:17.37 IriX64 yes thank
21:18.10 IriX64 for me 8.5 is fraught with peril :)
21:19.03 IriX64 trying with tcl84 :)
21:19.13 IriX64 looking very good so far
21:20.05 IriX64 still timing out louipc?
21:21.24 louipc_ yeah I think I'll have to call my ISP and bitch
21:21.40 IriX64 sure its not the server?
21:21.48 louipc I'm back in action though with a fresh install and a new hard-disk
21:22.03 IriX64 hah back from the wars eh?
21:22.12 louipc yeap because the little light on my modem indicates that the network is down on the isp end
21:22.31 louipc and I can't access the internet in any way when it happens
21:22.55 IriX64 call em tear a strip off after all you're the customer :)
21:24.16 IriX64 -ltcl84 gotta love it :)
21:25.16 IriX64 static link but what the heck, whatever works :)
21:26.03 louipc if brlcad is the only thing you use it for, sure
21:26.44 IriX64 huh its a system lib, quite capable of non static linking
21:27.10 IriX64 i mean brlcad isd linking its stuff statically
21:30.34 *** join/#brlcad louipc (n=louipc@bas8-toronto63-1088754332.dsl.bell.ca)
21:33.14 IriX64 lets try this map thing, somebody throw out a function i should know nothing about (don't be a smartypants and say main:))
21:41.55 IriX64 http://www.pastebin.ca/441828 <=== map
21:42.47 bjorkBSD should i install tcl8.5 independently?
21:50.25 IriX64 bjorkBSD if that's aimed at me, I know nothing about fbsd so can't comment
21:56.55 louipc I'd say it's a good idea to have it independently
21:59.52 bjorkBSD okay.
23:02.07 brlcad FAQ Tip of the Day: pressing x, y, z, X, Y, Z in the graphics window will send the model spinning.. you press 0 to stop the spin
23:15.11 IriX64 model? or drawing?
23:18.37 bjorkBSD thingamagic
23:21.36 IriX64 magically bjorkBSD starts spinning :)
23:21.54 IriX64 i pressed the appropriate keys :)

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