IRC log for #brlcad on 20070417

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00:21.00 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/ (include/pkg.h src/libpkg/.cvsignore src/libpkg/Makefile.am): convert version global to a function, remove need for vers.sh script
00:25.58 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/libpkg/tpkg.c: report the version number as part of the usage
00:26.46 IriX64 http://irix64.spaces.live.com/photos/winbrlcad <----- i've abandonded the other side of the house (for now:))
00:30.54 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/libsysv/ (.cvsignore Makefile.am vers_win.c): remove the unused version global
00:32.13 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/libcursor/Makefile.am: remove the unused version global
00:39.22 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/libtclcad/ (.cvsignore Makefile.am): remove the unused version global
00:41.26 IriX64 still works with X-server, opens a frame buffer automagically
00:45.57 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/libtermio/Makefile.am: remove the unused version global
00:47.27 IriX64 huh. joevalleyfield i had activestate tcl/tk installed on the windows side could that be what it wants?
00:50.36 IriX64 never mind uninstalled it still works here
00:50.41 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/libwdb/ (.cvsignore Makefile.am vers_win.c): remove the unused version global
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01:06.17 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/mged/ (.cvsignore Makefile.am ged.c vers_win.c): convert over from using vers.sh and the global to using the new brlcad_version() interface to extract the version information
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01:09.22 IriX64 winbrlcad albumn shows just a little of windows archer
01:30.55 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/nirt/ (.cvsignore Makefile.am nirt.c vers_win.c): convert over from using vers.sh and the global to using the new brlcad_version() interface to extract the version information
01:36.12 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/remrt/ (.cvsignore Makefile.am remrt.c): convert over from using vers.sh and the global to using the new brlcad_version() interface to extract the version information
01:43.10 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/rttherm/ (Makefile.am viewtherm.c): convert over from using vers.sh and the global to using the new brlcad_version() interface to extract the version information
01:46.07 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/util/Makefile.am: remove unused version stuff
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02:34.18 louipc hmm!
02:49.34 IriX64 in vmware, but still it's nice to see an old friend :)
03:02.48 IriX64 blog/photos/stuff <--- os/2 working
03:24.28 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/rt/ (21 files): redo the client-side version reporting to use the new brlcad_version() interface, utilizing a per-binary title as needed, instead of the former vers.sh setup.
03:28.44 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/rttherm/viewtherm.c: need to specify a title
03:29.55 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/rttherm/viewtherm.c: consolidate title
04:09.10 deltazap wheeee, crashin mged all night
04:10.44 deltazap so, scaling a matrix on a region is a dangerous thing, as i have found out
04:13.15 louipc dangerous?
04:13.39 deltazap crashes mged if you rotate it after scaling one axis
04:13.48 louipc erk
04:14.02 deltazap i'm hoping it was a 7.6.6 bug
04:14.43 louipc that's what you're using?
04:15.18 deltazap haven't been able to get any other build working on mac :-[
04:15.28 louipc ah dang
04:16.39 bjorkBSD deltazap, mac OS what?
04:16.55 bjorkBSD i think brl-cad's developed on macs.
04:17.21 louipc odd that that's the latest binary
04:17.49 deltazap bjorkBSD: 10.4.9, the latest
04:18.11 bjorkBSD and it's not working?
04:19.04 deltazap nope
04:20.28 brlcad os x is one of the most frequently tested, one of many actually
04:20.44 brlcad and that operation certainly should work
04:21.07 brlcad only case where a matrix edit over a region is known to cause a problem is when something in the region is invalid
04:21.32 brlcad still shouldn't crash thought.. that's report-worthy regardless
04:21.32 deltazap yeah, i don't know what i'm doing that's causing it to crash
04:21.50 brlcad you should have stack trace files
04:21.57 brlcad in your logs
04:24.06 deltazap which log?
04:24.34 brlcad ~/Library/Logs
04:29.05 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/misc/.cvsignore: ignore brlcad-config
04:29.11 deltazap hmm, it's not showing up in the logs
04:29.38 deltazap and it doesn't show up when i crash it. i'll take another look at it tomorrow
04:30.14 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/misc/brlcad-config.in: do need to also set exec_prefix after all -- just set to same for now
04:40.25 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/ (libpkg/vers_win.c libtclcad/vers_win.c): windows version files no longer needed/used
04:44.32 IriX64 i wonder how hard it would be to convert on the fly? I mean mged has the file name anyway, call ie asc2g close the input file and open the new g file
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12:03.09 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/include/conf/ (COUNT DATE HOST PATH USER): don't store the files that change in CVS
12:05.13 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/include/conf/.cvsignore: ignore the generated configuration files
12:17.53 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/libfft/Makefile.am: just use CLEANFILES
12:20.17 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/include/conf/Makefile.am: on second thought, try to prevent a rebuild/relink every pass through .. only update the count after a clean. every pass of make would be ideal, but only we can figure out a way to avoid the dependency check relinkage
12:25.41 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/libpkg/vers.c: add libpkg's pkg_version() source file
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12:38.43 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * 10brlcad/include/conf/ (make.vbs Makefile.am): update version information on MS Windows
13:03.25 brlcad d_rossberg: wow, that was quick.. :) I was just getting to the Windows build files
13:04.31 brlcad i know i broke the build on windows, I was/am setting up my tools now to test/fix
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13:17.59 d_rossberg brlcad: no problem, at the moment i'm looking for a way to have a prebuild step in MSVC (postbuild is easy)
13:32.06 joevalleyfield it's slow as hell, but it's up in aqua/classic mode again!
14:03.35 brlcad cool!
14:22.04 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * 10brlcad/include/conf/make.vbs: host, date, user and path need to e set between quotes
14:33.41 deltazap joevalleyfield: what's that?
14:35.24 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * 10brlcad/misc/win32-msvc/ (5 files in 2 dirs):
14:35.24 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: aPrep is a MSVC project for preprocessing
14:35.24 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: e.g. updating version information
14:57.51 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/include/bu.h: change data to char and add a "flags" field to the bu image struct
15:04.23 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * 10brlcad/ (7 files in 6 dirs): remove old version number handling for MSVC
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15:21.08 d_rossberg brlcad: src/librt/tcl.c needs BRLCAD_VERSION which is not defined in brlcad_version.h yet; do you want me to define it or do you want to change tcl.c?
15:23.58 ``Erik wow, brlcad broke stuff out the wazoo with that version stuff
15:26.00 brlcad he did?
15:27.09 ``Erik yeah, I'm looking into it now... something with cppflgs I think
15:29.29 ``Erik ah, got it
16:05.15 IriX64 hah it built, now to drop it into the windows side of the house
16:06.19 IriX64 you'll never see an error report from me again, well unless brlcad has something he wants tested, i still have and always will have that cvs checkout
16:09.20 IriX64 louipc you were compiling, how goes it?
16:21.01 IriX64 mmm how do you read a man page in windereze though
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16:38.32 IriX64 Xwin32 is superior to Xming
16:40.07 IriX64 i dropped the 6 dll's it needs into brlcad/bin and all's hunky :)
16:44.19 IriX64 http://irix64.spaces.live.com/photos/stuff
16:47.00 IriX64 urf why did the winbrlcad albumn come up?
16:47.30 IriX64 try leaving /stuff off and selecting the albumn your self
16:49.11 IriX64 urf leave photos off too then you'll be able to choose an albumn
16:52.48 IriX64 http://www.pastebin.ca/444962 look to the end of the paste
17:04.35 IriX64 stuff albumn (BigHavoc)
17:04.49 IriX64 ill shut up now :)
17:10.59 IriX64 final note,gonna try winaxep :)
17:27.58 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/src/libbu/Makefile.am: include/ is now a mandatory dependancy due to the new versioning shtuff
17:30.58 IriX64 it flies with winaxep too (stuff albumn, what my Children did to your havoc :))
17:42.20 IriX64 still going, btw i'm out of prepared pictures.
17:43.23 IriX64 if you want a winaxe pix its going to take a while (not that i'm telling you something you don't already know)
17:54.39 joevalleyfield deltazap: mged on OSX without X -- it's more proof of concept than usable though
17:57.00 ``Erik aqua-tk?
18:19.13 joevalleyfield yeah
18:19.22 joevalleyfield no gl yet though
18:28.10 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/configure.ac: aPrep seems to be a new dir that wasn't added here
18:43.32 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/Makefile.am: brlcad_version.h is in srcdir, not builddir
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18:46.55 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/Makefile.am: the brlcad_version.h builddirr/srcdir issue shows up on a couple other lines, too.
18:49.55 IriX64 winaxep and I have .... well ... issues :L)
18:54.33 IriX64 this is an -march=i386 build too, trying to cover all the bases.
19:11.00 IriX64 stuff albumn, proper credit to John Michael Muss
19:38.39 deltazap joevalleyfield: that's still awesome :)
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20:01.33 IriX64 joevalleyfield: success man, it was a path thing, it's flying on windowsxp home edition
20:01.58 IriX64 btw xming (nah) :)
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20:18.26 IriX64 http://www.pastebin.ca/445316 <--- ``Erik that last line is why the -c ;)
20:21.21 IriX64 i feel like a kid in a candy shop, can't beleive it works :)
20:22.59 ``Erik uh huh? and pick, y'know, ogl?
20:23.05 ``Erik or null... or X...
20:47.21 IriX64 yeah
20:47.33 IriX64 works if you have them
20:49.01 IriX64 can't see the sense of putting x support in the native windows build but....
20:52.39 clock_ Version 9.9.9?
20:52.45 clock_ Is it 6.6.6 upside down?
20:54.36 IriX64 next version will be 10.10.10 but yeah you're right it's eveil :)
20:55.45 IriX64 and ill stick to that to keep confusion to a minimum, no need you guys getting blasted for *my bugs :)
20:57.16 ``Erik 'sok, we blame all our bugs on you anyways ;)
20:57.50 IriX64 heh i have broad shoulders anyway might as well use em for something good :)
21:06.48 IriX64 that importfg4section thing, whats the easiest way of seeing who relies on those functions versus who relies on the ones in fast4-g?
21:08.11 IriX64 should'nt be asking you for help you guys have moved on to 7-10, now theres an idea, can i pirate the appropriate file?
21:11.55 IriX64 never mind
21:17.39 IriX64 not gonna play with librt :)
21:23.22 ``Erik heh
21:25.21 Maloeran Ah, IriX64 is still acting as strangely as usual
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22:40.40 IriX64 blog->brl-cad albumn latest build
23:08.28 IriX64 ok now i have it what do I do with it?
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23:47.06 IriX64 twingy lathe version?
23:47.24 Twingy nyet, still have a bunch of feature requests to churn through in bugzilla
23:47.41 Twingy dxf/stl will get done before that
23:48.00 IriX64 never ends does it
23:48.08 Twingy nope, that's why I'm in no rush
23:48.18 Twingy it's a hobby
23:48.26 IriX64 mentioned g-cam to ASI dunno if ythey looked
23:48.43 IriX64 same here hobby wise
23:48.48 Twingy *shrug* I don't even check my web stats
23:49.01 Twingy I have a 350MB http-access file that probly has all kinds of neat stats in it
23:49.22 IriX64 heh delete will work wonders on it :)
23:49.38 Twingy I've got plenty of disk space, I think I'll keep it around
23:49.47 IriX64 sure
23:50.05 Twingy it would be neat to integrate my path tracer into gcam to render a final part
23:50.38 IriX64 why not integrate gcam into brlcad as an other
23:50.55 Twingy because gcam has no connection to brl-cad from a code standpoint
23:51.02 Twingy and brl-cad is already too big imho
23:51.14 IriX64 sure they'rer both code:)
23:51.27 Twingy if I were doing a freebsd package thing, I'd make it multiple packages
23:51.44 Twingy and have it prompt user if they want ray-tracer, conversion utilities, gui, etc
23:52.01 Twingy and have it pull from separate tar gz downloads
23:52.45 Twingy I wish adrt went that way
23:52.49 Twingy cause then I could link to it on source forge
23:52.53 Twingy as a dependency
23:53.06 Twingy instead of downloading entire brl-cad package for only 0.1% of the code
23:53.24 Twingy python not work?
23:53.35 IriX64 sdl has issues on my system
23:53.41 Twingy I threw python and sdl away 2 years ago
23:53.46 Twingy it's all gtk now
23:53.51 Twingy at least the internal version
23:54.17 Twingy sean doesn't like gtk, so it probably won't get integrated :)
23:54.25 IriX64 heh
23:54.41 Twingy if you make it tcl/tk he'll put it in
23:55.07 IriX64 if *i make shouldn't that be you
23:55.24 Twingy I don't really see the point
23:55.34 Twingy there's plenty of ray-tracers for download that are faster
23:55.49 Twingy on a scale from 1 to 10 with all the ray-tracers out there mine is like an 8.5 right now
23:55.59 Twingy 2 years ago it was a 9.0
23:56.39 IriX64 i know very little of rt
23:56.48 IriX64 just use whats there
23:56.52 Twingy same here until I decided to edumacate myself when I was 19
23:56.54 IriX64 in brl-cad
23:57.04 Twingy by poking at a sphere tracer and understanding the math
23:57.36 Twingy one of the last things I was working on with nurbana was ray-tracing nurbs in 2001
23:57.46 Twingy and trimming
23:57.55 Twingy then I got into electronics
23:58.32 Twingy I enjoy spending half my day in front of the computer screen and the other half building/testing the stuff
23:58.59 IriX64 note my formal education consists of only a certificate in Electronics engineering technology
23:59.13 IriX64 that was in 72

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