IRC log for #brlcad on 20070420

01:21.05 IriX32 K-tank delivered (sorta)
01:22.32 IriX32 photo-shop is really hard ;)
01:22.32 deltazap brlcad: quick question, how i can i change the name of a region or primative and all references
01:32.46 brlcad erm
01:33.05 brlcad there's a command for that.. what's it called.. think it's on the cheat sheet
01:33.10 deltazap looking...
01:33.12 brlcad mebbie mvall
01:33.30 deltazap ah, ok
02:08.47 CIA-14 libIRC: 03brlcad * 10CVSROOT/ (disabled checkoutlist): libirc is now migrated over to svn. disable access to everything except to CVSROOT.
02:09.03 IriX32 i stupidly thought windows gl would not be picked up.
02:09.21 IriX32 your check works :)
02:09.43 IriX32 gives me grief with if_wgl.c tho
02:09.54 IriX32 so hard coded it off for now
02:10.08 brlcad should work of course
02:10.13 IriX32 should
02:11.09 CIA-14 libIRC: 03brlcad * 10libirc/COPYING: LGPL, test commit
02:12.03 IriX32 its in libfb
02:14.43 CIA-14 libIRC: 03brlcad * 10CVSROOT/ (avail checkoutlist disabled): oop, file needs to actually be named avail
02:15.49 CIA-14 libIRC: 03brlcad * 10libirc/README: test commit
02:16.13 IriX32 that was intended for the civilians like me sir :)
02:18.18 IriX32 http://pastebin.ca/449168 <--- this one however is just a warning but still...
02:23.38 brlcad spurious
02:24.32 IriX32 serious :)
02:29.42 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/misc/pkgconfig/ (11 files): quell spurious/bogus warning about datarootdir being ignored
02:40.26 IriX32 http://pastebin.ca/449200 < --will this work, not worried about JavaVM at the moment.
02:40.31 deltazap brlcad: will a projection project around a curved surface?
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02:46.54 dli cvs problem, after ./autogen.sh, ./configure found missing Makefile.in
02:47.47 brlcad dli: cvs -q update -dP
02:47.49 IriX32 forgot fi sorry guys
02:47.58 brlcad check for conflicts if you had an existing checkout
02:48.06 brlcad deltazap: sure
02:48.52 dli IriX32, yes, I removed the original folder, doesn't help
02:49.19 IriX32 uh which makefile.in is missing
02:50.32 brlcad usually implies either need an cvs update -dP or there's a line missing from configure.ac to generate the Makefile.in
02:51.11 IriX32 try ./autogen.sh --verbose
03:20.37 IriX32 the things i then do to myself/
03:25.05 dli IriX32, works?
03:25.42 IriX32 which?
03:25.55 IriX32 got several things happening here.
03:26.20 dli missing Makefile.in from cvs
03:27.51 IriX32 man cvs does not provide makefile.in's
03:28.04 IriX32 generated by autogen
03:28.14 IriX32 thats why the --verbose switch
03:35.22 IriX32 know your system :)
03:37.30 IriX32 heh it woulda worked if i had jni.h ;)
03:43.55 deltazap brlcad: if you want to take a look at the challenge for tomorrow, it's up at http://zap.bonzoesc.net/brlcad/challenge.zip
03:44.11 deltazap good luck ;) and no cheating by converting the pix files :P
03:44.13 dli IriX32, thanks:)
03:44.29 IriX32 dli welcome
03:45.42 IriX32 btw dli, i'm no expert, just the resident comic :)
03:46.00 IriX32 i think ;)
03:48.13 IriX32 my presence here goes unnoticed
03:50.14 dli cvs -z3 -d ":pserver:anonymous@brlcad.cvs.sf.net:/cvsroot/brlcad" update -dP brlcad brlcad
03:50.29 dli IriX32, do I pass some ENV to autogen.sh?
03:55.33 dli IriX32, config.status: WARNING: Makefile.in seems to ignore the --datarootdir setting
04:00.38 IriX32 checking that right now, wait a bit
04:01.33 IriX32 a compile and a configure running at the same time, needs patience.
04:05.59 dli IriX32, I guess it's automake-version problem
04:06.31 IriX32 hmmm x11 does not appear to be functionaly available still? (i did an update mere 15 minutes ago)
04:06.43 IriX32 dli wait
04:07.21 dli IriX32, using automake-1.10 has no Makefile.in problem
04:08.26 IriX32 really? i'm using 1.8.5 and the last update i got fixed it looks like
04:08.36 IriX32 cvs update
04:09.01 dli IriX32, good, it's building
04:09.07 IriX32 good
04:10.06 dli IriX32, I updated the tcl/tk doc patch, http://pastebin.ca/449316
04:10.16 IriX32 ty
04:11.01 IriX32 man i do not speak make sorry.
04:11.43 IriX32 brlcad that last did the trick re dataroot dir thingy
04:12.05 dli IriX32, what trick?
04:12.32 IriX32 updating after his last commit
04:12.42 dli IriX32, no idea
04:14.12 IriX32 http://pastebin.ca/449325 <-- summary of plain ./autogen.sh ./configure
04:14.26 dli ITCL_LIBRARY=/usr/brlcad/lib64/itcl3.3/ ITK_LIBRARY=/usr/brlcad/lib64/itk3.3/ /usr/brlcad/bin/mged
04:15.05 dli good
04:15.30 dli I want to build a /usr/bin/brlcad (a script to run /usr/brlcad/bin/brlcad )
04:15.52 IriX32 ?
04:16.24 dli IriX32, sorry, to /usr/brlcad/bin/mged
04:16.41 IriX32 just set your path
04:17.09 IriX32 don't ask me how that's done :)
04:35.41 dli IriX32, good, I got cvs running
04:40.19 IriX32 dli you said you're using archlinux right
04:46.14 IriX32 txUnixMenubu.c in tk/unix is misssing a #include "default.h" watch out for it.
04:48.00 IriX32 break time
04:48.23 dli IriX32, gentoo
04:48.35 dli IriX32, use automake-1.10?
04:48.52 IriX32 that fixes it?
04:49.06 IriX32 whatever works man
04:49.16 dli IriX32, yes
04:49.50 IriX32 guess i should upgrade...someday... but if it's not broken you know...
04:51.26 dli IriX32, rebuild to double check the building script
05:04.50 IriX32 dli, don't follow, autogen works here
05:27.50 dli IriX32, I submitted my ebuilds to http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=77197
05:29.40 IriX32 good
05:30.07 dli IriX32, double checked, it works for me
05:30.37 IriX32 good mine always did work
05:31.03 dli IriX32, gentoo is still mysterious to me :(
05:31.21 IriX32 life is mysterious to me :)
05:34.44 dli IriX32, sure, buddha said there are as many worlds like ours as number of sands in the river Ganges
05:35.40 IriX32 *I say life is elementary school, how you make out here determines which high school you go to
05:39.23 dli IriX32, buddha say everyone has his or her own buddha, and all lives are equal
05:39.58 IriX32 but the routes to the final destination are various
05:41.49 IriX32 some take the high road some take the rocky road
05:42.10 dli IriX32, there's no such "final destination", giving the multiverse world
05:42.55 IriX32 ahh i beg to differ, the eternal kingdom is under construction, we're expected to help build it
05:43.56 IriX32 someday i'll tell you about my golden dream, and my impossible golden dream :)
05:44.06 dli IriX32, you can enjoy your world :) and buddha wants to help everyone
05:44.25 IriX32 it's your world too, live it up
05:44.30 IriX32 :)
05:45.03 dli IriX32, no, since everyone can has a different buddha, not necessarily the same
05:45.39 IriX32 all names refer to one being
05:46.14 dli IriX32, buddha doesn't see an almighty creator for the multiverse :)
05:46.39 IriX32 you saying your buddah
05:48.29 dli IriX32, yes, buddha knows there are other buddhas, so, there's no concept of infidel for him. because there's no non-believers, just other buddhas
05:48.44 IriX32 was thanking God for something one day, and thought to ask after his day, into my mind pops the word splendacious
05:48.59 IriX32 i didn't even know that word existed before that
05:49.04 dli IriX32, thinking of God leads to religious wars :)
05:49.13 IriX32 not here
05:50.00 dli also, God is evil and jealous, he punishes you, if you don't believe him, and only him
05:50.13 IriX32 i'm told the secret is to learn to recognize thoughts that are not your
05:50.25 IriX32 +s
05:50.52 IriX32 well i see hellish high for you then
05:51.49 dli IriX32, hehe, buddha says, if there's a hell, I should go there, before everyone else should
06:00.48 IriX32 you should study Gods plan
06:02.16 dli IriX32, no, I'm atheist :) but interested why people still killing each other in name of God
06:03.28 IriX32 in name of God you say, they don't truly beleive in the diety then
06:04.15 IriX32 the uso show is now over :)
06:07.15 dli IriX32, just watched PBS show, "America at crossroad". Most muslim (on the show) are so scary to me.
06:08.14 IriX32 muslims are people too, should not be afraid of people dli, learn their customs, traditions etc
06:08.37 dli IriX32, the show reminds me, Taliban destroyed buddha statues in Bamiyan. No buddhist suicide bombers because of that
06:09.38 IriX32 if people would communicate, rather than pontificate
06:09.52 IriX32 such might not happen
06:10.33 dli IriX32, you forgot native European born radicals
06:11.19 IriX32 are you here to goad me or do you really want my help?
06:12.24 dli IriX32, no, just thinking about the PBS show, maybe, it's biased
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07:53.39 brlcad dli: nice work on the ebuild
07:54.15 brlcad the problem that it's going to probably run into is just the complications from using /usr/brlcad
07:55.12 brlcad some of the core guys are not particularly fond of having another big top-level usr dir ala X11R6
07:56.34 brlcad and to not put brl-cad into /usr/brlcad, e.g. into /usr, means attempting to resolve or deal with about a dozen conflicts
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09:36.17 clock_ brlcad: did you say that pipe is defined by points on it's way and curvatures?
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11:32.14 cad18 hi all
11:32.40 deltazap clock_: yes, it is
11:33.16 deltazap the first and last points radiuses don't matter, but everything else does
11:33.25 cad18 is brlcad comparable to catia?
11:34.47 deltazap cad18: from what i understand, catia is much more indepth into the whole lifecycle of an item. not only does it do modelling, but analysis and CAM, i believe
11:35.01 deltazap but, it's also much more $$$ :P
11:35.14 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/sh/ (linkroot.sh Makefile.am):
11:35.15 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: adding an initial script used to create or recreate the symbolic links in an
11:35.15 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: installation root directory where multiple versions are retained. the script
11:35.15 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: currently creates the links in a directory (e.g. /usr/brlcad) to point to some
11:35.15 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: specified current stable version (e.g. /usr/brlcad/rel-7.10.0). more work
11:35.17 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: needed to recreate/relink properly still, but it's a start.
11:42.56 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/HACKING: per e-mail initiated on their end, softpedia would like to be notified when we make releases of brl-cad. particularly for the mac builds, though there is also a linux entry now apparently too.
12:37.34 p0g0 Hi-is there a simple list of the dependencies required for brlcad- ./configure reports no x11 or opengl, and the compile bombs with "error:x11/xlib.h" -this being an Xorg v11 system, I'd guess I'm hosed... clues? Manna from on high?
12:38.25 clock_ deltazap: and how are the curvatures defined? Using one vector?
12:39.25 deltazap nope, just a radius
12:40.01 joevalleyfield p0g0, where is your x11/xlib.h
12:40.20 p0g0 uhmm- with an Xorg setup, I doubt that I have one.
12:40.29 p0g0 Xorg <>X11
12:40.36 joevalleyfield uh
12:40.42 joevalleyfield i'm pretty sure you still have one
12:40.44 p0g0 I could be very wrong tho
12:40.59 joevalleyfield Xorg is just a fork of xfree86?
12:41.03 p0g0 ok then I'll just need to locate it and get it into the path
12:41.08 joevalleyfield everything is really the same
12:41.15 joevalleyfield put it in some CPPFLAGS
12:41.37 joevalleyfield CPPFLAGS='-I /path/to/X11dir/'
12:41.59 p0g0 ok- then I'd guess all I'll need are the headers/source for Xorg... I'll sort that out
12:42.12 joevalleyfield just headers
12:42.27 joevalleyfield and libs
12:42.37 p0g0 then I'd rerun ./configure to get rid of the no X11 , I'd guess
12:42.45 joevalleyfield hopefully
12:43.01 p0g0 Ok- I'll fool with that, thanks
12:43.10 joevalleyfield np
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16:14.22 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03joevalleyfield * 10brlcad/src/other/ (tcl/unix/tcl.m4 tk/unix/tcl.m4):
16:14.22 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: remove dependency on __private_extern__ when compiling on darwin
16:14.22 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: don't hide module symbols on apple; they aren't hidden on other unix platforms
17:22.57 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03joevalleyfield * 10brlcad/src/other/tk/ (9 files in 2 dirs):
17:26.20 joevalleyfield brlcad, the commit message for that was supposed to be remove dependency on -fpascal-strings when building for aqua
17:30.07 joevalleyfield i imagine it's darn near impossible to hack it in
18:02.29 joevalleyfield i modified the each of the log messages, maybe something more needs to be done to make the changelog happy?
18:52.13 ``Erik Xorg is a fork of X11, usually installed to /usr/X11R6, though I like mine in /usr/Xorg
18:52.22 ``Erik --with-x11=/usr/Xorg makes mine all peachy
18:56.55 p0g0 ``Erik: tell me more about that-I'm trying to sort out the dependencies in an Xorg (X11R6) setup...I'm not even sure whether the headers I need are to be found in X11-common. I'd appreciate any datum offered.
19:01.35 ``Erik for BRL-CAD? xorg-libraries should be enough
19:02.27 p0g0 ``Erik: thanks
19:03.55 ``Erik p0g0: which os are you using?
19:04.28 p0g0 ``Erik: on this box, it's a debian offshoot of SID
19:04.39 ``Erik hum, does X launch? can you use like gnome or kde and get a working desktop?
19:05.27 p0g0 oh yeah- it's a happy box, kde, kernel 2.6.18 smp, intel p6 3Ghz...
19:06.05 ``Erik ok, do you have the xlib dev package? like, um, /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xlib.h ?
19:06.35 ``Erik (which is what time asked in a case special way)
19:06.47 ``Erik "special" heh... :D hockey helmet and water wings, yo
19:07.23 p0g0 that's what I lack- I'd hoped to locate a dependency list, but so far I'm just chipping away missing lib by missing lib.
19:07.44 ``Erik well, the dep list for BRL-CAD is kinda a non-static thing
19:07.53 p0g0 fair enough
19:08.04 ``Erik for what you want, you probably need the X dev package, the png dev package, ummm maybe tcl and tk 8.5
19:08.13 p0g0 I should be able to locate the -dev .deb
19:08.24 p0g0 ooh thanks
19:08.24 ``Erik (notice I'm saying dev package on all of those)
19:08.37 p0g0 yes, I appreciate the meaning of that
19:14.28 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03joevalleyfield * 10brlcad/src/other/ (tcl/unix/tcl.m4 tk/unix/tcl.m4):
19:14.28 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: remove dependency on __private_extern__ when compiling on darwin
19:14.29 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: usually MODULE_SCOPE is defined in tclInt.h. Apparently some OSX files
19:14.29 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: don't include it so MODULE SCOPE must be defined as extern where it was
19:14.29 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: previously defined as __private_extern__.
19:41.05 IriX32 it says found x11 in /usr/x11r6 but then x11 is not functionally available
19:41.18 IriX32 .
19:41.46 IriX32 libs are in x11r6/lib
19:41.52 joevalleyfield as always, look at the end of your config.log and see why the test program didn't run
19:42.53 IriX32 urf ty
19:44.37 ``Erik "A net is a series of holes joined together with string"
19:45.22 joevalleyfield tubes
19:45.47 ``Erik <-- meant an omfg real net, not a network
19:46.09 IriX32 _XNewModifiermap <---- undefined reference
19:46.28 ``Erik I guess you'll have to use the old modifier map :/
19:46.33 IriX32 heh
19:46.46 IriX32 who crafted the new :P
19:46.53 ``Erik or search your libraries to see which one defines the symbol
19:47.21 IriX32 man x is fraught :P
19:48.08 IriX32 suppose i could hard code it on ... but... that wouldn't be in keeping with the spirit of things now would it
19:48.40 IriX32 i know i have x i know it finds it. ill set libs myself
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19:50.35 joevalleyfield that should work, the source code doesn't appear to rely on XNewModifiermap
19:50.52 IriX32 ty
19:52.13 IriX32 your fast joevalleyfield, thanks
19:52.50 joevalleyfield grep is everyone's friend
19:52.56 IriX32 heh true
20:00.53 IriX32 jvf trying something
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20:06.55 IriX32 never mind will only work if X is up :)
20:09.54 IriX32 so... x11_works=yes to the rescue :)
20:12.00 IriX32 lets see if libs get set right
20:19.20 IriX32 -L/usr/X11R6/lib :)
20:29.43 IriX32 ty building
20:35.35 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03jlowenz * 10brlcad/src/conv/iges/ (get_outer_shell.cpp brep.cpp add_face.cpp): correct a typo in documentation
20:36.21 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03jlowenz * 10brlcad/src/proc-db/brep_simple.cpp: correct a typo in documentation
20:37.42 CIA-14 BRL-CAD: 03jlowenz * 10brlcad/src/librt/g_brep.cpp: Add initial (currently untested) support for trimming
20:42.39 IriX32 http://irix32.spaces.live.com/photos <--- promised you K-tank last night :)
20:44.21 b0ef wasn't there an effort to move BRL-CAD to storing floats in double precision?
20:53.12 IriX32 sphere flake
20:57.03 IriX32 mmm i mentioned it... better deliver it :)
21:07.32 IriX32 complex, very slow to appear
21:29.47 IriX32 http://irix32.spaces.live.com/photos sphere flake and rendering sphere flake
21:31.04 IriX32 you're probably wondering what I'm doing messing around with 7.10 :)
21:50.43 IriX32 same blog address , your way combined with my way :)
21:53.42 IriX32 if i want a fbserv window i just type exec fbserv 2 /dev/X into the mged command window and ...
22:16.54 archivist IriX32, test your link before you publish http://irix32.spaces.live.com/photos I get an xml error
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22:23.38 IriX32 whoa sorry
22:24.15 IriX32 just loaded what you typed, works here
22:24.46 IriX32 having bwish issues right now tho
22:26.20 IriX32 its there but it can't find go figure, tk8.5.a that is
23:23.16 brlcad b0ef: erm.. for which file type? the .g files should be packed in double-precision (it's up to each primitive)
23:23.37 brlcad the .asc file format is a bit different, limited only by snprintf settings
23:36.23 CIA-14 libIRC: 03brlcad * 10CVSROOT/commitinfo: use the cvs_acls file to read the access rules in the avail file, thanks dtremenak
23:40.05 dli brlcad, if we build /usr/, the problem is that some brlcad libraries, librt libbn, libz will be linked into many other packages.
23:56.21 IriX32 dli so put it in /usr/local/brlcad (--prefix=/usr/local/brlcad on configure line)

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