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| 02:51.34 | Joel1 | hey....umm brlcad, do you remember the command line you told me to put in yesterday to allow the tesselation tolerance to not go kaput on my computer? i can't find any logs...and my computer shut down before i wrote it down :( |
| 02:52.13 | brlcad | run the command without any args and it should display usage |
| 02:52.32 | Joel1 | ah, but i don't know exactly what the problem was... |
| 02:52.45 | brlcad | i believe it was the distance tolerance |
| 02:52.55 | brlcad | so, probably -D |
| 02:53.04 | Joel1 | ok thank you |
| 02:53.09 | brlcad | no prob |
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| 13:24.17 | Haleiwa | brlcad: how many days do you rest before exercising a muscle again? |
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| 14:14.26 | brlcad | Haleiwa: depends on the muscle and whether I'm bulking or conditioning |
| 14:15.57 | Haleiwa | brlcad: for bulking? |
| 14:16.10 | brlcad | if i'm bulking, it's usually 48 hours after it stops hurting or 72 hours after working out, whichever is longer -- which is basically if you workout a particular muscle heavy on monday, it's not focused again until thursday (and it's left alone in the days in-between) |
| 14:17.37 | brlcad | some mucles like abs can take more, and it depends on your frame, but that's a schedule that's pretty good for most -- the trick is really hitting only one or two mucles on any given day, and then leaving it alone |
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| 14:21.54 | Haleiwa | brlcad: I go to gym every 3 days and work out all the muscles and they don't hurt then it's the same isn't it? |
| 14:22.36 | Haleiwa | brlcad: I have problem with biceps then increase weight only very slowly is there some trick? |
| 14:23.01 | Haleiwa | I feel like the signal into the muscle is too weak, like the muscle could do much more but the brain tells it too little |
| 14:23.55 | Haleiwa | other muscles like triceps go forward like hell I already hit the limit of the machine with triceps |
| 14:30.43 | brlcad | Haleiwa: that "could" be fine, but not for biceps -- the smaller muscles need more than that to rest once they start getting bigger, even after they don't hurt |
| 14:31.17 | Haleiwa | so I should train the biceps less often? |
| 14:31.20 | brlcad | i usually give biceps another 24 at best, e.g. monday to friday |
| 14:32.21 | Haleiwa | and if I do biceps only once per week is it fine? |
| 14:32.30 | Haleiwa | cause getting into the gym costs some time |
| 14:32.39 | brlcad | the other thing, though, is that if you're going every three days (presumabely M -> Thu -> Sun -> Wed -> Sat -> etc) .. I don't buy that you're focusing on the given muscles enough :) |
| 14:32.50 | Haleiwa | Thanks for advice, these words help much more than mindless incorrect lifting of irons |
| 14:33.09 | Haleiwa | I do all the muscles every time I go |
| 14:33.29 | brlcad | that can be a problem |
| 14:33.42 | Haleiwa | what can it cause? what should I do instead? |
| 14:34.31 | Haleiwa | or I could actually train the biceps asynchronously because I have a little dumbbell for that at home |
| 14:34.32 | brlcad | i mean, you can't be doing benchpress and triceps and shoulders on the same day and expect all three to max out nicely |
| 14:34.38 | Haleiwa | so you say every 5 days the biceps? |
| 14:34.42 | brlcad | once you do any one of those three, you cheat the other two |
| 14:34.46 | Haleiwa | no I get tired |
| 14:34.57 | Haleiwa | sure yes I get tired |
| 14:35.08 | Haleiwa | and the others just the signal from the brain gets weaker |
| 14:35.30 | brlcad | that's what I mean about sticking to just two muscles -- I give about a half-hour to each muscle |
| 14:35.51 | Haleiwa | and what you do with the muscles you don't focus? No training or do you give them some low-intensity? |
| 14:35.54 | brlcad | low, slow, heavy, controlled reps |
| 14:36.18 | Haleiwa | and the focused get what? |
| 14:36.40 | brlcad | if you're lifting for bulk, leave the ones off you just worked out alone |
| 14:36.40 | Haleiwa | I think my training was crap :) |
| 14:36.54 | Haleiwa | I don't get it |
| 14:37.03 | brlcad | they really are in recovery mode until they've had their three days or so of rest |
| 14:37.04 | Haleiwa | I want to lift for bulk only |
| 14:37.31 | Haleiwa | but then I have to go more often than every 3 days |
| 14:37.40 | brlcad | if you lift light in the meantime, you're pressing them to respond to strength training (which limits growth capacity) |
| 14:38.07 | brlcad | yeah, every 3 days isn't ideal |
| 14:38.24 | Haleiwa | so if I go every 2 days and I do half of the body every visit? |
| 14:38.33 | Haleiwa | Plus do the bicepses asynchronously at home every 5 days? |
| 14:38.34 | brlcad | every day or even every other day lets you respond to each muscle after they've had their recovery |
| 14:39.19 | Haleiwa | wohoo, this training will surely work :) |
| 14:39.20 | brlcad | depends what you mean by half the body, but yeah, that's more doable |
| 14:39.27 | brlcad | i hear that and it sounds like a 4 hour workout |
| 14:39.30 | Haleiwa | I mean half of the muscles |
| 14:39.58 | Haleiwa | half of the machines |
| 14:40.39 | Haleiwa | is it a problem that the muscles get 4 days for recovery instead of 3? |
| 14:40.43 | Haleiwa | cannot they get lazy? |
| 14:41.20 | brlcad | seriously, a half hour per muscle -- intense focus on getting the muscle to fail within a few heavy reps with some warmup and cooldown reps -- and if you do something like shoulders one day, that means you can't do low chest or arms that day |
| 14:42.26 | Haleiwa | what's the factor that gets optimized? |
| 14:42.42 | Haleiwa | that I feel the muscle is maximum tired after leaving the room? |
| 14:43.48 | brlcad | like if you want shoulders on some day, you do heavy military or incline (but not both) followed by shoulder raises followed by heavy shrugs, followed by dumbell shoulder work to finish -- something like that |
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| 14:44.06 | brlcad | specifically avoiding bench, arms, and back |
| 14:44.56 | brlcad | if done on monday, that would/should basically leave your shoulders out until wed/thurs |
| 14:45.31 | brlcad | also means you can't do bench/arms/back until tues/wed at the earliest |
| 14:45.51 | Haleiwa | what is the best exercise for upper pecs? |
| 14:45.57 | Haleiwa | my upper pecs are total crap |
| 14:46.01 | Haleiwa | and the lower are much better |
| 14:46.18 | brlcad | incline and pec deck |
| 14:46.42 | Haleiwa | incline is incline bench with dumbbells? |
| 14:47.59 | brlcad | and yes -- the factor that's optimized is that the muscle you are working on is noticeably tired, but not those immediately around it (i.e. isolate the area somewhat) |
| 14:48.25 | brlcad | then the trick is to get that fatigue with as few reps as possible using patterns that your muscles respond to |
| 14:48.40 | Haleiwa | why as few reps as possible? |
| 14:48.43 | Haleiwa | to save time? |
| 14:48.49 | brlcad | max'ing out is critical for the big muscles, but really hard without spotters |
| 14:49.17 | Haleiwa | harry spotter is the guy who catches falling barbells? |
| 14:49.33 | brlcad | no, not to save time -- even 30 reps can take a half an hour if done right |
| 14:49.57 | Haleiwa | why as few reps as possible then? |
| 14:50.10 | brlcad | fewer heavy reps build bulk, stimulate muscles for growth |
| 14:50.25 | Haleiwa | but one superheavy rep just tears the tendons away doesn't? |
| 14:50.55 | brlcad | the more reps you add for a given set, particularly on the big muscles, the more it becomes conditioning and strength training |
| 14:51.58 | Haleiwa | what if I lift the weight halfway but cannot complete? What should I do? |
| 14:52.06 | Haleiwa | Terminate the series? |
| 14:52.56 | brlcad | if done incorrectly, yes, you can tear tendons and cause all sorts of bad stuff to happen -- thats why the workouts are supposed to take a long while, to do them controlled, to rest extensively between sets, to have a spotter for failure and to watch you're doing proper form, etc |
| 14:53.30 | Haleiwa | 6-8 reps is that OK for bulking? |
| 14:53.35 | brlcad | heh, yes definitely -- if you absolutely cannot complete with proper form, you've presumably reached failure |
| 14:53.57 | Haleiwa | I can complete if I twist my body or use other muscles but I don't do it |
| 14:54.02 | Haleiwa | That's incorrect form right? |
| 14:54.14 | brlcad | you ideally reach failure on each muscle at least once during the workout, and then move to a light cooldown on that muscle |
| 14:54.24 | brlcad | very incorrect |
| 14:54.25 | Haleiwa | or if I can complete but instead of 3 seconds it takes half a minute? |
| 14:54.34 | brlcad | that's a good way to give yourself a hernia or rip something |
| 14:54.45 | Haleiwa | and I also try to keep the speed constant that's right too? |
| 14:55.05 | brlcad | relatively slow, but more importantly very controlled |
| 14:55.18 | Haleiwa | but if it's too slow then it's aerobic isn't it? |
| 14:55.35 | Haleiwa | controlled means smooth? |
| 14:55.54 | brlcad | 6-8 reps is fine for most muscles -- smaller muscles can take more, and you can play with that number some as you get familiar with how yours respond |
| 14:56.03 | brlcad | smooth, proper form, full range of motion |
| 14:56.30 | Haleiwa | and if I cannot complete the whole range say only 90% then declare failure, right? |
| 14:56.35 | brlcad | if you're pressing 300 lbs, there's nothing aerobic about it |
| 14:56.39 | brlcad | no matter how slow you go |
| 14:56.54 | Haleiwa | just the static tension consumes enough leakage power? |
| 14:58.21 | brlcad | ideally you don't declare failure -- your spotter does (at least if it's a big muscle group) |
| 14:58.32 | brlcad | or rather, your body very clearly will |
| 15:00.26 | brlcad | there's is a point where a given muscle will outright fail under an increasing heavy load |
| 15:00.27 | brlcad | for smaller loads, it's very different |
| 15:00.27 | brlcad | but for heavy ones, you want them to fail with a heavy weight at least once -- and then each time you work that muscle out, you push towards making that heavy weight failure happen 5-10 lbs heavier |
| 15:02.02 | Haleiwa | what we want to induce is a damage, right? |
| 15:02.09 | Haleiwa | but microscopical and not macroscopical |
| 15:03.31 | brlcad | example workout, I might be doing a pyramid set on incline, doing 10x120 warmup, then 10x180, 8x200, 6x220, 4x240, and then failing at 2x260 (with a spotter, and presuming I already knew my max was around 270) -- followed by maybe a two-set cooldown of 10x120 and 20x80 |
| 15:03.55 | brlcad | right |
| 15:04.10 | brlcad | macro bad, micro great |
| 15:04.26 | Haleiwa | so it's like bending an aluminium strip ten times back and forthn |
| 15:04.30 | brlcad | if I was doing that workout, and I failed on the second set, that'd change everything |
| 15:04.36 | Haleiwa | not like tearing it outright over |
| 15:04.54 | brlcad | not a great analogy :) |
| 15:06.12 | Haleiwa | how long do you wait between changing weights? |
| 15:07.02 | brlcad | that's a hard one, depends how it feels and how close to failure .. generally a few minutes at least |
| 15:07.20 | Haleiwa | you're right with the biceps because when I start with the biceps after some time of not using it, I feel it's powerful but next time it feels like crap |
| 15:07.30 | Haleiwa | what do you do in these minutes? |
| 15:07.59 | brlcad | not so long that the muscle has entirely cooled down (like 30 minutes later) and not immediate (like 1 minute later) |
| 15:08.22 | brlcad | otherwise, you can play with different recoveries depending on what you're trying to achieve |
| 15:08.44 | Haleiwa | what's best for the biggest muscles? |
| 15:08.57 | brlcad | biceps are a good example -- once they fail, they're pretty much useless, but they have a fast recovery |
| 15:09.15 | Haleiwa | fast recovery? |
| 15:09.18 | Haleiwa | You said it's slow, 5 days |
| 15:09.41 | brlcad | so you can just wait 2 minutes after a set, and even if you were close to failure with 8 reps, you could still get 6-8 reps on the next with increased weight |
| 15:09.56 | Haleiwa | oh that recovery |
| 15:09.57 | brlcad | i mean on the spot recovery between sets |
| 15:10.28 | brlcad | you can generally do more reps with the smaller or more toned muscles |
| 15:10.42 | brlcad | you can work out your abs just about every day, for example |
| 15:10.54 | Haleiwa | wikipedia says that that is a myth |
| 15:11.00 | brlcad | but then you generally don't "bulk" your abs |
| 15:12.38 | Haleiwa | abs are small or big muscles? |
| 15:13.00 | brlcad | with workouts, just about everything is a myth or bad advice in certain concepts or put to certain practice -- as it all depends heavily on your own body, your muscles, your frame, etc |
| 15:13.40 | brlcad | as a group they're pretty big .. but they're a collection of a lot of smaller muscle bundles |
| 15:14.02 | brlcad | i was referring more to the difference between working your biceps and your quadriceps |
| 15:14.58 | brlcad | still, 8 is a good general number if you're starting out to stick to that doesn't start to matter until/if you've plateau'd a muscle |
| 15:15.15 | brlcad | 8-12 or so |
| 15:15.45 | brlcad | reducing reps as you hit more serious weights |
| 15:16.32 | Haleiwa | I mean the biceps on the arm |
| 15:16.37 | Haleiwa | isn't there another on the leg? |
| 15:16.58 | brlcad | huh? |
| 15:17.03 | Haleiwa | then probably not :) |
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| 15:45.04 | Tanelorn | brlcad: how does it come that the recovery time (the one in order of days) depends on muscle size? |
| 16:11.52 | ``Erik | heh |
| 16:12.03 | ``Erik | my biceps still hurt from tuesday :( |
| 16:23.13 | Tanelorn | brlcad: actually could I say that the recovery is complete when I feel the muscle is fresh and I cannot stop myself from playing with the weights? |
| 17:19.15 | brlcad | ``Erik: heh |
| 17:19.38 | brlcad | that's not a good sign if that little bit of effort makes ya sore :) |
| 18:25.45 | ``Erik | <-- puss, and did bunches of carrying and lifting before you got there |
| 18:27.35 | ``Erik | nothing else hurts *shrug* |
| 18:27.40 | ``Erik | just my biceps |
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