| 01:11.27 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/mged/attach.c: jeebus, why in the world is a vls being used for a constant string.. |
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| 02:47.57 | Daytona | Sean, are you there? |
| 02:56.43 | Daytona | anybody have any details on the mged ubits command problem? |
| 02:56.57 | Daytona | oops, I mean "units" command |
| 02:58.30 | brlcad | hey Daytona |
| 02:58.38 | brlcad | hm, is this a first? :) |
| 02:59.33 | Daytona | Yep |
| 03:00.09 | Daytona | I saw the "units" command in the TODO |
| 03:00.17 | Daytona | What is the problem? |
| 03:00.44 | brlcad | well, I just noticed today -- doesn't report the units if you just run units |
| 03:01.08 | Daytona | Oh, I noticed that, too |
| 03:01.36 | Daytona | But the help message doesn't say it will report the units |
| 03:01.51 | Daytona | and the units are displayed in the GUI |
| 03:02.31 | brlcad | iirc it used to report the units, though |
| 03:02.37 | brlcad | just like title |
| 03:03.02 | Daytona | Probably should, for consistency with other commands |
| 03:03.11 | brlcad | plus, displaying in the gui doesn't really help if you're in console mode :) |
| 03:03.25 | brlcad | hm, so you think it never did? |
| 03:03.30 | Daytona | Yeah, should be an easy fix |
| 03:03.48 | Daytona | I don't recall for sure whether it did or not |
| 03:03.50 | brlcad | i swear i remember it returning the units.. or maybe there's just some other command I'm thinking of that also reports it |
| 03:04.19 | brlcad | but I even had that wired in my mind, as I was actually modelling something earlier |
| 03:05.09 | Daytona | Maybe I'll take a look at it this weekend |
| 03:06.28 | brlcad | just took a quick look at wdb_units_cmd.. it has print statements in there to report the current units |
| 03:06.33 | brlcad | "You are now editing in ..." |
| 03:06.49 | brlcad | so something fishy |
| 03:07.25 | Daytona | Is it putting the string in interp.results? |
| 03:07.32 | brlcad | would hunt it down, but I'm deep in the middle of a graphical crash reporter :) |
| 03:07.45 | Daytona | I'll have a look |
| 03:08.16 | brlcad | it does do a tcl_appendresult |
| 03:08.36 | Daytona | OK, I'll look at it this weekend |
| 03:09.08 | Daytona | Right now I need to hit the sack. Have to get up early to take the grandson to a ball game |
| 03:09.23 | brlcad | cool |
| 03:09.32 | brlcad | at ripken's? |
| 03:09.33 | Daytona | bye |
| 03:09.52 | Daytona | No, he's playing in a tournament in Essex |
| 03:09.59 | brlcad | oh, even better ;) |
| 03:10.08 | brlcad | well, best of luck to him |
| 03:10.13 | brlcad | and g'night! |
| 03:10.14 | Daytona | see ya, thanks |
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| 04:07.36 | thing0 | hey guys |
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| 10:42.17 | thing1 | hey |
| 10:42.34 | thing1 | hey |
| 10:42.37 | thing1 | dammit |
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| 12:44.14 | thing1 | hmmm |
| 12:44.21 | thing0 | finally |
| 12:44.25 | thing0 | back to normal |
| 13:04.03 | brlcad | howdy thing0 |
| 13:04.15 | brlcad | you're on and off too quickly :) |
| 13:04.19 | brlcad | (to respond) |
| 13:04.25 | thing0 | howdy brlcad |
| 13:04.28 | thing0 | yeah |
| 13:04.44 | thing0 | my router was dropping out today |
| 13:07.01 | thing0 | so what you been up to brlcad? |
| 13:07.35 | brlcad | coding ;) |
| 13:07.43 | thing0 | hehe |
| 13:07.56 | thing0 | but of course |
| 13:07.56 | brlcad | trying to get a few last things implemented so a release can be posted |
| 13:07.56 | thing0 | ;) |
| 13:08.14 | thing0 | i have been getting more into project management stuff |
| 13:08.29 | thing0 | listening to podcasts while doing other stuff ;) |
| 13:10.54 | b0ef | any way to prevent mged from using mouse follow? |
| 13:11.33 | b0ef | it's impossible to switch to the listener when the mouse is hovering over the graphics window |
| 13:15.30 | ``Erik | "project management stuff"/ |
| 13:15.31 | ``Erik | ? |
| 13:15.37 | thing0 | yeah |
| 13:15.46 | thing0 | my next goal in life |
| 13:15.50 | thing0 | project manager |
| 13:15.59 | ``Erik | heh |
| 13:16.02 | thing0 | yeah |
| 13:16.12 | thing0 | I get to be a senior project engineer by default |
| 13:16.18 | thing0 | just have to sit around for a while |
| 13:16.23 | thing0 | PM I have to work for |
| 13:16.33 | thing0 | ahh |
| 13:16.36 | thing0 | ;) |
| 13:16.47 | ``Erik | related to software development, primarily |
| 13:16.53 | thing0 | yeah |
| 13:17.09 | ``Erik | deep dependancy chains, radically un-equal "resources", ... |
| 13:17.18 | thing0 | hmm |
| 13:17.49 | ``Erik | I even have a ruby prototype of a time mgmt/todo list program that tries to address a lot of the shit other osftware doesn't :) |
| 13:17.50 | thing0 | I want to be able to learn general skills in PM |
| 13:17.53 | ``Erik | uhmmmm |
| 13:17.59 | ``Erik | joel spolsky |
| 13:18.03 | thing0 | so that it can be transferable to any environment |
| 13:18.26 | ``Erik | wrote an article on it that is interesting (just bear in mind that he was the project manager for excel... so bring a salt lick for any excel related comment in that article) |
| 13:18.29 | thing0 | i am in engineering construction at the moment |
| 13:18.40 | thing0 | ahh ok |
| 13:18.48 | thing0 | you got the name of the article? |
| 13:19.04 | ``Erik | I'd assert that software development (an artform) and construction are so radically different, that the skills are simply not transferrable :( |
| 13:19.10 | ``Erik | not off the top of my head |
| 13:19.29 | thing0 | i disagree |
| 13:19.29 | thing0 | the principle of project management is transferable |
| 13:19.33 | thing0 | but it has to be adapted |
| 13:19.34 | ``Erik | perhaps |
| 13:19.47 | thing0 | there is QA etc in construction |
| 13:19.48 | ``Erik | I'm just skeered, cuz there's a notion that a programmer is a programmer |
| 13:19.52 | b0ef | I've just completed a semester in PM;) |
| 13:19.57 | thing0 | hehe |
| 13:20.01 | ``Erik | so you can grab a java UI developer... and make 'em do os C work |
| 13:20.11 | ``Erik | I've seen it happen WAY TOO FUCKING MUCH over the past 3 years. |
| 13:20.11 | ``Erik | :( |
| 13:20.19 | ``Erik | ('cept more in the other direction) |
| 13:20.37 | thing0 | yeah |
| 13:20.51 | ``Erik | and denying perfect fit situations where both the customer and developer really really want to be because of body count on some other high profile project |
| 13:21.02 | thing0 | lol |
| 13:21.07 | thing0 | nah keep going |
| 13:21.07 | thing0 | ;) |
| 13:21.15 | ``Erik | I'm on vacation, that trainwreck of fucked up idiotic criminal management does not exist. |
| 13:21.22 | thing0 | hehe |
| 13:21.23 | thing0 | ahh ok |
| 13:21.31 | thing0 | you should chill then |
| 13:21.32 | thing0 | ;) |
| 13:21.39 | ``Erik | in 1.5 hours, I'm driving to the airport |
| 13:21.43 | ``Erik | yo |
| 13:21.46 | thing0 | ah |
| 13:21.49 | thing0 | where you going? |
| 13:21.54 | ``Erik | picking someone up |
| 13:22.40 | thing0 | ahh |
| 13:22.47 | thing0 | hehe |
| 13:23.24 | thing0 | hehe |
| 13:23.36 | thing0 | PARTY at ``Erik house |
| 13:23.38 | ``Erik | and hopefully enough left over for the next month *cough* |
| 13:23.45 | thing0 | hehe |
| 13:23.48 | thing0 | sure |
| 13:24.11 | ``Erik | not sure, though... people from missoura like the booze O.o |
| 13:24.41 | thing0 | ahh |
| 14:01.26 | thing0 | hmm |
| 14:01.37 | thing0 | ``Erik : One hour remaining |
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| 15:31.14 | thing0 | 7 minutes ``Erik |
| 15:31.16 | thing0 | go go go |
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| 17:55.33 | thing0 | you back ``Erik? |
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| 18:32.41 | thing0 | cya pppl |
| 18:32.43 | thing0 | bye! |
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| 20:25.31 | akreal | hello all! |
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| 20:55.37 | jimmyz | anyone in? |
| 20:58.09 | akreal | jimmyz: aloha! |
| 21:18.08 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * 10brlcad/src/mged/ (8 files): |
| 21:18.08 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: Eliminated direct access of interp->result (Not reliable since tcl 8.0). |
| 21:18.08 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: See the comment in tcl.h. |
| 21:18.08 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: This also fixes the "units" command. |
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| 21:27.42 | Daytona | sean, are you there? |
| 21:32.03 | jimmyz | anyone in now? |
| 21:32.12 | Daytona | hi |
| 21:32.17 | jimmyz | hiya |
| 21:32.24 | jimmyz | i installed brlcad yesterday |
| 21:32.39 | Daytona | any problems? |
| 21:32.51 | jimmyz | now my comp says i have a file called c:program, which may render computer unstable |
| 21:33.07 | jimmyz | the file doesn't have a suffix for file type |
| 21:33.28 | jimmyz | is it connected with the install? |
| 21:34.26 | Daytona | I've never installed in Windows, so I can't help you, but if anyone else is listening, they might help |
| 21:34.41 | jimmyz | hmm |
| 21:34.57 | jimmyz | how does brlcad compare with autocad? |
| 21:35.28 | Daytona | brlcad doesn't do drawings, it's a solid modeller |
| 21:36.33 | jimmyz | i don't follow |
| 21:36.50 | Daytona | Mostly uses CSG (components built up from combinations of simple primitive shapes) |
| 21:37.04 | Daytona | CSG == Combinatorial Solid Geometry |
| 21:37.47 | jimmyz | ok. what do you use it for |
| 21:37.54 | Daytona | Autocad does engineering drawings and some BREP (Boundary Respresentation) |
| 21:38.44 | jimmyz | hmm. i'm lost |
| 21:38.58 | Daytona | The Army uses it to create detailed 3D computer models of vehicles, which can then be interrogated via raytracing |
| 21:39.07 | jimmyz | is brlcad used for particular things like vehicles? |
| 21:39.40 | Daytona | Actually, it can be used to model any objects |
| 21:40.10 | Daytona | It has excellent raytracing capability |
| 21:40.54 | jimmyz | what is that useful for? |
| 21:42.03 | Daytona | In simualtions that model bullet paths through vehicles, or photon paths through scenes, things like that |
| 21:43.18 | jimmyz | wouldn't you need FEA to know if a bullet gets through a surface? |
| 21:44.58 | Daytona | It doesn't do the physics, just the geometry. BRL-CAD can tell you what lies along a line through the model, but another application would calculate how far along that line a bullet would penetrate |
| 21:46.27 | jimmyz | hmm |
| 21:46.32 | jimmyz | what do you use it for? |
| 21:46.44 | Daytona | I work for the Army :-) |
| 21:47.59 | jimmyz | oh right |
| 21:48.07 | jimmyz | you design vehicles? |
| 21:48.32 | Daytona | No, I work on the software used to evaluate vehicles |
| 21:49.15 | jimmyz | how does the software evaluate vehicles? |
| 21:49.16 | Daytona | That software uses BRL-CAD |
| 21:49.34 | jimmyz | crash testing? |
| 21:50.21 | Daytona | No, simulations of bullet penetration and damage. BRL-CAD supplies the vehicle geometry information. |
| 21:52.01 | jimmyz | hmm |
| 21:52.07 | jimmyz | which vehicles have you worked on? |
| 21:52.42 | Daytona | Many, unfortunately, I can't get into details here :-) |
| 21:52.52 | jimmyz | ahh |
| 21:53.42 | Daytona | BRL-CAD can also make some good images of models |
| 21:54.15 | jimmyz | if i want to design a boat would brl be suitable? |
| 21:55.20 | Daytona | If you actually want to build the boat, probably not. It can't make the required engineering drawings. |
| 21:55.59 | jimmyz | what would an engineering drawing contain that brl wouldn't do? |
| 21:56.04 | jimmyz | excuse my ignorance |
| 21:57.16 | Daytona | Engineering drawings show things like dimensions, curve radii, surface finishes, ... |
| 21:57.52 | jimmyz | brl just shows lines? |
| 21:58.13 | Daytona | BRL-CAD can do very nice colr shaded images of the model, but it won't automatically add dimensions, etc |
| 21:58.24 | Daytona | oops, I mean "coloc" |
| 21:58.38 | Daytona | That is "color" |
| 21:58.55 | jimmyz | hmm |
| 21:59.09 | jimmyz | so can't do plots from it? |
| 22:00.34 | Daytona | It can do plots, but they are different that what you would get from Autocad |
| 22:02.16 | jimmyz | so what is the use of brl without engineering drawings? |
| 22:02.21 | jimmyz | not dissing it....... |
| 22:03.34 | Daytona | It was not intended for design and build. It was originally created for the Army's use. |
| 22:03.59 | jimmyz | what was it created for then, and why did the OS it? |
| 22:04.43 | Daytona | Others have used it for things like x-ray treatment planning. |
| 22:05.17 | jimmyz | radiotherapy you mean? |
| 22:05.30 | Daytona | The Army created it for its raytracing capability. To quickly determine what lies along any line through the geometry |
| 22:05.55 | Daytona | X-Ray treatment for cancer turmors |
| 22:06.01 | jimmyz | i see |
| 22:07.07 | Daytona | You could build your boat in BRL-CAD and make images and drawings of the boat from any viewpoint. |
| 22:07.37 | Daytona | And use that boat model in another application that needed to know about boat geometry. |
| 22:08.08 | Daytona | But boat manufacturers would not find your boat model useful. |
| 22:09.16 | jimmyz | do you deal with boats at all? |
| 22:09.22 | Daytona | no |
| 22:09.33 | Daytona | That's theNavy :-) |
| 22:09.58 | jimmyz | lol |
| 22:10.09 | jimmyz | are you an engineer? |
| 22:10.32 | Daytona | No, Computer Scientist |
| 22:10.56 | Daytona | how about you? |
| 22:11.41 | jimmyz | vision science |
| 22:12.09 | jimmyz | but i have silly ideas of building a boat |
| 22:12.32 | jimmyz | complex business tho' hydrodynamics and all |
| 22:12.32 | Daytona | Now my ignorance, what is vision science? |
| 22:12.39 | jimmyz | how the brain sees |
| 22:12.43 | Daytona | Oh |
| 22:13.18 | Daytona | Yes, as I said, you can modle the geometry with BRL-CAD, but it doesn't know about physics. |
| 22:13.45 | jimmyz | which programs do? |
| 22:14.38 | akreal | Daytona: physics is weight and so on? but not color and transpacy?... |
| 22:14.42 | Daytona | Don't know what might be available free, but things like NASTRAN do FEA |
| 22:15.06 | Daytona | correct, BRL-CAD can handle color and transparency |
| 22:15.25 | jimmyz | catia? |
| 22:16.35 | Daytona | CATIA, Pro/Engineer, Unigraphics, ... are CAD systems specifically designed for design-to-build. |
| 22:17.28 | Daytona | They do mostly geometry, but connect with other packages that can do physics, kinematics, weight and balance, ... |
| 22:17.47 | jimmyz | god, it's a complicated business |
| 22:18.12 | Daytona | Sure is, that's why I stay with simple computer software!!!! |
| 22:20.10 | jimmyz | like brl? |
| 22:20.20 | Daytona | yes :-) |
| 22:20.56 | jimmyz | brl is simple? |
| 22:21.47 | Daytona | It's actually a pretty simple idea, that has a lot of tools and capabilities built up around it. |
| 22:22.23 | Daytona | It's predecessor was started in the 1970's |
| 22:23.00 | jimmyz | i saw the pic of someone on a pdp with it |
| 22:23.31 | Daytona | It was written to replace having to look through engineering drawings of vehicles to determine what wasa along a line through the vehicle |
| 22:24.08 | jimmyz | oh right |
| 22:24.15 | Daytona | One of the guys in the picture was probably Mike Muuss, the original designer of BRL-CAD |
| 22:26.43 | Daytona | got to go now, see you around |
| 22:27.06 | jimmyz | thanks a lot |
| 22:27.08 | jimmyz | nice talking |