IRC log for #brlcad on 20070619

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02:23.30 IriX64 this should say Automagically preparing build ...
02:23.50 IriX64 just came to see if .2 is out yet?
02:33.16 brlcad not quite yet
02:33.21 brlcad keep an eye on TODO
02:33.26 brlcad that has the releast stoppers in it
02:34.47 IriX64 thank you
02:35.41 brlcad i've not seen the first issue in a couple weeks so it might be gone, but the second (bezier) needs to be fixed
02:45.29 IriX64 beyond my meager talents, couple more cute pix on the blog irix32 blog
02:46.57 IriX64 forgot to enable the gui faceplate mode, ahh well
02:56.30 IriX64 facelate gui mode uploaded
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04:22.22 *** topic/#brlcad is BRL-CAD Open Source Solid Modeling || http://brlcad.org || http://sf.net/projects/brlcad || http://fisheye1.cenqua.com/browse/brlcad/brlcad || 7.10 is now released! .. e-mail announcements will follow posting of binary distributions
04:22.43 poolio sage - shape aggregating genetic engine
04:23.15 poolio sewage!
04:23.21 poolio shape evolution with a genetic engine
04:23.29 poolio I like that one
04:23.36 brlcad heh
04:24.46 poolio brlcad: any favorite names though ;)
04:26.03 poolio man. If I was a user and had to make some call to sewage_* I'd chuckle.
04:26.30 poolio I could name all the functions arbitrarily
04:26.41 poolio sewage_water, sewage_pipe, sewage_raw, etc...
04:27.22 yukonbob sewage_backup, sewage_make, sewage_cleanup
04:27.40 fgleich um....
04:27.47 poolio it could happen...
04:30.33 brlcad hmm.. etoi
04:30.43 brlcad explicit to implicit
04:31.05 poolio reminds me too much of atoi
04:31.23 poolio Doesn't have the same name as sewage.
04:31.26 poolio s/name/ring
04:32.30 brlcad something a little less filthy perhaps :)
04:33.31 brlcad betoiga => ben's explicit to implicit genetic algorithm
04:34.41 poolio kind of like jove
04:34.50 poolio geez, naming stuff is hard.
04:35.42 yukonbob swis (Swis Is Not Sewage)
04:35.44 brlcad and nirt => natalie's interactive ray-tracer
04:35.52 yukonbob er...sins
04:36.08 poolio yukonbob: Haha. we can be like Gnu :)
04:37.25 yukonbob :/ ?what does this code do anyway
04:37.44 poolio I'm not sure. Something about genetic algorithms and shapes I think
04:37.50 brlcad heh
04:38.16 yukonbob yagafs (yet another genetic algorithm for shapes)
04:38.41 poolio bogart
04:38.43 brlcad there aren't that many to warrant yet another just quite yet ;)
04:38.47 yukonbob (because there are _so_ many around)
04:38.50 yukonbob heh
04:39.18 yukonbob fomgafs (first of many...)
04:41.05 brlcad the tool takes a given model (ideally something like voxelized or polygonal data) and it searches for ways to match that shape using primitives and CSG operations .. so in effect, converts a model to an implicit representation (from whatever it was) using a genetic algorithm (which is just a fancy name for the way it searches for the matching shapes)
04:41.50 poolio bites: ben's implicit to explicit shapeamalizer
04:42.40 yukonbob deconstructor
04:43.21 brlcad taflttr -- takes a f'ing long time to run ;)
04:43.29 poolio that's for sure
04:44.04 fgleich YAY !
04:44.13 fgleich It's done
04:44.40 brlcad yay for fgleich (just don't ask him to name the tool) ;)
04:44.48 poolio purty: purty undoes ray tracing yay
04:45.18 poolio s/yay/yourself
04:45.19 poolio haha
04:47.14 poolio buses: ben's unpredictable shape evolution software
04:47.16 brlcad shaper => shape heuristic analysis pattern enhancement recognizer
04:47.23 poolio geez
04:47.25 poolio big words
04:48.30 fgleich It's taking as long to install as it did to compile
04:48.34 fgleich lol
04:48.39 fgleich almost
04:49.01 brlcad lot of tools, libraries, and data
04:49.13 fgleich yep
04:49.20 fgleich make benchmark ?
04:49.31 brlcad did you build optimized?
04:50.36 fgleich no
04:51.00 poolio uh oh. grab a cup of coffee :)
04:51.24 fgleich is that a problem ?
04:51.29 poolio brlcad: I'm off for the night. I'll be back on in a couple of hours to code, or maybe just spend all day picking a name ;)
04:51.40 brlcad fgleich: no, not a problem -- but the performance wont' be comparable
04:51.53 brlcad poolio: coolio
04:52.32 fgleich I might rebuild it later with that enabled
04:52.33 brlcad beset => ben's evolutionary shape extraction tool
04:52.52 brlcad ohh, i like that
04:53.03 brlcad ~dict beset
04:53.26 brlcad to attack on all sides, quite appropriate
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11:30.04 CIA-4 BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * 10brlcad/include/config_win.h: redefine min and max in C++ environment
11:40.14 CIA-4 BRL-CAD: 03d_rossberg * 10brlcad/ (src/librt/g_brep.cpp include/opennurbs_ext.h): VC++ 6.0 adaptions: missing return statement, parent class, etc.
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12:26.42 poolio_ mornin
12:42.57 elite01 good day
12:52.05 poolio_ how are you kin dsir?
12:53.18 elite01 i'm fine, thanks
12:53.33 elite01 you too?
12:59.17 poolio_ dandy.
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13:23.46 poolio_ wow guys. browsing the cvs source tree: src/conv has successive folders "jack" and "off"
13:27.57 ``Erik yeah
13:27.59 ``Erik we're cool like that
13:32.21 poolio_ wtf. my fan has some sort of magnet in it and when I set it next to my monitor my monitor goes crazy
13:41.42 Laniakea poolio_: does it go crazy also when the fan is not on?
13:42.03 Laniakea ``Erik: that's cool
13:47.29 poolio_ Laniakea: Just when the fan is on, so I guess it's not a magnet. I moved it further away and now all is well.
13:47.52 Laniakea poolio_: fans usually contain a squirrel cage asynchronous motor, that's the magnetic field from the motor
13:49.26 poolio_ wow. I need to learn some electronics :)
13:49.55 poolio_ The bearing is also messed up and it doesn't spin true
14:33.36 poolio uh oh. I broke code that is not mine.
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16:15.43 thing0 13 hours till plane ride
16:15.45 thing0 yay!
16:15.48 thing0 beb
16:15.51 thing0 brb
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16:48.42 poolio I forgot I was on a dual core processor and just wasted an hour debugging crap trying to figure out why there was a race condition
16:48.48 poolio d'oh.
16:53.09 poolio brlcad: do you have any punching bags in the office?
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17:25.41 thing0 hey
17:34.28 poolio hello mr. thing0
17:34.40 thing0 hello poolio
17:34.55 thing0 I fell asleep when you and brlcad were discussing stuff yesterday
17:34.56 thing0 ;)
17:37.18 poolio names?
17:37.34 poolio I think brlcad settled on beset. I'm personally a fan of sewage although that will never make it into CVS :P
17:38.03 thing0 ahh
17:40.22 thing0 ok
17:40.25 thing0 me sleep now
17:40.32 thing0 gotta be on a plane in like 11 hours
17:40.33 thing0 hehe
17:40.51 thing0 got a training course in 7 hours
17:40.52 thing0 argh
17:41.01 thing0 cya poolio
17:43.09 poolio cya
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18:00.28 poolio brlcad: if you ever come back I have a question
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19:12.01 CIA-4 BRL-CAD: 03jlowenz * 10brlcad/src/conv/iges/brlcad_brep.cpp: fix arc generation bug: openNURBS does not interpret "wrapping" angles
19:15.18 CIA-4 BRL-CAD: 03jlowenz * 10brlcad/src/librt/g_brep.cpp: fix plot routine to now show edge curves better (still needs refinement, e.g. dynamic sampling)
19:17.14 CIA-4 BRL-CAD: 03jlowenz * 10brlcad/src/other/openNURBS/opennurbs_bezier.cpp: debug and fix bezier clipping (case c) - still needs to be cleaned up and more fully debugged
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19:22.04 IriX64 brlcad, what the christ is a bezier? :)
19:23.31 archivist a curve through control points
19:23.51 IriX64 and this code is going to do that
19:25.12 IriX64 are you all mathematitions and computer scientists here?
19:27.28 IriX64 cant even spell it sigh
19:27.52 archivist I dont like to pigeon hole myself
19:28.09 IriX64 life does that for you :)
19:28.26 archivist no it doesnt
19:28.42 IriX64 waits for an explanation
19:29.05 archivist I move from programming to electronics to mechanical depends whats needed
19:29.27 IriX64 ah i see if you don't like the pigeon hole your in study for another ?
19:30.26 IriX64 must needs study another dicipline if you go about doing that
19:31.06 archivist self study/ own library
19:31.16 IriX64 similar here
19:32.51 poolio and here :)
19:33.07 IriX64 waves...hey poolio
19:33.30 IriX64 got you name chosen
19:34.03 poolio not really. Wasted around 4 hours debugging some of my own god-awful code though.
19:34.23 IriX64 not a waste if you got it working :)
19:36.14 poolio Got it working but now I'm stuck and need someone who knows certain things. *achem* brlcad
19:36.41 IriX64 poke him with a pointy stick :)
19:37.29 poolio wait. I thought I fixed it. Why is it still segfaulting?
19:37.43 IriX64 blame the 6502 ;)
19:38.06 archivist hey the 6502 is the original risc micro
19:38.13 poolio brlcad: ahoy!
19:39.07 brlcad howdy howdy
19:40.19 brlcad I didn't settle on beset, you welcome to keep brainstorming something else .. just not sewage :)
19:40.49 poolio mannnnnnn
19:40.59 poolio beset was cool though
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19:43.10 IriX64 archivist: the 6502 was what usually had to be changed in the atari 400 :)
19:47.09 poolio brlcad: get my /msg?
19:48.27 brlcad ah, yes -- you can
19:49.02 brlcad you can reuse the rtip's iirc, but you'll need separate application structures
19:52.06 poolio Might you know how? The way I was thinking about doing it was just recreating rtip
19:52.20 poolio and re-running rt_prep_parallel
19:53.18 brlcad there is a routine for duplicating rtip's too
19:54.12 poolio Also, in g_qa it has a new application structure for evert time the object is raytraced, is that the way it works? ie you can't re-use an application structure and change the ray locations?
19:54.34 poolio So duplicate the rtip after reading the database but before getting the object tree?
19:54.55 brlcad er, that's not quite what I meant
19:55.43 brlcad a single application structure is used for shooting all the rays
19:55.57 poolio Sorry for all the stupid questions, I'm just trying to learn my way around
19:55.58 brlcad you keep updating the a_ray entry
19:56.43 brlcad what you'll probably want to do is get a dbip
19:56.54 brlcad with basically is a handle on the .g
19:56.57 poolio Ok, but if you change the number of rays, can you still use the same applicaton struct?
19:57.17 brlcad then for each model you want, extract an rtip from the dbip (using rt_new_rti(dbip))
19:57.27 poolio ah okay
19:57.57 brlcad then do an rt_gettree(rtip, "whatever object") to load/prep that object
19:58.05 brlcad sorry, just load
19:58.08 poolio do I need to run rt_prep_parallel?
19:58.12 brlcad you'll need to run rt_prep to prep it
19:58.18 poolio alright cool, thanks
19:58.25 brlcad yeah, rt_prep_parallel will work too
19:58.46 brlcad take a look at g_transfer in src/gtools
19:58.52 brlcad it does something very similar
19:58.55 brlcad iirc
19:59.02 poolio I'm trying to finish the csg->voxel-like format and ray comparison for today, it's being a pain though. and i forgot i had 2 processors so ...
19:59.09 poolio ok
20:00.33 brlcad so you still thinking up a name? I'd like to get you working off cvs as soon as possible
20:03.21 poolio I haven't been thinking much about it, and my code is so awful I don't want to commmit it yet :)
20:04.39 brlcad which is all the more reason why you need to be exposing yourself more ;)
20:04.44 poolio oh boy.
20:04.51 brlcad open source is all about being open through and through ;)
20:04.57 poolio I'm fine with beset, I forget what it stood for but the definition fits the program
20:05.26 poolio Ejxpose yourself so people will clean you up :)
20:05.53 brlcad nah, everyone wants the tools and wants to see them improve
20:06.01 brlcad development "cruft" is natural
20:06.09 brlcad it's never "done", never "perfect"
20:06.32 poolio Yeah, which is why they'll clean you up
20:06.44 poolio well...i suppose
20:07.28 poolio I think I'm going to just rewrite this csg->voxel/ray comparison stuff again from scratch. Right now I have just slimmed down the g_qa tool and so the structure no longer fits the program
20:07.49 poolio also: should I try to keep it multithreaded?
20:08.09 poolio well no...parallel
20:09.23 brlcad yeah, try hard to keep it parallel
20:09.48 brlcad that'll let me test your tool on considerably faster machines
20:10.03 poolio ok. that's what messed up my entire morning, I implemented a link list not with BU_LIST and didnt use and semaphores to lock it down and a race condition developed and it kept randomly segfaulting
20:11.01 brlcad fun :)
20:12.41 poolio alright, so I'm gonna do a major refactoring/rewrite starting now and hopefully it'll all work out :)
20:16.21 IriX64 be sure to put a heatsink on the 6502 ;)
20:17.22 poolio No heatsink neccesary, it's bathing in mineral oil.
20:17.39 IriX64 heh towel dry then :)
20:29.29 IriX64 fgleich: howd you make out with your build?
20:40.44 fgleich IriX64: It built fine after I installed all the depends
20:41.14 IriX64 now you can do that job you were waiting to do :)
20:41.16 fgleich trying to figure out what it needed took a little head scratching
20:41.47 IriX64 im lucky just type autogen and do what it says ;)
20:42.04 IriX64 err +.sh
20:42.26 fgleich I did that too
20:43.02 fgleich but, some X stuff was missing and it errored out til I installed what it needed
20:44.00 IriX64 i see
20:45.56 fgleich have you tried opening up the manual from the help menu command ?
20:46.22 fgleich I guess the manual is a seperate download ?
20:46.45 fgleich brb
20:49.53 fgleich back
20:52.02 fgleich Are there some environmental things to set, like BRLCADHOME ?
20:57.00 IriX64 the manual is in pdf format too at http://brlcad.org
20:57.43 IriX64 so are the tutorials (a must)
20:59.23 IriX64 btw what version are we talking?
21:01.28 brlcad fgleich: no, there aren't any environment variables to set if you installed it correctly
21:03.35 brlcad fgleich: the help menu just tries to invoke a web browser on the html docs in the share folder -- you can open them directly too
21:04.09 IriX64 and theres always the man pages flgeich
21:04.19 brlcad they should be in /usr/brlcad/share/brlcad/7.10.0/html/
21:04.29 brlcad yeah, good point
21:04.32 brlcad loads of man pages
21:06.18 fgleich ok thanks :)
21:07.20 IriX64 is it still true that if all else fails they can ask in the channel (if they have patience) brlcad?
21:07.49 poolio brlcad: Do I need to use the register keyword in my code? Don't most compilers choose what they want to put in the register and ignore register keywords nowadays?
21:08.49 brlcad IriX64: of course, always
21:09.02 IriX64 there you go fgleich
21:10.27 brlcad poolio: they've always just been hints to the compilers
21:10.46 brlcad most all of the popular modern compilers still take those hints into account
21:10.58 poolio oh alright
21:11.07 brlcad you don't have to use them, it's really just annotating variables that are repeatedly/frequently used
21:17.38 fgleich thanks IriX64
21:17.50 IriX64 welcome
21:35.31 IriX64 elite01: are you the elite01 I know from Efnet (me as warl0ck) ?
21:35.57 elite01 IriX64, don't think so
21:36.14 IriX64 sorry same nick so i wondered
21:36.17 elite01 i'm not at efnet
21:36.30 IriX64 haven't been there for over two years
21:36.45 elite01 ah
21:37.12 elite01 i don't remember ever having been there
21:37.15 IriX64 you were building brlcad last time i saw you, get it to go?
21:38.00 IriX64 or were you using it?
21:38.19 elite01 hmm i once had some trouble building 7.10
21:38.30 IriX64 must be it
21:38.33 elite01 but i was using 7.8 before
21:39.09 IriX64 i'm still playing with both, sent my yacht out to manufactur last week :P
21:39.40 elite01 whoa :)
21:40.03 IriX64 now i have to writew some code to pay for it :)
21:40.10 IriX64 err write
21:41.00 elite01 hehe
21:41.39 IriX64 back to work, thanks for the break and sorry about the mistaken identity
21:41.47 elite01 nah no problem
21:41.54 IriX64 :)
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21:53.27 IriX64 urff my systems taken a hit somewhere along the way, both bwish and mged fail to link with tons of undefined xfunctions references
21:53.59 elite01 IriX64, ouch
21:54.03 IriX64 but 7.8.4 links, cant figure this out
21:54.11 IriX64 yeah
21:55.21 IriX64 prefer 7.8.4 do you
21:55.39 elite01 nah i generally prefer newer versions
21:55.42 elite01 if they work :)
21:56.28 elite01 psst - what's the price?
21:57.11 IriX64 your promise that you never mention me
21:57.48 elite01 do i look like i would?
21:58.05 brlcad i think IriX64's plan is to just keep complaining about 7.10 until it magically works for him
21:58.23 elite01 IriX64, there was a traitor among us
21:58.49 IriX64 did *I mention 7.10
21:58.55 elite01 brlcad, well, if it works, i hereby complaina about 7.10
21:59.09 IriX64 now magic should happen ?
21:59.13 brlcad arbitrarily changing the version string in configure.ac doesn't make a 7.8.8 real
21:59.18 elite01 in thy name of jah!
22:00.14 elite01 now, it's what i'd call tomorrow a minute ago
22:00.23 IriX64 still going though
22:00.28 brlcad elite01: I'm more than happy to investigate and fix any build system problems -- just nobody has provided a failure report that can be looked into
22:00.31 IriX64 the compile i mean
22:00.52 IriX64 it's *not your problem brlcad
22:01.10 elite01 i think 7.10 built fine here once
22:01.15 IriX64 see
22:01.40 IriX64 what system elite01?
22:02.07 elite01 fedora
22:02.27 IriX64 sorta the same i guess unix is unix
22:02.33 IriX64 well sorta
22:02.47 elite01 what've you got? mac os? :D
22:03.04 IriX64 cray-ymp :)
22:03.10 IriX64 doubles as a furnace
22:03.46 elite01 although i have no idea which model ymp is - cray does sound scary :)
22:04.03 elite01 they're building amd64 clusters now, aren't they?
22:04.04 IriX64 multi processor
22:04.16 IriX64 dunno don't keep up
22:04.40 elite01 i've sure got smp as well :)
22:05.09 IriX64 heh i have a z80 and am trying to build obn cp/m
22:05.15 IriX64 on too
22:05.41 elite01 and i thought freedos was exotic
22:06.42 IriX64 don't want to abandon 7.10 but may have no choice
22:07.32 elite01 hm
22:07.44 IriX64 brlcad you say you need a report, I ask now is there a chance ill have a proper tkWinDefault.h file any time soon?
22:08.20 brlcad IriX64: if it doesn't build, I usually care, even if the platform is the cause .. I've put a lot of effort towards making the build flexible yet functional for as wide a set of environments as possible, given the package complexity
22:08.23 elite01 well, i'd rather leave if i don't want to be late tomorrow
22:08.33 elite01 see you soon
22:08.41 IriX64 see you elite01
22:09.17 IriX64 brlcad I know its not you people im worried about,for instance mention cygwin to the x11 people what will happen?
22:11.14 IriX64 i'm forcing a build right now, but whats the point bwish and mged won't function properly becuase of those undefines in them
22:12.03 IriX64 force build is so the rest of the exes will be produced.
22:13.25 brlcad yeah, but at this point, I don't even have the faintest idea why it does or does not work
22:13.46 brlcad i've only heard random ramblings of various things you do and try, no sense of what actually went wrong _first_
22:13.59 brlcad to determine what needs to be fixed/changed, if anything
22:27.15 IriX64 ill try again and pastebin the error
22:32.56 IriX64 will take a while have to reconfigure with different cflags and remake
22:35.18 brlcad and it needs to be with a pristine copy
22:35.33 brlcad no modifications, no flags, nothing
22:35.49 IriX64 not even bsd i like that code line
22:35.52 brlcad from cvs head preferably so changes can be tested
22:36.03 IriX64 all right ill play
22:36.49 brlcad it really should work as just ./configure && make to at least give you a successful compile and console-mode mged
22:37.00 IriX64 i know
22:37.27 IriX64 logged in
22:58.05 IriX64 sigh..checking out, how, i never checked in :)
23:23.03 IriX64 if i dont edit this thing winsock.h is going to conflict with socket.h, sure you don't want any editing?
23:26.28 IriX64 put a dnl in front of winsock.h
23:26.55 IriX64 touched nothing else
23:30.46 IriX64 ill paste the ./configure summary
23:33.58 brlcad no editing
23:34.04 IriX64 right
23:34.16 brlcad that's where things start getting screwy -- if there's a conflict, it needs to be fixed
23:34.45 IriX64 whoa wait you mean winsock?
23:34.51 brlcad of course
23:36.25 IriX64 I... didn't think you would be interested in that one, most systems don't have both
23:36.44 IriX64 but ill paste that error too
23:41.17 IriX64 http://www.pastebin.ca/577579 1st problem (says to report it to you :))
23:45.10 brlcad okay, that there is just a warning and benign, but thanks for pointing it out .. i'm more concerned with errors -- where it actually stops compiling
23:45.15 IriX64 http://www.pastebin.ca/577586 summary. should i start make?
23:45.51 brlcad sure
23:46.51 IriX64 started itll take a bit but the winsock error is first to be hit
23:56.55 IriX64 forgot about tkwindefault.h http://www.pastebin.ca/577602
23:57.11 IriX64 shall i apply my patch and continue?
23:58.30 IriX64 patch I use is simply to use tkUnixDefault.h, seems to keep it happy
23:58.54 IriX64 that file is asked for in default.h in generic if you want to see it
23:59.56 brlcad no, just hold it there and i'll poke

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