IRC log for #brlcad on 20070627

00:12.26 IriX64 my apologies, it works on cygwin side, latest build but not on windows side and path is set
00:17.23 IriX64 no worries on your side this critters mine :)
02:01.28 IriX64 poolio: it's the slashes (direction of them) that's getting me i think, i'll work something out
02:37.02 CIA-4 BRL-CAD: 03johnranderson * 10brlcad/src/ (libfb/tcl.c libbu/bu_tcl.c): Eliminated more direct access of interp->result
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07:58.12 CIA-4 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/configure.ac: remove interp->result check
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09:19.02 CIA-4 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/ (6 files in 4 dirs): remove the final few remaining references to interp->result (both comments and code)
09:55.12 CIA-4 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/TODO: have not seen the walk_dispatcher bug in quite some time, so that just leaves the sketch editor holding up release
09:57.50 CIA-4 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/bench/run.sh: say where the log file is
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10:11.04 CIA-4 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/bench/Makefile.am: make clean can clean up after benchmark runs too now. encourage clean instead of clobber so that the run files are kept.
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11:59.57 AchiestDragon hi all
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14:03.44 poolio brlcad: late night commits :)
14:17.54 brlcad something like that :)
14:17.59 brlcad howdy AchiestDragon
14:18.05 brlcad AchiestDragon: funny post
14:18.16 AchiestDragon :)
14:18.20 poolio wait brlcad, did you sleep? :P
14:18.26 brlcad what's that?
14:18.50 poolio eek.
14:19.00 poolio saw premier of live free or die hard, highly recommend it
14:19.15 brlcad was thinking about that just an hour ago
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14:29.09 brlcad hello cad63
14:29.26 AchiestDragon thinks i have some dependancy problems trying archer on linux atm
14:29.40 brlcad there are issues unless you've fixed them
14:29.46 brlcad doesn't load the blt library iirc
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14:29.55 brlcad so you get a loading window, but nothing after that
14:30.07 AchiestDragon Error in startup script: couldn't load file "/usr/brlcad/lib/tkimg.so": /usr/brlcad/lib/tkimg.so: undefined symbol: png_read_des
14:30.12 AchiestDragon yes
14:30.14 brlcad ah, yeah, tkimg
14:30.16 brlcad same thing
14:30.34 AchiestDragon have a problem with mged also
14:31.41 TME I'm trying to build a demo app off of rtexample.c and am getting compiler errors when I try to call rt_builddir
14:31.55 TME Sorry, I meant rt_dirbuild
14:32.28 TME The error is g++ -I/data/vendors/brlcad-7.10.0/include/brlcad -I/data/vendors/brlcad-7.10.0/include -g -O0 -c test.cc
14:32.28 TME test.cc:31: error: at this point in file
14:32.28 TME make: *** [test.o] Error 1
14:32.38 AchiestDragon i have a matrox g200 quad head graphics card and a matrox g550 dual head card in this system , set with xinerama so the desktop is spread over 6 monitors , but the framebuffer doses not update on some of them
14:33.54 brlcad TME: does test.cc have main()? if you're linking, you need to specify the libraries too
14:33.54 AchiestDragon but that maybe this machine as i have some problems with xconfig at startup and need to work arround them at power on
14:34.43 brlcad TME: there should be an example compile line at the top of rtexample.c that includes the link
14:35.31 TME brlcad: The code links, I only get a compile failure when I add the rtip = rt_dirbuild("test.g", idbuf, sizeof(idbuf)); statement
14:36.19 brlcad TME: that makes sense if that's the first external call you're making
14:36.35 brlcad sounds like you're missing the libraries on the compile line
14:36.58 brlcad e.g. to compile rtexample, the line needs to be something like: cc -I/usr/brlcad/include/brlcad -L/usr/brlcad/lib -o rtexample rtexample.c -lbu -lrt -lm
14:37.20 TME My make goes as follows:g++ -I/data/vendors/brlcad-7.10.0/include/brlcad -I/data/vendors/brlcad-7.10.0/include -g -O0 -c test.cc
14:37.35 TME g++ -Xlinker -rpath . -Xlinker -rpath /data/vendors/brlcad-7.10.0/lib-o test.x test.o -L/data/vendors/brlcad-7.10.0/lib -lrt -lbn -lbu -lopenNURBS -ltcl8.5 -lpthread -ldl -lm
14:37.48 brlcad ah, that looks better
14:38.07 TME the error I get on compile is
14:38.53 TME did that go through
14:39.13 brlcad nope
14:39.21 brlcad try pastebinning it
14:39.25 brlcad ~pastebin
14:39.25 ibot [pastebin] a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or http://rafb.net/paste/, or http://pastebin.com is usually painfully too slow and unresponsive to use, use one of the other pastebin sites, or dpaste.com is a very nice pastebin as well
14:40.39 Laniakea brlcad: I think the bot should paste the pastebin description to pastebin. This way he's flooding the channel ;-)
14:40.52 AchiestDragon lol
14:41.03 Laniakea brlcad: does ibot have a Megahal capability?
14:41.33 TME pastebin.ca/591963
14:42.22 brlcad ~megahal
14:42.25 ibot i heard megahal is a cheap interface to an enormously huge text file full of crap or at http://ciips.ee.uwa.edu.au/~hutch/hal/
14:42.49 brlcad TME: aha, thanks
14:42.54 brlcad TME: what version are you on?
14:43.41 brlcad ah, never mind -- i see your link line
14:45.55 TME see http://pastebin.ca/591971 for example app
14:45.58 brlcad TME: I believe that issue is related to prototypes, and should be fixed on CVS HEAD .. but not in 7.10.0 -- try adding -DUSE_PROTOTYPES to your CPPFLAGS
14:46.19 TME I'll give it a go...
14:46.58 TME cool, that worked
14:47.14 brlcad great
14:47.44 TME I noticed that I had to include libopenNURBS on the link line, is that new to 7.10.0?
14:47.45 brlcad yeah, that's annoying -- still cleaning out the headers so that they don't assume our own brlcad_config.h is available
14:48.10 brlcad USE_PROTOTYPES is defined in an autoconf build usually, but not in other situations
14:48.31 TME should I move to CVS HEAD?
14:48.37 brlcad yes, openNURBS is new to 7.10.0 -- it's part of an entirely new NURBS/BREP capability
14:49.19 brlcad there should be a brlcad-config script that will tell you the libraries you need, or at least that were used
14:49.22 brlcad -L/usr/brlcad/lib -lrt -lbn -lbu -lstdc++ -ltcl -lc -lm -L/usr/local/lib -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -fexceptions -Wl,-search_paths_first -Wnewline-eof -g
14:49.25 brlcad e.g. $ brlcad-config --libs rt
14:50.00 TME cool, I just used nm until I found the missing defines
14:50.42 brlcad TME: it's up to you regarding cvs head -- things change and are fixed more rapidly there, but it's also not 100% stable 100% of the time of course because it's actively changing
14:51.09 brlcad mishaps like the jove file missing, however, are quickly fixed
14:51.32 TME ahhh, you include libstdc++ on the link-line, that's how you still use C
14:51.38 brlcad :)
14:51.51 brlcad -fexeceptions is also required if you're using gcc
14:52.07 brlcad otherwise you'll end up with internal C++ exception handlers not being resolved
14:52.26 TME generally, I build C++ apps and only use C for numeric kernels so I can use restrict for better loop unrolling
14:53.13 TME thanks for the help, I'll go give this a spin, but I'll probably be back to get some advice on building brlcad
14:53.20 TME with NVIDIA libGL
14:53.27 brlcad brl-cad's libraries are vastly C-only, performance oriented, etc -- but adding nurbs/brep support is such a major effort that it's use was warranted (and openNURBS is entirely C++)
14:54.01 brlcad if you do use CVS HEAD, I'd suggest hanging out on irc .. i'm usually here 24/7, barring a couple hours here and there
14:54.18 brlcad can generally answer these sorts of questions quickly
14:54.24 TME thanks
14:54.27 brlcad np
14:57.09 brlcad erm, I was around .. save for a few hours in the morning :)
14:57.22 poolio jah. that's when i got frustrated and tossed my monitor out the window though
14:57.43 brlcad heh
14:58.34 brlcad hm, I really should get the new website online if only to set up a knowledge base
14:58.55 brlcad for now, though, it's time for lunch me thinks
14:59.03 poolio time for my breakfast. :)
15:21.20 Laniakea the http://ciips.ee.uwa.edu.au/~hutch/hal/ link is a deadlink
15:25.18 AchiestDragon well solid modeling takes on a diferent form when you fail to have modeling software to do it http://www.achiestdragon.org/index.php?title=Image:Tinybug-outside-1.jpg&oldid=604
15:29.50 poolio AchiestDragon: cool, making a spidey?
15:30.10 AchiestDragon yes
15:33.08 brlcad AchiestDragon: nifty
15:33.43 brlcad Laniakea: yeah, I noticed.. no idea what hal was anyways other than as it relates to HAL ;)
15:34.07 Laniakea brlcad: does brl-cad already compile on OpenBSD?
15:34.15 brlcad it should with no problems
15:34.30 Laniakea brlcad: does it need some libraries it didn't need before?
15:51.21 poolio brlcad: is there a way to encapsulate data from hit() and miss() calls of the raytracer? I need to give the hit and miss calls certain parameteres but don't see any way to do that other than making them global vars?
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16:03.16 brlcad Laniakea: none come to mind, brl-cad provides all of its external dependencies for situations where they're not installed
16:03.54 brlcad only things it doesn't include are the X11, C, and curses/termcap libraries
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16:19.27 IriX64 got it poolio, works now it was the search of the path, need to set the unix path first :)
16:20.39 IriX64 http://rafb.net/p/kicshw94.html <----- see
16:22.29 IriX64 fortunatly you can mix unix path with windereze path :)
16:26.00 IriX64 is fbserv tied only to /dev/X or can you use /dev/ogl ?
16:27.26 IriX64 x framebuffer comes up
16:27.40 IriX64 ogl is missing tho
16:28.41 IriX64 let me check that tutorial :)
16:30.51 brlcad you can use any fbserv that shows up when you run fbhelp
16:31.27 brlcad it needs at least a port number and usually a framebuffer type like, fbserv 10 /dev/ogl
16:31.37 brlcad then with rt, you run rt -F10
16:33.07 IriX64 http://rafb.net/p/vSrhWH43.html all these are available then nice.
16:38.05 IriX64 -S 690 is a bit large your -S 512 is a bit better i think
16:40.28 poolio brlcad: any solution to the RT encapsulation issue? The issue is I have a nasty global that must exist and I'm not sure how that'll do on parallel systems
16:40.38 IriX64 building again heh
16:41.00 IriX64 poolio: thanks man
16:41.34 poolio IriX64: I didn't do nothing :)
16:55.59 IriX64 yeah you did you turned me on to this funky path thing :)
16:56.18 IriX64 sorry if i scared the developers
16:57.10 IriX64 the command line parsing has probably been stable and frozen for 20 years, and i go off and accuse, shame on me
17:00.20 IriX64 something else wrong tho the ogl frame buffer comes back with 3400 but no display altho the faceplate comes up on ogl
17:00.34 IriX64 x buffer is fine
17:01.43 IriX64 rt works cute
17:03.07 IriX64 haha my transplanted ls works, how sweet is that :)
17:09.33 IriX64 the irix32 blog man, first pix in the brlcad albumn
17:10.46 IriX64 the process running in the command window is a little bat file to straighten out the path thing and startup mged :)
17:12.25 IriX64 exec tclsh does something but i know squat about tcl
17:12.45 brlcad throttle it back IriX64
17:12.52 IriX64 sure sorry
17:12.53 brlcad poolio: what encapsulation issue?
17:16.41 brlcad poolio: as for having a global that "must exist", that's rarely the case but also not the end of the world ;)
17:30.16 poolio brlcad: so when you raytrace something and call rt_shootray(), it then calls two user-defined methods one for if there is a hit, and for if there is a miss. I do my ray comparison as they come in so i need the hit/miss functions to have access to the stored "source"
17:31.03 poolio But don't see a way to transmit a pointer to that data, and I can't return the data I need from the hit/miss functions because they have to return an int and my data is a fastf_t (also: is fastf_t a float) ?
17:32.01 brlcad fastf_t should be a double on most systems, though it can be set to a float or other type
17:32.10 poolio oh alright
17:35.35 brlcad poolio: you do have a means to pass around data..
17:35.44 brlcad that's the purpose of the application structure
17:35.53 brlcad which is the param to the callbacks
17:36.36 brlcad the application structure has fields for numbers, pointers, vectors, etc .. and it has custom stuff for tracking segment lists (since that's the most common need/use)
17:36.43 brlcad see include/raytace.h
17:37.01 poolio oh I didn't see a pointer that I could use
17:37.07 poolio ah genptr_t
17:37.09 poolio d'oh
17:37.31 poolio Yeah I was using a_user but guess i missed a_uptr
17:39.23 brlcad yeah, genptr_t is a void*
17:39.29 brlcad on most platforms at least
17:41.33 poolio alright hurray, thanks.
17:41.46 poolio I was probably skimming the structs looking fora n asterisk and ...
17:43.08 IriX64 is bwish a must have brlcad?
17:43.32 brlcad IriX64: for a public distribution, yes -- for personal use, no
17:43.40 IriX64 thankyou
17:43.45 brlcad only a few tools use bwish, and I don't think you've discovered them yet :)
17:43.53 IriX64 true :)
17:47.14 IriX64 public distribution.... if i tell anybody outside this channel i've got a mostly working brlcad for windows 2000 and up they'll laff me off the planet :)
17:48.31 brlcad plus, if you can't get bwish to build, then mged shouldn't build
17:48.40 brlcad dependency-wise, they're almost identical
17:48.54 IriX64 not that it doesn't build issues at runtime
17:49.52 IriX64 take it bwish is a superset of wish?
17:53.12 brlcad sort of, sure
17:53.23 IriX64 i see the & operator is required for anything you exec
17:53.28 brlcad wish with the brl-cad libraries preloaded
17:53.38 IriX64 thankyou
17:54.34 IriX64 i have the btclsh loaded how do i get a help or usage screen
17:55.55 brlcad it's a tcl shell -- there's no interactive help
17:56.24 IriX64 thankyou seems to work, complains about invalid commands anyway :)
17:56.35 brlcad if it complains, then it's probably not right :)
17:56.46 IriX64 i'll arrest it
17:56.52 brlcad oh, unless you mean when you give it invalid commands
17:57.04 brlcad if it writes messages when you just start it though, then something's probably not right
17:57.07 IriX64 true i know not what is valid
17:57.20 IriX64 no messages just a pid
17:57.50 IriX64 and prompt says mged> is that accurate?
17:58.24 brlcad not unless you ran mged
17:58.42 IriX64 i did then exec btclsh &
17:58.55 brlcad oh, you mean from within mged??
17:59.00 IriX64 yes
17:59.02 brlcad that won't work
17:59.09 IriX64 it does :)
17:59.15 poolio sph(i35.s): zero length A(0.000199928), B(0.000199928), or C(0.000199928) vector
17:59.19 brlcad at least it won't do anything it's supposed to
17:59.25 poolio that's not zero!
17:59.31 brlcad you're trying to run an interpreter in an interpreter
17:59.37 IriX64 yes
17:59.48 brlcad you backgrounded it, so it you don't get the error, but you also can't talk to it
17:59.51 brlcad which is useless
18:00.02 IriX64 but it talks back :)
18:00.07 IriX64 along with mged
18:00.22 brlcad it just "writes" back .. you just made a process you can't communicate with
18:00.32 brlcad you can't even directly kill it
18:00.39 IriX64 so why does it tell me invalid command
18:00.54 brlcad huh? why does what tell you invalid command?
18:01.00 IriX64 btclsh
18:01.09 brlcad you're not in btclsh!
18:01.14 IriX64 ok
18:03.36 IriX64 http://rafb.net/p/LIUt1z76.html <--- i mean i know i'm slow but i'm not blind yet.
18:06.17 IriX64 ctrl-c gets me out
18:15.56 brlcad help only works on mged commands, btclsh is not an mged command so no help
18:16.36 brlcad doing "exec btclsh &" is entirely useless .. you can't talk to that btclsh instance
18:16.54 brlcad it will print its output is all
18:16.57 brlcad which is a prompt
18:17.02 brlcad you can't type on that prompt though
18:17.14 brlcad which is what I said earlier -- it writes back, but you can't talk to it
18:18.54 brlcad poolio: it should probably say "near zero length" -- it's below the current computation tolerance
18:19.24 brlcad a sphere with a 0.01mm radius
18:19.58 poolio brlcad: Well it completely thrases the program and tries to dump a stack trace and always fails and eats CPU until I kill it
18:20.13 poolio brlcad: I guess I'll do my own error checking on it so that doesn't happen
18:20.48 brlcad hmm, sounds like something else is wrong elsewhere
18:21.02 poolio brlcad: No, rand() just came up with a really low number
18:21.14 poolio and it keeps coming up with it cause I'm using the same seed and bn_random
18:21.27 poolio but there are other bugs i'm working on ...
18:21.41 brlcad ah
18:21.57 brlcad bn_random is going to give you numbers normalized between 0 -> 1
18:22.11 brlcad those shouldn't be primitive parameters :)
18:22.16 poolio Yes I know, and I multiply it by some scalar, but if that number is close to zero...
18:22.33 poolio brlcad: They aren't, I guess I'll set some minimum and have MIN + SCALE * rand
18:22.42 brlcad sure, there's an absolute minimum size for each primitive
18:22.58 brlcad just take the case of zero even .. if it hits zero you can have lots of badness
18:23.08 poolio yeah...
18:24.25 poolio There's something messed up with my raytrace comparison ... and I was so sure it was bulletproof...
18:24.41 poolio 4: r:1.30367 f:96
18:24.41 poolio 5: r:6.69046 f:96
18:24.53 poolio fitness should be proportional to radius ergggh
18:26.06 brlcad :)
18:26.48 poolio Everything was working and then when I cleaned up the code and added random generation. BOOM. I think I need to do a bit more design before I start coding in the future
18:29.12 IriX64 screwed up the mug again but it did save the database, I'm happy :)
18:46.12 IriX64 http://irix32.spaces.live.com/photos the brlcad albumn first 3 pix, all done entirely on the windows side of the box
19:01.16 IriX64 you know you should put some recent pictures up on your web page, yours are so interesting
19:02.25 brlcad that takes a lot of effort
19:02.47 IriX64 really? not screen shot utility for unix?
19:04.09 IriX64 give them to me, i'll send back a .png for you :)
19:04.40 brlcad the images are easy
19:04.44 brlcad i have hundreds of images
19:05.01 brlcad getting approval to release them takes a lot of effort
19:05.16 IriX64 ok now i understand
19:05.48 IriX64 too many people can download them is that it?
19:07.56 IriX64 thanks for stryker it just became my wallpaper :)
19:09.05 poolio brlcad: off topic: any suggestions for a keyboard? My current one is dying and the keys are sticking so I'm off to buy one later today :)
19:09.44 archivist remove crumbs from kb
19:10.06 poolio archivist: keyboard is beyond repair, i've taken the kesy off and cleaned and put back, i think the springs are dying
19:10.12 archivist but the remote logitech has lasted well for me
19:10.22 poolio and i dont like using my laptop keyboard when it's plugged into my monitor
19:10.29 poolio yeah i'm debating whether to try out an ergonomic one
19:12.16 IriX64 http://irix64.spaces.live.com/photos stuff albumn pix of my stryker desktop
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19:29.38 IriX64 wherever clock is, i'm sorry if i made him popular, but he gave his ok ;)
19:29.55 brlcad poolio: i'm a bit partial to the mac pro keyboard (and it works with linux, windows, etc)
19:30.05 brlcad great tactile response
19:30.47 brlcad Das Keyboard II is fun too
19:38.22 IriX64 man, how many framebuffers can i use :)
19:40.24 poolio brlcad: yeah I don't really like the mac pro keyboards, the keys are too close together for me or something
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19:57.47 IriX64 if you honor -DSOLARIS, your solaris specific code passes muster
20:00.43 brlcad that define doesn't do anything
20:01.00 IriX64 no support behind it?
20:01.06 IriX64 i didnt check
20:01.09 brlcad it doesn't mean anything
20:01.15 brlcad might as well do -DIrix64
20:01.27 brlcad you can't just make up names :)
20:01.42 brlcad well you can, but that doesn't mean they'll do anything at all
20:01.45 poolio -DDEBUG =P
20:01.53 IriX64 understood.
20:02.48 brlcad i imagine you saw -DBSD and thought that meant something .. if you did, it doesn't mean what you think it means
20:03.07 IriX64 thanks man i learn here
20:04.17 IriX64 well i have an exact same build then as with -DBSD right as well as without -D anything at all, i've learned
20:04.51 brlcad because bsd refers to calling api semantics
20:05.06 brlcad bsd vs sysv style, which most platforms support both these days
20:05.27 brlcad aside from just most of the code that used BSD now no longer uses it
20:06.29 IriX64 think i'll throw a -DSYSV5 in there to prove that to myself, shouldn't crash right
20:06.45 brlcad you're still making up symbols :P
20:06.50 IriX64 heh
20:06.59 brlcad that won't do jack
20:07.15 IriX64 looks pretty
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20:12.41 IriX64 brlcad this silly thing is insisting i have sgigl again wasn't anything i did
20:13.44 IriX64 i just comment out the define in brlcad_config.h for now is seems to be sufficient
20:55.33 IriX64 http://irix32.spaces.live.com/photos 1st 2 pictures are rtedge in action
21:01.48 IriX64 is there no dwg to g tool?
21:27.03 IriX64 http://rafb.net/p/rEyujP49.html <--- you were right, it's gotten this far with no effect :)
21:30.28 IriX64 problem i have now is how to display a stackdump
21:31.26 IriX64 hmmm mc for windows?
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22:01.40 IriX64 trying to rename the root folder of cygwin while i'm doing a copy from a folder in there, sheeesh :)
22:03.25 IriX64 btw mc crossed (I'm happy as a lark, people will be able to view stackdumps and whatnot)
22:04.26 IriX64 not that brlcad ever produces stackdumps *ahem :)
22:06.39 IriX64 gotta reboot for this, l8r
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22:55.44 IriX64 mc is out (i'm not going to delve into the code to make it work) relies too heavily on the *nix directory structure
22:56.18 IriX64 ill have them e-mail stack dumps
23:05.59 IriX64 without the cygwin folder i successfully brought up the faceplate and a framebuffer i'm happy
23:06.20 IriX64 using Xwin32 no cygwin-x
23:16.55 IriX64 geometry works rt works what else can i try that would make this thing work for you?
23:20.19 IriX64 ls is looking for tmp sigh
23:21.46 IriX64 no it's not it's gone again sigh gotta stop moving things around, cy'all l8r

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