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| 00:12.31 | thing0 | hey all |
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| 00:55.26 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/lsyiB710.html <---- a useless snippet of how my compile is going :) |
| 01:01.02 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/noX0mO67.html <--- something i'll have to fix, you should too |
| 01:02.03 | IriX64 | there are 5 more in qray.c too, interested? |
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| 01:02.40 | IriX64 | and vdraw.c |
| 01:04.29 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/cc4gGp46.html <--- these |
| 01:05.57 | thing1 | bacl |
| 01:05.59 | thing1 | *back |
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| 01:26.18 | IriX64 | is Cygwin a viable platform to run brlcad on :P |
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| 01:28.34 | IriX64 | if your browser allows it take a peek at http://irix32.spaces.live.com (2 albumns there) |
| 01:42.24 | AchiestDragon | no problems uing konquror to access that site |
| 01:47.45 | AchiestDragon | but firefox definatly does not like it |
| 01:48.57 | AchiestDragon | msn messing arround with xml so firefox fails i bet |
| 01:52.58 | AchiestDragon | http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Firix32.spaces.live.com%2F |
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| 01:57.21 | AchiestDragon | and by the errors it looks that way eather that or msn canot write web pages ,, actualy looks a bit like starting a perl script with the first line in it beeing !python |
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| 02:03.16 | IriX64 | no idea whats up take it up with microsoft it's their script :) |
| 02:03.30 | IriX64 | neat the way it works tho |
| 02:03.37 | IriX64 | to update i mean |
| 02:04.31 | IriX64 | opera loads it fine (they missed a couple :P) |
| 02:05.06 | IriX64 | windows firefox also loads it go figure |
| 02:05.20 | AchiestDragon | well i find i dont have problems with konquror 99% of the time where with firefox its 75% of the time , i dont use ie unless nothing else works |
| 02:05.43 | IriX64 | i use first one that works :) |
| 02:06.13 | IriX64 | anybody got an old copy of netscape? |
| 02:06.20 | AchiestDragon | i use konquror as my default browser and prefer it |
| 02:06.44 | IriX64 | I don't browse much anyway |
| 02:07.38 | AchiestDragon | what version of netscape , and what os , think i have a few versions of it arround someware |
| 02:07.59 | IriX64 | dos netscapev1.0a |
| 02:08.05 | IriX64 | :) |
| 02:08.11 | AchiestDragon | :) |
| 02:08.34 | IriX64 | i actually do have trumpet around here somewhere |
| 02:09.03 | AchiestDragon | dont have that , have a beta of the first linux version of it on a disk someware though |
| 02:09.37 | IriX64 | someware i like it i'll call anything i develop someware from someware labs :) |
| 02:11.10 | AchiestDragon | since moving i have managed to misplace a large portion of my old cd's still have to get them sorted out , probablay still at the ex's |
| 02:11.57 | IriX64 | i've gotta play cable swap one day and install my 5.25" drive and recover a lot of stuff and burn it to cd |
| 02:12.17 | IriX64 | silly asus left the b drive out of their bios |
| 02:12.33 | thing1 | hehe |
| 02:12.58 | IriX64 | the a drive supports 5.25 tho kudos to them |
| 02:13.52 | thing1 | :) |
| 02:14.01 | IriX64 | I know microsoft didn't take out 5.25 support, if they did i'll put it back ;) |
| 02:14.13 | thing1 | hehe |
| 02:14.19 | AchiestDragon | i only have 2 machines with a 3.5" floppy left in them , but not used a flopy in the last 2 years |
| 02:14.50 | IriX64 | still uses for them i.e sneakernet when bringing a new system up |
| 02:15.10 | AchiestDragon | and mostly now its transfering cd data to dvd's |
| 02:15.35 | AchiestDragon | ho for optical cube drives |
| 02:15.40 | IriX64 | thats something I don't have yet (read children get it first) |
| 02:17.14 | AchiestDragon | well for the cost when i put a system together may as well put a dvdr in it rather than a cdr theres verry little cost diference now |
| 02:17.49 | AchiestDragon | and for backup well 4Gb beats 700mb per disk |
| 02:17.49 | IriX64 | true but i wish dvd's could read cd's |
| 02:17.58 | IriX64 | yes |
| 02:18.39 | AchiestDragon | the dvdw drives do cd, cdr , cdrw ,dvd , dvdr and dvdrw |
| 02:19.00 | IriX64 | how pricey? |
| 02:19.04 | AchiestDragon | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:19.37 | AchiestDragon | like £30 for a good one and as low as £18 for a cheap one |
| 02:19.55 | AchiestDragon | a cdrw is about £10 to £20 |
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| 02:20.05 | AchiestDragon | GBP |
| 02:20.21 | IriX64 | mult by 2 for here then? |
| 02:22.04 | AchiestDragon | http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=571850 |
| 02:22.56 | AchiestDragon | that place nolonger sells cd only drives |
| 02:26.05 | IriX64 | how do they handle shipping to the "colonies" :) |
| 02:26.26 | IriX64 | i'm a little slow to cut and paste unix style |
| 02:26.55 | IriX64 | suppose i could just read this page :) |
| 02:27.53 | IriX64 | they sure have a selection |
| 02:28.46 | IriX64 | ahh well one day I too will have a dvdrw |
| 02:30.02 | AchiestDragon | if you make a sails support queary they should be able to give you info about postage , i know ther will be no vat to pay on exports but you may have inport tax |
| 02:30.25 | IriX64 | and maybe duty? |
| 02:31.17 | AchiestDragon | inport tax / duty yes , depends on your local rouls on that |
| 02:31.52 | IriX64 | I'll try local first but thanks for the site |
| 02:32.46 | AchiestDragon | the stink we get here when inporting goods is the carriers chage a £40 fixed rate for processing inport tax , even if theres only £10 of tax |
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| 02:33.53 | IriX64 | same you have to go through a imort agent here depending where it's from |
| 02:34.01 | IriX64 | err import |
| 02:34.02 | AchiestDragon | so £100 about $200usd product including shipping gets to be £157 that makes it more like $300usd |
| 02:34.18 | IriX64 | i see |
| 02:35.27 | AchiestDragon | it only starts to work out better when you oder goods of over £1000 that sort of hides the £40 charge |
| 02:36.01 | IriX64 | mmmm i still would have a heart attack :) |
| 02:39.02 | IriX64 | I *do so like my stryker wallpaper, thankyou aberdeen :) |
| 02:39.56 | IriX64 | theres a shot of my desktop with that wallpaper on the Irix32 site brlcad albumn i think |
| 02:40.53 | AchiestDragon | try http://www.achiestdragon.org4/index.php?title=Image:Splat.jpg&oldid=128 |
| 02:41.19 | IriX64 | IriX32 is only half of me, IriX64 is the whole of me, just like 42 is only half the answer the whole answer is 84 |
| 02:41.37 | AchiestDragon | it gives a nice optical illusion as you move eather towards or away from the screen |
| 02:43.55 | AchiestDragon | i did that with the gimp and kriter |
| 02:46.12 | IriX64 | the page cannot be displayed :( |
| 02:46.36 | AchiestDragon | try http://www.achiestdragon.org/index.php?title=Image:Splat.jpg&oldid=128 opps link wrong |
| 02:48.00 | IriX64 | what is that? what is that? (I call it the colorfull vortex of the mind :)) |
| 02:48.49 | AchiestDragon | yes , it was and attempt to get an image that looked something like the stress pattens when you press on a lcd screen |
| 02:50.06 | AchiestDragon | i only did it at 1600*1200 though |
| 02:56.58 | IriX64 | you did a good job are you an artist? |
| 02:57.08 | AchiestDragon | i call it splat i was just experimenting with the effect filters |
| 02:57.22 | IriX64 | with gimp? |
| 02:57.40 | AchiestDragon | i do some art when im in the mood but not as a main pastime |
| 02:58.06 | AchiestDragon | the gimp its the gnome art program , and kritter is the kde one |
| 02:58.41 | AchiestDragon | i was doing some beta testing on kritter when i did that one |
| 02:59.13 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/hkEbpg81.html <--- here's what i just built :) |
| 03:00.07 | IriX64 | hah and it actully works |
| 03:00.23 | AchiestDragon | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:00.47 | IriX64 | just a sec trying this thing out |
| 03:00.55 | AchiestDragon | k |
| 03:02.27 | IriX64 | what do you mean i can upload it? :) |
| 03:03.16 | IriX64 | lets wreak some havoc :P |
| 03:04.44 | IriX64 | tiniest frame buffer i ever saw chortle |
| 03:05.14 | IriX64 | haha it actually fit it in there |
| 03:05.37 | IriX64 | would you like me to e-mail you the picture? |
| 03:06.29 | AchiestDragon | me ? |
| 03:06.42 | IriX64 | wait i'll put it on irix32 |
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| 03:08.44 | IriX64 | http://irix32.spaces.live.com/photos the brlcad pix 1st pix is this new build |
| 03:13.02 | IriX64 | would anybody mind if i switch to mirc it's so much easier to just double click a url than this cut and paste stuff? |
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| 03:14.09 | louipc | IriX64: what were you using before? |
| 03:14.54 | IriX64 | irssi |
| 03:15.06 | louipc | nice |
| 03:15.17 | IriX64 | very just not used to it |
| 03:16.42 | IriX64 | back to playing with brlcad (I'll learn how to use it eventually, the concept of drawing with algebra is foreign to me) |
| 03:21.30 | IriX64 | ive got that irssi package for windows on my ftp server, now if only sympatico would get their act in gear and enable anonymous logins :) |
| 03:26.16 | IriX64 | windowsirssi.zip i wonder if anybody would actually want it, oh well it's there |
| 03:29.45 | louipc | maybe linux users that have to use windows at work or something |
| 03:30.18 | louipc | what does sympatico have to do with anon logins? |
| 03:30.33 | louipc | oh they're hosting the server huh? |
| 03:30.58 | IriX64 | they let me have a spot :) |
| 03:31.36 | IriX64 | try the irix32 site, brlcad albumn proving to myself rot 45 45 45 still works |
| 03:32.37 | louipc | I can't view that page. it uses non-standard XML and my browser is very picky about it |
| 03:32.57 | IriX64 | where can i upload or e-mail to you? |
| 03:33.49 | IriX64 | break time |
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| 03:47.51 | IriX64 | should scare you and login with opera :P |
| 03:49.08 | IriX64 | AchiestDragon may I upload something to that link? |
| 03:49.56 | AchiestDragon | on http://www.achiestdragon.org ? |
| 03:50.07 | IriX64 | no the plant link |
| 03:50.35 | IriX64 | No file by this name exists, you can upload it. |
| 03:50.46 | IriX64 | from your url |
| 03:52.34 | IriX64 | does it have to be a picture i could let you have windowsirssi.zip. |
| 03:53.09 | AchiestDragon | its a wiki its part of the my site www.achiestdragon.org if you go to upload file then yes but you need to be loged in to do that |
| 03:53.21 | AchiestDragon | its set for zip and pdf files also |
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| 03:53.39 | IriX64 | do you want/need irssi.zip? |
| 03:54.11 | AchiestDragon | not realy |
| 03:54.59 | IriX64 | something tells me i stepped in it, sorry. |
| 03:55.14 | AchiestDragon | np |
| 03:55.37 | IriX64 | must I call you Mr./Mam :P |
| 03:56.15 | AchiestDragon | did the plant pic show ok ? |
| 03:56.28 | IriX64 | really there was no pic |
| 03:56.30 | louipc | something is really messed up I keep on timing out |
| 03:57.33 | AchiestDragon | http://www.achiestdragon.org/index.php?title=Image:Plant.jpg&oldid=125 |
| 03:58.02 | AchiestDragon | it shows here and its a local connecton to the server here , refreshes ok |
| 03:58.09 | IriX64 | louipc try an alternate server |
| 03:58.23 | IriX64 | nice and i like the crocodile |
| 03:58.39 | IriX64 | is that a collar round it's neck |
| 03:59.46 | AchiestDragon | best viewed at 100% zoom on the original theres a lot of stuff in the details like the plant roots |
| 04:00.36 | IriX64 | i see a lot of things, baby crocs for example :) |
| 04:03.02 | IriX64 | pleasure by the way |
| 04:03.15 | AchiestDragon | i did quite a few pics trying stuff out , but the mouse is not the best input device for it , im more used to doing pencil schetches , realy need a good graphics tablet but at over £400 for a hafl decent one its a bit mutch to concidder for someting that only gets occasional use |
| 04:04.05 | IriX64 | true consider a light pen device though |
| 04:05.00 | AchiestDragon | well i realy need one for cad applications also |
| 04:05.38 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/librt/ (nirt.c qray.c vdraw.c): NULL != 0, quell warnings |
| 04:05.38 | IriX64 | ahh i like the maestro in the clouds in the background complete with baton :) |
| 04:06.21 | IriX64 | how long did that take you? |
| 04:06.35 | IriX64 | to draw i mean |
| 04:07.08 | AchiestDragon | that took 2 days and did about 12hrs a day |
| 04:07.24 | IriX64 | ouch long hours but looks worth the effort |
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| 04:08.36 | IriX64 | whoop +2 (chortle) |
| 04:09.20 | AchiestDragon | well when i split with the ex i was back at my parents for a while , so had lots of time and not mutch that i could fill it with |
| 04:10.06 | IriX64 | you talent shows man . |
| 04:10.18 | brlcad | AchiestDragon: interesting image .. |
| 04:12.23 | brlcad | IriX64: thanks for pointing out the warnings |
| 04:12.35 | brlcad | though... you could have probably fixed those and provided a patch ;) |
| 04:12.35 | IriX64 | nice wiggler, caught much with it ? |
| 04:12.49 | AchiestDragon | lol |
| 04:12.49 | brlcad | no, it was harmless, but might as well clean it up |
| 04:12.57 | AchiestDragon | its for jtag programming |
| 04:13.05 | AchiestDragon | and debug |
| 04:13.14 | brlcad | s/debug/background/ |
| 04:13.27 | AchiestDragon | ty |
| 04:13.32 | IriX64 | its your freakin picture :) |
| 04:18.07 | IriX64 | brlcad: i can't sew ergo no patches from me :) |
| 04:19.21 | brlcad | you could make a patch if you wanted |
| 04:19.27 | brlcad | cvs will do it for you |
| 04:20.06 | brlcad | you edit a file from a cvs checkout, then run "cvs diff -u filename.c > filename.patch" |
| 04:20.12 | IriX64 | don't know cvs that well, but i must admit i'm curious as to how thats done |
| 04:20.16 | brlcad | that will create a patch file named filename.patch |
| 04:20.34 | IriX64 | interesting |
| 04:20.36 | brlcad | give it a try, edit some random file, run cvs diff -u |
| 04:20.56 | brlcad | a patch is just a simple text file saying what it was before and after |
| 04:20.57 | IriX64 | have to be logged in first right |
| 04:21.09 | IriX64 | in proper dir |
| 04:21.38 | IriX64 | i don't play with cvs much just update and go |
| 04:24.54 | AchiestDragon | 6am time for a nap , nn |
| 04:26.16 | brlcad | IriX64: you only log in once |
| 04:26.20 | brlcad | AchiestDragon: cya! |
| 04:27.04 | brlcad | SuperTaz: good comments on the website.. :) |
| 04:35.56 | IriX64 | tried to do midnight commander for windows, failed miserably, it's too entrenched in the unix file hierarchy |
| 04:36.08 | IriX64 | sp |
| 04:38.05 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/hjPt7o36.html <--- this tho is doable, I don't have the support files yet though |
| 04:41.26 | IriX64 | should do a dump specs . |
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| 04:45.17 | IriX64 | retrieving my patches :P |
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| 05:26.29 | IriX64 | any pictures done by brl-cad of the space station? I'd love to have that for wallpaper |
| 05:27.09 | brlcad | IriX64: not that I'm aware of |
| 05:27.51 | brlcad | the only space model I'm aware of actually is the one of the hubble space telescope |
| 05:28.13 | IriX64 | guess i'll have to visit nasa or jet propulsion labs again :) |
| 05:28.35 | IriX64 | I saw the hubble and have it i prefer the station |
| 05:31.44 | IriX64 | suppose i could read the docs but it's easier to ask someone who knows, I've never run the test suite, just what does it do (remembering that the fastest way to get something acomplished is to give it to a lazy slob to do) :) |
| 05:41.41 | brlcad | it runs a bunch of integration tests |
| 05:41.57 | brlcad | makes sure some of the basic tools work as expected |
| 05:42.07 | brlcad | it's not a big deal to run it, give it a got |
| 05:42.10 | brlcad | s/got/go/ |
| 05:54.05 | IriX64 | I will soons it finishes building again |
| 06:27.33 | IriX64 | asc2g running must be almost done |
| 06:29.16 | IriX64 | it's installing roughly how long should make test take? |
| 06:29.37 | brlcad | only takes a couple minutes |
| 06:29.46 | IriX64 | ok |
| 06:29.52 | brlcad | dtidrow_work: my configure line earlier today was: ./configure --enable-optimized CFLAGS=-falign-loops=16 -falign-jumps=16 -falign-functions=16 -falign-jumps-max-skip=15 -falign-loops-max-skip=15 -malign-natural -ffast-math -fr |
| 06:29.56 | brlcad | eorder-blocks -freorder-blocks-and-partition -mtune=pentium4 |
| 06:30.04 | brlcad | of course, quoting the CFLAGS var |
| 06:30.52 | IriX64 | heh all i use is --enable-optimize --enable-optimizations |
| 06:31.12 | brlcad | those two do the same thing |
| 06:31.19 | IriX64 | compiler uses -msse and -msse2 |
| 06:31.39 | brlcad | it autodetects and uses it if it works |
| 06:31.44 | IriX64 | yes |
| 06:32.09 | brlcad | only matters in the new nurbs/brep code |
| 06:32.41 | IriX64 | i've never compared numbers before, was just curious what make benchmark did :) |
| 06:45.39 | IriX64 | oh man quarter of three |
| 06:49.13 | IriX64 | well i typed it |
| 06:50.06 | IriX64 | heh interesting |
| 06:51.54 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/yyS2PR59.html <---- there you go |
| 06:52.34 | IriX64 | bedtime nite |
| 06:57.25 | brlcad | again, "success" pastings aren't useful .. i know *exactly* what it looks like as I see it over and over and over and .... |
| 06:57.37 | brlcad | but I'm glad you got it working, and succeeded |
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| 07:28.14 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: Didin't catch you yesterday fully, since you have got the final decision: What do you think of the website I made, does it need improving and what shall I do now? http://82.7.33.28/drupal-5.1/ |
| 07:31.31 | MinuteElectron | I really don't mind if you think it is complete crap, it will help me refine my ideas. |
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| 07:37.30 | thing0 | hey |
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| 08:28.12 | brlcad | MinuteElectron: I really like it, but think it does still need more too |
| 08:28.29 | MinuteElectron | Yeah, could you give me an idea as to what? |
| 08:28.54 | brlcad | i came back several hours ago looking forward to seeing the site.. I suppose you're running the web server off of a desktop/laptop that you shut off? :) |
| 08:29.20 | MinuteElectron | Yeah, sorry about that - it is currently running on this machine. |
| 08:29.29 | MinuteElectron | I shut it down for the night. |
| 08:29.42 | brlcad | figured as much :) |
| 08:31.23 | MinuteElectron | So, any ideas? |
| 08:35.21 | brlcad | yeah, I think the layout is what I'm having trouble with at the moment .. it's a blend of two or three styles, and the mix is making it quirky |
| 08:35.36 | brlcad | tell me which of these did you really like best? |
| 08:35.43 | brlcad | http://meta.theme.drupaler.net/about |
| 08:35.53 | brlcad | http://csszengarden.com/?cssfile=http://www.giannimania.it/zengarden/sample.css |
| 08:36.17 | brlcad | http://haiku-os.org/ |
| 08:36.45 | brlcad | that's it, of those |
| 08:37.31 | brlcad | not the graphics or colors per-se, but the layout and structural elements |
| 08:38.15 | MinuteElectron | I think the first one. |
| 08:38.58 | brlcad | that one is also nearly identical (structurally) to haiku's |
| 08:39.30 | MinuteElectron | yeah |
| 08:39.37 | brlcad | they both have a "top title area" with an embedded menu |
| 08:40.02 | MinuteElectron | hmm, let me try something. |
| 08:40.07 | brlcad | separate panels and navigation areas |
| 08:42.33 | MinuteElectron | Can you give me the link to that page of logos again please. |
| 08:42.45 | brlcad | I can work up the artwork for that title area if you want, that might help |
| 08:43.00 | MinuteElectron | yeah |
| 08:43.02 | brlcad | http://my.brlcad.org/~sean/websites.html |
| 08:43.27 | MinuteElectron | I meant the actual logos. |
| 08:43.36 | MinuteElectron | I only have the 256x212 one |
| 08:43.38 | brlcad | ooh, the logo dir |
| 08:43.42 | brlcad | sure |
| 08:44.01 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/images/logo/ |
| 08:44.05 | MinuteElectron | thanks |
| 08:45.03 | MinuteElectron | So you are going to make artwork? |
| 08:45.19 | brlcad | sure I can do that |
| 08:45.27 | MinuteElectron | what will it look like? |
| 08:45.40 | brlcad | you tell me |
| 08:46.05 | brlcad | using http://meta.theme.drupaler.net/about and http://haiku-os.org/ as example drivers -- their main difference is tone |
| 08:47.07 | brlcad | bold/strong vs subtle/soft |
| 08:47.14 | MinuteElectron | hmm |
| 08:47.52 | brlcad | I can make artwork for either, but the design is in your hands as to what you need |
| 08:48.08 | MinuteElectron | haiku is probably the best IMO |
| 08:48.37 | brlcad | they use drupal too, btw |
| 08:48.43 | MinuteElectron | cool |
| 08:49.01 | MinuteElectron | you could make it use the logo on the far right, with BLR-CAD beside it, and underneath BRL-CAD put the tagline |
| 08:49.05 | brlcad | though they've almost entirely hidden that fact on the website |
| 08:49.24 | MinuteElectron | hehe |
| 08:49.59 | brlcad | their image screenshots are actually a perfect integration of Gallery (e.g. http://haiku-os.org/about/faq) |
| 08:52.47 | brlcad | so for the top area, titlebar running across the top .. |
| 08:53.12 | MinuteElectron | yeah |
| 08:53.41 | MinuteElectron | it should probably be sandwhiched against the top, left and right of the page (no whitespace). |
| 08:53.50 | brlcad | did you want it to be wrapped like meta or take up the entire area like haiku |
| 08:53.59 | brlcad | okay |
| 08:54.18 | MinuteElectron | hehe |
| 08:55.01 | brlcad | which quadrant for the menu, which for the title? |
| 08:55.50 | brlcad | meta used top left and bottom left respectively, for example - haiku uses bottom right and center left |
| 08:57.16 | MinuteElectron | I guess title would be top left, the navigation could be either bottom right or bottom left. if the navigation was botom right then the title would then have to be middle left |
| 08:57.30 | MinuteElectron | but that would probably look to much like haiku |
| 08:58.02 | brlcad | don't worry about looking like them, more important to be effective |
| 08:58.35 | MinuteElectron | ok, then center left and bottom right, alternatively top left and bottom left. |
| 08:59.01 | MinuteElectron | if you are doing bottom right then the image has to be somehow adaptable so it looks ok in all resolutions (like the one on haiku) |
| 08:59.59 | brlcad | okay, last detail is whether content area is going to be dark on light or light on dark |
| 09:00.36 | brlcad | as it affects title area color selection |
| 09:00.43 | MinuteElectron | I think light on dark since (from what I have seen of the screenshots) BRL-CAD appears to use darker colors. |
| 09:01.36 | brlcad | that alone will make it look drastically different than haiku's, so more reason to not worry about it being structurally similar :) |
| 09:01.46 | MinuteElectron | :D |
| 09:02.25 | brlcad | that's also "kind of" the approach taken on http://blender.org too |
| 09:08.49 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: You are incorporating the navigation into your artwork right? |
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| 09:09.50 | brlcad | MinuteElectron: as a mock-up layer |
| 09:09.56 | MinuteElectron | ok |
| 09:10.03 | brlcad | how that translates to css will probably be pretty different |
| 09:24.30 | brlcad | alrighty, this is going to take me a while and I need to rest my hands and eyes a bit before I get too deep :) |
| 09:24.42 | MinuteElectron | ok |
| 09:24.46 | brlcad | should have something later today hopefully |
| 09:25.27 | MinuteElectron | cool, can i just ask quickly, where is the visual studio project in cvs/ |
| 09:25.56 | brlcad | for your layout, I'll probably have four elements so you can prepare the css -- the title itself, the left background, the right background, and the menu area |
| 09:26.05 | brlcad | MinuteElectron: it's in misc/ |
| 09:26.08 | MinuteElectron | ok |
| 09:26.17 | brlcad | there are actually two |
| 09:26.41 | brlcad | a vc6 project that does a splendid job of building the libraries |
| 09:27.13 | brlcad | and a vc7 project that doesn't do as well, but does build about 30 of the binaries one generally needs/wants/expects |
| 09:27.23 | brlcad | including the modeller |
| 09:27.23 | MinuteElectron | ok |
| 09:27.26 | MinuteElectron | cool |
| 09:27.28 | MinuteElectron | the left and right backgrounds are for just the navigation right? |
| 09:27.34 | brlcad | so unless you're writing code, you'll probably want the vc7 |
| 09:27.48 | brlcad | left and right backgrounds are so you can make it expanding |
| 09:28.15 | MinuteElectron | yeah, but just for the nav right? |
| 09:28.31 | MinuteElectron | *header |
| 09:28.33 | brlcad | right |
| 09:28.37 | MinuteElectron | cool |
| 09:29.51 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: will the menu area be left or right aligned? |
| 09:30.04 | brlcad | thanks again for working on this, it's going to be awesome |
| 09:30.11 | brlcad | you'd said bottom left |
| 09:30.16 | MinuteElectron | ok, :D |
| 09:32.00 | brlcad | mm.. I need a godel escher bach style cube for C, A, D .. that'd make a great download icon |
| 09:32.42 | MinuteElectron | are you incorporating the tagline into the header? |
| 09:33.18 | brlcad | have to see, there's another tagline that is often used too |
| 09:33.33 | MinuteElectron | ok, but will one be incorporated at least? |
| 09:33.44 | brlcad | yeah, something |
| 09:33.50 | MinuteElectron | ok |
| 09:33.51 | MinuteElectron | cool |
| 09:38.10 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: I presume that a sidebar will still be needed. |
| 09:39.25 | brlcad | yeah, probably just have different content |
| 09:39.33 | MinuteElectron | yeah |
| 09:44.48 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: There is the issue of tabs, they can either go in a similar place that I put them before (near the page title) or somewhere else (perhaps in the sidebar). |
| 09:53.13 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: Do you have any idea when I will be able to upload Drupal and MediaWiki onto the server you have? At this point it would be quite useful as settings now have to be set in Drupal so it would be useful to not have to set them twice. |
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| 11:13.54 | thing0 | hey |
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| 13:05.42 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: got a spare moment? |
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| 16:40.00 | dtidrow | anybody awake? |
| 16:40.24 | poolio | maybe :P |
| 16:40.29 | dtidrow | heh |
| 16:40.51 | dtidrow | any idea what the '.hidden' means in this line? |
| 16:41.00 | dtidrow | 00040f40 l F .text 0000004c .hidden TkStatePrintProc |
| 16:41.14 | poolio | ah asm |
| 16:41.33 | dtidrow | no, that's from an objdump output |
| 16:42.54 | dtidrow | ../../src/libtclcad/.libs/libtclcad.so: undefined reference to `TkStatePrintProc' - that's an error I'm getting in a brlcad build, even though the function seems to exist in libtk8.5 |
| 16:43.29 | dtidrow | so I'm guessing that '.hidden' is keeping the linker from seeing it |
| 16:44.02 | brlcad | hrm, possibly means it was declared static? |
| 16:44.16 | dtidrow | not from what I see in the .c file |
| 16:44.35 | dtidrow | unless there's something in one of the header files it uses |
| 16:45.00 | dtidrow | char * |
| 16:45.01 | dtidrow | TkStatePrintProc( |
| 16:45.01 | dtidrow | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.01 | dtidrow | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.01 | dtidrow | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.01 | dtidrow | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.03 | dtidrow | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.05 | dtidrow | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.07 | dtidrow | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.09 | dtidrow | { |
| 16:45.36 | brlcad | where's that from? |
| 16:45.55 | brlcad | tkCanvBezier or tk sources? |
| 16:46.08 | dtidrow | ./generic/tkInt.h:1146:MODULE_SCOPE char * TkStatePrintProc(ClientData clientData, - aha, that 'MODULE_SCOPE' must be doing it... |
| 16:46.13 | dtidrow | tk |
| 16:46.25 | dtidrow | generic/tkUtil.c |
| 16:46.31 | brlcad | what version are you on? tkCanvBezier is disabled on cvs head |
| 16:46.46 | dtidrow | hmmm |
| 16:46.55 | dtidrow | I dl'ed the latest tarball |
| 16:46.58 | brlcad | in the process of removing it |
| 16:47.00 | brlcad | ahh, okay |
| 16:47.18 | dtidrow | they're removing it? |
| 16:47.34 | brlcad | no, I"m in the process of removing it |
| 16:47.39 | brlcad | it's been a headache for years |
| 16:47.39 | dtidrow | heh |
| 16:48.26 | dtidrow | what version are you on? tkCanvBezier is disabled on cvs head - referring to brlcad or tk? |
| 16:48.29 | brlcad | john anderson implemented a bezier canvas for the 2D bezier line drawings in the sketch editor |
| 16:49.12 | brlcad | that tkCanvBezier was originally a direct enhancement to tk (meaning we had to ship a customized tk), but was later pulled out so that we could try to link against system tk libraries |
| 16:49.27 | brlcad | 7.10.1 is cvs head |
| 16:49.31 | dtidrow | ah |
| 16:50.22 | brlcad | even after tkCanvBezier was pulled out of Tk, though, it still needs Tk internals, private structures that you don't have access to from a system-installed Tk (i.e. that MODULE_SCOPE changes after installation) |
| 16:50.22 | dtidrow | I was experimenting with some additional optimizations yesterday, and kept stumbling over compile failures or other problems |
| 16:50.58 | dtidrow | well, I was building tk8.5 from tarballs, so that's not a problem to change |
| 16:51.08 | dtidrow | and tcl, for that matter |
| 16:51.30 | brlcad | that's actually the only thing holding up release -- to use a different bezier line drawing approach |
| 16:52.43 | dtidrow | I was also getting a problem in ifftc nevewr terminating during the build, chewing up all the available disk |
| 16:53.21 | dtidrow | just from experimenting with various optimization flags :-\ |
| 16:53.40 | brlcad | heh |
| 16:54.04 | brlcad | those can be *really* massive functions |
| 16:54.29 | dtidrow | several gig text files???? |
| 16:55.07 | brlcad | oh, running ifftc itself didn't terminate? |
| 16:55.27 | brlcad | or compiling the files it generates didn't |
| 16:55.44 | dtidrow | ifftc itself didn't terminate |
| 16:56.06 | dtidrow | ./configure --enable-optimized --with-opengl --with-cflags="-march=nocona -msse3 -mfpmath=sse,387 -malign-double -mrtd -msseregparm" |
| 16:56.24 | dtidrow | think that's what caused it |
| 16:57.25 | dtidrow | -march=nocona could have been hosing things, I suppose |
| 16:58.11 | dtidrow | is there an -march=core yet? |
| 16:59.14 | brlcad | hm, I get cc1: error: invalid option 'sseregparm', if I remove that one, ifftc crashes with a bad instruction |
| 16:59.41 | brlcad | ah, -mrtd caused the bad instruction |
| 16:59.48 | dtidrow | ah |
| 17:00.18 | brlcad | hm, otherwise worked clean with CFLAGS="-march=nocona -msse3 -mfpmath=sse,387 -malign-double" |
| 17:00.29 | dtidrow | was just experimenting with various options :-) |
| 17:00.33 | dtidrow | k, will try that |
| 17:00.56 | brlcad | libfft is a fun lib to play with since it generates the source files |
| 17:01.24 | brlcad | fourier transform kernels of various specified sizes |
| 17:01.46 | brlcad | having it go to 512 or *gasp* 1024 is really interesting to see how various compilers behave |
| 17:02.32 | dtidrow | thought it looked a little funky ;-) |
| 17:02.34 | brlcad | can seriously slow down a compile |
| 17:03.47 | brlcad | wc gives: 6255 32387 172439 irfft512.c |
| 17:03.48 | dtidrow | arg - my little one is getting into all kinds of trouble now |
| 17:11.39 | dtidrow | can't imagine what it would be like to build brlcad on an old 11/780.... |
| 17:12.08 | dtidrow | probably would take most of a week |
| 17:12.10 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/libfft/Makefile.am: support convolution kernels up to 1024, but still only compile those up to 256 by default since optimization can be .. intense .. on the larger sizes |
| 17:13.47 | dtidrow | sweet - the latest version of gcc has -march=core2 |
| 17:21.08 | dtidrow | argh! |
| 17:21.26 | dtidrow | /bin/sh ../../libtool --silent --mode=link gcc -march=pentium-m -msse3 -mfpmath=sse,387 -malign-double -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -fexceptions -g -O3 -L/usr/local/lib -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -fexceptions -g -O3 -o ssampview ssampview-spectrum.o ssampview-ssampview.o ../../src/liboptical/liboptical.la -L../../src/other/tcl/unix -ltcl8.5 -ldl -lm ../../src/libfb/libfb.la ../../src/libbu/libbu.la ../../sr |
| 17:21.26 | dtidrow | c/libpkg/libpkg.la -L../../src/other/tcl/unix -ltcl8.5 -ldl -lm -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 -lXi -lXext -lX11 -lGL ../../src/librt/librt.la -lc -lm ../../src/libsysv/libsysv.la ../../src/other/openNURBS/libopenNURBS.la -lstdc++ ../../src/libbu/libbu.la ../../src/libbn/libbn.la ../../src/libbu/libbu.la -L../../src/other/tcl/unix -ltcl8.5 -ldl -lm -lm ../../src/libbu/libbu.la -L../../src/other/tcl/unix -ltcl8.5 -ldl -lm -lm -lc -lpthread |
| 17:21.31 | dtidrow | ../../src/libpkg/libpkg.la ../../src/libsysv/libsysv.la -L../../src/other/tk/unix -ltk8.5 -lXss -lXext -lX11 -lX11 -L../../src/other/tcl/unix -ltcl8.5 -ldl -lm |
| 17:21.34 | dtidrow | /home/dtidrow/src/brlcad-7.10.0/src/other/tk/unix/libtk8.5.a(tkStubLib.o): In function `Tk_InitStubs': |
| 17:21.36 | dtidrow | /home/dtidrow/src/brlcad-7.10.0/src/other/tk/unix/../generic/tkStubLib.c:102: undefined reference to `tclStubsPtr' |
| 17:21.39 | dtidrow | /home/dtidrow/src/brlcad-7.10.0/src/other/tk/unix/../generic/tkStubLib.c:109: undefined reference to `tclStubsPtr' |
| 17:21.42 | dtidrow | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 17:21.50 | dtidrow | oops, grabbed one too many lines |
| 17:22.59 | dtidrow | fook it, gonna unpack the tarball and try again |
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| 17:25.42 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: How's it going? |
| 17:59.54 | IriX64 | dtidrow: undefined reference to tclstubsptr? was a proper tclstubs library found at configure time? |
| 18:02.59 | dtidrow | I thought I told it to build the tcl/tk version that comes with brlcad... |
| 18:03.13 | IriX64 | should find it then |
| 18:03.32 | dtidrow | yes, it 'should'.... |
| 18:03.37 | IriX64 | i installed tcl/tk 8.5a6 , seems to work |
| 18:04.09 | dtidrow | with 7.10.0, or cvs HEAD? |
| 18:04.14 | IriX64 | cvs |
| 18:04.52 | dtidrow | ah - there are some fixes in there that aren't in 7.10.0, according to brlcad |
| 18:05.04 | IriX64 | explains it :) |
| 18:05.43 | dtidrow | I could have a leftover lib hiding somewhere from tcl/tk-8.5a6.... |
| 18:05.58 | IriX64 | reminds me, i should get the latest update |
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| 18:07.00 | dtidrow | aha - it was apparently still pulling in /usr/local/lib/libtcl8.5.so |
| 18:07.28 | dtidrow | done :-) |
| 18:07.41 | IriX64 | heh good shooting :) |
| 18:08.09 | dtidrow | now to see if the extra optimization options helped at all... |
| 18:08.24 | IriX64 | what are you trying for, speed? |
| 18:09.28 | dtidrow | yeah, just as a test of the h/w |
| 18:09.34 | IriX64 | ah |
| 18:10.05 | IriX64 | i'll march this one as opteron then :) |
| 18:10.40 | dtidrow | gcc 4.2 has core2 as an march option now |
| 18:11.00 | IriX64 | i'll try it |
| 18:11.19 | IriX64 | maybe ill try core4 :P |
| 18:12.42 | dtidrow | gotta go, wife wants to do some shopping - bbl... |
| 18:12.48 | IriX64 | cya |
| 18:14.15 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/mZznOG69.html <---last nights effort, love seeing that little bit of info :) |
| 18:17.54 | dtidrow | Benchmark results indicate an approximate VGR performance metric of 6244 |
| 18:18.30 | dtidrow | Logarithmic VGR metric is 3.80 (natural logarithm is 8.74) |
| 18:18.30 | dtidrow | that's a nice bump :-) |
| 18:18.31 | IriX64 | hot, very hot, better put another heatsink on :) |
| 18:27.16 | IriX64 | howd you compile that so fast :) |
| 18:28.12 | IriX64 | errr 30 |
| 18:35.19 | IriX64 | on the bright side ./configure only takes 6 minutes :) |
| 18:44.16 | IriX64 | ftp://www3.sympatico.ca allows *me to login anonymously, would appreciate somebody trying it. |
| 18:51.20 | IriX64 | use a browser |
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| 19:04.31 | IriX64 | works for me, i'm happy :) |
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| 19:25.03 | IriX64 | haha my command line ftp client can't even find it :) |
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| 19:26.00 | IriX64 | anybody have Konqueror? does it work? |
| 19:28.15 | IriX64 | so much for work lets return to the fun stuff, brlcad is building |
| 19:29.12 | IriX64 | err brl-cad :) |
| 19:29.22 | MinuteElectron | Hmm, does it matter what Linux distribution you are running to compile brl-cad? |
| 19:29.45 | IriX64 | ask those who wrote it |
| 19:30.01 | MinuteElectron | IriX64: What version are you using? |
| 19:30.06 | IriX64 | cvs |
| 19:30.13 | MinuteElectron | Of Linux |
| 19:30.23 | IriX64 | just updated about 45 mins ago |
| 19:30.34 | IriX64 | who says i'm using linux |
| 19:30.46 | MinuteElectron | Sorry, okay. |
| 19:30.54 | IriX64 | but i have redhat 5.1 |
| 19:31.05 | MinuteElectron | ok, :D |
| 19:31.19 | IriX64 | :) |
| 19:31.28 | MinuteElectron | I will try using Ubuntu - but first to install my wi-box on Ubuntu (or at least try). |
| 19:31.42 | IriX64 | was just going to ask |
| 19:32.03 | IriX64 | should get a leopard system :) |
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| 19:35.40 | IriX64 | Initializing and backgrounding, please wait... <-----gotta get this part working |
| 19:39.41 | IriX64 | AchiestDragon, have you considered a digitizer? |
| 19:54.27 | brlcad | gah, missed him again |
| 20:12.51 | IriX64 | what's thew most common image format (meaning easiest to view) for *nix systems, can you handle png's easily? |
| 20:28.56 | IriX64 | ahh well a jpg of my desktop (stryker.jpg) on ftp://www3.sympatico.ca (what i affectionatly call "my spot") |
| 20:32.30 | dtidrow | arg - still broken :-( |
| 20:32.38 | IriX64 | still? |
| 20:32.45 | IriX64 | symptom? |
| 20:32.48 | dtidrow | nothing's happening |
| 20:32.57 | IriX64 | did it prompt? |
| 20:33.23 | dtidrow | nope |
| 20:33.30 | IriX64 | did it connect? |
| 20:34.01 | poolio | IriX64: just post them to imageshack.us or something |
| 20:34.14 | IriX64 | gotta get this working |
| 20:34.30 | IriX64 | what client (remebering i said to use a browser) |
| 20:34.49 | dtidrow | firefox 1.5.x |
| 20:35.04 | IriX64 | so answer did it connect? |
| 20:35.27 | IriX64 | wait i have a firefox here |
| 20:35.28 | dtidrow | it says at the bottom of the window: "Beginning FTP transaction..." |
| 20:38.11 | IriX64 | should say connected to www3.sympatico.ca and an box should come up asking for username and password |
| 20:39.35 | IriX64 | still broken, ill call didn't let me in anonymously thanks dtidrow |
| 20:39.52 | dtidrow | k - there was no box either |
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| 20:41.12 | AchiestDragon | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/AIPTEK-12000U-12-x-9-A4-GRAPHICS-TABLET-FREE-UK-DELIVRY_W0QQitemZ300125909553QQihZ020QQcategoryZ39980QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 20:41.28 | AchiestDragon | seems good but looks like a bit of a pain for linux support |
| 20:41.55 | dtidrow | brlcad: did you see the benchmark I posted? |
| 20:46.18 | dtidrow | went from 5620 to 6244 |
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| 20:47.20 | MinuteElectron | And you would think setting up a wireless connection on Linux would be easy... |
| 20:47.29 | MinuteElectron | Welcome back Windows - I am your friend. |
| 20:48.05 | dtidrow | depends on the distro and h/w |
| 20:48.31 | MinuteElectron | h/w? |
| 20:48.35 | dtidrow | took me a little while to get it working here on FC6, but it's fine now |
| 20:48.39 | dtidrow | hardware |
| 20:48.43 | MinuteElectron | Ahh, |
| 20:49.11 | AchiestDragon | suse detects and configures for my wifi straight from the box , where with windows i have to hunt arround for the driver disk |
| 20:49.30 | dtidrow | somehardware doesn't have drivers for it because the company that sells it or the wireless chipset won't let the info out |
| 20:49.34 | MinuteElectron | The wireless stick was instantly recognised by Ubuntnu - unfourtunatley I couldn't connect to any networks (well it said I had but the internet wouldn't work). |
| 20:50.37 | dtidrow | might be a networking issue - did you have ethernet running as well? |
| 20:51.03 | MinuteElectron | I tried it with and without, |
| 20:52.04 | dtidrow | nice - about a 11% speed bump just from the extra optimization flags |
| 21:01.00 | brlcad | dtidrow: very nice |
| 21:01.16 | brlcad | which options did you use? |
| 21:02.08 | brlcad | howdy MinuteElectron |
| 21:03.25 | MinuteElectron | hi |
| 21:11.48 | dtidrow | --enable-optimized --with-opengl --with-cflags="-march=pentium-m -msse3 -mfpmath=sse,387 -malign-double" |
| 21:12.32 | dtidrow | used pentium-m instead of nocona because the Core's are supposed to be derived from Pentium-M |
| 21:12.58 | dtidrow | gcc 4.2 has -march=core2 available |
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| 21:22.33 | MinuteElectron | Ha, |
| 21:22.43 | MinuteElectron | Anyway... |
| 21:22.46 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: Got a mo? |
| 21:33.10 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/configure.ac: include the configure flags in the summary report, remove surrounding whitespace on the FLAGS variables and only print them if they're not empty |
| 21:34.15 | brlcad | MinuteElectron: sure, what's up |
| 21:34.21 | MinuteElectron | website |
| 21:34.32 | brlcad | still working on the image, not quite done (got distracted with a related icon) |
| 21:34.42 | MinuteElectron | heh dw |
| 21:35.38 | IriX64 | dtidrow: http://img528.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stykerbg4.jpg there ya go :) |
| 21:35.55 | IriX64 | problems being addressed |
| 21:41.56 | IriX64 | might as well compare benchmarks, running mine now :) |
| 21:44.42 | IriX64 | RTFM=RealTimeFrameMeasurement :P |
| 21:45.55 | IriX64 | should have stopped all other jobs i guess |
| 21:46.10 | dtidrow | heh |
| 21:46.44 | IriX64 | as I said last night, I prefer accuracy over speed, not that yours is inaccurate :) |
| 21:48.20 | IriX64 | something wrong here bldg391 always comes up 74 off by 1 0 off by many |
| 21:48.41 | dtidrow | similar here |
| 21:48.58 | IriX64 | no idea what goes on there |
| 21:49.17 | IriX64 | suppose i could open up the code, but I don't care :) |
| 21:49.23 | dtidrow | sure it's not m35? |
| 21:49.32 | IriX64 | just a sec |
| 21:49.56 | IriX64 | whup right i read the wrong line |
| 21:50.00 | dtidrow | k |
| 21:51.34 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/kamPt390.html <-- there you go, the whole run |
| 21:52.18 | dtidrow | what's the cpu? |
| 21:53.23 | dtidrow | cpu speed, I mean... |
| 21:53.56 | dtidrow | http://rafb.net/p/QgE7cI34.html - my output |
| 21:57.59 | IriX64 | all i used was msse3 opteron and --enable-optimized and --enable-optimizations, I rarely play with CFLAGS= |
| 21:58.34 | IriX64 | now to see if it can display geometry :) |
| 21:58.48 | IriX64 | whup gotta install it first |
| 22:01.36 | IriX64 | cleverl programmed into each make install is a coffee break, goona go get some |
| 22:01.42 | IriX64 | cleverly too |
| 22:06.56 | MinuteElectron | I *have* to sleep, I am so tired that I accidentally reverted decent code on a project I was working on this morning. Stayling online to download cygwin and brl-cad from CVS. Goodnight. |
| 22:16.11 | IriX64 | Good Night |
| 22:16.44 | IriX64 | just how much of the world is represented here (you obviously know where I am) |
| 22:17.49 | IriX64 | SuperTaz, gotta be Australia :P |
| 22:18.41 | MinuteElectron | I am UK, but shush about it. |
| 22:19.09 | IriX64 | got it sorry, what are you doing not in bed :) |
| 22:19.12 | MinuteElectron | IriX64: Heh, I didn't know you were US. |
| 22:19.29 | IriX64 | Canada man the colony :) |
| 22:19.33 | MinuteElectron | IriX64: I had to use the bathroom and came back to check if CVS checkout had finished. |
| 22:19.39 | MinuteElectron | IriX64: Oh, lol. |
| 22:19.56 | IriX64 | did cvs treat you well |
| 22:20.24 | MinuteElectron | Hasn't finished, already at 80+ MB. |
| 22:20.34 | MinuteElectron | I guess that is about half way |
| 22:20.39 | MinuteElectron | Well, |
| 22:20.43 | MinuteElectron | probably not actually. |
| 22:20.49 | MinuteElectron | If you include all the .cvs files |
| 22:20.53 | IriX64 | maybe the tarball would have been easier to get started i mean |
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| 22:21.01 | MinuteElectron | Oh, |
| 22:21.15 | MinuteElectron | I thought there was some problems with the tarball. |
| 22:21.18 | IriX64 | just unpack it then do the cvs thing |
| 22:21.28 | MinuteElectron | Oh, I see. |
| 22:21.41 | IriX64 | dunno how much time youd save |
| 22:21.44 | MinuteElectron | Started now, I am goin to leave my PC on all night so it doesn't matter. |
| 22:21.53 | IriX64 | good plan |
| 22:22.06 | MinuteElectron | Anyway, I really do need some sleep. Laterz. |
| 22:22.11 | IriX64 | tell it to compile it while you sleep :) |
| 22:22.13 | IriX64 | later |
| 22:51.43 | IriX64 | http://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=faceplatekv5.png |
| 22:52.35 | IriX64 | drat, i'll use jpg from now on |
| 22:55.08 | MinuteElectron | That's better. |
| 22:57.34 | IriX64 | http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/2814/7101po4.jpg there (latest Build) |
| 22:58.16 | IriX64 | I'll stop spamming the channel now :) |
| 22:59.39 | IriX64 | hah i should post the rt that just happened (yeah it works) :) |
| 23:01.51 | MinuteElectron | hmm |
| 23:01.54 | MinuteElectron | User@not-3n1jjeirhea /cygdrive/c/brlcad |
| 23:01.55 | MinuteElectron | $ sh autogen.sh |
| 23:01.57 | MinuteElectron | autogen.sh: line 75: $'\r': command not found |
| 23:01.58 | MinuteElectron | autogen.sh: line 93: syntax error near unexpected token `$'{\r'' |
| 23:02.00 | MinuteElectron | 'utogen.sh: line 93: `ident ( ) { |
| 23:02.28 | dtidrow | ? |
| 23:02.43 | IriX64 | shouldn't have to type sh |
| 23:03.04 | MinuteElectron | IriX64: even on cygwin? |
| 23:03.16 | IriX64 | on mine anyway :) |
| 23:03.24 | MinuteElectron | heh |
| 23:03.38 | IriX64 | just type ./autogen.sh |
| 23:03.49 | dtidrow | should work :-) |
| 23:03.54 | MinuteElectron | same error |
| 23:04.01 | brlcad | that's odd (regarding autogen.sh) .. sounds like some windows/unix line ending issue |
| 23:04.02 | MinuteElectron | the funny thing is there is nothing on line 75 |
| 23:04.03 | dtidrow | better yet, switch to a _real_ OS ;-) |
| 23:04.38 | IriX64 | you saying mine is a figment of my imagination :) |
| 23:04.48 | IriX64 | try fedora |
| 23:05.08 | dtidrow | MinuteElectron: what failed? |
| 23:05.10 | MinuteElectron | hmm, so I switched from CRLF to LF and now it works. |
| 23:05.15 | brlcad | IriX64: and RTFM does not stand for RealTimeFrameMeasurement :P |
| 23:05.27 | dtidrow | lol |
| 23:05.30 | IriX64 | heh |
| 23:05.43 | IriX64 | ReadTheFineManual? :) |
| 23:06.02 | MinuteElectron | ERROR: Unable to locate GNU Autoconf. |
| 23:06.05 | MinuteElectron | ha |
| 23:06.20 | IriX64 | www.gnu.org compile and go :) |
| 23:06.30 | brlcad | IriX64: also no |
| 23:06.33 | dtidrow | should be in there somewhere |
| 23:06.48 | MinuteElectron | IriX64: I have to compile on cygwin? |
| 23:06.50 | IriX64 | RayTraceFigureOfMerit? ;) |
| 23:07.19 | IriX64 | minuteelctron yes |
| 23:07.23 | brlcad | bingo |
| 23:07.29 | IriX64 | heh |
| 23:07.57 | IriX64 | I'm using 2.61 |
| 23:08.09 | IriX64 | automake 1.9.6 |
| 23:08.17 | IriX64 | libtool 1.5.22 |
| 23:09.35 | IriX64 | ack!! havoc just launched a missile, where do I hide :P |
| 23:10.19 | IriX64 | you guys are good, I barely understand mug.g let alone something like havoc |
| 23:10.20 | dtidrow | not behind me! |
| 23:10.50 | MinuteElectron | ha 'bash: make: command not found' |
| 23:11.23 | MinuteElectron | this is hilarious |
| 23:11.41 | IriX64 | you need to install make |
| 23:11.46 | MinuteElectron | i see |
| 23:11.54 | IriX64 | www.gnu.org :P |
| 23:12.15 | IriX64 | www.gnu.org and i are old friends |
| 23:12.25 | IriX64 | :) |
| 23:12.52 | IriX64 | you'll need gcc to (thats a feat) |
| 23:13.07 | brlcad | there are cygwin packages that provide all those things |
| 23:13.26 | IriX64 | yes but out of date but they'll get you started |
| 23:13.52 | brlcad | MinuteElectron: if you were on cygwin, you probably shouldn't have pulled the zip file .. that's likely where you're getting line ending problems from if you did |
| 23:14.08 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: I didn't use the zip file. |
| 23:14.12 | MinuteElectron | I used CVS. |
| 23:14.17 | IriX64 | he said cvs |
| 23:14.20 | brlcad | ah, interesting |
| 23:14.22 | IriX64 | whup sorry :) |
| 23:15.05 | brlcad | is the execute bit not set then or something? |
| 23:15.32 | IriX64 | use theirs to update |
| 23:15.36 | brlcad | it should tell you to run configure before it tells you to run make |
| 23:15.44 | brlcad | and configure will fail if there is no make |
| 23:15.56 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: What do you mean? It was a problem with using CRLFs instead of LF |
| 23:16.23 | brlcad | i mean, did ./autogen.sh work? |
| 23:16.27 | brlcad | s/work/run/ |
| 23:16.50 | brlcad | i don't mean successfully, i mean just did it run at all |
| 23:17.18 | MinuteElectron | It ran. |
| 23:17.38 | brlcad | okay |
| 23:17.47 | IriX64 | try this make --version |
| 23:17.56 | MinuteElectron | IriX64: where? |
| 23:18.12 | IriX64 | at the prompt |
| 23:18.41 | MinuteElectron | I found the problem: ./configure failed. |
| 23:18.59 | IriX64 | where? |
| 23:19.00 | MinuteElectron | I forgot to install gcc. |
| 23:19.06 | MinuteElectron | at make |
| 23:19.09 | dtidrow | d'oh! |
| 23:19.19 | IriX64 | that'll do it every time :) |
| 23:20.59 | MinuteElectron | I am getting the hang of this. |
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| 23:22.57 | IriX64 | http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/3617/oldbuildrw4.jpg This is 7.8.4, trying to get 7.10 to look like this |
| 23:23.53 | IriX64 | now brlcad will say it already does ;) |
| 23:24.56 | IriX64 | dog needs a walk ill be back in a bit |
| 23:32.42 | MinuteElectron | ha |
| 23:32.44 | MinuteElectron | checking for cc... no |
| 23:32.46 | MinuteElectron | configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH |
| 23:32.56 | MinuteElectron | I bet you guys can tell I am a total n00b |
| 23:36.25 | MinuteElectron | wtF? |
| 23:36.51 | MinuteElectron | how the hell am I meant to install bison? without it I can't install gcc and without gcc I can't install bison. |
| 23:42.45 | IriX64 | http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/8418/musictocompilebyoi5.jpg :P |
| 23:44.08 | MinuteElectron | I am being forced to go to bed. |
| 23:44.22 | MinuteElectron | I *will* compile this tomorrow morning/ |
| 23:44.32 | IriX64 | had to cut the walk short, computer reported it dropped a bit, needed me to pick it up :) |
| 23:44.32 | MinuteElectron | goodnight for the last time |
| 23:44.40 | IriX64 | goodnight |
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| 23:47.41 | RodGallowGlass | it works? heh |
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