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| 06:12.12 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: No, not LDAP for the content. LDAP so that we only use one usertable in the database. Is that correct? |
| 06:20.21 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: Have you an LDAP server set up yet? Or must I setup once? |
| 06:20.25 | MinuteElectron | *one |
| 06:27.35 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: Having a look at the BSD repo there appears to be compiled versions of OpenLDAP, the PHP5 extensions and the apache module. If you are able to or want to install them, but I can eqaully as easily compile it myself. |
| 06:31.34 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: And apparently MySQL comes with BDB support (removed in 5.1 but you have 4.1.22) so I can either use that or it is porbably better to set up BDB datbase so when you upgrade MySQL LDAP still works. |
| 06:33.44 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: We are in luck, the FreeBSD port search says they have Berkeley DB. Although I can also compile it if you want. |
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| 06:36.25 | MinuteElectron | bbl |
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| 10:27.02 | CIA-29 | BRL-CAD: 03jlowenz * 10brlcad/src/conv/iges/brlcad_brep.cpp: handle trim loop wrapping, i.e. need to close the loop |
| 10:27.28 | Laniakea | anyone has an idea how to continue on diagnosing the itcl problem on my openbsd? |
| 10:29.16 | CIA-29 | BRL-CAD: 03jlowenz * 10brlcad/src/other/openNURBS/opennurbs_bezier.cpp: make a note about the broken bezier clipping algorithm |
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| 11:55.16 | brlcad | MinuteElectron: yes, that's correct .. just checking since something you said made me wonder if you meant for content too -- ldap is either already installed or I can install it if it's not pretty quickly |
| 11:55.26 | thing0 | hey brlcad |
| 11:55.35 | brlcad | I thought I already installed BDB for some other reason, but I'll check that too |
| 11:55.37 | brlcad | howdy thing0 |
| 11:55.47 | thing0 | I am back in Perth |
| 11:55.49 | thing0 | for a week |
| 11:55.54 | thing0 | gonna party it up |
| 11:55.57 | thing0 | just not tonight |
| 11:55.57 | brlcad | sounds like fun :) |
| 11:56.03 | thing0 | had to use broadband |
| 11:56.09 | thing0 | been hanging out for it for SO long |
| 11:56.11 | thing0 | ;) |
| 11:58.36 | brlcad | yeah, I get net withdraws |
| 11:58.53 | brlcad | though I gotta say that I just love having a mildly useful net connection with me all the time now |
| 11:58.54 | thing0 | getting wireless broadband before I go down |
| 11:59.04 | thing0 | hehe |
| 11:59.54 | brlcad | it should be even better when they upgrade to 3G too, though I'm not holding my breath as to when |
| 12:00.29 | thing0 | it is 3G |
| 12:00.36 | thing0 | telstra has it now |
| 12:00.40 | thing0 | 180k a second |
| 12:00.45 | thing0 | I was dumb founded |
| 12:01.31 | thing0 | but yeah |
| 12:01.34 | thing0 | bad plans |
| 12:01.42 | thing0 | 20hrs with unlimited downloads |
| 12:01.48 | thing0 | or 1gb with unlimited time |
| 12:01.53 | thing0 | $50 AUD per month |
| 12:27.01 | poolio | mornin' |
| 12:27.13 | thing0 | morning poolio |
| 12:28.43 | brlcad | 3G is not really prevalent in the US yet |
| 12:28.52 | brlcad | next year it should be |
| 12:29.15 | brlcad | either way, the plan i'm on now is pretty good .. unlimited net for just about 20usd |
| 12:30.06 | thing0 | WOW |
| 12:30.09 | thing0 | that is good |
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| 15:49.13 | poolio | errr? |
| 15:49.50 | ``Erik | looking for the on switch |
| 15:50.15 | ``Erik | <-- has all the class and social grace of a... uhh... n/m |
| 15:52.02 | poolio | heh |
| 15:52.09 | poolio | ``Erik: where you live in MD? |
| 15:53.31 | ``Erik | north, near apg/belair |
| 15:56.18 | poolio | makes sense |
| 16:08.56 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: Have you been able to check if BDB and OpenLDAP are installed? |
| 16:13.14 | MinuteElectron | 07:56:09 < thing0> been hanging out for it for SO long |
| 16:13.19 | MinuteElectron | sorry |
| 16:13.21 | MinuteElectron | my bad |
| 16:13.45 | thing0 | I am on 10G for 50AUD |
| 16:13.45 | thing0 | hehe |
| 16:13.50 | thing0 | yeah.... |
| 16:13.55 | poolio | I'm on my neighbor's |
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| 16:50.46 | IriX64 | poolio: http://www3.sympatico.ca/mario.dulisse2/current710.png |
| 16:51.22 | poolio | cool |
| 16:51.48 | IriX64 | seg faults on attaching to X on startup though had to attach to null for that |
| 16:53.17 | IriX64 | back to examing stack dump sigh status access violation, where's that coming from |
| 17:14.51 | CIA-29 | BRL-CAD: 03poolio * 10brlcad/src/gtools/beset/ (beset.c population.c population.h): working crossover and reproduction. implementation works, but is going to need a lot of tweaking. |
| 17:37.44 | poolio | brlcad: ^^ :) |
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| 18:36.50 | brlcad | poolio: awesome! |
| 18:36.53 | brlcad | ~poolio++ |
| 18:50.20 | poolio | brlcad: I've been working for over an hour trying to figure out if it works though |
| 18:50.23 | poolio | I can't really tell |
| 18:50.28 | poolio | It has some odd behavior...hard to analyze |
| 18:50.51 | poolio | The fitness function isn't making enough difference |
| 18:50.56 | poolio | I need to give the more fit ones a bonus or something |
| 18:52.01 | poolio | It has this tendency to converge onto a sphere |
| 18:52.13 | poolio | when the optimal solution is two spheres not touching |
| 18:53.06 | poolio | In other words, it seems like the fitness doesn't increase at all as time goes on |
| 18:58.45 | poolio | Hopefully mutation will be a saving grace |
| 18:59.28 | poolio | seems I've exceeded my line limit ;) |
| 19:23.30 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: LDAP? |
| 19:56.49 | brlcad | MinuteElectron: it's installing now |
| 19:57.22 | MinuteElectron | cool |
| 19:57.22 | brlcad | had to recompile a few overlays |
| 19:57.22 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: BDB was already there? |
| 19:57.29 | brlcad | part of the compile/install |
| 19:57.49 | MinuteElectron | kl |
| 19:57.51 | MinuteElectron | thanks |
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| 19:58.59 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: Depending on how long it takes I will see if I cansort LDAP out tonightor tomorrow - but I leave Friday morning. |
| 20:00.03 | brlcad | no problem |
| 20:00.43 | brlcad | we're also moving all of our existing network services for bzflag over to ldap, so I needed to install/update it anyways |
| 20:01.28 | brlcad | it'll be a learning experience, I'm not adept in the details of openldap myself |
| 20:01.32 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: The two LDAP databases for bzflag and brlcad will be sepearate right? |
| 20:01.38 | brlcad | yeah, of course |
| 20:01.45 | poolio | brlcad: I think I'm off for a little while, I'm not too sure whether GAs are going to work here, I hope it's just a bug / lack of tweaking on my end :P |
| 20:01.47 | MinuteElectron | ok, :) |
| 20:02.09 | brlcad | just saying i needed to install it for two major projects, thanks for pressing me to finally do it :) |
| 20:02.23 | MinuteElectron | :D |
| 20:02.24 | brlcad | poolio: how so? |
| 20:02.43 | MinuteElectron | If we didn't fix it up by tomorrow it would be another week before you could work on the wiki. |
| 20:03.20 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: BTW I am going to set the themes to default on Drupal and MediaWiki so you can edit them while I am away (since the brlcad theme isn't finished yet). |
| 20:03.32 | poolio | brlcad: I've been messing with it all afternoon, tweaking variables, fitness calculations, etc... and it never seems to converge on a solution |
| 20:03.39 | poolio | it keeps converging on a sphere |
| 20:03.45 | brlcad | MinuteElectron: erhm, why would I edit the default theme? :) |
| 20:03.47 | poolio | when a single sphere is not optimal |
| 20:04.09 | brlcad | poolio: sounds like a bug :) |
| 20:04.09 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: I don't mean edit the default theme. I mean edit using the default theme, it is in a much better state at the moment. |
| 20:04.11 | poolio | I might write some perl scripts and other tools to visualize the results better |
| 20:04.18 | poolio | brlcad: yeah.. |
| 20:04.23 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: lol, my bad |
| 20:04.28 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: typo kind-of |
| 20:04.33 | brlcad | MinuteElectron: ah, you mean as to editing the "site itself" as in the content |
| 20:04.43 | MinuteElectron | yeah, sorry about that |
| 20:04.48 | brlcad | np, yeah sure |
| 20:05.05 | poolio | brlcad: I'll work on it a bit later and see if I can find the bug / present some visualizations that explain why/how it's not working :) |
| 20:05.38 | brlcad | poolio: I'd recommed either tcl/tk scripts (if only as a learning/exposure exercise for you) or a libdm or libfb interface |
| 20:06.05 | poolio | I know jack about tcl/tk, or libdm or libfb, any tips on where to start? |
| 20:06.35 | poolio | I was just going to use rt and pix2png or something like that, and output say a large image with a rt of the most fit individual at each generation |
| 20:06.38 | brlcad | depends what exactly you want to visualize |
| 20:07.55 | poolio | brlcad: Well, I also see in the near future a need for plots |
| 20:08.07 | poolio | Like fitness vs. generation graph |
| 20:08.42 | brlcad | yeah, those can all be done with just about any toolkit |
| 20:09.03 | brlcad | it would just be nice that with whatever you work with, that it actually becomes something that integrates with your tool |
| 20:09.32 | brlcad | doesn't have to be one of those three, they're just relatively easy to work with and trivial in terms of integration |
| 20:09.57 | brlcad | a perl script would be fine for your testing/development, but less than ideal for deployment and integration |
| 20:10.26 | poolio | yeah, the main reason was trying to debug the current software |
| 20:10.34 | poolio | but it wouldn't hurt to leanr / create something more useful |
| 20:11.58 | poolio | so any suggestions as to what toolkit to use? I'm trying to raytrace an individual, and probably display a grid of raytraced images, overlaying text would be nice. I'd also like the ability to plot stuff, I was just going to use gnuplot for testing, but do any of the toolkits have that ability built in? Plotting points with lines drawn between them is fine |
| 20:17.46 | brlcad | what I'm thinking of is a simple tcl/tk gui front end application that lets you specify the input geometry |
| 20:18.14 | brlcad | then when you run, it calls beset with the options, and for each iteration, displays one of the results |
| 20:18.27 | brlcad | (using rt and a framebuffer server or using tk and png images directly) |
| 20:21.01 | poolio | oh I see, you mean full-fledged frontend |
| 20:21.18 | poolio | I think for now I'm going to just write my own hackish awful scripts, the key thing currently is getting it working, than I can try to get a nice frontend up |
| 20:21.24 | poolio | there's no point in a frontend of the backend is not functional |
| 20:22.02 | poolio | Unless of course it's pretty simple to write something like that, I really have no clue, never done Tcl/Tk, |
| 20:25.47 | yukonbob | poolio: tcl/tk == easy-peasy |
| 20:26.14 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: Who is the www crontab mailed to? |
| 20:26.16 | poolio | Care to walk me through it / point me somewhere to start? |
| 20:26.30 | yukonbob | ^-- that for me? |
| 20:26.44 | poolio | :) |
| 20:27.11 | yukonbob | http://wiki.tcl.tk/, and #tcl on freenode... |
| 20:27.19 | yukonbob | I can shoot a basic script to you too... 1 sec. |
| 20:28.09 | yukonbob | also, excellent book == Practical Programming in Tcl and Tk (Fourth Edition) Brent Welch et al |
| 20:28.29 | yukonbob | (not sure if there's going to be a Fifth Edition around the corner since Tcl/Tk 8.5 is around the corner |
| 20:28.33 | yukonbob | ) |
| 20:28.48 | poolio | Or maybe are there any examples in brlcad's source of similar simple tools using tcl/tk |
| 20:29.15 | poolio | Yeah, I don't really have the time to completely learn it :) Got some more important stuff on the burner |
| 20:29.48 | yukonbob | poolio: of course... you don't need to become a wizard, but you can cherry-pick what you need from above resources ;) |
| 20:30.04 | poolio | alright, thanks |
| 20:31.31 | yukonbob | poolio: http://wiki.tcl.tk/488 |
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| 20:32.28 | yukonbob | http://wiki.tcl.tk/298 |
| 20:32.48 | poolio | thanks |
| 20:33.29 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: Also rewrite rules still don't work. |
| 20:37.04 | poolio | yukonbob: It doesn't look too hard, but I kind of don't feel like being bogged down by it right now. thanks for the help though |
| 20:37.26 | yukonbob | np :) |
| 20:37.54 | brlcad | poolio: it's not that complicated, but certainly a couple weeks work if you don't know tcl/tk probably to get something that looks nice |
| 20:38.21 | yukonbob | howdy brlcad :) |
| 20:38.30 | poolio | brlcad: yeah, I don't think I have that time :) |
| 20:38.31 | brlcad | MinuteElectron: if it's a user crontab, it's e-mailed to the local mailbox for that user |
| 20:39.26 | yukonbob | poolio: when you get a few spare cycles and are in the mood, just sit down w/ tcl and play for a bit... I found it _really_ fun to play with, and not difficult to pick up... you can learn it in bits/pieces that way... |
| 20:39.43 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: Hmm, it would be useful to have the output of the crontasks, since for all I know what could be going on coud have an error. |
| 20:39.54 | MinuteElectron | Don't know if that is possible or not. |
| 20:40.53 | poolio | yukonbob: I'm headed off to school on August 19th :P I only have like 3 weeks left |
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| 20:42.26 | yukonbob | poolio: what are you studying? |
| 20:42.42 | poolio | yukonbob: electrical and computer engineering |
| 20:43.32 | poolio | I'm not even taking programming first semester, it took me weeks to convince them to let me place out of the C & Unix programming class and it turns out the course that that places me into is completely full and the waitlist is huge. |
| 20:43.45 | poolio | yukonbob: I say ECE, but it's not 100% sure, I don't have to declare my major til the end of the year |
| 20:51.15 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: So two things: are you able to get the rewrite engine working, and what will be the copyright status of the website? |
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| 21:04.22 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: Once the LDAP is set up the wiki and Druapl are good for editing. |
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| 21:10.24 | brlcad | poolio: here's a nice simple tcl/tk intro |
| 21:10.26 | brlcad | http://www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dbutler/tutorials/winter96/tcl/ |
| 21:11.17 | brlcad | it's worth more than an hour of your time to go through that just to get some exposure to it |
| 21:12.18 | brlcad | MinuteElectron: the rewrite engine works, I tested it .. just not sure exactly what you're trying in the .htaccess file :) |
| 21:12.33 | MinuteElectron | :'( |
| 21:12.35 | brlcad | could be that it's conflicting with the rewrite rules in the conf file |
| 21:13.03 | MinuteElectron | what is the path to the conf file? i use emacs now and don't have asilly problem like I did with vi. |
| 21:15.00 | poolio | brlcad: alright alright :P |
| 21:16.35 | brlcad | not saying you have to use it for what you're doing |
| 21:16.42 | brlcad | just that you should go through the tutorial |
| 21:18.28 | brlcad | MinuteElectron: the wiki comes up, what sort of rewrite rule are you looking to add? |
| 21:18.41 | brlcad | w/ to w/index? |
| 21:19.11 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: w/index.php?title= to wiki/ |
| 21:19.13 | MinuteElectron | and |
| 21:19.24 | MinuteElectron | d/?q= to site/ |
| 21:19.55 | MinuteElectron | The same rewrite rules work on a different MediaWiki site I maintain. |
| 21:21.59 | brlcad | ah, interesting reversal |
| 21:22.44 | MinuteElectron | hmm? |
| 21:22.48 | brlcad | nvm |
| 21:23.03 | MinuteElectron | ok... |
| 21:23.11 | brlcad | just almost the exact opposite that we set up on another site |
| 21:23.24 | MinuteElectron | oh, ok |
| 21:23.32 | MinuteElectron | this way IMO is cleaner. |
| 21:23.43 | MinuteElectron | it also reduces conflicts in directory names |
| 21:23.45 | MinuteElectron | and file names |
| 21:23.52 | brlcad | the difference is ending up with wiki/page or w/page |
| 21:23.58 | MinuteElectron | Ahh, |
| 21:23.59 | brlcad | w/page was chosen for brevity :) |
| 21:24.59 | MinuteElectron | wiki/ is the official one- but either will do. |
| 21:26.20 | brlcad | wiki/ is fine, though I'd edited LocalSettings for w/ if you hadn't noticed |
| 21:26.42 | brlcad | also moved the db settings out of the web root if you noticed |
| 21:26.46 | MinuteElectron | Yeah, I saw. |
| 21:26.50 | brlcad | you can put anything sensitive like that in that dir |
| 21:26.56 | brlcad | s/can/should/ :) |
| 21:27.07 | MinuteElectron | Oh, when you moved the db settings the wiki died. |
| 21:27.10 | brlcad | so like if php wasn't working, files get exposed, etc |
| 21:27.25 | MinuteElectron | Where were the settings moved to? |
| 21:27.51 | MinuteElectron | I restored the settings, I was kind-of confsued and thought I might have accidentally hit the wrong keys lol. |
| 21:29.07 | brlcad | probably just a php security setting that needed to be enabled, or something similar |
| 21:29.46 | MinuteElectron | yeah |
| 21:30.03 | brlcad | so needed to be after |
| 21:30.29 | brlcad | woot, slapd finished |
| 21:31.02 | ``Erik | O.o |
| 21:31.40 | MinuteElectron | cool |
| 21:32.49 | poolio | cya ``Erik |
| 21:34.59 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: Are changes to httpd.conf instant? |
| 21:36.38 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: Also, is mod_alias enabled? |
| 21:37.54 | brlcad | no, apache has to be reset (sudo apachectl graceful) |
| 21:38.12 | MinuteElectron | ok |
| 21:38.13 | brlcad | and yes, mod_alias is enabled |
| 21:38.17 | MinuteElectron | cool |
| 21:39.57 | poolio | brlcad: Is there something already established to take shots from the x y and z axis? I'm just trying to save a good represntation of the model that I can look at outside brl-cad |
| 21:41.06 | brlcad | mm, I thought about writing such a tool several times, quite a trivial script |
| 21:41.10 | brlcad | but alas, no |
| 21:41.12 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: Can I reset Apache? Also can you check my modifications to httpd.conf - I don't want to accidentally take out the server. |
| 21:41.23 | brlcad | MinuteElectron: yes, you can as www |
| 21:42.15 | brlcad | do an "apachectl -t" to check the syntax |
| 21:42.19 | MinuteElectron | ok |
| 21:42.20 | MinuteElectron | thanks |
| 21:42.47 | brlcad | if the syntax is good, at worst you'll probably take down brlcad.org only |
| 21:43.03 | brlcad | if it's bad, then .. it's bad :) |
| 21:54.18 | MinuteElectron | I have to go to sleep now - last day fo school until the summer tomorrow. Hope you are able to fix the httpd.conf problems ;) - will sort out LDAP tomorrow. |
| 21:54.27 | MinuteElectron | Goodnight al. |
| 21:55.30 | MinuteElectron | Also i must moved the drupal database settings to a seperate file. |
| 22:05.46 | brlcad | MinuteElectron: ldap is installed and running now |
| 22:05.49 | brlcad | though there is no config file |
| 22:12.08 | poolio | brlcad: I keep getting "pix-png: Short read" what's up with that? |
| 22:39.56 | ``Erik | your pix isn't as big as expected |
| 22:40.09 | ``Erik | default expect 512x512*3 bytes |
| 22:40.40 | ``Erik | so if the file isn't 786432 (or more), you get that error |
| 22:41.01 | ``Erik | try the -a flag if it's square, or the, uhhh, -w and some other flag if its' not |
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