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poolio |
louipc: ah yeah, forgot about that,
thanks |
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thing0 |
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13:14.08 |
Maloeran |
Hey, I haven't been around for some time. I'm
trying to convert the Stanford .ply models to .g through ply-g but
it gives me "This PLY file appears to contain no geometry!!!". Yet,
with -v, it claims to find the vertices and indices. Any
thoughts? |
13:14.58 |
Maloeran |
Before I try to fix it or write my own
converter, I'm just wondering if it could be a known
glitch |
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14:50.52 |
Maloeran |
Nevermind, got it |
15:09.28 |
brlcad |
what was it? |
15:09.43 |
brlcad |
and howdy Maloeran |
15:10.42 |
Maloeran |
I was trying to convert the .ply point files,
not the reconstructed triangle geometry :) |
15:11.10 |
Maloeran |
I'm fine, cleaning up Rayforce a bit which
Mark wants to present at Siggraph. Will you guys be
there? |
15:11.24 |
brlcad |
yeah |
15:12.17 |
brlcad |
so you're presenting it at siggraph? a paper,
a sketch, a poster? |
15:12.39 |
Maloeran |
None of the above, Mark reserved a... booth,
but I'm not too sure how that works |
15:12.59 |
brlcad |
oh, heh .. interesting |
15:13.09 |
Maloeran |
Just to present the software I guess, but I
wonder if it's a whole day thing, or if I'll have time to wander
around |
15:13.21 |
brlcad |
sounds like it might be on the expo floor
then |
15:14.00 |
brlcad |
so are you attending, or just going for a day
or two or? |
15:14.14 |
brlcad |
do you know which day? |
15:14.37 |
Maloeran |
I'm attending for the whole week, I just hope
I won't have to stay at that booth thing for the whole time
:) |
15:14.51 |
brlcad |
ah, okay, cool |
15:15.00 |
Maloeran |
I'll be bringing my desktop to run the demos
on |
15:15.08 |
brlcad |
you went last year iirc, yes? |
15:15.39 |
Maloeran |
I didn't, I only went to the Interactive
Raytracing and the other one about Visualization with you
guys |
15:16.14 |
brlcad |
oh, wow.. so this will be your first siggraph
then? that should be fun |
15:16.30 |
Maloeran |
So far, I didn't find these social gatherings
very appealing |
15:16.41 |
louipc |
you need more booze |
15:16.55 |
Maloeran |
Verbal communication is great for the
interactivity aspect, but I would rather read papers than listen to
presentations |
15:18.26 |
Maloeran |
Should I understand that Siggraph is generally
more interesting than the conferences we went to at Salt Lake City
and Baltimore? |
15:18.26 |
brlcad |
to each their own, though siggraph is a bit
different than rt07 and vis |
15:18.42 |
brlcad |
siggraph is *huge* in comparison |
15:19.18 |
brlcad |
way more variety, way more of everything
(technical and non-technical, art and scientific, etc) |
15:19.36 |
Maloeran |
Ah, sounds good |
15:20.06 |
brlcad |
generally very beautiful and interesting to
attend |
15:20.56 |
brlcad |
so is mark attending too? |
15:21.22 |
Maloeran |
Yes, and he's bringing his whole family! :)
And, similarly, I'll bring my desktop |
15:21.38 |
brlcad |
heh |
15:21.50 |
brlcad |
well that should be interesting |
15:22.47 |
Maloeran |
Is Erik coming as well? Lee, Justin? |
15:23.03 |
brlcad |
that you know of, only myself and
lee |
15:23.18 |
Maloeran |
Ah, okay |
15:24.04 |
brlcad |
any other guys going from your
group? |
15:24.39 |
Maloeran |
Hum, not that I'm aware of |
15:25.22 |
brlcad |
bob or keith would be the only candidates that
come to mind |
15:25.41 |
brlcad |
but then never know what mark is up to
sometimes :) |
15:26.07 |
brlcad |
so what have you been up to? you sorta
disappeared |
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15:26.51 |
Maloeran |
Ah yes, I think I unconsciously stopped the
ritual of attaching irc clients, it was way too time
consuming |
15:27.19 |
Maloeran |
I used to help people for 1-3 hours daily on
Efnet *shivers*. I have been busy with computational fluid dynamics
mostly, it's very interesting, amazingly challenging |
15:27.47 |
brlcad |
cfd work eh .. any pictures to show?
:) |
15:28.49 |
Maloeran |
None yet, but I'm really close to
that. |
15:29.34 |
Maloeran |
I spent about 2 months just learning the
physics involved ; viscosity, turbulence, speed of sound... They
want me to rewrite some horrible 50k lines Fortran code |
15:30.00 |
Maloeran |
It's not just horrible, it's plain wrong ( no
conservation of momentum, etc. ) |
15:30.06 |
brlcad |
and of course knowing you, you're almost done
then :) |
15:30.25 |
Maloeran |
Eh well, not exactly :), mostly because I'm
aiming very high |
15:30.50 |
Maloeran |
They didn't even have conservation of
momentum... and I want to give them shockwaves, blasts, turbulence,
viscosity |
15:31.02 |
brlcad |
so what's to come of rayforce then? I imagine
this demo at siggraph is mark's way to try and market it |
15:31.36 |
brlcad |
or is rayforce development coming to an end as
you move into cfd? |
15:31.40 |
Maloeran |
I took a long break, I was saturated of
Raytracing, I think I was beginning to feel physical pain when I
tried to force me to work on it near the end |
15:31.51 |
brlcad |
yeah, I got that |
15:32.08 |
brlcad |
i mean that was noticeably visible even over
irc that you were burning out |
15:32.41 |
Maloeran |
Ah, quite true... Survice doesn't know that,
but the first few months, I think I was doing nothing but work. I
mean 60-80 hours a week |
15:33.01 |
Maloeran |
Anyhow, regarding Rayforce, Mark has plans to
integrate it into their software, Archer's successor, and see if
there's commerical potential |
15:34.08 |
brlcad |
interesting |
15:35.01 |
brlcad |
but then I think that for most code that's not
got an analysis association |
15:35.56 |
Maloeran |
It's not really mainstream software, being
open-source is not that... critical, if I may say. Besides, I'll
certainly never allow the patents to get in the way of open-source
developers |
15:36.38 |
Maloeran |
( Mark registered patents to my name on the
techniques ) |
15:37.35 |
brlcad |
doesn't have to be mainstream to be intersting
and useful :) |
15:37.50 |
brlcad |
information wants to be free :) |
15:38.31 |
Maloeran |
:) Oh, I agree. It may well end up
open-source, I think Mark just wants to see if there's commercial
potential at Siggraph |
15:38.46 |
brlcad |
yeah, I got that much :) |
15:39.55 |
Maloeran |
I have doubts myself, I don't think it
performs that much better ( if at all better ) to Reschetov's
latest code, or whoever else's. I haven't followed raytracing
papers |
15:39.57 |
brlcad |
he's unfortunately not got the demo
connections to throw around at siggraph (I think) in order to make
that happen |
15:40.28 |
Maloeran |
He spoke of Dreamworks and some other group
that are supposed to come by the booth |
15:40.39 |
brlcad |
well he'll undoubtedly be at siggraph, you can
just ask Reschetov :) |
15:41.08 |
Maloeran |
Good point :) |
15:43.12 |
Maloeran |
I'm surprised the Stanford models appear
actually more costly to render than CAD geometry |
15:43.42 |
Maloeran |
Only 30M rays/sec on that 70k triangles bunny,
one third of the 140k triangles M1 |
15:44.04 |
brlcad |
they're mostly scan conversions,
pathologically dense triangle surface sets |
15:44.42 |
brlcad |
interesting models, but far from
representative of anything other than scan-conversion
geometry |
15:44.47 |
Maloeran |
*nods* I thought this would produce good
graphs since there are no long thin triangles, I guess that was
wrong |
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15:47.12 |
Maloeran |
On a completely different topic, is it safe
enough to carry computer cases by plane? I would bring the hard
drives with me |
15:47.32 |
poolio |
mornin |
15:47.34 |
brlcad |
safe enough? |
15:47.44 |
brlcad |
don't see why not |
15:47.55 |
brlcad |
i'll be taking my laptop and working on the
plane |
15:47.57 |
Maloeran |
Regarding damage to components from being
thrown around, and I wouldn't want anyone at the luggage collection
to just pick up the 3K$ case |
15:48.18 |
brlcad |
oh, you mean like a desktop |
15:48.19 |
Maloeran |
A laptop is different, you carry it with you
;) |
15:48.21 |
Maloeran |
Yes |
15:48.26 |
brlcad |
eek |
15:48.31 |
brlcad |
good question |
15:48.32 |
Maloeran |
A big and heavy desktop computer
case |
15:48.37 |
poolio |
where you guys headed? |
15:48.56 |
brlcad |
poolio: siggraph in san diego |
15:49.01 |
poolio |
hehe, enjoy |
15:49.04 |
poolio |
when is that? |
15:49.10 |
brlcad |
in about two weeks |
15:50.08 |
Maloeran |
Any thoughts about carrying a case, brlcad? Or
I could somehow ship it, but I'm not sure that's really
better |
15:50.11 |
brlcad |
Maloeran: I'd be rather uncomfortable sending
a machine that way, I'd probably ship it |
15:51.12 |
brlcad |
going to cost probably 50-100 to ship it each
way, depending on the weight |
15:51.22 |
Maloeran |
I still have the case's cardboard box and
styrofoam, but it's clearly a box for a large computer
case |
15:51.55 |
brlcad |
well that's great then .. can put it in that
box and take it to some place like dhl |
15:52.31 |
poolio |
brlcad: are you doing a presentation at
siggraph? |
15:52.38 |
brlcad |
poolio: not this year |
15:52.39 |
Maloeran |
So you would recommend this over bringing it
as luggage |
15:52.51 |
brlcad |
yeah, there is zero guarantee with
luggage |
15:53.07 |
brlcad |
it might come out fine, it might be
destroyed |
15:53.21 |
poolio |
Maloeran: just buy a sweet ass laptop like
brlcad :) |
15:53.33 |
brlcad |
it'd be a gamble, with the dice being thrown
by someone that makes $10/hr |
15:53.43 |
Maloeran |
I don't think there are 8 cores Clovertown
laptops around here :) |
15:54.10 |
Maloeran |
I see. Well, with the hard drives out... I
don't know how resistant to shocks that stuff is |
15:54.29 |
poolio |
Maloeran: geez. not fair. gimme one |
15:55.00 |
poolio |
there's no chance you could borrow/rent/use
someone elses nice desktop? |
15:55.36 |
Maloeran |
It's more like a high-end server machine than
a desktop |
15:55.42 |
brlcad |
Maloeran: put it inside your luggage and then
imagine throwing it outside a second-story building -- would you be
comfortable with that? |
15:55.52 |
brlcad |
that's a perfectly viable scenario that can
happen |
15:56.09 |
Maloeran |
Ouch, ouch. |
15:56.29 |
Maloeran |
Okay, looking into DHL |
15:57.55 |
brlcad |
it (should be) survice's dime, so it shouldn't
matter .. better to just be safe, otherwise there is no
demo |
15:58.33 |
brlcad |
that 100 or so is dwarfed by how much it's
costing to send two guys |
15:59.19 |
Maloeran |
Right. If I ship it, that would free my hands
to bring a bicycle too ; my hotel is 7 miles away |
15:59.33 |
brlcad |
ouch |
15:59.50 |
brlcad |
it's on the trolly route I hope? |
16:00.09 |
brlcad |
is it a siggraph hotel? |
16:00.34 |
Maloeran |
I think so, it was reserved indirectly from
their site |
16:01.22 |
brlcad |
the sheraton? |
16:01.44 |
Maloeran |
Checking... |
16:01.51 |
brlcad |
you might be in the same building as three
other guys |
16:01.55 |
Maloeran |
HILTON SAN DIEGO MISSION VALLEY |
16:01.59 |
brlcad |
ahh |
16:02.20 |
brlcad |
at least it's a little better |
16:02.55 |
brlcad |
hopefully has internet, though you can
generally hang out at the convention center until late on the
wifi |
16:03.06 |
Maloeran |
Do you know if there's some kind of shuttle
service for all siggraph hotels? |
16:03.20 |
brlcad |
there is shuttle service if it's a siggraph
hotel |
16:03.30 |
Maloeran |
Oh hum :), I actually gave my laptop to a
friend who was leaving for Japan for 2 years, I was very rarely
using it |
16:04.18 |
Maloeran |
In a way, that's also why I'm bringing my
desktop |
16:05.32 |
Maloeran |
Well, it looks like I won't be able to
raytrace a 28 million triangles model, malloc() refuses to
cooperate |
16:06.17 |
brlcad |
strap the desktop to your back, a UPS to your
chest, and you're good to go! |
16:07.10 |
brlcad |
Twingy was gonna do that one year with an O2
*ahem*, that woulda been fscking awesome :) |
16:07.18 |
Maloeran |
Woohoo! And a bicycle of course, how else
would a bring such a heavy E-ATX case? |
16:07.25 |
Maloeran |
Hum :) |
16:08.17 |
Maloeran |
Do you have any intelligent normal smoothing
code somewhere in BRL-CAD? |
16:09.05 |
Maloeran |
Something that considers angles between
triangles, angles between facet vectors, to smooth and spawn new
vertices when appropriate |
16:10.19 |
Maloeran |
I wrote something a long time ago but it's
brute force, it isn't meant for models of million
triangles |
16:10.22 |
brlcad |
rt_bot_smooth() |
16:10.33 |
brlcad |
not sure how "intelligent" it is, but there is
a routine for it |
16:10.53 |
Maloeran |
Do you know if it will create new vertices
rather than smoothing when appropriate? |
16:10.56 |
brlcad |
it's in src/librt/g_bot.c at the end |
16:11.49 |
brlcad |
no, it isn't going to create more vertices
iirc |
16:12.05 |
brlcad |
it just smooths the ones you have |
16:12.19 |
Maloeran |
Right, it's a bit too primitive. It would
create rather horrible results on a cube for example |
16:12.31 |
brlcad |
basically: |
16:12.32 |
brlcad |
<PROTECTED> |
16:12.35 |
brlcad |
<PROTECTED> |
16:12.39 |
brlcad |
<PROTECTED> |
16:12.41 |
brlcad |
<PROTECTED> |
16:12.54 |
brlcad |
because siggraph says miles :) |
16:13.03 |
``Erik |
ah |
16:13.08 |
``Erik |
7mi ~= 10km |
16:13.08 |
Maloeran |
Eheh Erik, the website said the hotel was 7
miles away. I have no idea what's that in km |
16:13.24 |
``Erik |
.62 miles = 1km |
16:13.38 |
Maloeran |
Right, it's a long walk, or a tiring
run |
16:13.39 |
brlcad |
ibot: convert 7 miles to kilometers |
16:13.57 |
``Erik |
aboot ten, eh? |
16:14.20 |
``Erik |
is that hooked into the 'units'
program? |
16:14.30 |
brlcad |
beats me |
16:14.35 |
brlcad |
have to look at blootbot's source |
16:14.47 |
brlcad |
but probably |
16:15.42 |
``Erik |
something not addressed by most unit
conversion packages... a bit trickier than the 0 base ones, but
quite doable :( |
16:16.03 |
Maloeran |
Erik, may I ask what's the official reason you
aren't going to Siggraph this year? Since Sean and others are
going |
16:16.04 |
``Erik |
if nothing else, grok kelvin vs C, and
rankines vs F... ... |
16:16.20 |
``Erik |
because I'm not "special", and it's written
into seans contract? |
16:16.38 |
``Erik |
I was on the initial list, but my bosses
bosses bosses bosses bosses boss said "only 3 gov't people
go" |
16:16.44 |
``Erik |
and I wasn't on that omfg list |
16:17.28 |
``Erik |
it's stupid, and one of the reasons I'm about
ready to step back into the civil sector. |
16:18.44 |
Maloeran |
Survice looks like a nice place from what I
have seen, there are some challenging problems to solve |
16:19.09 |
Maloeran |
They basically let me pick what I wanted to
work on, and CFD looked fun :) |
16:19.13 |
``Erik |
there're always challenging problems, but I'm
kinda lookng at going back to the midwest, I can afford a ferakin'
mansion out there |
16:19.58 |
``Erik |
I have an offer for a very comfortable job
there that pays the same as what I make now... "choose your own
hours, work from home" etc |
16:19.59 |
``Erik |
.. |
16:20.09 |
``Erik |
I need to figure out where I'm going
*sigh* |
16:20.51 |
``Erik |
I half suspect that if I land a decent job and
regain the joy of coding, I'll be able to do more for brlcad than
where I'm at now :/ |
16:21.25 |
Maloeran |
Are there any hopes of change within the ARL
if you let managers know your dissatisfaction? |
16:21.38 |
``Erik |
<-- has a strong urge to link brlcad to the
gaming group |
16:21.39 |
Maloeran |
I can understand that :/ |
16:22.02 |
``Erik |
um, I've let several layers of mgmt know my
discontent in no uncertain terms several times |
16:22.05 |
Maloeran |
Brlcad, gaming? These two concepts don't
appear to mix too well |
16:22.19 |
``Erik |
brlcad to generate the game models and maps,
:) |
16:22.39 |
Maloeran |
And there's no effort to move you around
internally where you would be happier? |
16:22.42 |
``Erik |
they'll put all sorts of insane pressure on mr
brlcad to make it a user friendly modeling package, and mebbehe can
sell it |
16:22.56 |
``Erik |
there is effort to accept me... there is
resistance to release me |
16:23.25 |
``Erik |
so on tuesday, I need to do the "I'm leaving,
pick where I go, arl or outside" speach |
16:23.51 |
Maloeran |
Well, there's good people at Survice if you
want to look that way. Mark is the opposite of the pointy haired
manager stereotype |
16:24.32 |
brlcad |
and have been for years, that's why it's
priority #1 and pretty much all of the work going on even now has
been towards solving that problem :) |
16:24.39 |
``Erik |
meh, if I escape gov't life, it'll be in a big
way, I surpect |
16:25.05 |
``Erik |
hehehe, if game devers get into it, mebbe
they'd throw their towel in teh ring and support it, other than
bitching :) |
16:25.28 |
``Erik |
<-- thinks the biggest os boon would be to
get serious attention from the videogame wannabees... |
16:25.53 |
``Erik |
and I like to imagine that I'm not too
terribly wrong too terribly often |
16:26.00 |
brlcad |
log cabin in the middle of nowhere with an
OC128 |
16:26.52 |
poolio |
brlcad: poolio.org is up, thanks
again |
16:27.39 |
brlcad |
no problemo, nifty |
16:28.47 |
brlcad |
which is what I've been doing all weekend so
far |
16:28.48 |
poolio |
brlcad: oh weird, it doesn't work for me, i
get a blank page? what....? it worked fine last night :\ |
16:28.49 |
brlcad |
good stuff |
16:29.37 |
brlcad |
poolio: it's working just fine here |
16:29.47 |
brlcad |
maybe browser cache junk |
16:29.55 |
poolio |
yeah appears to be |
16:30.45 |
Maloeran |
Mmhm, gamedev. I had a strange urge to create
a warcraft 3 map about two months ago ; I spent about 10 days
sleeping only once every 2 days, that was... peculiar |
16:31.00 |
Maloeran |
Their scripting language is actually very
complete |
16:31.43 |
``Erik |
'world of warcraft' seems to use lua |
16:31.59 |
``Erik |
I've also been acutely interested in 'bos' and
'danger from the deep' |
16:32.14 |
``Erik |
both have freendoe channels that I lurk...
#bos and #dangerdeep :) |
16:32.28 |
``Erik |
getting mac builds of either is... highly
interesting, as they both use scons |
16:32.29 |
``Erik |
:/ |
16:32.35 |
Maloeran |
I haven't heard of these. I just wanted to
create a good, deep and long multiplayer campaign map |
16:33.04 |
brlcad |
http://spring.clan-sy.com/ |
16:33.08 |
``Erik |
dangerdeep is a semi-realistic ww2 sub sim,
bos is kinda like a starcrafty clone |
16:34.03 |
Maloeran |
Never heard of scons, and I mostly broke your
autoconf stuff in Rayforce once again :). For some reason, it's
compiling the same files 5 times, once for each binary |
16:34.31 |
``Erik |
'scons' is a python make imitation, from
people who don't understand portability trying to outdo autoconfs
portability... |
16:34.32 |
``Erik |
:/ |
16:34.41 |
``Erik |
it's a flaming piece of crap, imho. |
16:35.00 |
``Erik |
um, you must've used name prefixes |
16:35.23 |
Maloeran |
I get .o files such as rfdemo-img.o,
rfmaster-img.o, etc. for the img.c file |
16:35.43 |
brlcad |
ah, you set FLAGS |
16:36.06 |
Maloeran |
Ah yes, I set CFLAGS |
16:36.08 |
brlcad |
since the cppflags/cflags can cause different
compilation results |
16:36.33 |
Maloeran |
I see, good point. Though, in this case, it
doesn't actually matter |
16:36.36 |
brlcad |
e.g. make
CFLAGS="-DBEHAVE_DIFFERENT_FOR_RFDEMO" |
16:37.20 |
brlcad |
set AM_CFLAGS instead of it should be global
and the multicomp should go away iirc |
16:37.36 |
brlcad |
s/of/if/ |
16:37.51 |
Maloeran |
Thanks, I'll try that |
16:38.39 |
brlcad |
it's the rfdemo_CFLAGS that will usually cause
the prefixed compilation results |
16:39.49 |
Maloeran |
*nods* It works. I mostly broke Erik's
autoconf stuff when I thrown SDL away to use X11 directly so I can
do proper and efficient frame buffering |
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16:40.52 |
Maloeran |
Do you know if X on OSX and other platforms
have the Xxf86vm extensions? |
16:42.07 |
brlcad |
I believe OS X has that, but should probably
test for it in configure regardless |
16:42.13 |
brlcad |
i think mplayer has a test for that |
16:42.43 |
Maloeran |
configure is still testing for SDL at the
moment, but I'll attempt to correct that |
16:43.13 |
``Erik |
what's so terribly wrong with sdl?
O.o |
16:43.44 |
``Erik |
it's been used to make sprite based games that
run over 60fps on very low end hw |
16:43.48 |
Maloeran |
It's impossible to render multiple frames
simultaneously without having to copy the whole data *twice* to get
it visible |
16:43.59 |
Maloeran |
Yes yes, it's all good as long as you render
just one frame at a time |
16:44.28 |
``Erik |
hum, I thought there was a flag to set for
'direct' drawing, so double-buffering would be completely under
developer control |
16:45.19 |
Maloeran |
I dig far in the code, I even put out a quick
patch to implement multiple frame buffers but the SDL developers
weren't interested |
16:45.41 |
Maloeran |
Because "Most people don't need that" and
because "'S' stands for Simple" |
16:45.59 |
``Erik |
hum, did they say why? |
16:46.25 |
brlcad |
reasonable test for Xxf86vm in
http://profile.iiita.ac.in/smajumdar_00/xine/xine-ui-0.9.21/configure.ac |
16:46.46 |
Maloeran |
I can imagine that most people only render one
frame at a time, it's understandable, but that's not acceptable in
my case |
16:46.53 |
Maloeran |
Thanks brlcad |
16:47.16 |
``Erik |
I would imagine that if it ere argued
coherently, sammy woulda picked it up :/ |
16:47.29 |
``Erik |
he seems to be reasonable |
16:47.56 |
Maloeran |
I don't think I had chatted with the lead
programmer, just one of his minion |
16:48.36 |
brlcad |
minion's are useless for getting core
changes |
16:48.47 |
``Erik |
sam langtingua or whatever, that's the homey
to talk to |
16:48.52 |
``Erik |
he watches the mailing list |
16:49.29 |
Maloeran |
Before I wrote the code for it, I posted on
the mailing list to ask for thoughts on the idea, the feature was
"unlikely" to be implemented |
16:49.49 |
``Erik |
lame |
16:49.56 |
Maloeran |
It required changes for every platform and I
only did the X11 one, so I can understand why they were
reluctant |
16:50.06 |
Maloeran |
But anyway, things are working nicely using
X11 directly |
16:50.21 |
``Erik |
nothing wrong with straight x11 if you're *nix
only |
16:50.22 |
``Erik |
:) |
16:50.30 |
Maloeran |
Exactly :) |
16:51.05 |
``Erik |
<-- has a couple striaght x11 programs in
his devel/ tree |
16:52.02 |
Maloeran |
*nods* So do I |
16:52.23 |
Maloeran |
The documentation on the API and extensions is
sometimes lacking, I found that a bit annoying |
16:52.52 |
``Erik |
<-- may be a weirdo, but truely enjoys
saurkraut as a hot dog topping |
16:53.11 |
Maloeran |
"This parameter is... a mask flag! And we'll
let you guess the rest, what it's for and what values it can
take." |
16:53.24 |
``Erik |
hehehe |
16:56.31 |
Maloeran |
What could make AM_CFLAGS be ignored in a
Makefile.am? Suddently, it's not added to the compilation lines
anymore |
16:58.00 |
Maloeran |
Ah nevermind, it's only automatic if no
specific CFLAGS are specified for a binary. Got it |
16:59.09 |
brlcad |
yeah, per-binary overrrides, you'd have to say
you wanted them if you override like rfdemo_CFLAGS="${AM_CFLAGS}
-O1000 -DYUM" |
16:59.31 |
Maloeran |
*nods* Thank you |
17:13.46 |
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17:17.38 |
IriX64 |
errors everywhere and make keeps on trucking
(my new and improved -i(gnore) switch works beautifullu) |
17:17.59 |
IriX64 |
-u+y |
17:19.50 |
IriX64 |
http://rafb.net/p/Lm7x7L15.html
< ---- see |
17:21.07 |
poolio |
I think there's a reasons errors cause
aborting |
17:21.33 |
IriX64 |
there is but sometimes you know (ill fix it
later type of thing) |
17:22.02 |
IriX64 |
why let one bit of the project keep you from
testing the rest |
17:22.39 |
poolio |
well if the entire rest of the project depends
on that part... |
17:22.46 |
poolio |
IriX64: also, got my website up and running:
poolio.org |
17:22.56 |
IriX64 |
agreed then your hornswoggled |
17:23.07 |
IriX64 |
http://poolio.org? |
17:23.55 |
poolio |
jah |
17:24.45 |
IriX64 |
hahah nice site (jokingly says needs fleshing
out ) ducking and running :) |
17:25.11 |
poolio |
it's minimal. not designed to be pretty or
fleshed out. no need. |
17:25.17 |
IriX64 |
better than mine |
17:26.03 |
poolio |
never seen yours ;) |
17:26.32 |
IriX64 |
heh yah you have its just got some files on it
(supposed to put a page up but i'm lazy) |
17:27.50 |
IriX64 |
maybe i'll re-install staroffice and design a
page |
17:28.21 |
IriX64 |
64bit staroffice? /me muses |
17:31.28 |
IriX64 |
that disk crash did me good, I've never had so
much fun putting things back where they're sposed to be, I'm about
50%recovered |
17:32.08 |
Maloeran |
You should install Gentoo, you'll have a lot
of fun constantly fixing stuff |
17:33.36 |
IriX64 |
heh i'm busy enough as it is |
17:34.14 |
poolio |
busy enough fixing windows constantly
:) |
17:34.24 |
Maloeran |
Recently, I just installed some package for a
library, and... PAM broke with "Module not found" so it was
impossible to log in, then fsck.ext3 had disappeared so it didn't
want to mount the root partition, and a couple other pleasant
discoveries |
17:34.47 |
poolio |
livecd to the rescue? |
17:35.00 |
Maloeran |
Installing that package just "removed" many
critical pieces, even thought Portage still believed they were
installed |
17:35.16 |
Maloeran |
Ah, I fixed things manually, I know Linux
enough by now :) |
17:35.26 |
Maloeran |
even though* |
17:35.30 |
poolio |
hmm, just switched over to debian from gentoo.
really like it so far. apt-get upgrade is around 30x faster than
emerge -u world |
17:37.24 |
Maloeran |
I prefer to do things manually to a great
extend, but there's something wrong when installing a library
removes many chunks of critical software everywhere |
17:37.53 |
poolio |
not the Gentoo Penguin? |
17:38.07 |
Maloeran |
The Gentoo mascot is a cow, is it not? Or it
used to be |
17:38.26 |
poolio |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentoo_penguin |
17:38.46 |
poolio |
http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/about.xml |
17:38.48 |
poolio |
I think you're right |
17:38.55 |
poolio |
named after a penguin, but their mascot is a
cow, hmm. |
17:39.14 |
IriX64 |
my mascot is #undef ;) |
17:50.07 |
IriX64 |
http://rafb.net/p/0cqq9B36.html
are you interested in this? it's tedit in mged |
17:53.08 |
IriX64 |
never mind its that wgl stuff |
17:53.22 |
brlcad |
IriX64: no, i'm not interestd in that
:) |
17:53.30 |
IriX64 |
thought so :) |
17:53.40 |
brlcad |
as it's a random error after you've provoked
the build way too many times to get that far to be useful |
17:54.01 |
IriX64 |
heh come its semi-useful :) |
17:55.50 |
IriX64 |
provoked the build ... interesting is that why
it's biting my hand off ;) |
17:57.34 |
IriX64 |
btw i'm just exploring, and theres quite a bit
of wgl stuff, dm_xvars.h and dm_wgl.h have issues |
17:59.02 |
brlcad |
of course they do |
17:59.16 |
brlcad |
it all stems from your configure tests not
working as they are expected to |
17:59.24 |
brlcad |
that has been the problem from the
beginning |
17:59.34 |
brlcad |
for months and months, it hasn't
changed |
17:59.36 |
IriX64 |
well I told you my system was
strange |
17:59.57 |
brlcad |
it doesn't matter if it's strange of now, it's
just configure tests |
18:00.08 |
IriX64 |
you indicated you wouldn/t mind me pasting the
errors as they might prove usefull |
18:00.10 |
brlcad |
the tests aren't doing what's expected, and
until they do, this will be the case |
18:00.33 |
brlcad |
i also said it entirely depends on how you get
those errors |
18:00.41 |
brlcad |
random errors are not useful |
18:00.58 |
brlcad |
methodical ones done in progress can be if
it's isolatable |
18:01.21 |
IriX64 |
btw that tree still awairts you |
18:01.25 |
IriX64 |
awaits too |
18:01.26 |
brlcad |
if you edit *anything* that you've not been
asked to edit, then it's a random error |
18:01.46 |
brlcad |
if it's an error after *any* previous error,
then it's effectively a random error |
18:01.47 |
IriX64 |
good now we're clear |
18:02.08 |
brlcad |
we've been "clear" a couple dozen times
:) |
18:02.26 |
IriX64 |
heh i know but at the very least its comic
releif no:) |
18:02.35 |
Maloeran |
Practice makes perfect! |
18:02.49 |
IriX64 |
ill keep practicing |
18:03.32 |
IriX64 |
thanks for letting me hang out is what i'm
trying to say here. |
18:04.33 |
brlcad |
you could be so much more productive on
brl-cad if you simply wanted to be, and gave yourself credit when
it was due for effort you do put in that helps |
18:05.38 |
brlcad |
if your build environment were working, you'd
probably be a great regression tester :) |
18:05.46 |
IriX64 |
http://rafb.net/p/OheeIZ16.html
<--- thanks, this is more fun, make did it i really don't think
itll run that was supposed to be a mingw32 build :) |
18:06.42 |
brlcad |
i think you might have missed about four
periods there :) |
18:07.16 |
IriX64 |
heh |
18:09.22 |
IriX64 |
looking for the jove.exe, it's not there i
wonder why :) |
18:11.18 |
Maloeran |
Yay, typical. SSE3 added wonderful
instructions such as haddps for horizontal adding... except that
it's slower than the sequence movaps,shufps,addps which produces
the same result |
18:12.36 |
IriX64 |
you using a dissasembler Maloeran? |
18:14.26 |
Maloeran |
No, trying to optimize some code |
18:19.41 |
IriX64 |
by hand? kudos |
18:21.15 |
IriX64 |
which processor, may I ask? |
18:21.26 |
Maloeran |
Yes although I'm mostly trying to get GCC to
produce good code from C instead. As always, it's not going too
well, GCC is rather stupid regarding register allocation and memory
aliasing |
18:21.29 |
Maloeran |
Xeon Clovertown |
18:22.10 |
IriX64 |
16? or 8? |
18:22.46 |
Maloeran |
Hum, I don't understand the question |
18:22.53 |
IriX64 |
gcc? what version supports that? |
18:23.33 |
Maloeran |
Ah, I'm using gcc 4.1.2 but the mtune
optimisation swich is -mtune=nocona, the same as Core 2
chips |
18:23.41 |
IriX64 |
doesn't matter im in over my head anyway
:) |
18:24.26 |
IriX64 |
mine is a simple opteron |
18:24.54 |
IriX64 |
but im trying for global coverage instead of
targetting one processor |
18:27.24 |
IriX64 |
although -march=opteron -mtune=opteron works
here |
18:27.31 |
IriX64 |
err = |
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21:02.13 |
louipc |
What's a good way to describe BRL-CAD as
powerful without actually using the word? It seems too many
packages use that magic word. |
21:02.56 |
``Erik |
'big hairy balls' |
21:03.21 |
``Erik |
it has over 400 specialty tools built on it
*shrug* |
21:03.35 |
louipc |
comprehensive? hah |
21:03.53 |
louipc |
hmm |
21:05.31 |
louipc |
extensive! |
21:20.47 |
``Erik |
*shrug* throw the #'s out? 30 years in the
making, over 400 binaries, ... *shrug* |
21:38.49 |
louipc |
that might work |
21:41.01 |
``Erik |
is it just me, or is mia kirshner totally
rompable? O.o |
21:41.37 |
louipc |
oh yeah |
21:42.49 |
``Erik |
'not another teen movie' is on comedy
central... |
21:43.00 |
louipc |
heheh |