IRC log for #brlcad on 20070903

00:09.56 ``Erik css screams of a solution to a different problem :(
00:12.28 ``Erik heh
00:45.43 *** join/#brlcad PrezKennedy (i=Matt@74.86.45.130)
01:48.02 brlcad MinuteElectron: well, I got the header menu auto-sizing now (at least horizontally, not gonna touch vertically..)
01:48.47 brlcad annoying padding problem on firefox that I couldn't get rid of that makes the horizontal scrollbar show up for all of 5 pixels
01:49.52 brlcad it has to be related to the navcorner, but i'm sick of it now :)
02:50.44 brlcad hm, actually was related to the separators .. which I wasn't really happy with regardless, so I just ripped them out
02:51.00 brlcad seems to work fine now
03:12.52 *** join/#brlcad poolio_ (n=poolio@c-71-206-215-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net)
04:12.44 brlcad woot, and it even looks okay in IE6 now
04:20.32 yukonbob brlcad: did you see my posting earlier today re: that pipe and rotation?
04:35.00 yukonbob ~lart errror
04:35.00 ibot whips out a sword and chops errror in half
04:35.08 yukonbob ~lart error
04:35.08 ibot declares error a moron
04:40.55 louipc I guess error got the bot that time
05:56.04 *** join/#brlcad Laniakea (i=clock@77-56-102-185.dclient.hispeed.ch)
06:12.40 *** join/#brlcad PrezKennedy (i=Matt@74.86.45.130)
07:06.28 *** join/#brlcad Laniakea (n=clock@zux221-122-143.adsl.green.ch)
09:15.49 MinuteElectron brlcad: I though you wanted the poll in the sidebar?
09:23.34 brlcad erm, I do/did
09:23.39 brlcad i wasn't working on that
09:24.54 MinuteElectron No, but you said about promoting it to the main page. That is easy, but how do I get it into the sidebar from there?
09:26.49 brlcad ah, that's a view you just turn on iirc
09:27.26 brlcad i'm having basic password problems oddly enough .. i've disabled ldap and reset my password and it still won't accept it on a re-login
09:28.28 brlcad I did get the menu working, as well as a bunch of other style and layout tweaks
09:29.42 brlcad alas, now it's my turn to nap :) ttyl
09:30.09 MinuteElectron night
09:30.12 MinuteElectron I tihhnk
09:38.20 brlcad Admin -> Site Building -> Blocks -> "Most Recent Poll"
09:38.45 brlcad you've got the left and right sidebar styles swapped (or at least you're displaying the left on the right
09:40.05 brlcad there's a variety of blocks that can be turned on/off in the blocks section, lett-to-three column layouts by just selecting the dropdown and weights
09:40.52 MinuteElectron <PROTECTED>
10:05.06 *** mode/#brlcad [+o brlcad] by ChanServ
10:34.01 ``Erik </blah
12:37.52 *** join/#brlcad MinuteElectron (n=MinuteEl@bz.bzflag.bz)
13:02.06 *** join/#brlcad cad93 (n=daccd80d@bz.bzflag.bz)
13:06.52 *** join/#brlcad Elperion (n=Bary@p5487498E.dip.t-dialin.net)
13:54.52 *** join/#brlcad elite01 (n=elite01@dslc-082-082-092-234.pools.arcor-ip.net)
14:01.14 *** join/#brlcad kwizart (n=kwizart@fedora/kwizart)
14:01.14 kwizart hi!
14:01.14 kwizart can brlcad can work with a "vanilla" openNurbs ?
14:02.10 kwizart i need to check what have changed with the openNurbs sources so openNurbs can be build shared externally...
15:44.24 brlcad kwizart: yes it can though we have made mods so that the build works
15:45.47 brlcad i believe you can see in the commit log in src/other/openNURBS where I made the handful of necessary mods that fixed their files/build
15:45.48 kwizart because it seems better to take your patches - but some of them seems related to copyright changes... and some others are moving headers...
15:46.05 kwizart well i have made a diff -uNr
15:46.19 kwizart but the resulting patch is huge...
15:48.25 brlcad in src/other/openNURBS?
15:50.56 kwizart yes
15:52.21 kwizart did I missed something ?
15:52.30 brlcad are you doing a cvs diff or a dir-to-dir diff?
15:53.52 kwizart dir-to-dir
15:56.43 *** join/#brlcad Elperion (n=Bary@p5487498E.dip.t-dialin.net)
15:56.44 brlcad can you post your diff, might be easier if I see what you see :)
15:59.05 brlcad yeah, I don't see anything copyright related
15:59.23 brlcad jason re-implemented a lot of functionality that the rhino guys ripped out
15:59.47 kwizart http://kwizart.free.fr/fedora/patches/openNURBS-4.0-openNURBS_brlcad.patch
16:01.00 brlcad for reference, here's what I have that we modified http://my.brlcad.org/~sean/opennurbs.patch
16:01.19 brlcad cvs -q diff -b -B -kk -u -r 1.1 > changes.patch
16:04.06 brlcad hm, your diff has several oddities... entire files added/missing
16:04.21 brlcad e.g. opennurbs_crashtest.h
16:04.29 kwizart yes!
16:04.31 kwizart but why ?
16:10.30 brlcad i'm thinking the opennurbs we started with is different
16:13.21 kwizart i've took the 4.0 version of it...i don't remember if when it was released...
16:13.21 brlcad i'm checking that now
16:13.21 brlcad they have a tendency to release several version of the same version
16:13.32 brlcad yep, that's it
16:13.32 brlcad -#define OPENNURBS_VERSION 200707189
16:13.33 brlcad +#define OPENNURBS_VERSION 200612059
16:13.53 brlcad they made a release just really recently .. didn't know that
16:14.07 brlcad we started with the december 2006 release
16:14.28 brlcad so I'll have to merge in their update
16:15.23 brlcad that's the missing files and copyright 'changes' -- e.g. files that they had that didn't have a copyright header, now have one
16:16.07 brlcad yeah, and they're both "4.0"
16:18.26 kwizart yes and they also have updated -// Copyright (c) 1993-2007 even if the file hasn't other update
16:19.12 kwizart i don't know how i can consider the "not even copyleft" notice
16:21.02 kwizart if there is not FOSS compliant License this is not supposed to be allowed in Fedora...
16:21.02 brlcad it's because their terms basically say it's public domain
16:21.11 brlcad think of it as a 0-clause BSD license
16:21.57 brlcad it's of course technically not public domain, they retained copyright, but they allow any use
16:23.15 brlcad their terms on the website are a bit misworded "There are no restrictions. Neither copyright nor copyleft restrictions apply." .. that's basically saying public domain
16:24.10 brlcad and contradict their files, which claim copyright but then refer you to the website :)
16:24.48 brlcad we should pull in their website 'terms' just to cover arse
16:40.56 *** join/#brlcad MinuteElectron (n=MinuteEl@silentflame/member/minuteelectron)
16:51.11 *** join/#brlcad MinuteElectron (n=MinuteEl@bz.bzflag.bz)
16:53.01 *** join/#brlcad MinuteElectron (n=MinuteEl@bz.bzflag.bz)
17:02.58 *** join/#brlcad poolio (n=poolio@c-71-206-215-46.hsd1.pa.comcast.net)
17:13.16 *** join/#brlcad Twingy (n=justin@74.92.144.217)
17:13.27 Laniakea brlcad: something for you http://ronja.twibright.com/3d/all.avi
17:15.35 Laniakea ``Erik: isn't the BRL-CAD requirement for the latest version of OpenBSD a bit stringent?
17:53.34 brlcad MinuteElectron: fixed the footer on collapse/expand though I had to use a nasty nasty hack
17:54.27 MinuteElectron Hmm, /me wonders what the nasty hack was.
17:56.43 brlcad look at misc/collapse.js
17:56.59 MinuteElectron Oh, I see.
17:57.01 brlcad basically resize the window during the animation
17:57.22 brlcad it's a bit clunky on expansion, but fairly smooth on collapse here
17:58.15 brlcad also fixed my login problems.. the ldap module wasn't working right
17:59.03 MinuteElectron Hmm, it appeared to be broken -I got a few PHP errors.
18:00.58 CIA-21 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/TODO: openNURBS just released an update back at the end of July, schedule integrating/reviewing those changes
18:05.21 brlcad hmm, that's pretty freaking cool Laniakea... and he left
18:16.35 MinuteElectron brlcad: Can you quickly submit a vote on the poll so I can see how my styling looks when applied at a different percentage level?
18:17.32 MinuteElectron Not sure whether dark should indicate percentage or light should.
18:19.43 MinuteElectron I gotta run, bbl.
18:22.47 brlcad MinuteElectron: i don't see a way TO vote.. :)
18:24.31 brlcad there aren't any options other that seeing the results, and posting comments
19:08.21 *** join/#brlcad Laniakea (i=clock@77-56-96-242.dclient.hispeed.ch)
19:23.33 brlcad that's pretty freaking cool Laniakea...
19:24.27 Laniakea brlcad: thanks
19:24.55 Laniakea brlcad: it's unfinished yet but if you want to do something with it it's under GFDL
19:26.03 Laniakea like for example there are some flashes inside and I don't know what is causing them yet
19:26.11 *** join/#brlcad starseeker (n=CY@ip72-218-16-62.hr.hr.cox.net)
19:26.12 Laniakea or the bitrate needs to be increased
19:26.19 Laniakea end titles are missing
19:26.25 Laniakea the music ends abruptly
19:26.39 Laniakea the ordering of the individual 3D models is more or less random
19:31.57 *** join/#brlcad elite01 (n=elite01@dslc-082-082-092-234.pools.arcor-ip.net)
19:33.15 Laniakea brlcad: is it possible to make some kind of cartoon style? By overlaying the rtedge output with rt output?
19:35.59 MinuteElectron brlcad: Have you tried looking at the main page while logged in?
19:40.20 brlcad yeah, I noticed the flashes
19:40.53 MinuteElectron brlcad: You should be able to vote now.
19:41.38 brlcad Laniakea: it is possible, the rtwizard tool does that exact thing .. basically you do an rt, and and rtedge, and with the right options the two can be composited together using another cad tool (pixmatte iirc)
19:42.38 brlcad MinuteElectron: okay, now it worked :)
19:42.39 brlcad what was it?
19:42.52 MinuteElectron I had to set permissions.
19:42.55 brlcad ahh
19:45.31 MinuteElectron bbl
19:47.24 Laniakea brlcad: what's the meaning of in1, in2, true_out and false_out files in pixmatte?
19:47.25 brlcad another detail I changed on the style, black and white aren't used except for exceptional situations -- using 111 and eee instead as needed
19:47.33 brlcad otherwise the contrast can be outright painful on some displays
19:47.57 brlcad Laniakea: it's a dual channel filtering program
19:48.10 brlcad so you provide two input streams, and filters on both streams
19:48.14 brlcad manpage has some examples
19:48.27 Laniakea I don't have manpage
19:48.38 Laniakea I would understand 2 channels and a mask saying which one should go out
19:48.41 brlcad hm?
19:48.44 brlcad brlman pixmatte
19:48.56 brlcad or man -M /usr/brlcad/man pixmatte
19:49.22 Laniakea huh?
19:49.22 Laniakea I didn't know there is a thing like brlman
19:49.22 Laniakea now it works
19:49.22 brlcad if you have brl-cad installed, there are hundreds of manual pages :)
19:49.28 Laniakea I always guessed
19:49.37 Laniakea I didn't know the manpages are available
19:49.38 brlcad you have to set your MANPATH, use -M, or use brlman (which just does it for you)
19:49.50 Laniakea I tried "man something" and when it failed I assumed brl-cad doesn't come with manpage
19:49.56 brlcad ahh
19:50.01 brlcad just like setting your PATH
19:51.33 Laniakea oh now I understand
19:51.33 brlcad i'd suggest setting MANPATH since brlman's pager is kinda lame
19:52.38 Laniakea is it possible to turn off the shading so that rt would return just the material color? So it would be filled with uniform colour like cartoons and not shaded color like 3d model?
19:52.38 Laniakea but brlman rtwizard is not available
20:03.24 brlcad only about 300 of the 400 tools have manpages
20:04.11 brlcad to turn off shading, I believe there is a lighting model for that (-L option iirc, under gui options too) and if that doesn't work, you can always set the shader to 'flat'
20:31.09 *** join/#brlcad Elperion (n=Bary@p5487498E.dip.t-dialin.net)
22:12.25 ``Erik that time of the month? O.o
22:30.47 kwizart hum! why /usr/bin/wall from brlcad conflict with SysVinit ?
22:53.02 *** join/#brlcad yukonbob (n=yukonbob@204.244.194.11)

Generated by irclog2html.pl Modified by Tim Riker to work with infobot.