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| 00:40.13 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/other/blt/src/bltInit.c: the minimum version checks are bogus for the pre-release alpha distribution, it needs to check all the way down to the patch level |
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| 00:42.07 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/archer/archer: additional try/catch checking for archer so that we can print better abort messages when things go horribly wrong |
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| 06:04.04 | brlcad | g'damn finally, archer now actually works on os x... |
| 06:35.48 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/archer/archer: |
| 06:35.48 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: the mighty bob lieth not. blt_library really _does_ need to be set AFTER blt is |
| 06:35.48 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: loaded. the variable is wiped out during Blt_Init() yet is subsequently |
| 06:35.49 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: required/expected in the Tabnotebook. this is the final mod that actually makes |
| 06:35.49 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: Archer work on Mac OS X (tested, and seemingly fully functional) and probably on |
| 06:35.51 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: Linux and BSD too now. |
| 06:37.32 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/TODO: |
| 06:37.32 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: archer is now functional, at least seems to be fully functional now on Mac OS X |
| 06:37.32 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: with the slew of resource and library mods that were needed. archer runs both |
| 06:37.32 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: installed an even uninstalled from a compiled source directory. |
| 06:44.38 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/TODO: dupe |
| 06:49.24 | yukonbob | brlcad: nice! |
| 06:51.52 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/ (7 files in 2 dirs): |
| 06:51.53 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: already deprecated since 7.0, consider the following files finally obsolete for |
| 06:51.53 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: the next minor update: msr.h, rtstring.h, rtlist.h, shortvect.h, shortvect-pr.h; |
| 06:51.53 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: the contents of those files moved into or were replace by functionality in the |
| 06:51.53 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: bu.h header |
| 06:54.28 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/TODO: there are a variety of install and post-install support scripts now, aside from being an overly vague/generic todo item |
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| 07:35.43 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/ (TODO doc/deprecation.txt): move the deprecation items to their own file so that they can actually be preserved in a running log of API changes, including basic guidelines for how to go from deprecated to obsolete. |
| 07:45.08 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/TODO: implement a lighting model for rt that visualizes how expensive each pixel is to compute via some heat graph. |
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| 13:52.46 | L0CALZ_0NLY | brlcad: what about taking rtedge and in the black pixels and neighbouring ones raytrace it with higher resolution than in the remaining ones? |
| 13:53.06 | L0CALZ_0NLY | it should work fine on models without texture mapping |
| 14:16.47 | yukonbob | ...on to tclcadAutoPath.c. |
| 14:41.29 | ``Erik | O.o |
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| 15:24.31 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/bench/run.sh: |
| 15:24.31 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: Add another path for RT. |
| 15:24.31 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: Search for 'moss.g' in $DB and cull (so if the .g's are in a different dir than $(top_srcdir)/db, the right path is used). |
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| 16:19.44 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/src/rt/view.c: Disable image restart. |
| 16:25.07 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: sorry to bug but a bit of info about the current website status would be nice. |
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| 17:03.48 | frbrgeorge | hi there |
| 17:05.38 | frbrgeorge | I've got a problem with autogen/configure BRL-CAD |
| 17:07.10 | ``Erik | O.o |
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| 17:08.35 | frbrgeorge | using -l<library> in LDFLAGS instead of LIBS in autogen.sh cause modern ld failed |
| 17:10.03 | ``Erik | hum, where are you seeing that? |
| 17:11.09 | frbrgeorge | we have --as-needed bu default in our distro |
| 17:11.44 | frbrgeorge | (I mean ld --as-needed) |
| 17:12.19 | ``Erik | ah, a debian or ubuntu? |
| 17:12.46 | ``Erik | with a broken libtool? heh |
| 17:13.18 | frbrgeorge | so "cc conftest.c -lpng" works, but "cc -lpng conftest.c" doesn't |
| 17:13.34 | frbrgeorge | no, ALT Linux ;) |
| 17:14.12 | ``Erik | odd, so it's breaking at configure time? with the distributed configure script? |
| 17:14.55 | ``Erik | <-- doens't have any -l stuff in any of his LDFLAGS vars, grepped it all |
| 17:15.42 | ``Erik | mebbe if you could post the offending bit of config.log to, say, http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/ ? |
| 17:15.49 | frbrgeorge | no it just can't foind libpng, libx11 etc, but not breaks :) |
| 17:19.27 | frbrgeorge | well, let me check my unhack first... |
| 17:28.54 | frbrgeorge | ...it partly works |
| 17:33.29 | frbrgeorge | there's nothing special to paste, but http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/pastebin.php?dl=d8910551 |
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| 17:34.44 | qazwsx | I've been playing with mged and I was wondefing if there are operationsin brlcad like the following: " here's a line segment; rotate it about this axis; get me a curved surface"; "here's a line segment; extrude it in this direction, get me a surface", ... "here is a line segment; here is a sphere, run the sphere through the line, get me the corresponding surface" |
| 17:35.35 | ``Erik | and when you flip where the -lpng is on that compile line, it works? |
| 17:36.01 | frbrgeorge | ``Erik: yep |
| 17:36.05 | ``Erik | qaz: not really, it's a solid modeller... the last one can be done with a pipe or cylinder and sphere's unioned on the ends... |
| 17:36.21 | qazwsx | ``Erik: any suggestion of anther tool? |
| 17:37.18 | ``Erik | frbrgeorge: that's a straight up AC_CHECK_LIB() ... I dunno what to tell you with that :/ |
| 17:37.34 | ``Erik | qazwsx: you mean like qcad or blender? O.o |
| 17:38.20 | frbrgeorge | ``Erik: is autogen.sh 15,1 Top |
| 17:38.37 | frbrgeorge | ``Erik: (oops) is autogen.sh a generated file |
| 17:38.38 | frbrgeorge | ? |
| 17:38.43 | ``Erik | autogen.sh should just call autoreconf with some flags |
| 17:39.01 | ``Erik | it's a script that brlcad found or wrote and has been tweaked a bit |
| 17:39.17 | frbrgeorge | ``Erik: (oops twice:) I mean configure.ac, neturally |
| 17:40.05 | ``Erik | erm, no? O.o |
| 17:44.14 | frbrgeorge | ``Erik: so if configure.ac is written manually, one has to replace those LDFLAGS="$LDFLAGS $LIBPNG" (etc.) clauses with LIBS="$LIBS $LIBPNG" |
| 17:47.14 | ``Erik | ahhhh, so you're catching it on the AC_TRY_RUN(), not the AC_CHECK_LIB() ? |
| 17:50.08 | frbrgeorge | ``Erik: buth :( |
| 17:50.36 | ``Erik | there's nothing we cna do about the AC_CHECK_LIB(), that's before those variables get set |
| 17:51.07 | frbrgeorge | ``Erik: no, AC_CHECK_LIB seems to work |
| 17:51.53 | ``Erik | <-- testing a fix... |
| 18:23.20 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/configure.ac: LIBS instead of LDFLAGS to hold library names (thanks to frbrgeorge for spotting this one) |
| 18:25.46 | MinuteElectron | ]/w 32 |
| 18:33.03 | yukonbob | +++HANGUP |
| 18:34.26 | ``Erik | heh, you mean +++ATH0 ? |
| 18:34.36 | ``Erik | hayes codes, pheer |
| 18:35.31 | yukonbob | atdt [erik's l33t 'puter] |
| 18:36.22 | ``Erik | heh |
| 18:36.29 | ``Erik | atpt ! |
| 18:36.30 | ``Erik | O.o |
| 18:36.45 | ``Erik | popopopop popopopop popoppopopopop |
| 18:37.12 | yukonbob | ah pt.. |
| 18:37.15 | yukonbob | doesn know. |
| 18:37.19 | yukonbob | *does |
| 18:38.18 | yukonbob | those should be attp, attd |
| 18:38.26 | ``Erik | oh, atp or atdp |
| 18:39.02 | yukonbob | ah right ... what is atpt? |
| 18:39.09 | yukonbob | atdp == dial pulse. |
| 18:39.14 | ``Erik | me misrecalling and thinking atp |
| 18:39.25 | yukonbob | pheer indeed ;) |
| 18:39.31 | ``Erik | it's been a long time |
| 18:39.37 | ``Erik | poke 53280,0 |
| 18:39.38 | ``Erik | O.o |
| 18:39.40 | yukonbob | together we'll be able to get a c64 online |
| 18:39.43 | ``Erik | c64 badassedness |
| 18:39.46 | yukonbob | hahah |
| 18:39.51 | yukonbob | 6510 baby.. |
| 18:40.10 | yukonbob | only ml I know... |
| 18:40.31 | ``Erik | the coleco adam was a neat machine, but the c64 was better at games |
| 18:41.03 | ``Erik | <-- has done too many assembly languages and monitor/mnem :/ |
| 18:41.53 | ``Erik | dambusters? at night? |
| 18:42.02 | ``Erik | so pretty much an all black screen O.o heh |
| 18:42.13 | yukonbob | dambusters sounds right. |
| 18:43.24 | ``Erik | all in past tense, obviously this person is no longer your friend after dumping one of those things on 'em ;) *duck* |
| 18:43.44 | ``Erik | hum, dragons lair, buck rogers, ... |
| 18:43.52 | yukonbob | heh -- person wasn't my friend, and writing a book on it was _their_ idea, not mine ;) |
| 18:44.08 | ``Erik | hrm, what was the one with the helicoptor doing sorties to rescue people... with the three buildings... |
| 18:44.40 | yukonbob | for coleco/adam, me prefered the donkey kong series |
| 18:45.04 | yukonbob | b.c. quest for tires |
| 18:45.08 | yukonbob | smurfs |
| 18:45.34 | ``Erik | heh, yeah |
| 18:49.16 | ``Erik | heh, gorf |
| 18:49.56 | ``Erik | zaxxon |
| 18:50.40 | ``Erik | choplifter ! |
| 18:50.48 | ``Erik | damn, that was driving me nuts |
| 18:50.52 | yukonbob | that rings a bell. |
| 18:51.20 | ``Erik | it was significantly ported |
| 19:19.12 | ``Erik | allllllrighty then, BSD4.3 on a vax 11/780 |
| 19:26.37 | brlcad | scary |
| 19:32.25 | yukonbob | brlcad: re: that X include yesterday -- was a pkgsrc peculiarity; nothing to do w/ the distribution or the flags. |
| 19:33.05 | yukonbob | now I'm onto a tclcad issue (when I get some spare cycles) |
| 19:43.43 | brlcad | qazwsx's inquiry can actually be done for the second case as well -- that's just a sketch and an extrude; the surface of revolution and sweep are the ones we can't do, but linear extrudes are old news |
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| 19:46.28 | brlcad | yukonbob: tclcad issue? |
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| 20:02.33 | yukonbob | brlcad: http://www.pastebin.ca/723441 |
| 20:05.21 | brlcad | ick |
| 20:05.35 | brlcad | undoutedly the const modifier .. haven't seen that in a while |
| 20:12.31 | brlcad | iirc, there's a one-line fix to a tcl header that fixes the problem if it's the one i'm thinking of .. but what was that line... |
| 20:38.46 | ``Erik | hrmmmmm, someone said something about long long a while ago and someone said we don't use 'em... that ain't true, tcl.h has 'em :( |
| 20:39.27 | ``Erik | and that spew of errors almost looks like that regeh.h issue O.o |
| 20:46.05 | ``Erik | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m1a1e1c3d |
| 20:47.01 | yukonbob | ``Erik: =) |
| 20:56.18 | ``Erik | doh, that'll teach me to rely on a tmp dir, heh |
| 22:08.39 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/tab/scriptsort.c: declare yyin |
| 22:09.50 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/tab/Makefile.am: disable scriptsort if we don't have a suitable lexer/parser since it needs a lexer (fixes build on mjm) |
| 22:11.01 | brlcad | ``Erik: awesome |
| 22:11.25 | brlcad | getting the build to work will probably be a heck of a lot easier with --enable-only-benchmark |
| 22:12.17 | brlcad | hopefully you have an up-to-date gcc on there though.. I'd had to revert back to patches that're needed for old 4.3 compiler to work |
| 22:23.46 | ``Erik | heh, no, it's the cc that comes with bsd, all encumbered... :/ |
| 22:24.09 | ``Erik | I was thinking about checking out an old old old version from the vgr era |
| 22:24.37 | ``Erik | but I'll have to talk to kermit to figure out exactly what kinda hw is involved... I'm told the machine was bought with a single processor and field upgraded to dual at some point |
| 22:46.00 | brlcad | you know where the sources are right? |
| 22:47.38 | brlcad | /c/BRL-CAD/OLD on cad, you can get 3.0 or 4.0 from there .. 4.5 or 5.0 is probably the last version to be tested on vgr before it was decommissioned |
| 22:53.30 | ``Erik | I was gonna just cvs 'em out |
| 22:54.02 | ``Erik | pulling source from '84 has been... edjimucational :) far more readable I think |
| 22:55.29 | brlcad | there was a lot less of it |
| 22:55.52 | ``Erik | yes, less files, and they're much simpler and shorter |
| 22:55.54 | brlcad | two decades of feature creep and enhancing |
| 22:56.02 | ``Erik | raytrace.h was especially useful :) |
| 22:56.38 | brlcad | that was a fun exercise, finding all of those old versions and tagging them |
| 22:56.56 | brlcad | I didn't try to compile the really old ones, just tagged for reference |
| 22:57.01 | ``Erik | heh |
| 22:57.03 | brlcad | since some files had moved/renamed |
| 22:57.13 | ``Erik | yeah, and early on, ther'es not even a build system |
| 22:57.14 | brlcad | and would have been mostly futile/incompatible |
| 22:57.22 | brlcad | yeah |
| 22:57.29 | ``Erik | and some of the tagged ones don't even have all the headers referenced in the code |
| 22:57.38 | brlcad | for a while, mike used to say he'd just cat all the files together and pipe it to the compiler |
| 22:58.01 | ``Erik | heh, I suppose that's one way... provided your headers are correctly gaurded |
| 22:58.32 | brlcad | properly guarded and/or only included once |
| 22:59.10 | ``Erik | included once in a C file, perhaps, but if two files include, say, stdio.h ... and it's not properly gaurded *shrug* |
| 22:59.24 | ``Erik | I tried to compile some of the earlier stuff, but the systems have changed too much |
| 22:59.34 | brlcad | welp.. got a really preliminary gross rough estimate vgr for mjm |
| 22:59.35 | ``Erik | I couldn't even get an early jove to compile, and that had a makefile |
| 22:59.45 | ``Erik | all cores lit up? |
| 22:59.53 | ``Erik | did it break 100k? |
| 23:00.13 | brlcad | I haven't done the distribution yet |
| 23:00.32 | ``Erik | be interesting to render a HUGE image and walk the cpu count to get a scalability set |
| 23:00.35 | brlcad | if it scaled perfectly linearly, and presuming the node I used was even representative ... |
| 23:00.55 | brlcad | which of course it won't |
| 23:00.57 | brlcad | but if it did |
| 23:00.59 | ``Erik | for count in `jot 5000` ; do ./ rt ... |
| 23:01.00 | ``Erik | :) |
| 23:01.04 | brlcad | the vgr would be |
| 23:01.08 | brlcad | *drumroll* |
| 23:01.14 | ``Erik | get on with it |
| 23:01.15 | brlcad | 8897900 |
| 23:01.20 | ``Erik | hum |
| 23:01.32 | ``Erik | I'd still like to see the scalability graph |
| 23:01.40 | brlcad | yep, that's next |
| 23:01.51 | brlcad | if it hits half that, I'll be amazed |
| 23:01.58 | ``Erik | at that many cores? hell yeah |
| 23:02.08 | ``Erik | um, it's a cluster, so that'd be remrt? |
| 23:02.12 | brlcad | though I'm talking with msrc now to see if I can schedule interactive on the entire cluster at some point |
| 23:02.44 | ``Erik | they're upset that their resources aren't be used as much as they think they should |
| 23:02.44 | brlcad | otherwise, I'm going to give the batch system a try |
| 23:03.07 | brlcad | the new hawk system is freaking sweet |
| 23:03.19 | brlcad | that 'should' hit top 25 in the top500 |
| 23:03.29 | ``Erik | hawk? |
| 23:03.43 | brlcad | new 9000 processor altix |
| 23:03.55 | ``Erik | ah... wow... |
| 23:04.04 | brlcad | 18x512 iirc |
| 23:04.08 | ``Erik | those are still being purchased? |
| 23:04.31 | ``Erik | does intels cc do decent vliw optimizations yet? |
| 23:04.38 | ``Erik | gcc's output on those suck |
| 23:04.39 | brlcad | afaik, or purchased and being installed already from the sounds of it |
| 23:05.28 | brlcad | last I tested icc vs gcc on altix, it kicked gcc's ass, but only with -gen_prof/-gen_use |
| 23:05.42 | ``Erik | heh |
| 23:05.52 | ``Erik | brute force finding of optimization paths? O.o |
| 23:05.58 | brlcad | that was a couple years ago, and in all fairness didn't try gcc's dual pass opt |
| 23:06.18 | ``Erik | uhhh, what's that compiler company twingy was working with? uh, f something... |
| 23:06.35 | brlcad | yeah, eliminate all the branchs by at least making all the first guesses correct |
| 23:06.48 | brlcad | dunno |
| 23:07.31 | ``Erik | they had a compiler out and their claim was that if any compiler produced faster code, it was a bug... they had a funky script that went through every permutation of optimization flags to achieve that, if I understood correctly |
| 23:07.51 | ``Erik | and, uh, adrt/tie came out faster using gcc than their stuff hehehhe |
| 23:08.02 | brlcad | and remrt isn't particularly awesome, though the amount of data being transferred is exceptionally minimal (just the ray out and pixel results back), so it really doesn't do too bad a job |
| 23:08.17 | ``Erik | hm |
| 23:08.24 | brlcad | it's more a pita to set up as it was never designed for ease of use -- it was designed to get some jobs crunched out some year |
| 23:08.32 | brlcad | whilest making movies |
| 23:08.33 | ``Erik | *nod* |
| 23:08.53 | ``Erik | so every transaction is a single ray/pixel handshake? |
| 23:09.09 | ``Erik | bundling up sets would probably help a lot |
| 23:09.16 | brlcad | no, it has batching |
| 23:09.20 | ``Erik | okie |
| 23:09.34 | ``Erik | but tcp/ip? |
| 23:10.01 | ``Erik | at some point, the latency and stack overhead will overshadow the cost of just doing it :/ |
| 23:10.18 | ``Erik | oh, I turned off the 're-use pix data' in rt... |
| 23:10.33 | ``Erik | after my bsd/vax adventure, I might try wiring the bu_image_save() stuff into rt |
| 23:10.43 | ``Erik | but vax is more fun :D |
| 23:11.57 | ``Erik | shoot,I forgot to email dwayne to let him know where a clone enabled install is |
| 23:12.58 | ``Erik | http://www.collegehumor.com/picture:6129 hehhe one of those doesn't belong... or... does it? |
| 23:13.48 | ``Erik | (that page is work safe, btu most of the site is not) |
| 23:13.58 | brlcad | i saw the reuse bit.. should rip the code out and annotate news |
| 23:14.11 | brlcad | make sure there arent other outliers |
| 23:14.25 | brlcad | related to automatic restart |
| 23:15.11 | ``Erik | yeah... I did the #if 0 trick... wanna be slow about removing possibly used functionality :/ |
| 23:16.17 | brlcad | that's not exactly slow .. as good as ripping it out to the user :) |
| 23:16.24 | brlcad | i mean, it's in cvs |
| 23:16.34 | brlcad | if it need to be reverted, it can be on a dime |
| 23:17.28 | ``Erik | meh *shrug* |
| 23:18.21 | brlcad | plus next release is minor ver #, so good time for it |
| 23:18.54 | brlcad | otherwise, I'd think we should just leave it on with a bu_log'd deprecation message to see if anyone notices |
| 23:19.41 | ``Erik | heh |
| 23:20.27 | ``Erik | I'm doing an update to gut it... personally, I'd probably go with a bu_log() and have it disabled... or mebbe a bu_bomb() to get someone actually talking to us |
| 23:25.41 | ``Erik | heh |
| 23:25.47 | ``Erik | domo arigato mr roboto |
| 23:26.30 | ``Erik | ah, unicode math symbols |
| 23:27.46 | starseeker | They're sort of the "Duke Nukem Forever" of the scientific software world... |
| 23:32.42 | ``Erik | hehehe |
| 23:32.52 | ``Erik | read a webcomic recently about halo three, uhhhhhhh |
| 23:32.59 | ``Erik | lemme find it |
| 23:33.14 | louipc | "Take me, Robert!" sighed the forty-five year old construction worker as the tripe-fondling construction worker diddled her moist ear lobes and augured his swinish gusher into her dusty appendix scar. |
| 23:34.35 | ``Erik | http://godmodeonline.com/d/20070924.html |
| 23:34.46 | Twingy | pathscale |
| 23:39.04 | ``Erik | yeahhhhh, them, amusing stuff :) compilers are fun O.o |
| 23:39.40 | ``Erik | twingy, didja get that fpga chunking along? the development softwawre was all lame and I think they wanted you to buy a real license to really use it... |
| 23:40.41 | ``Erik | not to mention the windowsyness of it all |
| 23:53.00 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/bench/Makefile.am: set the LD_LIBRARY_PATH and DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH so that we can find tcl/tk prior to installation |