| 00:17.07 | ``Erik | SO, brlcad, why is it that when I do a default ./configure on a hackintop, it wants to build libpng? |
| 00:53.21 | Twingy | ``Erik, the "nios" is the propietary collection of logic gates to create a minimalistic instruction set to become compatible with a linux kernel |
| 00:54.14 | Twingy | in reality an individual will use a cpld/fpga for designing a rather simplistic logic device such as a hybrid 74xx series device or venture off and write some vhld and hope it generates some reasonable gates for you |
| 00:54.20 | ``Erik | hum, I have a memory of the windows tool itself being finicky |
| 00:54.42 | Twingy | *vhdl |
| 00:55.27 | Twingy | there is very little appeal to me in that regard at least with my current laundry list of things I do |
| 03:13.46 | brlcad | ``Erik: because os x actually doesn't provide libpng |
| 03:14.31 | brlcad | they have png support, but it's not libpng .. built-in to one of the foundation frameworks, they do their own thing (optimized version) |
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| 13:28.54 | Z80-Boy | brlcad: I wrote a program that can automatically generate further documentation for BRL-CAD: http://ronja.twibright.com/voynich.png |
| 13:31.17 | brlcad | heh |
| 13:39.52 | ``Erik | ok, the bottom looks like it's out of a cheat sheet or pdf or something... the top looks like docs generated from code... our code, anyways O:-) |
| 13:42.45 | ``Erik | hum, path add for /sw and /opt/local went away |
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| 17:11.01 | ``Erik | the truely ignorant never feel ignorant |
| 17:12.47 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/tab/Makefile.am: see if that helps the distcheck, declare and clean the build source file from the lexer |
| 17:14.34 | ``Erik | doh, beat me to it |
| 17:14.44 | brlcad | muahaha |
| 17:16.59 | ``Erik | y'know, I dunno if the 780 can handle ra92 drives |
| 17:19.09 | ``Erik | I think once I get a useful image all set up, I might drop it on bz for anyone who wants to play... was kinda a bitch to set up |
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| 17:34.26 | brlcad | yeah, that'd be cool |
| 17:34.54 | ``Erik | provided there aren't any license concerns, heh... I'm surprised that I foudn scripts to attempt to build it and stuff, but no binary image |
| 17:35.15 | ``Erik | w00t, got an ra92 labeled, formatted and mounted |
| 17:35.29 | brlcad | i was going to give it a try, ran across 4.3 somewhere, but then had some problem with it |
| 17:35.46 | brlcad | netbsd was just "easier" and I'd not gotten the pdp to load up |
| 17:36.19 | ``Erik | 4.3 proper is not public, due to copyright crap... I'm using the quasijarus variant ('missing' stuff has been re-written) |
| 17:36.43 | ``Erik | <-- has had good results with the pdp1 and pdp11 |
| 17:37.31 | ``Erik | this has been my starting point http://www.ba23.org/page0207.html |
| 17:37.42 | ``Erik | but the port files dont' work, the scripts don't quite work, ... |
| 17:37.59 | brlcad | getting the vax 11/780 going will be the money shot |
| 17:38.27 | ``Erik | vgr wasn't exactly out of the box, though... chuck was evil to it |
| 17:38.32 | brlcad | ah, cool, i'd not seen that page |
| 17:38.52 | ``Erik | http://www.retrocomputinggeek.com/index/retrowiki/Install4.3BSDQuasijarus/ has also helped me a little |
| 17:38.56 | brlcad | well, that just means that theoretically you should get a sub-1 vgr :) |
| 17:39.47 | ``Erik | I figure if I'm in 30%, it's going really well |
| 17:40.13 | ``Erik | if kermit remembers roughly what he did, I could try faking it in the sim |
| 17:42.23 | ``Erik | nah, hain't been there... part of the fun is muddling through it myself and hunting down the info :D the other part is asking people who used to use 'em and getting the local stories |
| 17:42.58 | ``Erik | ed knows a fair bit more than I think he's willing to admit to himself |
| 17:45.39 | ``Erik | hum, our benchmark results were from 4.5? |
| 17:50.42 | ``Erik | uhhhhh |
| 18:03.00 | brlcad | heh, called it "hurt" |
| 18:03.28 | brlcad | basically all of rt combined into one file with a few things thrown out |
| 18:03.43 | brlcad | though if you get through bu and rt then you're probably 90% done to start with |
| 18:04.32 | brlcad | that tar.Z compressed is actually almost the same size |
| 18:04.33 | brlcad | # du -k cad4.3.tar.Z |
| 18:04.33 | brlcad | 18652 cad4.3.tar.Z |
| 18:04.33 | brlcad | # du -k src/tmp |
| 18:04.34 | brlcad | 18352 src/tmp |
| 18:06.31 | ``Erik | <-- grabbing rel-4-5 |
| 18:07.01 | ``Erik | pix/moss.pix indicates that's what I WANT, and it isn't in the OLD/ dir |
| 18:07.25 | brlcad | ah, right, good catch |
| 18:07.31 | brlcad | forgot it's in the log files |
| 18:07.55 | brlcad | you can download 4.5 off various public websites (encrypted) too |
| 18:08.02 | brlcad | i think it's up on bz somewhere too |
| 18:10.51 | brlcad | hm, i guess not anymore on .bz |
| 18:12.06 | brlcad | ooh, it'd be awesome to get simh listening on a port on .bz so you could log into it remotely =) |
| 18:12.10 | ``Erik | cvs [update aborted]: cannot rename file CVS/Entries.Backup to CVS/Entries: No such file or directory |
| 18:12.12 | ``Erik | awesome. |
| 18:12.30 | ``Erik | well, hrm, I don't think the networking works on the 780 yet |
| 18:12.33 | ``Erik | not all the way |
| 18:13.02 | ``Erik | oddly enough, I'm using kermit to attach to a serial port on it, heh... |
| 18:13.27 | brlcad | wouldn't need networking, just hook it up into some tcpwrapper that invoked siimh |
| 18:13.47 | ``Erik | so everyone gets their own image? simh isn't terribly efficient |
| 18:13.54 | brlcad | yeah, something like that :) |
| 18:14.31 | ``Erik | emulating a pdp11 at historic speed requires a p3 or better |
| 18:14.32 | brlcad | anyone have any aversion to removing the MAINTAINERCLEAN directives? |
| 18:14.44 | brlcad | at least for the Makefile.in entries |
| 18:15.48 | brlcad | not a big deal imho, but it's less to futz with in the files .. even though it's still totally dubious as to whether you truely "need" those in order to run ./configure and make per automake guidelines |
| 18:16.14 | ``Erik | if 'distcheck' is happy with them gone... I don't care *shrug* |
| 18:17.11 | brlcad | yeah, I'd just added them way back when I felt a little more adament that the behavior was good for maintainer-clean |
| 18:17.35 | brlcad | but in however many years over however many projects .. I just don't find myself ever using maintainer-clean |
| 18:17.44 | brlcad | hell, I use distclean more than that |
| 18:20.13 | ``Erik | <-- doesn't think he's ever seriously used it |
| 18:20.59 | ``Erik | hum, with throttling on, it's not chewing too much cpu |
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| 18:21.11 | ``Erik | still a bit of memory... 15 megs for an 8m 780 |
| 18:21.55 | ``Erik | and bz isn't exactly a beasty machine these days |
| 18:25.42 | brlcad | yeah, I'm actually considering an upgrade as of just yesterday |
| 18:26.10 | brlcad | there's a deal the isp is offering that'd give me a good chance to easily upgrade to the 6 kernel |
| 18:26.32 | brlcad | plus bigger disk, and going from celeron 2.4 to PIV 2.4 |
| 18:26.40 | brlcad | with more memory |
| 18:26.47 | brlcad | all for just a couple bucks extra |
| 18:27.50 | ``Erik | interesting, 4.5's tcl seems to be... scattered? or incomplete? O.o |
| 18:27.57 | brlcad | unless they agree to my request to keep my current bandwidth cap (which they're considering), I'd loose about 1MBit of my max .. but then I've yet to use more than 20% of my pipe as it is |
| 18:28.21 | brlcad | both |
| 18:28.24 | brlcad | 4.5 didn't have tcl yet |
| 18:28.32 | brlcad | at least not yet exposed to the user |
| 18:28.37 | brlcad | it was the last pre-tcl version |
| 18:28.57 | ``Erik | 55 meg tarball O.o |
| 18:29.45 | brlcad | "shouldn't" even be in the build iirc .. but maybe .. it was started around 4.4 with some testing iirc |
| 18:30.17 | ``Erik | files are scattered around |
| 18:38.55 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/tab/Makefile.am: bad resort on trailing slash |
| 18:54.40 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: Do you have a minute? |
| 19:13.35 | ``Erik | hurrr, I'm a retard |
| 19:13.48 | ``Erik | "how do I get this tar file off of the tape to unpack it?" ... |
| 19:16.46 | ``Erik | compiling cake and cakeaux |
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| 19:34.58 | ``Erik | behhh |
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| 19:36.36 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/ (106 files in 106 dirs): remove the MAINTAINERCLEAN rules, they're never really used regardless of the debate over whether the Makefile.in files belong there or not |
| 19:37.08 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/ (55 files in 55 dirs): remove the MAINTAINERCLEAN rules, they're never really used regardless of the debate over whether the Makefile.in files belong there or not |
| 19:37.40 | ``Erik | huh |
| 19:39.53 | ``Erik | interesting, bsd4.3 doesn't seem to have an -x option to test, so sh/machinetype.sh was being pissy |
| 19:51.36 | ``Erik | yuh oh |
| 19:51.37 | ``Erik | "../librt/./polyno.h", line 35: syntax error |
| 20:14.11 | brlcad | nice |
| 20:15.09 | brlcad | MinuteElectron: not really, but will hopefully in a few minutes |
| 20:15.42 | ``Erik | hum |
| 20:15.50 | brlcad | wow, polyno.h .. haven't seen that filename in ages |
| 20:16.13 | ``Erik | that's the wonderful error you get when you redefine a typedef on this cc |
| 20:16.39 | brlcad | dude, can't you get gcc working on it or something? :) |
| 20:16.50 | ``Erik | heh |
| 20:16.52 | brlcad | I think the last builds were done with gcc anyways for the vax |
| 20:17.14 | ``Erik | it's a pita to keep building tapes O.o |
| 20:17.23 | brlcad | iirc, had to cross-compile rt because of address limits during linking |
| 21:11.42 | ``Erik | hurf, files have been moved in naughty ways, probably in RCS |
| 21:16.47 | ``Erik | 4.3 it is |
| 21:49.46 | brlcad | kermit said he might actually have 4.3 bsd binaries around somewhere |
| 21:50.09 | brlcad | yeah, I know for certain that files have moved in CVS/RCS since 4.3 |
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| 23:13.11 | ``Erik | heh, iraytrace, vgr's spirit lives in the body of orthus, bsd4.3 on a vax 11/780, just compiled BRL-CAD 4.3 on it today O.o gonna see if I can get cvs head kinda working enough to run benchmarks after I tune it to run at 1 vgr :D |
| 23:13.20 | ``Erik | hostname is vgr2.brl.mil O.o |
| 23:13.56 | iraytrace | seriously cool |
| 23:14.36 | ``Erik | once it's done, I'm thinking about putting the disk image and boot config on bz for anyone interested O.o brlcad wants a telnet port on bz for anyone to try out |
| 23:15.40 | ``Erik | <-- running an ra81 as the primary drive, ra92 as the fun drive, and a ts11 tape drive, with a serial/modem console attached via kermit |
| 23:15.51 | ``Erik | simh ftw |
| 23:15.58 | iraytrace | So what are you tuning to get the simulator to run at 1vgr? |
| 23:16.12 | ``Erik | there's a throttle setting where you can specify mips or kips |
| 23:16.23 | iraytrace | Sweeeeet |
| 23:16.41 | ``Erik | I don't *THINK* there's a way to get dual cpu on it, so instead of trying to actually get it right, I'm gonna fdge |
| 23:16.44 | ``Erik | fudge |
| 23:17.00 | iraytrace | uh, the old VGR numbers were for a single cpu. |
| 23:17.10 | iraytrace | you should be good to go |
| 23:17.12 | ``Erik | but I'll bug kermit to get some stuff right-ish I think... I'll call him up and ask him if he has an ra92 tub drive I can borrow :D |
| 23:17.33 | ``Erik | cool, ed told me that the machine was modified to take a second cpu in its life.. and I'm under the impression that kermit was hotrodding it |
| 23:18.06 | iraytrace | At one point it was dual cpu. The reference benchmarks were run single cpu. |
| 23:18.40 | iraytrace | The second cpu just allowed another *process* to run. Remember, this pre-dates posix threads |
| 23:19.55 | ``Erik | heh, the latest vgr sync was in december of '97 from what I read O.o |
| 23:20.25 | ``Erik | be interestin gto see where our off-by-on errors crept in O.o |
| 23:21.14 | ``Erik | oh, the mjm dedication was recorded, there's an email addy where you can request a copy, but I left it at work |
| 23:23.03 | iraytrace | When you get a chance, shoot it to me. |
| 23:23.13 | iraytrace | Have you heard from LeeAnn? |
| 23:23.19 | ``Erik | um |
| 23:36.57 | iraytrace | *you* can probably get away with it. |
| 23:41.45 | ``Erik | hrm, irssi? |
| 23:50.34 | iraytrace | Colloquy actually |
| 23:51.51 | ``Erik | ah |
| 23:52.00 | ``Erik | privmsg goes to a hidden window or something? |
| 23:52.54 | iraytrace | different "chat" section |
| 23:53.11 | iraytrace | um. Different window. |
