IRC log for #brlcad on 20071016

00:01.41 CIA-4 libirc: 03JeffM2501 * r281 10/trunk/libirc/src/ (IRCClient.cpp IRCServer.cpp TCPConnection.cpp): why do finds ourselves when STL provides a nice way to do them.
00:04.36 CIA-4 libirc: 03JeffM2501 * r282 10/trunk/ICPA/ (inc/ include/ include/common.h): include not inc
00:05.35 CIA-4 libirc: 03JeffM2501 * r283 10/trunk/ICPA/MSVC/VC71/ (ICPA_Common.vcproj ICPA_Engine.vcproj): include not inc
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02:36.12 CIA-4 libirc: 03JeffM2501 * r284 10/trunk/ICPA/ (9 files in 3 dirs): common utills that will be needed
02:36.33 CIA-4 libirc: 03JeffM2501 * r285 10/trunk/ICPA/ (include/common.h src/common/common.cpp): OS independent sleep function
02:37.09 CIA-4 libirc: 03JeffM2501 * r286 10/trunk/ICPA/ (4 files in 2 dirs): agent classes for handling server transactions.
02:51.07 CIA-4 libirc: 03JeffM2501 * r287 10/trunk/ICPA/src/engine/ (agents.cpp agents.h): init server networks from the config files for each agent.
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05:03.09 CIA-4 libirc: 03JeffM2501 * r288 10/trunk/ICPA/MSVC/VC71/ (4 files): use separate debug dirs for each module, so the PDBs work out
05:16.16 CIA-4 libirc: 03JeffM2501 * r289 10/trunk/ICPA/src/ (5 files in 3 dirs): whitespace
05:32.17 CIA-4 libirc: 03JeffM2501 * r290 10/trunk/ICPA/ (8 files in 2 dirs): whitespace
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13:27.47 CIA-4 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/ (configure.ac doc/Makefile.am doc/book/Makefile.am): add the new docbook documentation to the dist
14:08.22 ``Erik bleh
14:16.58 ``Erik dork
14:18.54 ``Erik *vgr vgr2.brl.mil 1.15 1.03 .92 .92 .86 .97
14:54.30 brlcad what frequency is that?
15:06.43 ``Erik 400 kips
15:06.49 brlcad what were the other two?
15:07.05 ``Erik um, one of 'em was 330
15:07.41 ``Erik the one that's closer to 1 vgr was 345... the deviance in this is concerning
15:08.08 brlcad yeah, sounds like external can affect the vm
15:08.45 ``Erik I dunno if it's external stuff impacting... the machine has been pretty much dedicated to the vm
15:08.56 ``Erik it might be unimpressive timing code in the throttle
15:09.28 brlcad maybe, but that's a pretty big swing of a difference
15:09.48 brlcad 345 -> 1.05 && 400 -> 0.97
15:11.13 brlcad 380 should be spot on if it's not influenced
15:11.43 brlcad remember what 330 was?
15:30.33 ``Erik like .87
15:30.53 ``Erik that 345 kips has a higher vgr than 400 is wrong.
15:30.56 brlcad oh, wrong way :)
15:31.33 ``Erik supersampling and averaging might give okish results, but this shit just ain't consistent
15:32.17 ``Erik uh
15:32.31 ``Erik did you get the latest clone stuff from adam or whoever at gsi?
15:32.33 brlcad for a benchmark run that takes several hours to run, shouldn't have to supersample/average it
15:32.45 brlcad latest clone stuff?
15:32.52 ``Erik dwayne claims a -c flag that has never existed in the version we have int he repo
15:33.14 ``Erik looks like the import was in '05
15:33.48 brlcad well, dwayne got the old sgi drives from adam, and they were the only copies that he knew of at the time that remained of that code
15:34.20 ``Erik there're several discrepencies between what dwayne remembers and what is in there
15:34.24 brlcad I have the whole data dump of the drives that I pulled, I can search for other copies, but I recall doing that search already for clone and finding the one I started with
15:34.40 ``Erik like having multiple numbers in the part name, when the line is
15:34.41 ``Erik <PROTECTED>
15:34.43 brlcad i don't doubt that there might have been more work, but we simply don't have that code
15:34.57 brlcad i'll check again
15:35.22 ``Erik I could see if dwayne will call up adam to sort this out
15:35.59 brlcad probably easier to just rewrite the -c option
15:36.41 ``Erik yeah, I told him that if I'm gonna do that, I'll want to sit down with him and get a formal grammar so it can be done right
15:37.22 ``Erik he also is annoyed at the increment behavior, I guess we got an old version :) *shrug*
15:39.22 brlcad howso, what'd he want?
15:39.38 brlcad there's an increment param, just increments the number it finds at the end iirc
15:40.00 ``Erik yeah, he wants the primitives to step with increment size, but the combinations to always increment by one
15:40.15 brlcad ah, huh
15:40.24 ``Erik I can forward the email if you want
15:40.28 brlcad sure
15:41.15 brlcad looking through even the cvs repo that he had, "a:b:fhi:m:n:p:r:t:v" is the longest form of the getopt line, and none have a 'c'
15:41.24 ``Erik it's kinda hard to read, I use the unix reply style with the > prefix and interspersed comments... he tried the style, but didn't get the prefix
15:41.47 ``Erik yeah, I looked through the file history, it never existed in the line we have... if we got a copy before it was implemented and forked, that'd explain a lot
15:41.58 brlcad i mean in adam's cvs
15:42.01 ``Erik oh
15:42.02 brlcad he had his own going
15:42.28 brlcad i think this drive was just an older copy to start with
15:42.39 ``Erik what's the latest date on his repo?
15:42.42 brlcad but regardless, he did say that it was the only copy remaining that he had when we got it
15:42.55 ``Erik hrm
15:43.03 ``Erik lost work, bummer
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15:44.23 brlcad 2000.07.25.20.27.48 is the last version
15:44.49 brlcad meh, trivial work, we were really really lucky to get the drives that we did
15:45.10 brlcad it was *just* an old sgi drive chassis, no box, no connectors
15:45.28 brlcad kermit fortunately had some connectors, we hooked it up to his O2
15:45.30 brlcad but then it didn't work
15:45.36 ``Erik heh, wow
15:45.38 brlcad so we took it apart
15:45.48 brlcad smacked the drives up a bit
15:45.55 brlcad put it back together, then it worked
15:46.20 brlcad mounted up the drives, pulled the data off, prayed that it didn't burst into flames in the meantime
15:47.18 brlcad the drives hadn't spun up in about 4 years from what I could tell
15:47.19 ``Erik I had a 1.6g pata that I had to take apart and dork with (arm was hitting the platters), without a cleanroom... crossed my fingers while copying all the data off of it :)
15:47.52 brlcad so we did get a mini goldmine, luckily
15:48.23 brlcad there's about four other "useful" code modes that should be imported/updated at some point, as well as about a half dozen interesting models
15:53.26 ``Erik :/ I shoulda called in, my stomach hurts like a mofo
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16:11.33 brlcad off drives that were themselves about 7 years old back then
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16:35.18 starseeker Heh - reminds me of the story about how they recovered the early usenet archives - IIRC they stuck the tapes in the freezer for a while before reading them
16:36.40 starseeker I think MIT has some issues like that as well, recovering early code and thesis work...
17:05.18 CIA-4 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/external/Cubit/g-sat.cxx:
17:05.18 CIA-4 BRL-CAD: update to the latest API changes where create_body_from_surfs() seems to have
17:05.18 CIA-4 BRL-CAD: chnaged to create_solid_bodies_from_surfs() in the GeometryModifyTool class.
17:05.19 CIA-4 BRL-CAD: looks like it just changed to return a list of bodies instead of one body, so we
17:05.19 CIA-4 BRL-CAD: iterate over the bodies. this is entirely untested, but seems right according
17:05.21 CIA-4 BRL-CAD: to the docs at https://svn.mcs.anl.gov/repos/ITAPS/cgm/trunk/geom/
17:18.12 CIA-4 libirc: 03JeffM2501 * r291 10/trunk/ICPA/DESIGN: add the DESIGN notes that come from a good nights sleep
18:18.35 yukonbob heh: "This is entirely untested, but seems right..."
18:41.26 CIA-4 BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * 10brlcad/src/tclscripts/mged/openw.tcl: add firefox to browser list for help->manual
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19:45.03 ``Erik http://koutuk.blogspot.com/2007/10/when-life-becomes-good-for-programmer.html
19:49.59 MinuteElectron nice
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20:14.14 brlcad heh
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20:55.26 ``Erik O.o http://www.annexia.org/_file/jonesforth.s.txt
21:12.46 Maloeran That language would still be rather slow to run
21:15.37 yukonbob iirc, FreeBSD uses Forth to help boot itself...
21:22.44 CIA-4 libirc: 03JeffM2501 * r292 10/trunk/ICPA/ (3 files in 2 dirs): setup to connect to the IRC server
21:28.08 ``Erik I don't think it does anymore, but it used to
21:29.10 ``Erik oh, n/m, it still has ficl in it heh
21:36.30 CIA-4 BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/include/bu.h:
21:36.30 CIA-4 BRL-CAD: prevent crashing on a whole slew of cases where we end up iterating over either
21:36.30 CIA-4 BRL-CAD: a null, uninitialized, or malformed list item. the current for loop while
21:36.30 CIA-4 BRL-CAD: condition has to be non-NULL in order to do the next iteration, so make sure of
21:36.30 CIA-4 BRL-CAD: it. this prevents a crash that was detected in the display geometry object
21:36.33 CIA-4 BRL-CAD: (where it had unitialized data).
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22:32.23 louipc do you think `man brlcad` should be changed to reflect the current installation?
22:32.39 louipc in the FILES section at the end?
22:52.52 brlcad oh, maybe already removed
22:53.09 louipc oh haah I don't have cvs installed
22:53.19 louipc I have to do that. I got several crashes :/
23:43.44 Z80-Boy brlcad: sounds like you've found a serious bug

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