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| 02:39.36 | brlcad | actually haven't seen a lick of tv in like four days now (since Heros) |
| 02:39.49 | brlcad | and that's par for the course |
| 02:39.59 | brlcad | even the past few nights coding have been music nights |
| 02:58.49 | ``Erik | heh, so ya missed southpark, silverman, and drawn together? O.o |
| 02:58.56 | brlcad | yup |
| 02:59.10 | brlcad | I haven't really seen much southpark via tv in *years* |
| 02:59.21 | brlcad | some over the net though |
| 03:00.27 | ``Erik | emacs on a mac, particularly using X, is very not newb friendly |
| 03:00.44 | ``Erik | meta in particular O.o |
| 03:29.47 | brlcad | I avoid alt, generally a non-portable key no matter what the app |
| 03:38.14 | ``Erik | <-- has no idea how to rebind meta to something else |
| 03:41.35 | brlcad | meta is alt and esc |
| 03:42.34 | brlcad | just it's modal as esc .. you don't press and hold it, you press and release, then press the secondary |
| 03:43.58 | brlcad | i.e. alt-'>' and alt-'<' are the same as esc,'>' and esc,'<' where - is press and hold and , means press then release |
| 03:44.09 | brlcad | those two are jump to end and beginning of file, btw |
| 03:44.51 | brlcad | pretty excellent cheat sheet that I used when I started: http://bzflag.bz/~sean/emacsrefcard.pdf |
| 03:47.21 | brlcad | the built-in tutorial isn't half bad either, ctrl-x h t |
| 03:47.46 | brlcad | it explains most of the concepts |
| 03:48.37 | brlcad | hah, awesomeness: http://www.ohloh.net/blog/worlds_oldest_source_code_repositories |
| 03:51.17 | louipc | lol |
| 05:32.23 | yukonbob | brlcad: congrats :) |
| 05:33.32 | yukonbob | ``Erik: esc++ -- alt is non-portable, and at least on my keyboards, too contortion-like... |
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| 13:15.22 | ``Erik | so let me get this straight... vim sucks because to enter the more powerful editor commands, you generally have to push escape, then the command key |
| 13:15.37 | ``Erik | but emacs is better, because... well... the alt key sucks, so you have to push esc... then the command key |
| 13:15.51 | ``Erik | :> |
| 13:15.55 | ``Erik | oi, mal |
| 13:17.50 | Z80-Boy | (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once for each function it appears in.) |
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| 13:51.16 | Maloeran | Hey Erik |
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| 15:17.35 | Maloeran | Hrmph. Does news.bbc.co.uk resolve for anyone? If yes, what's the IP? |
| 15:23.39 | MinuteElectron | resolves for me, checking ip |
| 15:24.21 | MinuteElectron | 212.58.226.29 |
| 15:24.26 | MinuteElectron | Maloeran: ... |
| 15:25.18 | MinuteElectron | Speaking of IP's resolving, can anyone check whether eve-online.com works for them? |
| 15:27.20 | Maloeran | It resolves to 87.237.39.199 but the server closes connection immediately upon reception of http requests |
| 15:27.35 | Maloeran | And for some reason I can't read the BBC today |
| 15:27.52 | brlcad | ~nslookup news.bbc.co.uk |
| 15:28.58 | Maloeran | The IP works although without images as it fails to resolve some other bbc.co.uk DNS |
| 15:29.15 | MinuteElectron | ~nslookup eve-online.com |
| 15:29.17 | brlcad | I get that it's a cname to newswww.bbc.net.uk |
| 15:29.22 | brlcad | which doesn't resolve to anything |
| 15:29.32 | brlcad | ~nslookup newswww.bbc.net.uk |
| 15:29.35 | brlcad | (via dig) |
| 15:29.47 | brlcad | looks like someone messed up |
| 15:29.59 | brlcad | probably take it a couple hours to propagate the fix |
| 15:30.15 | brlcad | way too popular a site for that to go unnoticed for more than a couple seconds |
| 15:30.24 | ``Erik | heh, unless they really botched up the ttl and serial or something :D |
| 15:30.24 | Maloeran | Neat |
| 15:31.18 | ``Erik | it used to be that the delimiter between competent sysadmins and newbies was the ability to set up bind |
| 15:38.01 | brlcad | really? never thought that bind was that tricky to set up .. just a fair bit to remember when you don't poke at it very often |
| 15:38.15 | brlcad | now setting up a secure sendmail... |
| 15:39.11 | brlcad | or recompiling your own custom kernel (and having it work reliably) .. that used to be quite a trick (when you had to do it entirely by hand) |
| 15:39.11 | Maloeran | Ah, the BBC'S DNS is fixed |
| 15:39.58 | Maloeran | Kernel recompilation is terribly simple these days, I'm not sure why it's commonly seen as something obscure never to attempt even by many Linux users |
| 15:40.48 | brlcad | now it is, yeah .. it's been really simplified |
| 15:42.58 | ``Erik | custom kernel on what? |
| 15:43.28 | brlcad | exactly |
| 15:43.47 | ``Erik | linux in the 1.2 days was about as fun as shoving a pen up your nostril until it pops out, but bsd has always been pretty damn easy, even the 'hard' ones like obsd |
| 15:44.31 | ``Erik | once linux got toys like 'oldconfig' and that curses config, it was pretty easy *shrug* :) |
| 15:44.49 | brlcad | it totally matter how obscure the hardware was, having to know which kernel modules were buggy as hell and needed to be avoided, which worked well with certain others, digging up details about your hardware just to know what to turn on/off, no help on what the options even went to without reading the sources, etc |
| 15:45.06 | ``Erik | heh |
| 15:45.29 | brlcad | yeah, i'm talking pre-curses days, and before the CONFIG settings stuck |
| 15:45.32 | ``Erik | you had to have those horrible details of hardware just to boot dos, *shudder* config.sys and autoexec.bat and those |
| 15:45.34 | Maloeran | 1.2, that's 1995 or so? I think I was barely writing my first lines of code |
| 15:45.48 | brlcad | yeah, around 1995, fun times |
| 15:47.49 | ``Erik | ok, I've A) been ruined by scheme and B) am taking on too many new things at once O.o |
| 15:49.52 | ``Erik | anyone know how to make a function take a functor as an argument in CL? |
| 15:50.04 | ``Erik | meh, I do C daily |
| 15:50.24 | ``Erik | but sometimes I want to shift out of first, so'z I do other languages, too |
| 15:51.44 | ``Erik | (and the notion of running 'swank' on sbcl, then being able to connect and edit a running program interactively using 'slime' in emacs is... well, swank) |
| 15:52.46 | ``Erik | scheme and C both hold the same symbol space for functions and variables, CL does not :/ |
| 15:53.31 | Maloeran | Eww. |
| 15:53.42 | brlcad | ~cl |
| 15:53.43 | ibot | somebody said cl was common lisp |
| 15:54.17 | brlcad | I'd have to dig up some really old code |
| 15:54.30 | Maloeran | Mmhm, writing a root keyboard logger was easier than I thought |
| 15:54.44 | ``Erik | I'd hit the right page on google faster, I'd imagine |
| 15:54.47 | ``Erik | heh |
| 15:55.05 | brlcad | probably |
| 15:55.10 | brlcad | that's why i'm not looking :) |
| 15:56.14 | MinuteElectron | :) |
| 15:56.14 | ``Erik | hm, mebbe funcall is the knob I'm missing |
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| 16:14.26 | ``Erik | ah, that's how. lame |
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| 16:43.31 | yukonbob | 'morning, cadheads |
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| 18:23.47 | yukonbob | Hello, whirled. |
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| 18:43.03 | mikola | Hello |
| 18:51.46 | MinuteElectron | Maloeran: http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2007/10/11/bbc_news_knocked_offline_by_performance_changes.html |
| 19:32.12 | ``Erik | nice, (fib 40) took 20s, did a trivial memoization and (fib 1000) took 0.001s on the first 'pump' |
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| 20:14.13 | ``Erik | hum, interesting |
| 20:14.31 | ``Erik | the C version with -O3 took 337.745 seconds |
| 20:14.47 | ``Erik | for fib(40) |
| 20:19.00 | ``Erik | (for a C version that can push out to fib(1000)... the version that spews wrong answers quickly was 2.5 seconds) |
| 20:41.00 | ``Erik | hum, java just barely beats out the gmp C |
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| 23:12.00 | brlcad | gah, wrong way bob.. |
| 23:28.19 | ``Erik | heh |
| 23:28.32 | ``Erik | hey, brlcad, what time is jasons thing tomorrow? |
| 23:28.42 | ``Erik | I got the date and location, but not the time O.o |