| 00:19.08 | starseeker | ``Erik: been partying? |
| 00:26.30 | yukonbob | starseeker: maybe somebody took his seat on the subway, and he had to stand all the way home... |
| 00:45.35 | ``Erik | went to a friends bday party, 4 hours standing around in a park :) was fun |
| 00:45.46 | ``Erik | but now I smell like brlcad's dog :( |
| 00:56.01 | IriX64 | you prefer smelling like a pussy :) |
| 00:57.34 | yukonbob | got any pix of your latest work, IriX64? |
| 00:59.16 | IriX64 | mc |
| 00:59.39 | yukonbob | ?mc |
| 00:59.58 | IriX64 | midnight commander my weapon of choice :) |
| 01:00.14 | yukonbob | ah -- |
| 01:00.54 | IriX64 | why am i getting undefined X references in libfb when compiling fbserv? |
| 01:01.47 | yukonbob | why are you _always_ compiling brlcad? :) -- I see screen shots from you of it running... how did that one get compiled? |
| 01:02.25 | IriX64 | thats 7.8.4.... trying to stay current |
| 01:05.37 | yukonbob | ah -- |
| 01:06.32 | yukonbob | if you want to add to the challenge (and help brlcad's robustness), try compiling against tcl/tk 8.4 (latest stable). I have, and so far so good, but the more, the merrier, they say. |
| 01:06.58 | starseeker | yukonbob: I thought it now required 8.5? |
| 01:06.58 | IriX64 | In file included from if_X.c:53: |
| 01:06.58 | IriX64 | ../../include/dm-X.h:42: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before 'mat_t' |
| 01:07.06 | yukonbob | starseeker: not strictly |
| 01:07.11 | IriX64 | if you help me here i will |
| 01:07.28 | yukonbob | it's compiled against 8.5, but is not using 8.5-specific features, as far as anybody knows. |
| 01:07.42 | starseeker | Erm. |
| 01:07.44 | IriX64 | i was told it was married to 8.5 or greater |
| 01:07.46 | yukonbob | I have run it against 8.4.15, 8.4.16 |
| 01:07.53 | starseeker | brlcad: Is that the case? |
| 01:08.18 | IriX64 | in configure they hardcoded 8.5 |
| 01:08.25 | yukonbob | starseeker, IriX64: I've asked brlcad about this, and run installation is (so far) proof it's not married to 8.5 ;) |
| 01:08.44 | IriX64 | ok :) |
| 01:08.58 | yukonbob | IriX64: there are some configure.ac modifications necessary, yes. This affects what ./configure looks for, and the resultant Makefile(s) |
| 01:09.08 | starseeker | Well, I guess the next question is whether we have exercised the part of brlcad that might notice the change... |
| 01:09.31 | yukonbob | starseeker: yes -- that's why I say the more the merrier ;) |
| 01:09.49 | yukonbob | I'm an mged user and various rt[x] tools... and so far so good. |
| 01:09.58 | starseeker | OK. |
| 01:11.47 | yukonbob | I also skipped compilation of bwish (wish, compiled w/ a couple cad-specific routines) in hopes of creating libtclcad as a loadable module to a stock wish/tclsh binary -- I've got a start on that, but that's it. That will give bwish functionality w/o a dedicated binary (and allow things like rtwizard, etc. to run for me...) |
| 01:12.03 | IriX64 | starseeker i'm just a hobbiest, wadda I know :) |
| 01:12.40 | starseeker | yukonbob: Did you run the make test benchmark as well? I don't now how comprehensive it is but it's a start |
| 01:13.16 | IriX64 | thought somewhere theres a make test thingy too |
| 01:13.44 | yukonbob | starseeker: no, I haven't... |
| 01:14.19 | starseeker | That might be useful ;-) |
| 01:15.28 | yukonbob | as far as my personal use goes, it's better than 8.5, though, since I never got 8.5 running how I wanted; also nice to be able to depend on a stable version of tcl/tk rather than beta software... |
| 01:17.00 | starseeker | Yes, the gentoo guys tend to agree... |
| 01:17.34 | starseeker | Hmm... http://check.sourceforge.net/ looks kinda interesting. Requires POSIX... |
| 01:21.10 | starseeker | yukonbob: Sorry about not pushing harder on the docbook conversion - I'm hoping things will get better after next week. |
| 01:34.02 | yukonbob | starseeker: _no_ problems what-so-ever -- you're not beholden to me, btw, either ;) -- I think I saw you mentioning emacs sometime earlier -- did you try that out as a docbook environ? Try those scripts I sent? |
| 02:05.43 | starseeker | yukonbob: I am using emacs +nXML - very nice. |
| 02:06.08 | starseeker | yukonbob: I haven't yet tried incremental pdf generation, so I haven't tried your scripts - when I do I'll fish them out :-) |
| 02:12.51 | starseeker | oops |
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| 02:34.08 | yukonbob | Hello, whirled. |
| 03:16.19 | starseeker | yukonbob returns :-) |
| 03:16.35 | poolio | :o brl-cad won't compile |
| 03:16.46 | starseeker | uh oh - what platform/version? |
| 03:18.14 | starseeker | erk |
| 03:25.20 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/ (doc/deprecation.txt include/raytrace.h): removed wdb_tree_cmd(), added to dg_obj.c as dgo_tree_cmd() |
| 03:28.16 | brlcad | starseeker: it should work with either -- codewise, it might need minor patches to work with 8.4 again but they should be really minor |
| 03:28.45 | brlcad | most of the reasons for 8.5 are in the aquatk codebase and build system |
| 03:52.17 | poolio | brlcad: is this your recent doing? |
| 03:52.31 | poolio | dg_obj.c:4917: error: conflicting types for 'dgo_tree_cmd' |
| 03:52.31 | poolio | ../../include/raytrace.h:6364: error: previous declaration of 'dgo_tree_cmd' was here |
| 03:53.07 | brlcad | yup |
| 03:53.11 | brlcad | just fixed it in that commit |
| 03:53.23 | brlcad | well, not entirely my doing |
| 03:53.59 | poolio | mmk :) re-updating. |
| 03:53.59 | brlcad | i changed the func, bob changed the decl (to match my change, but got it wrong) |
| 03:54.34 | poolio | hehe, oops :) |
| 03:54.51 | brlcad | that was all just earlier today |
| 03:55.43 | poolio | brlcad: so, just out of curiousity and cause I'm just remembering, there was a memory leak bug I found awhile back where this free'ing was commented out everywhere and we couldn't find a place for it...do you remember if that got fixed? |
| 03:55.48 | poolio | (sorry it's so vague, it's been awhile) |
| 03:57.13 | brlcad | it has definitely not been changed |
| 03:57.35 | brlcad | you did make a free commit that's still in place and seems to be fine |
| 03:58.04 | poolio | k, I think I might start coding again. I'm really missing programming, and would like to try to see the project through...get some results |
| 03:58.06 | brlcad | but the others that are uncommented are problematic .. other bits of code need to be refactored for it to free cleanly prior to exit |
| 03:59.55 | poolio | errr if I could just get it to build on my box |
| 04:00.06 | poolio | ../../src/libdm/.libs/libdm.so: undefined reference to `XFreeDeviceList' |
| 04:00.08 | poolio | and a few more |
| 04:00.23 | poolio | that's while trying to link bwish it looks like |
| 04:04.59 | louipc | yukonbob: in canada we use imperial for mechanical stuff |
| 04:05.42 | brlcad | poolio: i've yet to be able to reproduce that error myself, but it's undoubtedly related to X11 library detection in configure |
| 04:05.59 | brlcad | it's missing the Xi library |
| 04:06.02 | poolio | brlcad: alright, I'll dig around. |
| 04:06.07 | brlcad | so missing -lXi from the LIBS line |
| 04:06.17 | brlcad | which you can add directly to make or to the configure line |
| 04:06.26 | brlcad | but the real question is why is configure failing to find it |
| 04:07.13 | yukonbob | louipc: hrmm... /me knew for construction, but figured for more 'technical' things we'd be using Metric... |
| 04:07.39 | poolio | configure:27636: checking for XGetExtensionVersion in -lXi |
| 04:07.40 | poolio | configure:27671: gcc -o conftest -I/usr/local/include -L/usr/local/lib conftest.c -lXi -lX11 -lX11 -lXext >&5 |
| 04:07.43 | poolio | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXi |
| 04:07.51 | brlcad | yeah, that's "wrong" |
| 04:07.57 | brlcad | or you really are missing libXi |
| 04:07.58 | poolio | hmm |
| 04:08.03 | poolio | Yes that's quite possible. |
| 04:08.33 | brlcad | why you'd suddenly now need it is a bit bizarre, though -- the interface code certainly hasn't changed that I can think of that were now using Xi symbols |
| 04:08.43 | brlcad | look in the config.log |
| 04:08.47 | brlcad | see why it failed |
| 04:09.53 | poolio | well it's a different system then the one I was using over the summer |
| 04:10.02 | poolio | The why it failed in config.log was just the line I pasted earlier |
| 04:12.02 | brlcad | oh |
| 04:12.09 | brlcad | it's missing /usr/X11R6/lib |
| 04:12.26 | brlcad | do you have /usr/X11R6/lib/libXi.* ? |
| 04:12.48 | poolio | ...nope |
| 04:12.57 | brlcad | locate libXi |
| 04:13.17 | poolio | it's searching ... |
| 04:13.25 | poolio | /usr/lib |
| 04:13.31 | brlcad | huh |
| 04:13.34 | poolio | symlink or change the search path? |
| 04:13.47 | brlcad | that's bizzare place to have it |
| 04:13.47 | brlcad | what OS is it? |
| 04:13.50 | poolio | Debian |
| 04:14.03 | brlcad | are they trying to fade out /usr/X11R6 now? |
| 04:14.26 | poolio | Haven't the slightest idea, but there's no libs in it anymore |
| 04:14.33 | brlcad | interesting |
| 04:14.38 | brlcad | asinine, but interesting |
| 04:14.58 | brlcad | either way, /usr/lib is a default search dir iirc, but you can try adding -L/usr/lib to the LDFLAGS |
| 04:15.06 | poolio | Yeah /usr/X11R6 is 'empty.' Just a symlink from /usr/X11R6/bin -> /usr/bin |
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| 05:32.33 | butti | hello |
| 05:32.37 | butti | morgen |
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| 06:06.38 | butti | I have a quastion |
| 06:06.55 | butti | is the @brlcad a bot? |
| 06:08.02 | Maloeran | He's the main BRL-CAD developper, but he might also just be an artificial intelligence running on the ARL clusters |
| 06:09.41 | butti | It would be fantastic if he is AI |
| 06:10.13 | butti | I willl believe that he is |
| 06:10.20 | butti | it |
| 06:18.31 | butti | instalation from .deb failed |
| 06:18.40 | butti | try from source |
| 06:23.09 | butti | mainly I am intrested if this software export dynamic VRML |
| 06:25.54 | Maloeran | There's a .g to vrml exporter though I couldn't say if it's "dynamic" or not |
| 06:27.15 | butti | I will tell you soon , the instalation takes long time |
| 06:29.43 | butti | I get slowly impression that on linux OS is not many professional designeres which are using VRML , and not much developers intrested on this issue |
| 06:30.32 | butti | this very hard for me |
| 06:35.26 | butti | I cant install it :( sudo make whit error 1 |
| 06:44.14 | butti | do you know some another # for brl, I dnt want occupate and make you bored about my installation troubles |
| 06:54.05 | butti | installation done :) |
| 07:19.34 | butti | excuseme last time more |
| 07:19.40 | butti | There is no visible way to start the app, and no instructions. |
| 07:29.59 | poolio | you probably want mged :) |
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| 10:43.15 | Supaplex | poolio: sleep for me to |
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| 16:42.47 | butti_ | hello again |
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| 16:53.37 | butti | anybidy home on linux? |
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| 16:55.35 | louipc | yep |
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| 17:36.46 | butti | anybody home? |
| 17:37.09 | louipc | yep |
| 17:37.29 | butti | hello |
| 17:37.47 | louipc | what's up |
| 17:38.40 | butti | louipc: I would like to give you some .dxf file to control it, becouse some reason dosnt let me start brlcad after succesful installation |
| 17:39.16 | butti | and I must see if I need to fight with brlcad for this file |
| 17:40.16 | butti | should look like this:http://papernapkin.org/pastebin/view/12715 |
| 17:40.58 | louipc | cool |
| 17:41.02 | butti | http://papernapkin.org/pastebin/resources/wicket.Application/imageResource?imageEntryId=12716 |
| 17:42.00 | butti | sorry not this link |
| 17:42.38 | butti | http://papernapkin.org/pastebin/resources/wicket.Application/imageResource?imageEntryId=12689 |
| 17:42.50 | butti | but it looks like this above after export |
| 17:43.53 | louipc | that's what it looks like in brlcad? |
| 17:44.01 | butti | so if you dont mind, take my file to test it in brlcad |
| 17:44.20 | butti | no , this looks this way in qcad |
| 17:44.27 | louipc | oh |
| 17:44.36 | louipc | because qcad doesn't do 3D I think |
| 17:45.04 | butti | you mean thats why...sure this could be an explaining |
| 17:45.28 | louipc | I'd expect it'd work in brlcad |
| 17:45.29 | butti | my system cant fint mged or rt to start brlcad |
| 17:45.59 | butti | also any corresponding file to find: brlcad |
| 17:46.22 | butti | and I m really angry about that |
| 17:47.12 | louipc | brlcad is installed in /usr/brlcad by default so you need to add the corresponding directories to PATH, MANPATH, /etc/ld.so.cache etc |
| 17:47.23 | louipc | what distro are you using? |
| 17:47.24 | butti | sorry for my english, I never learn it, im very sorry |
| 17:47.30 | butti | feisty |
| 17:47.34 | louipc | no prob |
| 17:47.52 | butti | I have installed from source |
| 17:47.58 | louipc | hmm |
| 17:48.19 | louipc | no ubuntu pkgs eh? |
| 17:48.19 | butti | I saw in the web some guy has also this problem but no solution |
| 17:48.43 | butti | no , I compiled the packedge |
| 17:49.28 | louipc | well the first thing you can do is make sure all your paths are set correctly |
| 17:49.35 | butti | and after few times ...finally I've got clean installation |
| 17:49.57 | butti | how I can do that? |
| 17:51.22 | louipc | export PATH=$PATH:/usr/brlcad/bin; |
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| 17:51.35 | louipc | similarly with MANPATH |
| 17:51.59 | louipc | add the lib directory to /etc/ld.so.conf and run ldconfig |
| 17:52.36 | louipc | or you can use LD_LIBRARY_PATH temporarily |
| 17:56.59 | butti | /etc/ld.so.conf this is not a directory |
| 17:57.30 | butti | shoud I put there the path to ldconfig? |
| 17:57.49 | louipc | ld.so.conf is a file which you specify paths to libs |
| 17:58.09 | louipc | then you run ldconfig to update ld.so.cache |
| 17:58.58 | butti | in this case i should put there this path there? /sbin/ldconfig? |
| 17:59.13 | butti | do I understand it well? |
| 17:59.25 | louipc | you put the path in ld.so.conf |
| 17:59.44 | louipc | ldconfig will read ld.so.conf by default |
| 18:01.56 | butti | sorry I dont want to borring you but it would be very helpfull If you investigate one monet more for me. I have done it now and runed ldconfig |
| 18:02.14 | butti | what next? |
| 18:02.24 | louipc | did you set the paths? |
| 18:03.01 | butti | I put the path of ldconf to ld.so.conf |
| 18:03.19 | louipc | you also need to set PATH and MANPATH |
| 18:04.07 | louipc | you should probably do that in a script that runs when you start a new shell |
| 18:04.26 | louipc | that varies by distro (I don't know how ubuntu works) |
| 18:05.01 | butti | we will try...just tell me the code...Im not used to make a lot of stuff like that |
| 18:06.23 | louipc | well you'd usually have a directory in /etc/ that has a bunch of scripts that add paths to your shell environment |
| 18:06.57 | louipc | you'll have to find out how that's done in your distro |
| 18:07.11 | butti | what kind of scripts? |
| 18:07.23 | butti | sure it is in /etc |
| 18:07.25 | louipc | just to set variables |
| 18:08.07 | louipc | you might want to look into using a debian pkg as well |
| 18:08.30 | butti | of brl? |
| 18:08.35 | louipc | but I'm not sure what compatibility between debian and ubuntu is like |
| 18:08.46 | louipc | I don't use either distro |
| 18:08.57 | butti | what do you use? |
| 18:09.09 | louipc | butti: ask someone who is experienced in your distro on how to properly do these things |
| 18:09.12 | louipc | ;) |
| 18:09.17 | louipc | I use archlinux |
| 18:09.22 | butti | debian = ubuntu ist almost the same |
| 18:14.16 | butti | do you mean seting path like this f.e :set path=($HOME/bin /usr/sfw/bin /opt/sfw/bin /usr/local/bin /usr/ccs/bin \? |
| 18:14.26 | louipc | yes |
| 18:15.28 | butti | the problem still is that i dont know what paths brlcad needs |
| 18:15.45 | butti | or where theay are |
| 18:15.58 | louipc | default installation path is /usr/brlcad |
| 18:17.11 | butti | so this path I will set in those ld.so* for my home dir, do I understand that? |
| 18:19.16 | butti | set path=($HOME/bin /usr/brlcad? |
| 18:19.22 | louipc | well make sure it's there |
| 18:19.29 | butti | is it there |
| 18:19.31 | louipc | then you have to point to the bin dir |
| 18:19.36 | louipc | and the lib dir |
| 18:19.37 | louipc | etc |
| 18:19.41 | louipc | /usr/brlcad/bin |
| 18:19.45 | butti | ok |
| 18:21.50 | butti | probably all this: bin include lib man share |
| 18:21.55 | butti | ? |
| 18:22.06 | louipc | no you just need bin for PATH |
| 18:22.12 | louipc | lib for ld.so.conf |
| 18:22.16 | louipc | man for MANPATH |
| 18:36.41 | butti | excuseme, this is what I changed now: |
| 18:36.43 | butti | http://papernapkin.org/pastebin/view/12767 |
| 18:38.53 | louipc | hmm I don't think you want to do that |
| 18:39.20 | louipc | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:39.25 | louipc | that is what you want |
| 18:40.38 | louipc | and LD_LIBRARY_PATH is just for temporarily setting the library path |
| 18:40.39 | butti | you mean the syntax is wrong |
| 18:40.57 | louipc | butti: yes and you should really find out how these things are done in your distro |
| 18:41.09 | louipc | ask some ubuntu people that know :D |
| 18:41.24 | butti | yes Im tryind to find out wright now |
| 18:41.36 | butti | yes |
| 18:45.18 | poolio | Is Tcl require 8.5a6 hardcoded? |
| 18:47.48 | louipc | yeah I heard that there are changes in Tcl that mean it isn't backward compatible |
| 18:49.07 | poolio | ``Erik: bwahaha. I like your commit comment on a shitty line of code I had: "silly coder, this is C! you can't declare variables mid-scope" |
| 19:13.27 | butti | astro76: /msg louipc ps take atantion for me again |
| 19:13.43 | butti | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.49 | butti | shit |
| 19:20.13 | butti | louipc: could I talk to you again? |
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| 19:27.24 | butti | clock_: hello |
| 19:32.44 | clock_ | hi |
| 19:33.16 | butti | clock I me here to get some help, do you have a time for me? |
| 19:57.38 | brlcad | ciao butti |
| 19:59.30 | brlcad | butti: what's your question(s)? |
| 20:00.48 | butti | brlcad: I have incredable compllications with makin brlcad runing on feisty...and I dont know if my installation was correct becouse I didnt follow instuction very exactly....it something about setin PATHS |
| 20:00.49 | brlcad | poolio: tcl 8.5+ is listed in configure as a minimum as code modifications were needed to update from 8.4 to 8.5 -- if someone can confirm that it works with 8.4 without modification by simply adding the two extra lines to configure.ac, then it can be relaxed |
| 20:01.18 | butti | i made only ./configure make make install make benchmark and make clean ...thats all |
| 20:01.20 | brlcad | you should know how to set/change your PATH regardless of BRL-CAD .. that's pretty fundamental to using *nix :) |
| 20:01.31 | brlcad | did make && make install work? |
| 20:01.37 | butti | and thats about that |
| 20:01.45 | brlcad | i.e. did they complete successfully? |
| 20:01.48 | butti | yes.no errors at all |
| 20:01.59 | brlcad | then run "/usr/brlcad/bin/rt" |
| 20:02.05 | brlcad | does it give you an error or show a version |
| 20:02.40 | poolio | brlcad: do I really need 8.5a6? /usr/brlcad/lib/tcl8.5/init.tcl: version conflict for package "Tcl": have 8.5b1, need exactly 8.5a6 |
| 20:03.02 | butti | brlcad: may I put the output here? |
| 20:03.23 | butti | Compile-time debug symbols are available |
| 20:03.23 | butti | Running on fawn |
| 20:03.23 | butti | /usr/brlcad/bin/rt: MGED database not specified |
| 20:03.23 | butti | Usage: rt [options] model.g objects... |
| 20:03.23 | butti | Options: -s # Square grid size in pixels (default 512) -w # -n # Grid size width and height in pixels -V # View (pixel) aspect ratio (width/height) -a # Azimuth in deg -e # Elevation in deg -M Read matrix+cmds on stdin -N # NMG debug flags -o model.pix Output file, .pix format (default=fb) -x # librt debug flags |
| 20:03.39 | butti | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:03.41 | brlcad | poolio: ah, that's something stupid in the tcl init funcs -- tcl's init script version check is braindead |
| 20:04.17 | brlcad | butti: don't need to paste, just answer -- I know what the output is supposed to look like ;) |
| 20:04.38 | brlcad | okay, so it's installed and at least rt runs |
| 20:04.39 | butti | brlcad: sure , how I could forget it? :) |
| 20:05.21 | butti | brlcad: I wouldnt make you nervous if i didnt needs for my work |
| 20:05.37 | brlcad | you can and should set your PATH to include /usr/brlcad/bin but it's not necessary -- just prefix the commands with "/usr/brlcad/bin/" |
| 20:06.06 | brlcad | i happen to need it for my work too, so sounds good ;) |
| 20:06.31 | butti | brlcad: this is what i would like to do for me, I give you syntax for my system |
| 20:06.58 | butti | becouse Im not the persone which is hucking in the system :) |
| 20:07.03 | brlcad | so there are lots of commands in brl-cad, depends what you're trying to do .. I see in the log that you have a dxf .. did you already run dxf-g ? |
| 20:07.38 | butti | no i didnt |
| 20:07.56 | butti | this command isnt known |
| 20:08.09 | brlcad | because you never set your PATH |
| 20:08.26 | butti | PATH="${PATH}:/some/path:/adifferent/path" |
| 20:08.26 | brlcad | i'm not going to teach you how to set your PATH today, just run /usr/brlcad/bin/dxf-g |
| 20:08.46 | butti | I never set my Path, i need to do that onece and I get it |
| 20:08.57 | brlcad | forget the path for now |
| 20:09.06 | brlcad | just run /usr/brlcad/bin/dxf-g |
| 20:09.11 | poolio | brlcad: I changed the require line in init.tcl but It's stail failing with a version conflict... |
| 20:09.46 | brlcad | poolio: it's in a couple places iirc |
| 20:09.52 | brlcad | one is compiled into the library |
| 20:10.02 | poolio | arghh. |
| 20:10.48 | brlcad | so if you have a 8.4 init.tcl trying to load a 8.5 libtcl, it'll choke; if you have a 8.5 init.tcl set to allow 8.4+, it'll still choke |
| 20:10.56 | brlcad | it can be made to work |
| 20:11.04 | brlcad | involves chicken heads, and beads |
| 20:11.09 | butti | brlcad: Saving stack trace to unknown-17666-bomb.log |
| 20:11.37 | poolio | brlcad: they're both 8.5, just different ones |
| 20:11.38 | brlcad | butti: that's fine |
| 20:11.49 | brlcad | butti: I presume it showed you usage |
| 20:11.54 | butti | brlcad: should i read the log? |
| 20:12.05 | brlcad | no |
| 20:12.34 | butti | I need probably some gui if its prossible :) |
| 20:12.50 | poolio | butti: probably mged... |
| 20:13.54 | brlcad | butti: focus .. first task is running dxf-g to convert to brl-cad format |
| 20:14.32 | butti | brlcad: ok |
| 20:15.12 | brlcad | follow the usage and see if you can get the .g file |
| 20:15.40 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/src/conv/dxf-g.c: don't bomb on usage. bu_bomb is now only abnormal exit conditions. |
| 20:15.46 | brlcad | gah, now that I've stopped playing that game I was playing for 6 hours.. i suddenly realize just how freaking hungry I apparently am |
| 20:16.17 | butti | .g file it is a standart format for brlcad? |
| 20:23.42 | butti | there is any *.g file |
| 20:24.24 | brlcad | there are several .g examples installed |
| 20:24.43 | brlcad | /usr/brlcad/share/brlcad/VERSION/db/ |
| 20:25.10 | brlcad | .g == BRL-CAD "g"oemetry file format |
| 20:25.20 | brlcad | heh, 'g'eometry |
| 20:25.29 | butti | :) |
| 20:25.32 | butti | ok I see |
| 20:26.22 | brlcad | did you run dxf-g yet? |
| 20:26.51 | brlcad | and what is your goal? what are you trying to do? |
| 20:27.11 | brlcad | if you intend to be modelling, forget dxf-g -- you should be going through the tutorials that are available on the website first |
| 20:27.15 | butti | but I dontt see my file |
| 20:27.22 | brlcad | what file? |
| 20:27.41 | brlcad | i can't see it for you |
| 20:27.50 | butti | ok , I think I made something not necessery |
| 20:28.07 | brlcad | you're not giving me enough information to help you |
| 20:28.07 | butti | I made dxf on my dxf file |
| 20:28.16 | butti | dxf-g |
| 20:28.32 | butti | and then I was looking for myfile.g |
| 20:28.49 | brlcad | you mean, you made a .g on your .dxf file? |
| 20:28.58 | butti | yes |
| 20:29.45 | butti | like /usr/brlcad/*/dxf-g ond /my/file.. |
| 20:30.15 | brlcad | show me your exact line |
| 20:30.37 | butti | /usr/brlcad/bin/dxf-g /home/butti/Blender/Scenes/VM/TEST1.dxf |
| 20:30.49 | brlcad | is that all? |
| 20:30.55 | butti | yes |
| 20:31.01 | brlcad | then you didn't read the usage :) |
| 20:31.07 | brlcad | dxf-g [-c] [-d] [-v] [-t tolerance] [-s scale_factor] input_dxf_file output_file.g |
| 20:31.11 | butti | i didnt mea culpa |
| 20:31.16 | brlcad | input .. AND .. output |
| 20:31.29 | butti | ok, so stupid |
| 20:32.22 | butti | ok something happend |
| 20:33.08 | butti | I have the file |
| 20:36.12 | butti | Ive got it! |
| 20:36.17 | butti | thank you so much |
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| 20:40.30 | butti | brlcad: so still some trouble to see anything on screen but I think I must read now the tuts, or? |
| 20:41.32 | butti | Im wondering that this software is 20 years old |
| 20:41.34 | brlcad | that certainly shouldn't hurt |
| 20:41.59 | brlcad | it's a powerful package, but not easy to learn |
| 20:42.51 | brlcad | there isn't decent a shaded mode in mged, so you only get wireframe -- and for a model like a dxf that is going to import as a bunch of polygons, that's going to be a bit painful |
| 20:43.07 | brlcad | you'll need/want to raytrace it to see what it really looks like |
| 20:43.16 | butti | brlcad: it will be not hard...but takes time which I dont have realy...in 10 dayes <i must give my project away |
| 20:43.23 | brlcad | run 'rt' in mged to see what it looks like |
| 20:43.44 | butti | I nee only wireframes and measure that |
| 20:44.15 | butti | so that the people working on autocad can read it and counstuct the project |
| 20:44.20 | brlcad | mged only shows wireframe -- you have to ray-trace it to see shaded |
| 20:44.31 | butti | I dont need raytrace |
| 20:44.40 | butti | just wires |
| 20:44.55 | brlcad | then rtedge |
| 20:45.01 | butti | ok |
| 20:45.12 | brlcad | wireframe in mged is not the same as wire/sketch/diagram in autocad |
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| 20:45.24 | butti | inredable hacklike app |
| 20:46.22 | brlcad | mged's interface is painful |
| 20:46.32 | brlcad | it's eventually going away |
| 20:46.55 | butti | I get some errors |
| 20:46.55 | brlcad | but not for a long time, so long as the experts still need/use it and until there's a fully operational alternative |
| 20:47.09 | brlcad | "you're not giving me enough information to help you" |
| 20:47.14 | butti | brlcad: you are incradable |
| 20:47.25 | brlcad | hm? |
| 20:48.19 | Maloeran | Parse error on incradable |
| 20:48.44 | butti | sudo /usr/brlcad/bin/rt /home/butti/Blender/Scenes/VM/vm21.g |
| 20:48.56 | brlcad | you have to specify the object |
| 20:49.00 | butti | Compile-time debug symbols are available |
| 20:49.00 | butti | Running on fawn |
| 20:49.00 | butti | /usr/brlcad/bin/rt: no objects specified -- raytrace aborted |
| 20:49.08 | brlcad | no objects specified |
| 20:49.31 | brlcad | .g files are multigeometry, can contain many top-level models |
| 20:49.54 | brlcad | run this: /usr/brlcad/bin/mged -c ~/Blender/Scenes/VM/vm21.g tops |
| 20:50.01 | brlcad | what does it report? |
| 20:50.04 | butti | you mean I shloud put each object seperatly? |
| 20:50.24 | brlcad | no |
| 20:50.41 | brlcad | i mean a .g file isn't like a blender file that has "one" model .. it can have many |
| 20:50.46 | butti | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.01 | brlcad | huh? |
| 20:51.09 | brlcad | you ran "/usr/brlcad/bin/mged -c ~/Blender/Scenes/VM/vm21.g tops" and it said command not found?? |
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| 20:52.38 | butti | BRL-CAD Release 7.10.2 Geometry Editor (MGED) Thu Aug 16 16:30:38 EDT 2007, Compilation 1 morrison@sushi.local:/usr/brlcad |
| 20:52.41 | butti | attach (nu|X|ogl)[nu]? |
| 20:52.58 | butti | I made mistake sorry |
| 20:53.33 | butti | brlcad: do hack on this prog 20 years? |
| 20:53.45 | butti | you |
| 20:53.47 | brlcad | you've not even seen 1% of it |
| 20:54.08 | brlcad | no, I've only been involved for a little less than half that time |
| 20:54.11 | butti | jessus, i m shaking from fear |
| 20:54.48 | butti | brlcad: but Im learning fast, just not long time on linux |
| 20:55.29 | butti | I have learnd blender very quick *proud* |
| 20:55.49 | brlcad | that's quite an acheivement :) |
| 20:56.15 | brlcad | brl-cad's at least as hard to learn, if not harder ;) |
| 20:56.27 | poolio | brlcad: sushi? |
| 20:56.28 | brlcad | but once you learn it, the modelers are actually quite proficient |
| 20:56.34 | brlcad | poolio: yes please? |
| 20:56.54 | brlcad | you trying to make me hungry? :) |
| 20:57.03 | butti | brlcad: im sure about that but I need that, no way to running away from that |
| 20:57.21 | brlcad | butti: so you ran 'tops'? |
| 20:57.32 | brlcad | it should have given you an object name |
| 20:57.36 | butti | are you guyes from GMT1 zone? |
| 20:57.57 | butti | brlcad: yes I do |
| 20:58.28 | brlcad | type this in mged: rt -F/dev/Xl object_name |
| 20:58.45 | brlcad | (while looking at wireframe) |
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| 21:00.04 | brlcad | butti: GMT-4/5 |
| 21:00.17 | butti | uh |
| 21:00.23 | brlcad | poolio: what was the sushi? :) |
| 21:00.24 | butti | so feilure |
| 21:00.31 | butti | brlcad: /usr/brlcad/bin/rt -M -F/dev/Xl |
| 21:00.31 | butti | opendb vm21.dxf; |
| 21:00.31 | butti | tree /home/butti/Blender/Scenes/VM/vm21.g; |
| 21:00.31 | butti | rt: rt_dirbuild(vm21.dxf) failure |
| 21:00.33 | butti | Raytrace complete. |
| 21:00.36 | poolio | brlcad: one of your box's hostnames? |
| 21:00.42 | brlcad | oooh |
| 21:00.55 | brlcad | heh, yeah |
| 21:01.05 | butti | hi guyes you should go est something |
| 21:01.09 | poolio | brlcad: speaking of which... this sushi is quite tasty. |
| 21:01.12 | butti | eat |
| 21:01.50 | brlcad | butti: _inside_ mged |
| 21:01.59 | brlcad | "rt -F/dev/Xl object_name" |
| 21:02.13 | brlcad | outside of mged, it's a little different |
| 21:02.26 | brlcad | you don't need the path inside mged |
| 21:03.02 | butti | brlcad: I think I did it |
| 21:03.08 | butti | inside of mged |
| 21:03.28 | butti | brlcad: mged> /rt -F/dev/Xl vm21.dxf |
| 21:03.46 | butti | should i put all path? |
| 21:03.47 | brlcad | vm21.dxf is not an object name |
| 21:03.54 | brlcad | that's a file name |
| 21:04.09 | brlcad | and there shouldn't be a / in front of the rt |
| 21:04.35 | brlcad | i really did mean exactly "rt -F/dev/Xl object_name" .. just that you replace object_name with the name of a top-level object |
| 21:04.45 | brlcad | i.e. run "tops" to see your top-level objects |
| 21:05.12 | butti | ok |
| 21:05.29 | brlcad | poolio: then go saleing on a boat afterwards with your x61t to get more sushi? |
| 21:06.39 | poolio | eh. I'm waiting it out til oct. 26th. Problem is the x61t sale is over then...Also my damn current laptop works fine when it turns on...the issue is it doesnt always turn on |
| 21:07.19 | brlcad | fun |
| 21:11.01 | butti | brlcad: I ve got some command window open |
| 21:12.36 | butti | brlcad: and the main window has got a star-line wires |
| 21:16.44 | brlcad | which is why I'm trying really hard to get you to run "rt -F/dev/Xl object_name" |
| 21:17.05 | brlcad | tell me what tops says |
| 21:19.18 | butti | nothing |
| 21:19.32 | butti | I put it in The mged console |
| 21:19.42 | butti | nothing happend |
| 21:19.43 | brlcad | did you open vm21.g in mged yet? |
| 21:19.55 | butti | yes |
| 21:19.58 | butti | I did |
| 21:20.13 | butti | there was nothing to see just little point |
| 21:20.31 | brlcad | it doesn't show you anything by default....because it's multi-geometry |
| 21:20.49 | butti | I accept |
| 21:21.02 | starseeker | ? |
| 21:21.08 | brlcad | can you post the .g somewhere? |
| 21:21.08 | butti | :) |
| 21:21.43 | butti | I have no ftp entry anwhere |
| 21:21.53 | brlcad | ftp.brlcad.org |
| 21:21.57 | butti | I will try throug some service, 1 sec |
| 21:22.54 | brlcad | incoming dir |
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| 21:28.39 | butti | cant connect Iwill do something else |
| 21:59.30 | butti | did you eat something guyes? |
| 21:59.59 | louipc | some hotdogs |
| 22:00.10 | butti | finally i upload it to your ftp brlcad |
| 22:01.07 | butti | louipc: whit some hackmeet and onion? |
| 22:01.41 | louipc | with some ketchup |
| 22:01.45 | louipc | and bread |
| 22:03.15 | butti | my cats tell me, jumping on my keyboard: stop to watch this console |
| 22:05.23 | butti | brlcad: check incoming for .dxf after you eat some hotdog. |
| 22:06.34 | louipc | lol |
| 22:11.50 | butti | Im sitting already 18 h for the display |
| 22:12.03 | louipc | hm? |
| 22:12.26 | butti | um |
| 22:12.31 | butti | uhm |
| 22:14.17 | butti | louipc: are you developer of this comic app? or just a fanatic? |
| 22:14.28 | louipc | fanatic |
| 22:14.55 | louipc | I'm thinking about doing some development though |
| 22:15.17 | butti | which language it is writen? |
| 22:15.48 | louipc | C, Tcl, some C++ |
| 22:16.09 | butti | do you need brl for your work? |
| 22:17.31 | ``Erik | comic app? |
| 22:18.03 | louipc | butti: I need something like brlcad, but brlcad isn't quite up to spec for my work (yet?) |
| 22:19.08 | butti | I see, you are lost fanatic :) |
| 22:20.12 | butti | do you work in some design or architecture stuff? or maschines constucting? |
| 22:20.18 | louipc | indeed it's quit comical |
| 22:20.20 | louipc | machines |
| 22:22.56 | butti | do you know any women working with brl? |
| 22:24.34 | louipc | I've heard complaints about a 'wendy' haha maybe she does |
| 22:27.10 | ``Erik | why would it matter? |
| 22:27.17 | ``Erik | and, um, BRL doesn't exist anymore |
| 22:27.29 | ``Erik | it was twisted into ARL |
| 22:27.31 | ``Erik | a long time ago |
| 22:27.35 | poolio | alloo ``Erik |
| 22:27.42 | butti | :) ..there is no other way to make 3d drawings for free..Im very thankfull to find this comic app.. but I think the next project I will first draw in qcad and then export to blender. The problem with this order is, that you cant change anything if you get some idea to put a new chair into |
| 22:27.44 | ``Erik | '92 |
| 22:27.49 | ``Erik | oi, hoolio |
| 22:28.05 | louipc | shouldn't it be called arlcad now then? |
| 22:28.20 | ``Erik | no, shut up |
| 22:28.34 | ``Erik | if it were ARL-CAD, we'd have to make it suck goat balls |
| 22:28.42 | ``Erik | we still want it to be useful and worth something |
| 22:28.43 | ``Erik | :D |
| 22:28.44 | ``Erik | *duck* |
| 22:28.57 | louipc | ah |
| 22:29.19 | poolio | uh oh. |
| 22:29.27 | louipc | wendy's coming |
| 22:30.08 | poolio | ``Erik: that would mean brlcad wouldn't be brlcad. he'd be arlcad. haha. we have the power to change his name :) |
| 22:30.55 | louipc | yeah that might be a source of confusion |
| 22:31.02 | ``Erik | heh, I think he'd rather just keep 'tofu' :) |
| 22:31.11 | butti | poolio: you guyes are just intrested on hacking this app insted to draw |
| 22:31.24 | louipc | I'm interested in drawing |
| 22:33.02 | poolio | butti: This chat is primarily used by those who develop the software. Most of us program more than we model, but most of the devs have atleast some experience modelling. |
| 22:34.19 | butti | poolio: this is maybe not the best situation |
| 22:34.53 | louipc | I'd agree |
| 22:35.12 | brlcad | yeah, I'd revert back to one of my old names before going to arlcad |
| 22:35.23 | butti | i wouldn walk on your nervs, guyes, if i would find some another channel of brl-USERS |
| 22:35.25 | brlcad | heck, arrcad would be better |
| 22:35.27 | louipc | so brlcad needs more users |
| 22:35.31 | brlcad | speak-like-a-pirate-cad |
| 22:36.44 | ``Erik | arrrrrrb8 |
| 22:37.02 | starseeker | we'd have to model a sailing ship to be the new cad logo |
| 22:37.41 | ``Erik | hum, mal has a model of an old golden age frigate or something, he could hit the button and push out a png ;) |
| 22:37.47 | butti | notabe Im very suprised that amarican army using basicly linux for drawing |
| 22:38.02 | starseeker | ``Erik: really? That's cool! |
| 22:38.03 | butti | this is a country of windows |
| 22:38.11 | ``Erik | but the research lab has a slew of linux machines |
| 22:38.12 | butti | hehe |
| 22:38.12 | louipc | I think Malorean has a model of a frigate |
| 22:38.12 | starseeker | (the sailing ship, not lack of Linux) |
| 22:38.30 | ``Erik | brlcad and I both have 8 core mac pro's with gobs of memory and monitors |
| 22:38.39 | louipc | mac? |
| 22:38.40 | ``Erik | I log into a freebsd box for most of my compiling and testing |
| 22:38.53 | ``Erik | and I'm on a 17" powerbook right now *cough* O:-) |
| 22:39.02 | poolio | errrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 22:39.05 | butti | uh |
| 22:39.10 | louipc | butti: what country is that? |
| 22:39.38 | butti | louipc: make whois |
| 22:39.41 | ``Erik | heh, the hostname doesn't give it away? :D |
| 22:39.44 | louipc | I used to say that I'd get a mac but I think now I'd rather shoot myself in the foot |
| 22:39.55 | ``Erik | louipc: why? |
| 22:40.08 | ``Erik | a few tweaks, and it's reasonably similar to fbsd... |
| 22:40.20 | brlcad | butti: this is what I was trying to get you to do: http://my.brlcad.org/~sean/tmp/butti.png |
| 22:40.20 | louipc | it's a frankenstein OS |
| 22:40.20 | butti | louipc: DE |
| 22:40.28 | ``Erik | heh |
| 22:40.30 | louipc | ``Erik: I'd just use fbsd :P |
| 22:41.01 | starseeker | Macs have graphics to die for, so long as someone else is footing the bill... |
| 22:41.07 | butti | brlcad: shaded looks well but the wires, which i need are not usable |
| 22:41.07 | ``Erik | and linux is a paper mache monster created from a slew of 12yo's shooting spitwads, and windows is just... plain... evil... wrong... *shudder* |
| 22:41.16 | ``Erik | my 12" ibook was $700 |
| 22:41.50 | ``Erik | mac mini is pretty reasonable, just don't buy the monitor and memory from apple :) |
| 22:41.51 | starseeker | ``Erik: Heh. Well, for paper mache it does pretty well. |
| 22:42.12 | louipc | ``Erik: gimme a break linux is way better than that |
| 22:42.18 | butti | brlcad: i will do that now |
| 22:42.42 | poolio | brlcad: you got the $100 iPhone credit? |
| 22:42.43 | ``Erik | heh, not really... I kinda gave up on linux after too much kernel work around '98 or '99... gave fbsd a try and was floored by the awesomeness |
| 22:42.59 | brlcad | butti: yes, it shows all the polygon edges, that's what I was saying that mged's wireframe is a bit different |
| 22:43.02 | louipc | oh linux sucked until after 2002 |
| 22:43.05 | louipc | or so |
| 22:43.10 | brlcad | rtedge (picture in the bottom right) is closer |
| 22:43.11 | starseeker | ``Erik: $700 - cool. My complaint with Apple is not so much the machine price, but that Every Single App for it (that isn't a unix port) costs money. |
| 22:43.17 | brlcad | poolio: yeah |
| 22:43.18 | louipc | so I understand that I guess |
| 22:43.39 | louipc | yeah linux finally stuck on me when I started using gentoo |
| 22:43.59 | louipc | then I was sick of compiling every single app on my slow computer and I'm on archlinux now |
| 22:44.11 | starseeker | The beauty of Gentoo is that, in theory, you could swap out the kernel and keep right on truckin |
| 22:44.22 | brlcad | starseeker: huh? .. not all of them |
| 22:44.29 | brlcad | there are tons that are free, some ports, some not |
| 22:44.39 | starseeker | brlcad: Really? |
| 22:44.41 | brlcad | most of the really good ones actually aren't ports, but a few are |
| 22:44.46 | ``Erik | loui: I still have debian boxes, redhat boxes, have dorked with ubuntu and gentoo a little... the core suckage is still there :( eSPECIALLY on redhat breeds |
| 22:44.52 | brlcad | yeah, search through http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/ and versiontracker.com for starters |
| 22:45.04 | brlcad | (though the latter also does free/shareware) |
| 22:45.08 | starseeker | brlcad: Maybe there are more nowadays - I guess it's been a while since I did a MacOS freeware hunt |
| 22:45.35 | ``Erik | starseeker: the only app I've felt compelled to drop $'s on for my mac is 'world of dorkcraft'... otherwise, it's a shiny unix machine for me : |
| 22:46.03 | brlcad | it's just about any app you have on linux, every app on bsd, and maybe a third of the apps on windows (.. and of course the handful of mac-only) |
| 22:46.04 | starseeker | sweeet. |
| 22:46.14 | butti | brlcad: i still dont get the picture...but I see that i cant work with that how I nee |
| 22:46.16 | louipc | yeah I've never been enthused with debian or redhat |
| 22:46.32 | louipc | but if you dare - try archlinux it's quite different |
| 22:46.37 | starseeker | That's really cool. I guess my last major run-in with Macs was just before OSX became the big thing |
| 22:46.45 | ``Erik | a lot of my bigger problems are with the kernel proper. and redhat 'fixes' their kernel images to be far more fucked up |
| 22:46.55 | louipc | lol |
| 22:46.57 | starseeker | Nice to see it getting more friendly :) :) |
| 22:47.09 | starseeker | brlcad: Thanks for the heads up! |
| 22:47.14 | brlcad | butti: for what it's worth -- that model you have is exceptionally trivial -- it translates to CSG pretty directly and would not have all the lines like that if it were re-modeled in brl-cad |
| 22:47.34 | brlcad | butti: it has all of the lines because it's a dxf conversion and not modeled using primitives |
| 22:48.14 | starseeker | doggone it, now the next computer replacement cycle I'm going to have to look at a Mac... |
| 22:48.18 | butti | brlcad: but it create wires which are not exist in my model |
| 22:48.33 | brlcad | they do exist |
| 22:48.36 | butti | thats a point |
| 22:48.54 | brlcad | those are the edges to the polygons that make up the object |
| 22:49.08 | louipc | butti: you modeled in blender yeah? |
| 22:49.16 | brlcad | the only difference is that brl-cad shows them to you whereas something like blender will hide the internal edges |
| 22:49.20 | butti | louipc: yes |
| 22:49.31 | louipc | yeah even a flat square is made up of two triangles |
| 22:49.33 | brlcad | the edges are still there, even in blender |
| 22:49.46 | ``Erik | will turning on 'smoothing' in the bot "fix" it? |
| 22:49.48 | louipc | there's a function in blender which you can manipulate those |
| 22:49.53 | brlcad | nah |
| 22:49.55 | butti | brlcad: i can understand created wires on some round objects, but not on simpe primes |
| 22:50.10 | brlcad | it needs to be implicit prims if you want the mged wire to be minimal |
| 22:51.05 | brlcad | butti: how about the hidden-line rendering in the bottom right corner of that screenshot -- is that closer to what you are looking for? |
| 22:51.06 | butti | so you mean some vertics are not closed? |
| 22:51.09 | ``Erik | <-- only half paying attention... is it the wireframe display (*_plot) being discussed? |
| 22:51.30 | butti | brlcad: yes it is |
| 22:52.15 | brlcad | ``Erik: yeah, he's (understandly) not happy with the mged wireframe .. particularly that it doesn't hide the internel mesh edges (and probably would next want hidden-edge detection to hide those as well) |
| 22:52.40 | ``Erik | heh, it's that or seeing the cutters, too... heh |
| 22:52.42 | brlcad | butti: that's "rtedge" - you can run rtedge on any model as needed if visualization is your goal |
| 22:53.02 | brlcad | yeah, he's not even gotten to doing an csg yet |
| 22:53.19 | brlcad | butti: here's what it would look like with primitives: http://brlcad.org/images/mged.jpg |
| 22:53.22 | butti | brlcad: it is possible to work with is rightside image this way: change of high of some objects and measure the outside wires? |
| 22:53.42 | brlcad | and a more complex rtedge: http://brlcad.org/images/havoc_rtedge.png |
| 22:54.30 | brlcad | butti: that would be dimensioning .. and is pretty much a drafting requirement; brl-cad isn't strongly suited to drafting at the moment, but it's on the todo list |
| 22:54.32 | butti | brlcad: the first one is that what i would like to reach |
| 22:55.02 | butti | jessus, volks i will loos my work if if if |
| 22:55.26 | brlcad | butti: the first one is just modeling something simple using brl-cad directly |
| 22:55.31 | brlcad | not a dxf conversion |
| 22:55.50 | butti | I understand |
| 22:56.24 | starseeker | figures, I dove into Linux without looking back just when it started getting good... |
| 22:56.25 | brlcad | maybe give the tutorials a try on the main website: http://brlcad.org .. read the Documentation links 1, 2, and 3 |
| 22:56.26 | butti | brlcad: how is it with import .obj into brl? |
| 22:56.33 | brlcad | same problem, that's a mesh format |
| 22:56.39 | brlcad | brl-cad doesn't like meshes |
| 22:56.42 | louipc | oh I guess I would get a mac if I wanted to play games... or use some of that proprietary software that's out there |
| 22:57.24 | butti | ok |
| 22:57.38 | starseeker | louipc: For some of what I do (Axiom/Lisp) Linux is still the primary platform, but for things like presentations, documents, etc it's nice to have everything "just work" to save time |
| 22:57.47 | brlcad | you can view meshes (as you've seen), but they're a pain in the ass to work with and maintain solid geometry |
| 22:59.24 | poolio | ``Erik: heh, I tried that when I was trying to learn emacs/lisp and just ended up crying. |
| 22:59.36 | ``Erik | heh |
| 22:59.38 | butti | brlcad: I think you gave me very much informations which I know to use...So I think the next step for me is to draw the model from the beginning. this project is quit easy to draw as would be in original |
| 23:00.00 | ``Erik | <-- comfortable with scheme, but is a vim guy, so the twisted differences between scheme and common lisp, plus trying to learn emacs... is interesting :) |
| 23:00.00 | butti | brlcad: no cad prog likes meshes how I know |
| 23:00.02 | louipc | indeed! |
| 23:00.03 | butti | :( |
| 23:00.32 | starseeker | ``Erik: Where's sbcl running? |
| 23:00.53 | ``Erik | on my fbsd box, same as the emacs |
| 23:01.00 | poolio | ``Erik: you have taken the emacs learning path!? Coming from what? |
| 23:01.18 | starseeker | Ah :-) |
| 23:01.22 | ``Erik | vim |
| 23:01.33 | poolio | ``Erik: that's what I use now. Tell me how it goes please. |
| 23:01.43 | ``Erik | so far, not so impressive |
| 23:02.04 | starseeker | ``Erik: If your brain doesn't explode, you will have reached some kind of higher mental plane knowing both vim and Emacs ;-) |
| 23:02.13 | brlcad | butti: some of the commercial CAD systems with billions behind their development don't do too bad with meshes.. |
| 23:02.14 | ``Erik | the major arguments all kinda fall apart when ya get to 'em :/ but I'm sure the same goes for the other direction |
| 23:02.30 | brlcad | and if you have a billion dollars lying around, I'd be happy to make brl-cad work well with meshes |
| 23:02.35 | brlcad | just for you even |
| 23:02.38 | starseeker | hehe |
| 23:02.59 | poolio | brlcad: aren't you the generous one! |
| 23:03.03 | brlcad | i am! |
| 23:03.12 | poolio | Heh, we don't need that inflation |
| 23:03.28 | starseeker | (he might be actually - some tasks of that nature are HARD) |
| 23:03.35 | ``Erik | heh, did barnie explode? :D |
| 23:03.52 | starseeker | barnie? |
| 23:04.12 | ``Erik | yeah, y'know, big purple dinosaur |
| 23:04.16 | ``Erik | makes kids retarded |
| 23:04.17 | starseeker | we can only hope |
| 23:04.20 | butti | brlcad: how it ist whith measuring of objects? |
| 23:04.21 | brlcad | ``Erik: you're probably still pretty darn far away from any sort of efficiency |
| 23:04.54 | brlcad | especially if you still didn't see the diff between meta keybinding commands and modalities in vim |
| 23:04.59 | ``Erik | obviously, but I'm still working at it... *shrug* just noting that the big arguments emacs advocates put forwards... well, are bunk :) |
| 23:05.08 | brlcad | such as? |
| 23:05.17 | ``Erik | emacs is starting to seem kinda modal when I want the meta key *cough* |
| 23:05.22 | brlcad | modalities is really the only/pain difference |
| 23:06.24 | brlcad | vim is modal, emacs is non-modal during editing, quasi-modal (actual term for it) when invoking commands |
| 23:06.26 | ``Erik | and the buffers keep rearranging themselves and changing which ones are visible or hidden |
| 23:07.00 | ``Erik | hmmm, that means modal, dude :D *duck* |
| 23:07.07 | brlcad | it doesn't |
| 23:07.13 | brlcad | actually has a defined meaning |
| 23:07.26 | brlcad | quasimodal is very different from modal |
| 23:07.46 | brlcad | and still, only applies to actions being taken -- editing/use is still non-modal |
| 23:09.04 | ``Erik | the thing I trip up on most is having to use multiple keys or moving my hand to move the cursor, I miss the home row fast navigation... I suppose when my left pinky starts figuring out what to do, it'll get easier |
| 23:09.11 | brlcad | i'm not even arguing that it's better or worse, but it is definitely different in the impact and different type of modality interface |
| 23:09.29 | ``Erik | *shrug* but I'm still sticking with it |
| 23:09.43 | brlcad | yeah, that's just memory/familiarity - that part is no diff to vim really |
| 23:10.33 | ``Erik | "jjj^H^H^H<down><down><down>" hehehhe :D |
| 23:11.00 | brlcad | same goes for learning to manage your buffers, tweaking settings if auto-buffer arrangement isn't your style |
| 23:11.16 | brlcad | ctrl-n/p |
| 23:11.21 | brlcad | next/previous line |
| 23:11.30 | brlcad | just like console |
| 23:11.41 | ``Erik | <-- set -o vi |
| 23:11.48 | brlcad | yeah, that's nuts :) |
| 23:11.50 | ``Erik | later, butti :) |
| 23:11.57 | butti | bye |
| 23:11.58 | brlcad | cya butti |
| 23:12.53 | brlcad | poor guy, any job that depends on learning a new cad package (*any* new cad package) in under 10 days is nuts |
| 23:13.01 | brlcad | :) |
| 23:13.05 | ``Erik | ludicrous even |
| 23:13.31 | ``Erik | just remember to put on your seat belt if going to ludicrous speed |
| 23:26.29 | brlcad | butti: fyi, the units on your model are wrong, unless you intentionally modeled something about 20mm in size .. have to scale it up by about a factor of 1000 |
| 23:26.58 | brlcad | and it has several distinct objects intersecting that shouldn't |
| 23:37.06 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/BUGS: rtedge seems to get stuck in a loop at the end of rendering, has to be killed |
| 23:38.58 | ``Erik | um |
| 23:39.19 | ``Erik | under what circumstances? |
| 23:40.01 | brlcad | seems any rtedge I run |
| 23:40.16 | ``Erik | O.o 2 cpu? |
| 23:40.19 | brlcad | it gets to completion, sends everything to the framebuffer and then just hangs |
| 23:40.22 | brlcad | yeah, 2 |
| 23:40.30 | ``Erik | weird |
| 23:40.51 | brlcad | hm -P1 works |
| 23:42.26 | ``Erik | hum |
| 23:42.34 | ``Erik | or it might be related to the image saving in libbu |
| 23:42.38 | CIA-4 | BRL-CAD: 03brlcad * 10brlcad/BUGS: works with -P1 |
| 23:42.56 | ``Erik | I'll dork with it tomorrow, I'm watching dr who, then cartoons, then sleep |
| 23:42.58 | brlcad | rt is fine |
| 23:42.59 | ``Erik | :D |
| 23:43.15 | brlcad | and this is rendering to framebuffer, not file |
| 23:43.27 | ``Erik | hum, ok |
| 23:52.47 | brlcad | hm, perhaps a race condition on lastlinedone |
| 23:53.38 | brlcad | maybe just because the lines don't have to be in order |
